I have had frown lines treated with 40 units and had good and long-lasting results. Even 8 months later, it had not fully worn off. I went to another doctor and asked him to treat my frown lines, but it appears he injected my whole forehead. I can still frown, but can't lift my brows at all. I was told he used 75 units. It's really awful and now I'm afraid the higher dose means it will take even longer to wear off. When can I expect to at least start getting movement back?
Answer: Does Dosing Effect Duration of Dysport?
Very good quesion, but it is not clear why your forehead was dosed if you wanted the frown lines (glabella area) dosed. Lines that are horizontal are a result of forehead movement. Lines that are vertical between the brows are a different muscle group than the forehead. With that said, make certain that the practitioner understood your treatment goals.
In our experience and that of studies, dosing does have a direct correlation on duration. Underdosing not only affects outcomes, it may also shorten duration of those outcomes. Think of it as the treatment being able to get a good sprint but cannot finish the marathon.
Above all else, dosing should be based primarily on each patient's treatment goals and appropriate need at the time of treatment. With consistent treatments, one's needs should be less or duration extended.
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Answer: Does Dosing Effect Duration of Dysport?
Very good quesion, but it is not clear why your forehead was dosed if you wanted the frown lines (glabella area) dosed. Lines that are horizontal are a result of forehead movement. Lines that are vertical between the brows are a different muscle group than the forehead. With that said, make certain that the practitioner understood your treatment goals.
In our experience and that of studies, dosing does have a direct correlation on duration. Underdosing not only affects outcomes, it may also shorten duration of those outcomes. Think of it as the treatment being able to get a good sprint but cannot finish the marathon.
Above all else, dosing should be based primarily on each patient's treatment goals and appropriate need at the time of treatment. With consistent treatments, one's needs should be less or duration extended.
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June 28, 2011
Answer: Duration of Action of Dysport
The length of action of Botox and Dysport are not dependent on the dose. The dose only affects the effect. However the duration of effect will be the same regardless of dose. So, the Dysport should last about as long as it did the first time you had it injected.
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June 28, 2011
Answer: Duration of Action of Dysport
The length of action of Botox and Dysport are not dependent on the dose. The dose only affects the effect. However the duration of effect will be the same regardless of dose. So, the Dysport should last about as long as it did the first time you had it injected.
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June 23, 2011
Answer: Duration of Action of Botulinum Toxin type A
Dysport, like Botox Cosmetic, are both serotype A botulinum toxins, and both have a similar duration of action – typically 3-6 months with an average of about 4 months. Many patients who have been treated with both products say that the Dysport works a few days sooner then the Botox; but I have not seen any difference in the overall duration of action.
The recommended dose of Dysport for the treatment of glabellar frown lines is 50 units, the dose used in the FDA trials. This dose works well, but I have found that many patients have better results with 60 units. If 40 units works well for you there is no reason to change/increase the dose. And after a certain point, more toxin is not better, it’s just wasted.
The fact that you are happy with your results 8 months later is fantastic. Although, I would suggest that the Dysport has been completely metabolized and your continued results are related more to a modification of what muscles you are using for expression. Following treatment with a botulinum toxin, a few patients (subconsciously) modify their expression and use the treated muscles less.
Initially, some patients either don’t understand the difference or may be a bit vague in their description of what areas they want treated. If there is doubt I use a mirror to allow the patient to point to exactly what they are referring to. There is a definite anatomic difference between treating the ‘frown lines’ and the ‘forehead’, and what subsequently may happen to the eyebrow position. I, personally, like to achieve near complete inactivity of the glabellar muscles (frown lines), but I am lighter in my treatment of the frontalis muscle (forehead lines) because I don’t like to drop the eyebrow position (eyebrow ptosis). If your doctor used 75 units of Dysport to treat both your frown lines and transverse forehead lines, that might be an appropriate amount; but it sounds as if the distribution of its placement should have been different. If your doctor used 75 units of Dysport to treat just your forehead, I would consider that too large a dose for the majority of patients.
It appears the physician who treated you initially did a fine job, and perhaps you have already considered going back to him/her when you need treatment in the future. Best wishes
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June 23, 2011
Answer: Duration of Action of Botulinum Toxin type A
Dysport, like Botox Cosmetic, are both serotype A botulinum toxins, and both have a similar duration of action – typically 3-6 months with an average of about 4 months. Many patients who have been treated with both products say that the Dysport works a few days sooner then the Botox; but I have not seen any difference in the overall duration of action.
The recommended dose of Dysport for the treatment of glabellar frown lines is 50 units, the dose used in the FDA trials. This dose works well, but I have found that many patients have better results with 60 units. If 40 units works well for you there is no reason to change/increase the dose. And after a certain point, more toxin is not better, it’s just wasted.
The fact that you are happy with your results 8 months later is fantastic. Although, I would suggest that the Dysport has been completely metabolized and your continued results are related more to a modification of what muscles you are using for expression. Following treatment with a botulinum toxin, a few patients (subconsciously) modify their expression and use the treated muscles less.
