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Vitrase Dissolved Cheek Tissue - Portland, OR

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I was overfilled with Restylane under the eyes and...

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I was overfilled with Restylane under the eyes and went to another doctor -- Dr. Dailey -- to have it removed with Vitrase. I specifically asked him if there was any chance that the Vitrase would permanently dissolve my own tissue. He was emphatic in saying no. So I agreed to have him inject the Vitrase.
In the first month, some of the filler dissolved and some did not... More horribly, tissue in my cheek -- well below where the filler went, but where the Vitrase poured into -- began to dissolve! At two months, I went to see Dr. Dailey and showed him the outcome. There was a clear depression, surrounded by a less noticeable settling/depression of the tissue. At first, he feigned that he could see nothing, then conceded there was a depression but blamed the dissipated filler. When I reminded him that there was no filler in my cheek where the hole now stood, he said it was impossible for the Vitrase to be responsible, as he uses "gallons and gallons" of it in his eye surgery practice. He began to get up to leave the room, saying to come back in a few months. He added for good measure that I was "fine, look great... I have no idea why you're here."
For a sanity check, I went to a dermatologist who readily acknowledged the depression and increased redness of the area. She sent me to a new plastic surgeon, who saw me right away. He confirmed that Vitrase DOES in fact dissolve our body's natural HA along with the filler. In most people, the body quickly replaces it (matter of hours to days). However, in rare cases, the natural tissue never grows back or takes a very long time! Now I am left with an obvious indentation on my cheek with uncertain prospects that it'll ever fill back in. I'm mortified, and embarrassed, as this directly impacts my ability to earn income.
Dr. Dailey may well use "gallons and gallons" of Vitrase but he does his patients a profound disservice of 1) not warning them of the rare complication and 2) conducting some degree of testing on a patient's skin to make sure they are not one of the unlucky folks such as myself. Now that I am reading of other surgeons on RealSelf confirming this potential outcome, I am livid that Dr. Dailey was so dismissive of my initial question and subsequent follow up.

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July 24, 2016

Thank you for sharing your experience. I hope you find support here in the community.

July 24, 2016
It is always suggested that you go back to the original dermatologist who put the fillers in your face. They know exactly the placement of the filler and hopefully also you as a patient. That makes administering Vitrase more effective and less risky.
August 6, 2016
however, when you get a bad result from the original injector, no way do you want to go back to them. this happened to me and I will never go back to that person again.
July 25, 2016
Similar situation, had restylane under eyes one eye great the other not, had it dissolved, wish I would not.... It dissolved my own tissue in the under corner of my eye. It's been a year and I don't think it will come back. No one but me can tell but YES it does dissolve your own tissue. Wait it out.
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October 26, 2016
I had that happen to me. But my body restored the hyaluronic acid 3 weeks later. The hyaluronidase took some of my own natural hyaluronic acid on my inner cheekbone and created a grayish hued spot on the skin but it returned to normal color 3 weeks later. i wore concealer on it for a couple weeks till it returned.
December 21, 2016
I have had the same experience and now I have ruined my skin and my skin is saggy and crepey. May I ask if your skin has improved and if so what have you done?
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Surviving Hyaluronidase - The Good, Bad, and Very Ugly

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With temporary dermal fillers becoming more and more common, so too are poor outcomes -- from asymmetry to dangerous blood vessel compromise. Doctors using hyaluronic acid-based (HA) fillers (Restylane, Boltero, Perlane, Juvederm, etc) tell patients to rest easy, as they have a potent weapon to "erase" any of these bad outcomes: hyaluronidase (HYAL). The following gives an overview of this poorly understood HYAL drug, clarifying not just the benefits of using such but also the known and suspected devastating outcomes of using it. More importantly, my hope is that this overview will serve as a clearinghouse for patients who've had bad experiences with the drug and offer up ways to mitigate the damage it has caused.

