I had a consult with two surgeons.
Two facial surgeons have recommended lower facelift, mid facelift and brow lift. One insist that the lower eyelid has to be done in that combination because of the excess skin being pulled up and doesn't do mid face and brow lift w/o lower eyes. The other says the lower lids not necessary in that combination. I had lower lids done over 20 years ago and they aren't real bad. Does anyone have opinion on this situation?
Answer: Yes, Lower Bleph and Mid-facelifts are commonly combined, but There are Exceptions.
Hi 1554anon,
You stated the reason why mid-facelifts and lower eyelid surgery are often performed together, because of the potential for the lower eyelid skin bunching and causing more wrinkles under the eyes than prior to the mid-facelift.
Just because they are often performed together for good reason, ultimately each person's face is different and their past surgical history is also different. If a surgeon follows a cookie cutter approach to all faces, then there is a risk of performing unnecessary surgery and with each additional surgery additional risks apply.
If you smile, it is similar to a mid-facelift. When people smile the cheek rises and the lower eyelid skin can bunch and wrinkle. Not all mid-facelifts performed by different surgeons are equivalent. You are not buying a shirt at one GAP store, which would be the same at another GAP store. Instead each plastic surgeon is like a contractor. Depending on which one you choose, you can get very different results.
Some patients who have had bad lower eyelid surgery with ectropion, or lower eyelid malposition already have had too much lower eyelid skin removed. Some reconstructive eyelid plastic surgeons will perform a mid-facelift alone to help push the lower eyelid upwards to improve the post lower eyelid complications. I have seen one patient who had a lower eyelid and mid-facelift combination have a problem when she opens her mouth, the lower eyelid pulls away from her eyeball. When she doesn't have any facial expression, it looks fine, but obviously this is not natural, and for this patient the cosmetic improvement was not worth this post-operative problem.
If the mid-facelift is performed conservatively, and taking into consideration the fact you already had a lower eyelid surgery in the past, I can see why one of the surgeons did not recommend it.
In general, I am not a big fan of the mid-facelift procedure and prefer volume restoration of the transition area of the lower eyelid and upper cheek using either fat grafting or fillers, depending on the patient's age and facial aging issues, and preference for surgical versus non-surgical improvement.
I am also not a fan of aggressive browlifts either. I wrote an online article titled, "To Browlift or Not to Browlift that is the Question" explaining my thought process.
Be careful, do your research, and good luck on your plastic surgery journey!
Best,
Dr. Yang
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Answer: Yes, Lower Bleph and Mid-facelifts are commonly combined, but There are Exceptions.
Hi 1554anon,
You stated the reason why mid-facelifts and lower eyelid surgery are often performed together, because of the potential for the lower eyelid skin bunching and causing more wrinkles under the eyes than prior to the mid-facelift.
Just because they are often performed together for good reason, ultimately each person's face is different and their past surgical history is also different. If a surgeon follows a cookie cutter approach to all faces, then there is a risk of performing unnecessary surgery and with each additional surgery additional risks apply.
If you smile, it is similar to a mid-facelift. When people smile the cheek rises and the lower eyelid skin can bunch and wrinkle. Not all mid-facelifts performed by different surgeons are equivalent. You are not buying a shirt at one GAP store, which would be the same at another GAP store. Instead each plastic surgeon is like a contractor. Depending on which one you choose, you can get very different results.
Some patients who have had bad lower eyelid surgery with ectropion, or lower eyelid malposition already have had too much lower eyelid skin removed. Some reconstructive eyelid plastic surgeons will perform a mid-facelift alone to help push the lower eyelid upwards to improve the post lower eyelid complications. I have seen one patient who had a lower eyelid and mid-facelift combination have a problem when she opens her mouth, the lower eyelid pulls away from her eyeball. When she doesn't have any facial expression, it looks fine, but obviously this is not natural, and for this patient the cosmetic improvement was not worth this post-operative problem.
If the mid-facelift is performed conservatively, and taking into consideration the fact you already had a lower eyelid surgery in the past, I can see why one of the surgeons did not recommend it.
In general, I am not a big fan of the mid-facelift procedure and prefer volume restoration of the transition area of the lower eyelid and upper cheek using either fat grafting or fillers, depending on the patient's age and facial aging issues, and preference for surgical versus non-surgical improvement.
I am also not a fan of aggressive browlifts either. I wrote an online article titled, "To Browlift or Not to Browlift that is the Question" explaining my thought process.
Be careful, do your research, and good luck on your plastic surgery journey!
Best,
Dr. Yang
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July 27, 2012
Answer: Mid facelift and lower eyelid surgery
The issue with mid-face lifts and lower blepharoplasty is that at surgery the cheek lifting can cause some bunching of lower eyelid skin. The surgeon then removes this skin. The problem is the patient is lying down not standing and some of the cheek lifting is also lost after surgery. The end result then is too much lower eyelid skin was removed at surgery. You have to be very conservative with this type of surgical combination to avoid future problems. Without photos or a face to face examination it is impossible to say what would best in your case.