Initially, some patients either don’t understand the difference or may be a bit vague in their description of what areas they want treated. If there is doubt I use a mirror to allow the patient to point to exactly what they are referring to. There is a definite anatomic difference between treating the ‘frown lines’ and the ‘forehead’, and what subsequently may happen to the eyebrow position. I, personally, like to achieve near complete inactivity of the glabellar muscles (frown lines), but I am lighter in my treatment of the frontalis muscle (forehead lines) because I don’t like to drop the eyebrow position (eyebrow ptosis). If your doctor used 75 units of Dysport to treat both your frown lines and transverse forehead lines, that might be an appropriate amount; but it sounds as if the distribution of its placement should have been different. If your doctor used 75 units of Dysport to treat just your forehead, I would consider that too large a dose for the majority of patients.
It appears the physician who treated you initially did a fine job, and perhaps you have already considered going back to him/her when you need treatment in the future. Best wishes
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June 23, 2011
Answer: Length of Dysport Effects
The recommended dosage of Dysport for glabellar (frown) lines is 50 units, which typically last four to four and a half months. Younger people can get longer results.
You don't list your age or how long after your treatment you noticed your results. The forehead is an off label use of Dysport, but 75 units is not an unreasonable amount. With this amount of Dysport,over your entire forehead you should expect similar duration as you had in your frown lines. If you had injections directly over your eye brows, you may be scowly for two to three weeks. I generally avoid injecting directly over the brows so they still have movement and look natural.
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June 23, 2011
Answer: Length of Dysport Effects
The recommended dosage of Dysport for glabellar (frown) lines is 50 units, which typically last four to four and a half months. Younger people can get longer results.
You don't list your age or how long after your treatment you noticed your results. The forehead is an off label use of Dysport, but 75 units is not an unreasonable amount. With this amount of Dysport,over your entire forehead you should expect similar duration as you had in your frown lines. If you had injections directly over your eye brows, you may be scowly for two to three weeks. I generally avoid injecting directly over the brows so they still have movement and look natural.
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Answer: Does the Amount of Dysport Affect How Long It Lasts? Yes, the amount of Dysport (abobotulinumtoxinA) administered can affect how long its effects last. Dysport is a type of botulinum toxin injection used for cosmetic purposes, such as reducing the appearance of facial wrinkles, including frown lines between the eyebrows.The longevity of Dysport's effects depends on various factors, including:1. Dosage: The amount of Dysport injected can influence both the intensity and duration of its effects. Higher doses may produce more pronounced effects but could also lead to a faster metabolism of the toxin by the body, potentially resulting in a shorter duration of action.2. Treatment Area: The specific area being treated with Dysport can impact how long the results last. For example, areas with stronger muscles or more dynamic movement may require higher doses and may see more rapid dissipation of the effects compared to areas with weaker muscles or less movement.3. Individual Metabolism: Each person's metabolism and response to botulinum toxin injections can vary. Factors such as metabolism rate, muscle activity, and overall health can influence how quickly the body breaks down and eliminates the toxin, affecting the duration of its effects.4. Injection Technique: The skill and technique of the injector can also play a role in the longevity of Dysport's effects. Proper placement and dosage are essential for achieving optimal results and prolonging the duration of the treatment.Overall, while the amount of Dysport administered can impact how long its effects last, it's essential to work closely with a skilled and experienced healthcare provider who can tailor the treatment to your specific needs and goals. They can determine the appropriate dosage and injection technique to achieve the desired results while maximizing the longevity of the treatment. Additionally, maintaining regular follow-up appointments for touch-up treatments as needed can help sustain the effects over time.
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Answer: Does the Amount of Dysport Affect How Long It Lasts? Yes, the amount of Dysport (abobotulinumtoxinA) administered can affect how long its effects last. Dysport is a type of botulinum toxin injection used for cosmetic purposes, such as reducing the appearance of facial wrinkles, including frown lines between the eyebrows.The longevity of Dysport's effects depends on various factors, including:1. Dosage: The amount of Dysport injected can influence both the intensity and duration of its effects. Higher doses may produce more pronounced effects but could also lead to a faster metabolism of the toxin by the body, potentially resulting in a shorter duration of action.2. Treatment Area: The specific area being treated with Dysport can impact how long the results last. For example, areas with stronger muscles or more dynamic movement may require higher doses and may see more rapid dissipation of the effects compared to areas with weaker muscles or less movement.3. Individual Metabolism: Each person's metabolism and response to botulinum toxin injections can vary. Factors such as metabolism rate, muscle activity, and overall health can influence how quickly the body breaks down and eliminates the toxin, affecting the duration of its effects.4. Injection Technique: The skill and technique of the injector can also play a role in the longevity of Dysport's effects. Proper placement and dosage are essential for achieving optimal results and prolonging the duration of the treatment.Overall, while the amount of Dysport administered can impact how long its effects last, it's essential to work closely with a skilled and experienced healthcare provider who can tailor the treatment to your specific needs and goals. They can determine the appropriate dosage and injection technique to achieve the desired results while maximizing the longevity of the treatment. Additionally, maintaining regular follow-up appointments for touch-up treatments as needed can help sustain the effects over time.
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