Quick Backgrounder: When choosing a filler, you're also implicitly choosing a path to remove it. There are a multitude of reasons for having to remove filler, including benign (don't like the aesthetic look of the doctor's placement) to emergency (filler was accidentally injected into a blood vessel, resulting in near-term necrosis / death of tissue). There are other reasons too, like hypersensitivity reactions, development of nodules / granulomas, and biofilm infections. Lesson--> You should understand the risks of not only the HA dermal filler but HYAL too. Patients are rarely if ever told this by most doctors. Types of HYAL: Unfortunately, there's no clear standard for what you're likely to be injected with when it comes to HYAL. There are certainly three distinct groups from which HYAL is produced (mammalian, bacterial, and leeches/crustaceans/parasites), of which two well known brands have been mostly used (Vitrase and Hylenex). Lesson--> Ask your doctor which brand he/she plans to use and why. Dosage: Even with the well established drugs of Vitrase and Hylenex (both have been used for years in eye surgeries), there are no protocols for how much to use, whether to dilute it with other substances, etc when it comes to dermal fillers. Papers with NIH and PubMed show some HA compounds respond much faster to HYAL than others based on how they're chemically manufactured (degree of crosslink). Said differently, some HA fillers are designed to last longer by resisting degrading more than other fillers. Not surprisingly, they will thus take more HYAL to totally dissolve the product. For instance, studies show that Restylane dissolves the fastest and most complete when exposed to HYAL, while Boltero is one of the slowest and least complete. That would suggest, then, that Restylane would require less HYAL than Boltero, all things being equal. Yet most doctors have no idea that such medical study has been done on suggested dosing. Instead, most providers just inject HYAL at the same amounts regardless. Indeed, literature suggests that a "normal" dose is 150 IU of HYAL -- or 75 IU on each side of the face. Yet an injection of Restylane in the tear troughs, for instance, likely wouldn't need that amount; literature suggests no more than 75 IU total, or 37.5 IU on each side of the face. This has profound implications when considering the possible side effects related to HYAL injections... You want to inject as little of the drug as possible. --> Lesson: Ask your doctor if they are aware of the above and how much HYAL they'd inject if there were a problem. If you're not comfortable with their answer, go elsewhere. Complications - Allergic Reaction to HYAL: If you have an allergy to bee stings, you should never use HYAL, as you could have a death-enducing anaphylactic reaction. That also means you should never have HA fillers to begin with, as you must have a way to remove the filler before it's ever injected. Very few doctors ever tell patients this. Also, depending on the group of HYAL used (eg - mammalian, bacterial), you may also have an immune reaction and should thus never have HA fillers. Lesson--> Demand skin testing of both Vitrase and Hylenex before having filler placed to make sure you don't have allergic or immune reactions. Complications - Dissolving Native HA / Loss of Tissue: If you explore RealSelf, you'll see patients asking about whether HYAL can dissolve native HA. In other words, can HYAL melt away your healthy tissue and cause denting or skin damage? Many of the clinical answers on RealSelf will claim it cannot. Indeed, many well regarded doctors are both adamant and dismissive of any claims to the contrary. However, papers in NIH and PubMed make clear that they are wrong. In fact, HYAL absolutely does degrade your native HA (Pls search the internet for, "Complications of Injectable Fillers, Part I;" Aesthetic Surgery Journal, Volume 33, Issue 4, 1 May 2013, Pages 561-575; Dr. Claudio DeLorenzi). Indeed, the reason HYAL was manufactured in the first place was to assist in surgeries where doctors needed to separate skin / tissue to disperse other drugs more quickly. The question, then, is for how long HYAL will degrade natural HA, how much tissue is affected, and for what percentage of people who are injected with it? To answer these questions, a