Subcision - deep or superficial?

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Hi i have superficial acne scars. I am taking subcision.. i want to ask my doctor should deeply subcise my scars or superficially? How does one know weather to subcise deep or superficial? Thanks

Nelson Lee Novick, MD · Answer

I have been performing subcisions since 1994 for all kinds of problems, ranging from acne scars, chicken pox scars, surgical scars, tramautic scars and even cellulite. Each kind of problem requires different size needles and different depths (for deeper scars, usually more than one depth).  If your doctor is a board certified, aesthetic physician, he/she will be best for determining what needles to use for subcision and what depth(s) are necessary to get the job done and whether a biostimulatory filler should be added to the treatment. Best of luck.

Raffy Karamanoukian, MD, FACS · Answer

Our office has many different treatments for acne scars depending on the depth of atrophy or hypertrophy. Acne scars require a combination approach using our HIDEF protocol which uses a combination of lasers, topical scar modulation, and RF treatments to pixelate scars, improve contour, reduce hyperpigmentation, and improve the visibility of the scars so that they are no longer visible in ambient light. Everyone has a unique pattern of acne scarring and we employ our HIDEF technique to improve texture, color, contour, and topography. We often use a combination of treatments that begin with a careful examination to examine the micro texturing of the acne scars. Atrophic acne scars and indented acne scars can benefit from injectable fillers such as Radiesse, Sculptra, and Restylane with or without subcision to remove tethered scars and atrophic depression. Hyper-redness in scars can be been improved with V beam laser, Excel V, BBL, IPL, and Venus RF to improve the redness and reduce the visibility of deep scars. Fractional Thulium laser and clear & brilliant can also reduce the inflammation and redness of the scar when combined with topical therapy. Fractional laser such as Fraxel, erbium, and CO2 laser can be combined with radio frequency and also fractional RF to improve textual issues and microtopography. Subcision and TCA cross are also used for deep ice pick scars and narrow valley scars in order to improve the micro texture.  Above all, our combination approach with our clinical nurses and board-certified plastic surgeons can improve the quality of your skin by using at home Melarase creams combined with PRP treatments in our office to improve your skin quality and tone.

Subcision works well alone and in combination with other laser and RF platforms, including fillers and air subcision. TCA Cross can be combined with subcision. I recommend getting a formal evaluation with an experienced team of experts in order to reduce your acne scarring.

Finally, hyperpigmentation of scars can be improved with at-home Melarase AM, Melarase PM, and Melapads to help reduce active PIH and melanin deposition.

Best, 
Dr. Karamanoukian

Jason Emer, MD · Answer

This is difficult to answer without pictures and will vary due to the severity of the scarring. Keep in mind, a combination approach is needed to give the most improvement. Acne scars need a combination of lasers, microneedling/prp, subcision and fillers. It will take a series of treatments and may need some treatments to maintain. I recommend getting a formal evaluation with an acne scarring expert. Best, Dr. Emer

Sameer Bashey, MD · Answer

After a formal exam, the approximate depth of the scar can be evaluated. Then a deep or superficial method can be conducted. Usually it takes more than just subcision to improve an acne scar however.

Davin Lim, MBBS, FACD - Account Suspended · Answer

The feel of scars during the procedure will guide you dermatologist or plastic surgeon.

Subcsion was first reported in 1995. Since then this technique has taken many pathways. Most dermatologist and plastics still perform the old method- using sideways motion to break scars down. In the original papers this took 6-10 sessions using a needle. This still can be effective, but its OUTDATED. Since then other methods have evolved including-

The use of other size needles
The use of NOKOR or cutting needles
The use of cannula techniques

Of all these techniques, cannula stands out. The most recent paper this year shows that it has the best rate of scar breakdown with much less side effects than with NOKOR. Namely less bruising and ‘lumps’ from bleeding.

The results of subcision is extremely variable and will depend on the technique and experience of your Plastics or Dermatologist. Ensure they can perform all techniques competently. This is especially important with dermal fillers (or fat transfer). If one subcises a depressed scar and find it has NOT got significant tethering, a filler is needed. In this situation filler or fat is needed to elevate the scar. Subcision is my preferred method for scar revision, as I can feel how many scars I am breaking with my 3 level cannula technique. This is now considered the Gold Standard in subcsion as reviewed by peer papers. All other modalities including lasers, energy devices and peels are considered ‘instruments’ in the way I practice acne scar revision. Remember treat the scar type with a method, and you will achieve the desired outcomes. Subcsion releases and remodels acne scarring from underneath. Needless to say this just a method, the results you will achieve is 90% dependent on the skill sets of your Plastic surgeon or Dermatologist.

All the best, Dr Davin Lim

Acne Scar Specialist. Brisbane. Australia.

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Answer: The scar has to be evaluated and both deep and superficial can be done

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Answer: The scar has to be evaluated and both deep and superficial can be done

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