My response to your question/post does not represent formal medical advice or constitute a doctor patient relationship. You need to consult with i.e. personally see a board certified plastic surgeon in order to receive a formal evaluation and develop a doctor patient relationship.
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July 27, 2012
Answer: Mid facelift and lower eyelid surgery
The issue with mid-face lifts and lower blepharoplasty is that at surgery the cheek lifting can cause some bunching of lower eyelid skin. The surgeon then removes this skin. The problem is the patient is lying down not standing and some of the cheek lifting is also lost after surgery. The end result then is too much lower eyelid skin was removed at surgery. You have to be very conservative with this type of surgical combination to avoid future problems. Without photos or a face to face examination it is impossible to say what would best in your case.
My response to your question/post does not represent formal medical advice or constitute a doctor patient relationship. You need to consult with i.e. personally see a board certified plastic surgeon in order to receive a formal evaluation and develop a doctor patient relationship.
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July 26, 2012
Answer: Lower lids and midface lift
No, lower blepharoplasty is not ALWAYS indicated with midface surgery. However, it is true that the subperiosteal midface lift creates a powerful lift of the cheek and can create excess skin that needs to be addressed through lower blepharoplasty. Also, depending on the amount of excess lower lid fat that is present, blepharoplasty may or may not be indicated. If you've had a lower bleph in the past, chances are, no lower bleph or a minimal lower bleph is necessary.
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July 26, 2012
Answer: Lower lids and midface lift
No, lower blepharoplasty is not ALWAYS indicated with midface surgery. However, it is true that the subperiosteal midface lift creates a powerful lift of the cheek and can create excess skin that needs to be addressed through lower blepharoplasty. Also, depending on the amount of excess lower lid fat that is present, blepharoplasty may or may not be indicated. If you've had a lower bleph in the past, chances are, no lower bleph or a minimal lower bleph is necessary.
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July 26, 2012
Answer: Gosh, Sean is not the only surgeon who has been doing "SOOF lift with blepharoplasty."
1554Anon
Sean has contributed many articles on this subject. However, in his article, transconjunctival sub-orbicularis oculi fat (SOOF) pad lift blepharoplasty which appeared in the Archives of Facial Plastic Surgery in 2000, he stated: "The transconjunvtival suborbicularis oculi fat (SOOF) pad lift blepharoplasty is a new approach that I have used for more than 18 months in 64 patients." However, many surgeons have been working on these techniques really over the past 25 years. No one individual owns these methods.I do recommend getting additional opinions. Consider traveling to NYC for some consultations as well. A photograph would also be helpful. It is my opinion that mid face lifts have probably hurt more people than helped them. The lower eyelid is a humbling area to work on with many well meaning surgeons going awry. The important thing here is to find a surgeon who makes sense to you. Don't get hustled into more surgery than you need. Avoid surgeons who are cookie cutterish. Ask yourself if your consultation involved an examination. Did the surgeon actually touch and manipulate your face or was everything discussed over a desk. If you are not certain, that may be a sign that neither surgeon was your guy or gal.
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July 26, 2012
Answer: Gosh, Sean is not the only surgeon who has been doing "SOOF lift with blepharoplasty."
1554Anon
Sean has contributed many articles on this subject. However, in his article, transconjunctival sub-orbicularis oculi fat (SOOF) pad lift blepharoplasty which appeared in the Archives of Facial Plastic Surgery in 2000, he stated: "The transconjunvtival suborbicularis oculi fat (SOOF) pad lift blepharoplasty is a new approach that I have used for more than 18 months in 64 patients." However, many surgeons have been working on these techniques really over the past 25 years. No one individual owns these methods.I do recommend getting additional opinions. Consider traveling to NYC for some consultations as well. A photograph would also be helpful. It is my opinion that mid face lifts have probably hurt more people than helped them. The lower eyelid is a humbling area to work on with many well meaning surgeons going awry. The important thing here is to find a surgeon who makes sense to you. Don't get hustled into more surgery than you need. Avoid surgeons who are cookie cutterish. Ask yourself if your consultation involved an examination. Did the surgeon actually touch and manipulate your face or was everything discussed over a desk. If you are not certain, that may be a sign that neither surgeon was your guy or gal.
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July 26, 2012
Answer: Mid face lift
There is not one procedure that is applicable to all patients. The procedure needs to be customized to the individual patient. Without seeing pictures of you or examining you in person, it is impossible to give you specific or individualized advice. There are many different techniques for lifting the face, the mid face and addressing the lower eyelids.
Good luck.
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July 26, 2012
Answer: Mid face lift
There is not one procedure that is applicable to all patients. The procedure needs to be customized to the individual patient. Without seeing pictures of you or examining you in person, it is impossible to give you specific or individualized advice. There are many different techniques for lifting the face, the mid face and addressing the lower eyelids.
Good luck.
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