bit of background is helpful. Your body naturally makes HYAL enzymes every day, dissolving and rebuilding natural HA that's in your skin, joints, etc. Manufactured HYAL does much the same, but in superconcentrated formulas. In other words, HYALs -- both natural and manufactured -- degrade both natural HA and crosslinked HA dermal fillers. Obviously, that's why many people are attracted to HA dermal fillers... they're temporary, as the body (natural HYAL) will eventually break them down and new injections will be necessary after 6 - 18 months. NIH and PubMed papers make clear that Vitrase / Hylenex dissolve natural HA within seconds of exposure. Because of crosslinking, dermal fillers take longer than natural HA. In other words, whatever result you see within a few hours of injection is likely and almost exclusively your natural HA, not the dermal filler. Regardless, final results are seen within a day to two. The HA dermal filler obviously won't come back after a HYAL injection. But what about the natural HA that was dissolved along side the filler? What most doctors won't tell you is that medical science doesn't fully understand how the body creates its own HA and later remodels it with natural HYAL. (Pls see above source for further details. To quote from the text: "The biology of HA metabolism is far from being completely understood in animal models, let alone in humans.") Consequently, it stands to reason that manufactured HYAL could have unintentional damaging effects, depending on each body's unique process of naturally creating, destroying, and rebuilding HA. We know this to be true because Vitrase/Hylenex are both used off label for the dissolving of dermal fillers, meaning there are no known studies to clarify the risk these drugs pose for filler removal. Contrary to most doctors' advice, a lack of knowledge about risk does NOT equal no risk. This likely explains why, in so many reviews of Vitrase and Hylenex, you'll see some doctors use qualifying language when asked whether the HYAL drugs permanently destroy native HA. For example, "We don't believe..." or "It would be unusual," or "I've never heard of...". And it likely explains why a clear number of patients claim that they have, in fact, been damaged by the two drugs. In recent years, there is increasing concern in the medical community about the permanent impact of HYAL on native tissue. My private conversations with derms and PSs reveal carefully worded statements of, "I'm hearing more of this issue at conferences," or "I've not seen it at my practice but I'm frankly not surprised," or "Colleagues have claimed this but I don't think it's true." Their candid reactions are alarming as they are absent from feedback seen in places like RealSelf, leaving patients at some degree of risk. The Damage: Patients damaged by HYAL report 1) dents or hollowness (cavitation) even where no filler has been; 2) surrounding tissue that's soft or lacking firmness, with an ease of reaching bone underneath; 3) skin redness; 4) increased size of pores; 5) stratification of the epidermis (layers of the visible skin collapsing or peeling back); and 6) pain. Some of these effects may be caused by other things (eg - needle damage, scar tissue deep within the dermis, infection, etc), but a clear number of people are reporting these six complications to varying degrees. The Fix: This is where patients must help each other. Because medical science has rushed ahead with HA dermal fillers without fulling studying HYAL's effect on native HA, complications from using HYAL injections are usually dismissed by doctors. The result for patients is often frustration, anger, and despondency depending on the severity of HYAL's impact. In the comments section below, please offer your reflections on what might be helpful to address and fix the damage. Some solutions could include: --Supplements of hydrolyzed collagen, HA capsules, and anti-inflammatories (garlic, tumeric, etc). --Creams with human fibroblast conditioned media. --Anti-inflammatory doses of doxycyline (SDD 20mg 2xday; doxycycline monohydrate 40mg 1xday). --PRP injections. --Fat injections. Upshot: I would strongly encourage patients to avoid using fillers until the issues around HYAL is addressed. Instead, consider PRP injections or growing old with grace.

