How to avoid the joker mouth? Is it random or can it be prevented?
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springrolll
- Houston, TX
- 11 months ago
I am scheduling my face lift in a few weeks and my big concern is avoiding the joker smirk. I see celebrities that have it as well as regular people. Four of my friends have had face lifts by the same board certified plastic surgeon and three look amazing while one has a disturbing joker grin. Is there a type of face that is more prone to ending up with this result? Is there away this can be avoided?
Doctor Answers 18
The Joker's Face deformity can be seen with two complications; an exaggerated traction pull on the corner of the mouth during the facelift or an injury to the Depressor Anguli Oris (DAO) the muscle which holds and stabilizes the corner of the mouth during dissection of the neck. When this happens the muscles responsible for lifting the corner of the mouth are unopposed and result the a grotesque Joker Smile.
I encoorage you to discuss it with your Plastic surgeon and hear what he has to say.
Dr. Peter A. Aldea
Memphis, TN
I encoorage you to discuss it with your Plastic surgeon and hear what he has to say.
Dr. Peter A. Aldea
Memphis, TN
The Joker's Face deformity can be seen with two complications; an exaggerated traction pull on the corner of the mouth during the facelift or an injury to the Depressor Anguli Oris (DAO) the muscle which holds and stabilizes the corner of the mouth during dissection of the neck. When this happens the muscles responsible for lifting the corner of the mouth are unopposed and result the a grotesque Joker Smile.
I encoorage you to discuss it with your Plastic surgeon and hear what he has to say.
Dr. Peter A. Aldea
Memphis, TN
I encoorage you to discuss it with your Plastic surgeon and hear what he has to say.
Dr. Peter A. Aldea
Memphis, TN
This should be avoidable by limiting the tightness of the suturing to achieve the lift and the preventing an overly upward vector of lift for any suturing which affects the corner of the mouth. With the deep plane lift there is excellent control of these variables and thes are some of the reasons I feel the deep plane lift achieves the best results.
Best wishes,
Dr. Donath
Best wishes,
Dr. Donath
Web reference: http://www.cincyfacialplastics.com/photo-gallery/luxe-lift-photos
This should be avoidable by limiting the tightness of the suturing to achieve the lift and the preventing an overly upward vector of lift for any suturing which affects the corner of the mouth. With the deep plane lift there is excellent control of these variables and thes are some of the reasons I feel the deep plane lift achieves the best results.
Best wishes,
Dr. Donath
Best wishes,
Dr. Donath
Learn more: http://www.cincyfacialplastics.com/photo-gallery/luxe-lift-photos
I'm familiar with the "joker face" result you describe. You can rest assured that modern approaches to facelift surgery are rather effective at avoiding this. In most cases, this look results from excessive pulling on the skin or the underlying muscles of the face. This causes the sides of the mouth to stretch to the point of looking unnatural or forced. The best way to avoid this is to choose a board-certified plastic surgeon with ample before-and-after photos to get a good sense of your potential results. Be sure to share your specific concerns with your surgeon for a better sense of how your particular procedure will avoid it.
Web reference: http://www.jrcs.com/plastic-surgery/facelift.cfm
I'm familiar with the "joker face" result you describe. You can rest assured that modern approaches to facelift surgery are rather effective at avoiding this. In most cases, this look results from excessive pulling on the skin or the underlying muscles of the face. This causes the sides of the mouth to stretch to the point of looking unnatural or forced. The best way to avoid this is to choose a board-certified plastic surgeon with ample before-and-after photos to get a good sense of your potential results. Be sure to share your specific concerns with your surgeon for a better sense of how your particular procedure will avoid it.
Learn more: http://www.jrcs.com/plastic-surgery/facelift.cfm
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Dear springrolll,
Most often this comes about when the deep layer (SMAS) is pulled too vigorously along the corner of the mouth. Although a goal of the facelift is to smooth the nasolabial folds (folds that run from the lateral nostril to the corner of the mouth) this is done with more traction on the skin rather than the deep layers. Most of the pull on the SMAS should be redirected so that it is primarily restoring the contour of the lower jawline.
I hope this has been helpful.
