Lower lid hollow and rounded, would AlloDerm give good results? (photo)

I am in my late 60's and have hollows in my lower eyelids and some rounding due to a previous surgery that was done many years ago (the doctor has since retired). I am I’m interested to know: * Would AlloDerm (or similar) and fat transfer would give a good result. * Would an Oculoplastic surgeon do both Alloderm and Fat Transfer, or would I need to go a different doctor for each procedure?

Doctor Answers 7

Volume Loss in the Lower Eyelids

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The volume loss in your "tear trough" area is something that can usually be very well corrected with a tear-trough implant with or without fat re-positioning.  I agree that alloderm is a poor choice for volumizing this area. Fat injections may work, or they may also just dissolved a few months after surgery. 

The rounding issue is potentially far more complicated.  Only a proper exam can determine the best course of action.  Unfortunately, not all lower eyelid rounding can be corrected.  Sometimes a "lateral tarsal strip" procedure can address this, but often times that fails a few months after surgery.   A facelift or mid-face lift is often what is needed to take the weight of the cheek off of the lower lid.  Sometimes rounding is more than just the weight of the cheek, but rather a result of scar bands that form under the skin.  This might require palate grafts in addition to a mid-face lift.  This really is a question that has to be answered in a highly customized way to your specific case after a proper exam.

Austin Facial Plastic Surgeon
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Alloderm plus fat transfer for lower lid retraction

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An oculoplastic surgeon can definitely do both procedures, if needed. It is difficult to tell from your photo what you need since you are looking slightly up. If there is true lower lid retraction, then the option you discuss are valid.

Mehryar (Ray) Taban, MD, FACS
Beverly Hills Oculoplastic Surgeon
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You need to find a surgeon who actually specialized in the eyelid repair that you need.

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Alloderm is not an ideal product for what you need.  It is a very convenient product which makes it very tempting for surgeons to use a s spacer graft.  The problem with this product is that it does not persist.  Within a few months, the body has broken down all of the alloderm that is used in the eyelid.  For individuals who only needed the eyelid splinted, this is OK.  However you need more than splinting.  For this reason, hard palate graft is a much more appropriate material.  Regarding fat grafting, this is a very unpredictable treatment for a thin eyelid like yours.  An alternative option is to use a very subtle orbital rim implant of ePTFE and lift the cheek fat onto this implant.  My website has extensive information regarding this type of procedure.  

Kenneth D. Steinsapir, MD
Beverly Hills Oculoplastic Surgeon
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You have lower eyelid retraction that needs an oculofacial specialist. Alloderm & similar materials can be used in surgery

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I happen to be an oculofacial plastic surgeon practicing for about 20 years. I’m also boarded with facial cosmetic surgery as well as body, breast and extremity surgery. I do everything from head to toe including hair restoration. So with no limitations with my scope of surgical procedures, I can share with you the different things I’ve done to patients who come to with same problem as yours called lower eyelid retraction.

The lower eyelid has three essentials parts that helps its position: the lateral canthal tendon which is the attachment of a very important connection between the lower eyelid and the bone of the orbital rim; the internal support of the lower eyelid which are like pillars that support underneath the eyelid referred to as the posterior middle lamella; and the amount of skin available to physically move upward. A lot of people have come to us who had too much skin removed from their lower eyelid resulting in the combination of eyelid retraction, or a rotation of the eyelid away from the eye called ectropion.

When a patient comes to me, I’ll do an assessment to evaluate all of those factors. I assess if they have enough skin and if they have enough support in the lower eyelid. I also assess if their eye is projected outward and the strength and position of the lateral canthal tendon. These are all important factors in the dynamics and physics of the way the lower eyelid is positioned.

I have experience using posterior middle lamellar grafts such as hard palate mucosa and Alloderm, but what I have been doing in my practice for the past couple of years is using a material called Enduragen. Enduragen is a material derived from pig dermis. This doesn’t mean that Alloderm is not an acceptable choice - every surgeon has their own ideal way of combining their procedures and materials with what works with them.

Fat transfer can also be a good option. However, I don’t do fat transfer as part of my primary procedure which is to restore the anatomy. I would reposition the lower eyelid into its proper anatomical position. Lower eyelid position is very important for eye function such proper distribution of the tear film. A bowed eyelid cannot contribute to good ocular health. Since this is a more advanced and complex procedure and there’s grafting involved, there is a time frame for things to heal. After the eyelid has healed and is in proper position, then fat transfer is a possibility.

I also do adjuvant therapies such as the use of platelet-rich plasma and extracellular matrix for improvement of wound healing. This is a type of procedure that requires a lot of initial care after the surgery. At this point, it is best that you meet with several oculofacial plastic surgeons and get some opinions as to what will be their approach. After that, you can move forward with choosing one you are comfortable with. I hope that was helpful, I wish you the best of luck, and thank you for your question.

Amiya Prasad, MD
New York Oculoplastic Surgeon
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Lower lid hollow and rounded, would AlloDerm give good results?

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Why use a product of expense and possible risks vs a filler like Belotero Balance or fat grafts to attempt to improve this issue??

Open fat grafting is the best option for a hollow eyes and lower lid

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Thank you for your question.  I am unaware that AlloDerm has been studied as a graft material for hollowness of the lower eyelids.

Open fat grafting as described in the article link below is in excellent procedure for filling the Hollow area underneath the eyelid.

Personally I do not like tear trough implants as the complication rate in my experience is greater than using your own fat.

Hollow lower lids

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Hollowness in the lower lids is common with age or with removing excess fat from lower lid surgery. 

Fillers can help the deformity. I prefer to use a hyaluronic acid filler like juvederm, restylane, perlane or boletero. These fillers are more user friendly and can be molded after injection.

When done precisely, fillers can provide great satisfaction. The fillers seem to last longer in this location. (6 mths - 1 yr)

Overcorrection with fillers can lead to bumps and irregularities.

Best wishes

George C. Peck, Jr, MD
West Orange Plastic Surgeon
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