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February 11, 2018
Thank you for your very helpful analysis. I'm stuck with overfilled cheeks thanks to a 2 year old filler that isn't dissipating, and terrified of using hyaluronidase in case I make it worse. Every day is an effort. I wish I had never chosen to do fillers.
May 8, 2018
Same, except I had one round of hyaluronidase which I thought dissolved the filler, but there's gray discolouration left which I believe is from residual Restylane. 2.5 years and knowing more about hyaluronidase makes me wonder what the hell I'm going to do. One thing is for certain, all these doctors on Realself lie to their teeth about this enzyme.
May 26, 2018
I hear you. What filler did you use? Some fillers break down faster than others. And some won't dissolve at all, even after HYAL products like Vitrase.

If the filler you used can, in fact, be dissolved by HYAL, I'd work with the doctor to start with a very small amount (15-35 IU in each cheek) and wait a month between treatments to see how you're responding.
May 27, 2018
Thanks for the post. I cannot say whether hyaluronidase has damaged my own tissue because the ugly vollure is still there (at least 70%). I went for an mri last week and the radiologist (i went to see one of the rare radiologists who wrote literature on mri and filler detection) and he asked me whether i had gone south of the border. I did not of course (I went to one of the most expensive dermatology practices in San Diego). Upon quickly viewing my scan, he said I have a lot of filler still! He saw it just after glancing at it very quickly, he wasn’t even looking for anything yet. He showed me quickly and on scan it looked like white stuff. I am waiting for a report to be sent to the plastic surgeon i am planning on seeing to try to fix this abherration. I am considering excision if this Dr. is willing to do it. It has been one year and buckets of hyaluronidase have not worked. What i can tell you is that vycross is awful. Depending on location and individual response to hyal it may never go away. Most people report having correction several years later. You might as well get silicone because vycross linked ha causes lots of issues including inflammation, granulomas and it is impossible to dissolve completely. I also agree that within minutes hyaluronidase destroys your own hyaluronic acid. The area looks smaller for a few days. Within a week in my case most comes back (or the filler rehydrates) and so does the overfilled look. I believe some of my own volume got dissolved (not much considering the buckets of hyal i used then again who knows what i will look lime without the horrendous vollure) but not a crazy amount. Restylane, unlike vycross, dissolves immediately (i had a lump, w restylane once, it was dissolved in seconds, no damage whatsoever). I advise anyone never to use any vycross ha. It is too dangerous and it causes inflammation on everybody (even if you may not see it, it is still there and who knows what long term inflammation can cause). God forbid you get an infection, you wont be able to remove vycross ha completely and you will end up stuck with biofilm. Lastly granulomas, which are also caused by vycross (probably because of chronic inflammation) are not pretty. For these reasons many Dr’s i have consulted with have chosen not to use vycross products. All i can say is stay away from vycross ha and opt for restylane instead.
March 25, 2021
have you tried dissolving with ultrasound guidance ? i have the same issue with voluma and want to dissolve under ultrasound guidance
May 8, 2018
Great and educational post! Thank you! I'm thinking the most logical approach to HA loss (which would turn into collagen loss) is collagen induction therapy (microneedling). As you may know depressed scars are from a lack of collagen after a scar has healed. These scars can be improved with microneedling. But in these cases there is also scar tissue, which may prevent a dull recovery. Maybe microneedling could give a full recovery in the event of the depletion coming from hyaluronidase? One can only hope. But microneedling is the only way to improve depressions through collagen formation that I'm aware of.
May 26, 2018
I suspect that microneedling (w/ PRP or stem cells) might be helpful but the damage is often far deeper than what most needles can reach (1.5-2.0mm). The HYAL is usually injected deep into the dermis and spreads throughout the tissue. Microneedling can help with some surface scarring caused by HYAL but the volume loss (from collagen, etc) won't be addressed. That'll take fat transfer, a very tricky procedure that takes an incredibly skilled surgeon. Alternatively, it may be that stem cell injections from our own fat might be a solution to rebuild volume. But that's an early science with unknown or even frightening results (cancers, etc).

Bottom line: fillers are dangerous if they have to be removed, given the Wild West-like uncertainty of HYAL dissolvers like Vitrase. Maybe a person will be fine if they use a Vitrase product, but clearly a growing number of people are not. It's outrageous that doctors aren't informing their patients and suggesting other alternatives, like fat transfer.
September 1, 2018
But isn't your natural HA mostly located within your dermis? That's where the microneedling induces collagen production. That's the thing that perplexes me the most about people reporting volume loss after hyaluronidase injections, as what is described sounds more similar to fat loss than HA loss. There's no way hyaluronidase should affect your fat.