Robert D. Wilcox, MD
Most often this comes about when the deep layer (SMAS) is pulled too vigorously along the corner of the mouth. Although a goal of the facelift is to smooth the nasolabial folds (folds that run from the lateral nostril to the corner of the mouth) this is done with more traction on the skin rather than the deep layers. Most of the pull on the SMAS should be redirected so that it is primarily restoring the contour of the lower jawline.
I hope this has been helpful.
Robert D. Wilcox, MD
Dear springrolll,
Most often this comes about when the deep layer (SMAS) is pulled too vigorously along the corner of the mouth. Although a goal of the facelift is to smooth the nasolabial folds (folds that run from the lateral nostril to the corner of the mouth) this is done with more traction on the skin rather than the deep layers. Most of the pull on the SMAS should be redirected so that it is primarily restoring the contour of the lower jawline.
I hope this has been helpful.
Robert D. Wilcox, MD
Most often this comes about when the deep layer (SMAS) is pulled too vigorously along the corner of the mouth. Although a goal of the facelift is to smooth the nasolabial folds (folds that run from the lateral nostril to the corner of the mouth) this is done with more traction on the skin rather than the deep layers. Most of the pull on the SMAS should be redirected so that it is primarily restoring the contour of the lower jawline.
I hope this has been helpful.
Robert D. Wilcox, MD
Hi, I have performed facelifts for over 30 years and have performed many minimally, invasive type facelifts. Following the beauty principles outlined in my book on face and body beauty, women look the most feminine, youthful and attractive with heart shaped faces. Heart shaped faces have cheeks that are full and round in the front. Cheek augmentation with a dermal filler or using cheek implants for a permanent enhancement will create full, round cheeks that will feminize the entire face.
A weak chin creates an imbalance making the nose appear larger, the mid face top heavy and the lower face look short that de-emphasizes the lips and allows early formation of a double chin. Chin augmentation using a chin implant will add projection to the chin creating harmony and balance to the lower face. I have found that placement of a silastic chin implant, through a small curved incision under the chin (also allows excess skin removal) to be very safe, quick and highly effective.
If you have "jowls” these are sagging facial tissues and an indication for some form of a SMAS facelift. The underlying SMAS layer, of the face, must be dissected, lifted, trimmed and re-sutured (not merely folded or suspended with threads or sutures that will not last). The excess skin is then removed and the facelift incisions closed.
My most popular facelift is the minimally invasive, short incision facelift that has all the benefits of more invasive facelifts (traditional, mid-face, deep plane, cheek lift and subperiosteal facelifts) but with these added benefits:
Hope this helps.
A weak chin creates an imbalance making the nose appear larger, the mid face top heavy and the lower face look short that de-emphasizes the lips and allows early formation of a double chin. Chin augmentation using a chin implant will add projection to the chin creating harmony and balance to the lower face. I have found that placement of a silastic chin implant, through a small curved incision under the chin (also allows excess skin removal) to be very safe, quick and highly effective.
If you have "jowls” these are sagging facial tissues and an indication for some form of a SMAS facelift. The underlying SMAS layer, of the face, must be dissected, lifted, trimmed and re-sutured (not merely folded or suspended with threads or sutures that will not last). The excess skin is then removed and the facelift incisions closed.
My most popular facelift is the minimally invasive, short incision facelift that has all the benefits of more invasive facelifts (traditional, mid-face, deep plane, cheek lift and subperiosteal facelifts) but with these added benefits:
- very small incisions
- minimal tissue dissection = less bruising and swelling = rapid recovery
- can be performed in 90 minutes or less, with or without general anesthesia
- no incisions within the hair = no hair loss
- excess fat can be removed
- excess skin removed
- cheeks, chin and jaw line can be augmented with dermal fillers (I prefer Restylane Lyft) or facial implants
- most patients fly back home to parts all over the world in as little as 3 days post-op
Hope this helps.
Web reference: http://www.beverlyhills-plasticsurgery.com/facelift/#sub
Hi, I have performed facelifts for over 30 years and have performed many minimally, invasive type facelifts. Following the beauty principles outlined in my book on face and body beauty, women look the most feminine, youthful and attractive with heart shaped faces. Heart shaped faces have cheeks that are full and round in the front. Cheek augmentation with a dermal filler or using cheek implants for a permanent enhancement will create full, round cheeks that will feminize the entire face.
A weak chin creates an imbalance making the nose appear larger, the mid face top heavy and the lower face look short that de-emphasizes the lips and allows early formation of a double chin. Chin augmentation using a chin implant will add projection to the chin creating harmony and balance to the lower face. I have found that placement of a silastic chin implant, through a small curved incision under the chin (also allows excess skin removal) to be very safe, quick and highly effective.
If you have "jowls” these are sagging facial tissues and an indication for some form of a SMAS facelift. The underlying SMAS layer, of the face, must be dissected, lifted, trimmed and re-sutured (not merely folded or suspended with threads or sutures that will not last). The excess skin is then removed and the facelift incisions closed.
My most popular facelift is the minimally invasive, short incision facelift that has all the benefits of more invasive facelifts (traditional, mid-face, deep plane, cheek lift and subperiosteal facelifts) but with these added benefits:
Hope this helps.
A weak chin creates an imbalance making the nose appear larger, the mid face top heavy and the lower face look short that de-emphasizes the lips and allows early formation of a double chin. Chin augmentation using a chin implant will add projection to the chin creating harmony and balance to the lower face. I have found that placement of a silastic chin implant, through a small curved incision under the chin (also allows excess skin removal) to be very safe, quick and highly effective.
If you have "jowls” these are sagging facial tissues and an indication for some form of a SMAS facelift. The underlying SMAS layer, of the face, must be dissected, lifted, trimmed and re-sutured (not merely folded or suspended with threads or sutures that will not last). The excess skin is then removed and the facelift incisions closed.
My most popular facelift is the minimally invasive, short incision facelift that has all the benefits of more invasive facelifts (traditional, mid-face, deep plane, cheek lift and subperiosteal facelifts) but with these added benefits:
- very small incisions
- minimal tissue dissection = less bruising and swelling = rapid recovery
- can be performed in 90 minutes or less, with or without general anesthesia
- no incisions within the hair = no hair loss
- excess fat can be removed
- excess skin removed
- cheeks, chin and jaw line can be augmented with dermal fillers (I prefer Restylane Lyft) or facial implants
- most patients fly back home to parts all over the world in as little as 3 days post-op
Hope this helps.
Learn more: http://www.beverlyhills-plasticsurgery.com/facelift/#sub
Thank you for your question. There are multiple ways to perform a facelift. It is important to discuss with your surgeon the exact procedure that will be performed and the results that you should expect to receive. Best wishes.
Thank you for your question. There are multiple ways to perform a facelift. It is important to discuss with your surgeon the exact procedure that will be performed and the results that you should expect to receive. Best wishes.
Prevent over-pulling the underlying SMAS, avoid too much tension on the skin layer, delicate handling of facial soft tissue, respect for facial planes and nerves within the surgical plane, awareness of the vectors of pull on each side, use of surgical landmarks/markings on the face to ensure symmetry; these are some basic core knowledge of a competent facelift surgeon.
Prevent over-pulling the underlying SMAS, avoid too much tension on the skin layer, delicate handling of facial soft tissue, respect for facial planes and nerves within the surgical plane, awareness of the vectors of pull on each side, use of surgical landmarks/markings on the face to ensure symmetry; these are some basic core knowledge of a competent facelift surgeon.
Dear Springroll
Thank you for your question! The JOKER look is caused by pulling- whether its the skin or the SMAS or both.
The key is that the surgeon shape your face.
With Warm Regards
Trevor M Born MD
Thank you for your question! The JOKER look is caused by pulling- whether its the skin or the SMAS or both.
The key is that the surgeon shape your face.
With Warm Regards
Trevor M Born MD
Web reference: http://www.tmbcosmeticsurgery.com/face-procedures-toronto/face-neck-lift/
Dear Springroll
Thank you for your question! The JOKER look is caused by pulling- whether its the skin or the SMAS or both.