I have had two rounds of hyaluronidase, and while I haven't really experienced any negative effects, it hasn't helped resolve my problem either. I have had a discolouration from Restylane under my right eye for almost 3 years now. Microneedling helped reduce it by maybe 80%, but it has stopped improving, which is why I'm going in for more hyaluronidase suspecting it is still filler.

Are you still damaged from hyaluronidase 2 years ago??

I had hyalurondiase again 1 week ago and I've inspected my skin extremely closely and there are absolutely no changes so far.

I'm terrified of messing my face up even more, so I'm scared of doing more injections. At the same time this discolouration is driving me insane, and I want to get rid of it before looking into surgery.
June 4, 2018
Does Voluma fades away completely over time? I've read an article that it can become semi permanent depending on the area applied.
September 1, 2018
Every HA filler is semi permanent. The desired results may last 6-12 months, but the filler rarely completely dissolves, and if it is placed incorrectly you have no real other option than dissolving it if you ever want to get back to normal. It's the sad truth.
September 1, 2018
even dissolving will not work comp,etely depending on placement and/ or type of filler. I have bern trying with hyaluronidase for a year (Vollure) and is several areas it just won’t dissolve. MRI’s shows filler after an uncountable amount of hyaluronidase treatments. I am trying to find a dr who will liposuction it around the jawline / cheek hollow . My take is, just dissolve it bc it is not going to go away on its own...not in the foresseable future.
September 1, 2018
forgive me for the spelling mistakes. Typing from my cell phone
June 6, 2018
November 10, 2018
This was such a thought out informative post. I want to show this to my doctor and RN about this. They say they go to conferences, have used way more hyaluronidase in patients than I received (I received 28 units for .6 Voluma in one cheek and 15 units for .4 in other. The hyalurondiase was not Diluted, I presume this is why my cheek that received 28 units is a disaster and completely flat looking. It disgusts me. It’s been a couple months and I don’t see a difference. I find something looking worse every day I guess cause I’m really analyzing all angles. Just doesn’t look like me AT ALL. I’m devastated. Had I known there was a risk to my natural HA/collagen, I wouldn’t have gone past the 6 units we started with. What do I do at this point? Get more filler ? Prp? Just wait..... I just don’t know. I’m pretty young (31) so I thought my skin could naturally replenish and fill in on its own. Not knowing what will become of me is frightening.
November 11, 2018
I have found that you're better off just finding a good fat transfer surgeon. Anyone who's learned the basics of running a business knows why doctors love fillers so much. Returning customers and a predictable cash flow is the best thing for a business, and fillers provide just that - customers who have to keep returning, and once you've been filled and you're reallty satisfied there simply is no going back.

Another thing is that they overestimate how risk-free it is because it's "temporary" - I've had issues for 3 years and still going after a botched filler injection. This risk can happen EVERY. SINGLE. TIME you get an injection.

Fat transfer is a very specialised procedure that is very reliable when you go to the most experienced doctors who's whole practice revolves around it. It's your own fat so it's not like fillers which can migrate, become encapsulated in scar tissue and cause all kinds of long-term products as it IS a foreign substance injected underneath your skin.