The key is that the surgeon shape your face.
With Warm Regards
Trevor M Born MD
Thank you for your question! The JOKER look is caused by pulling- whether its the skin or the SMAS or both.
The key is that the surgeon shape your face.
With Warm Regards
Trevor M Born MD
Learn more: http://www.tmbcosmeticsurgery.com/face-procedures-toronto/face-neck-lift/
Hello Springrolll,
The "Joker look" after a facelift is caused by too much pulling at the corner of the mouth. This can be avoided both by the vector or direction the sutures are placed for the lift and where they are placed. I'd recommend you consult with a facial plastic surgeon to go over your options and expected outcomes.
I hope this helps and good luck.
The "Joker look" after a facelift is caused by too much pulling at the corner of the mouth. This can be avoided both by the vector or direction the sutures are placed for the lift and where they are placed. I'd recommend you consult with a facial plastic surgeon to go over your options and expected outcomes.
I hope this helps and good luck.
Web reference: http://www.DrGuyFacialPlastics.com/face-lift
Hello Springrolll,
The "Joker look" after a facelift is caused by too much pulling at the corner of the mouth. This can be avoided both by the vector or direction the sutures are placed for the lift and where they are placed. I'd recommend you consult with a facial plastic surgeon to go over your options and expected outcomes.
I hope this helps and good luck.
The "Joker look" after a facelift is caused by too much pulling at the corner of the mouth. This can be avoided both by the vector or direction the sutures are placed for the lift and where they are placed. I'd recommend you consult with a facial plastic surgeon to go over your options and expected outcomes.
I hope this helps and good luck.
Learn more: http://www.DrGuyFacialPlastics.com/face-lift
Thank you for your question about facelift.
The most important determining factor in avoiding the "joker mouth" after a facelift is the angle or vector which the plastic surgeon pulls or suspends the face. Straight back can give the wind-swept look and straight up can give the suspended like a curtain look. Pulling on the corners of the mouth gives the joker mouth.
It is important that the plastic surgeon be atune to the subtle details in order to give you a natural look.
To be sure, see two or more experienced, board-certified Plastic Surgeons in your area for a complete evaluation to make sure you are a good candidate and that it is safe for you to have surgery.
I hope this helps.
The most important determining factor in avoiding the "joker mouth" after a facelift is the angle or vector which the plastic surgeon pulls or suspends the face. Straight back can give the wind-swept look and straight up can give the suspended like a curtain look. Pulling on the corners of the mouth gives the joker mouth.
It is important that the plastic surgeon be atune to the subtle details in order to give you a natural look.
To be sure, see two or more experienced, board-certified Plastic Surgeons in your area for a complete evaluation to make sure you are a good candidate and that it is safe for you to have surgery.
I hope this helps.
Web reference: http://www.drjjwendel.com/facelift
Thank you for your question about facelift.
The most important determining factor in avoiding the "joker mouth" after a facelift is the angle or vector which the plastic surgeon pulls or suspends the face. Straight back can give the wind-swept look and straight up can give the suspended like a curtain look. Pulling on the corners of the mouth gives the joker mouth.
It is important that the plastic surgeon be atune to the subtle details in order to give you a natural look.
To be sure, see two or more experienced, board-certified Plastic Surgeons in your area for a complete evaluation to make sure you are a good candidate and that it is safe for you to have surgery.
I hope this helps.
The most important determining factor in avoiding the "joker mouth" after a facelift is the angle or vector which the plastic surgeon pulls or suspends the face. Straight back can give the wind-swept look and straight up can give the suspended like a curtain look. Pulling on the corners of the mouth gives the joker mouth.
It is important that the plastic surgeon be atune to the subtle details in order to give you a natural look.
To be sure, see two or more experienced, board-certified Plastic Surgeons in your area for a complete evaluation to make sure you are a good candidate and that it is safe for you to have surgery.
I hope this helps.
Learn more: http://www.drjjwendel.com/facelift
These answers are for educational purposes and should not be relied upon as a substitute for medical advice you may receive from your physician. If you have a medical emergency, please call 911. These answers do not constitute or initiate a patient/doctor relationship.
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