Now doctors are trying to tell me that fillers are safer? Maybe in that doctors hands in particular, but comparing a fat transfer procedure with a highly skilled specialist to doing fillers every 6-9 months for several years, likely with different practitioners, nobody can tell me that after 10 years fillers is NOT more risky, seeing as you run the chance of complications with every single injection, and who knows what long-term effects it can cause. Filler is not temporary, it just disperses and partially dissolves untill you lose your result. Believe me, I still have product left after 3 years.
November 11, 2018
Also, fat transfer techniques have improved tremendously in recent years. The only problem with fat transfer has been the unpredictability from not knowing how much fat will survive. Today the best specialists are pushing consistently 70%+ and it's going to keep improving. Many predict that in a few years fillers will be completely obsolete as it won't be able to compete with fat transfers. Bad news for a lot of doctors who absolutely love fillers - good news for patients who want permanent results rather than a lifetime of filler injections.
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Over the past many years, I have tried more fixes than I can count. Mostly for volume loss, skin degradation (loose skin, wrinkling), redness, and pain. I've seen a wide swath of dermatologists, plastic surgeons, general docs, and neurologists. I've gotten an equally wide set of diagnosis, some admitting it was vitrase that caused the damage.
Treatments I've tried include:
1) Fat Grafting (for volume loss)
2) Excel V laser (for redness)
3) Peptide therapy (BPC-157 injections for pain and skin healing)
4) Multiple PRP / PRF injections (for volume and skin healing, esp subdermal)
5) Dermrollers with and without serums (for skin texture)
6) Assorted serums (w and w/out fibroblasts), incl copper-infused products to (for skin texture)
7) Hyperbaric treatments (for skin healing, esp subdermal)
8) Vitamin drips
9) Collagen powder and HA pills (general skin health)
10) Anti-inflammatory diet (general skin health)
11) Antibiotic treatments (for the possibility of rosacea)
12) Exercise with lots of sweat (for general skin health)
13) Resurfacing laser (for wrinkles and skin texture)
The result? The fat grafting helped for volume loss, though was not as effective in the areas badly damaged by hyaluronidase. Next, the Excel V helped for redness, though one treatment would have been better than the two I received. Finally, the general skin health stuff I suppose was marginally helpful. But the rest did absolutely nothing (#4-8, 11) while one (#13) made it temporarily worse and caused six months of effort to repair. The truth is that even the rest of it has returned me to normal. As you can see from the pictures, the skin is still damaged. Unfortunately, it's getting worse over time. And it just feels affected / damaged, especially the right cheek (which received the most hyaluronidase).
Bottom line: this damage is permanent. The best you can do is adjust your head to that fact and conceal as you can. The peptide therapy has helped with pain somewhat, so that's a blessing. But my upper cheeks are permanently damaged. For women, y'all might be able to conceal it with makeup. But not so for guys.
Such a foolish decision to trust my doc that vitrase wouldn't damage my native HA and dermis/sub-dermal tissue. It can and does, certainly for an undefined and unpredictable segment of people.
If I could turn back time, I would have left the filler alone and let it dissolve over time. Or used PRP to dissolve the filler, as smart doctors are now doing rather than using vitrase.
I wish everybody good luck and healing. This chemical is devastating. Until the medical community recognizing how dangerous hyaluronidase is and study different modalities to heal people, those of us who've been damaged are left to our own devices to suffer alone or in hope with others to find solutions.

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January 18, 2020
Hi, I'm sorry you have such a bad experience. You mentioned in your post using prp to disolve the filler. I've never heard of this. Is there any papers you know on this?
January 18, 2020
I don't know of any papers supporting this approach (PRP to dissolve filler) but some of the docs I'm met with say it works, and a few docs on RealSelf have discussed it.
February 24, 2020
Novaface, is unable to send direct messages for some reason ... I hope your seeing good results now , keep me posted
August 13, 2020
can you please share the docs who mentioned that PRP can be used to dissolve filler? I am interested to find out more. Thanks.
August 22, 2020
Sorry for the late reply. I know two that might be able to help. One is Midwest Health Center in Chicago on Division near Western. The other is Dr. Platis at Cosmedic Clinic in Chicago. Best wishes.
January 18, 2020
I'm desperate to find an alternative way to remove the filler considering all the bad reviews here. Couple with the fact there is emerging evidence from a doctor in Australia who uses mri that these fillers never disolve on there own! I feel completely stuck between a rock and a hard place.
January 18, 2020
Different fillers degrade at different times/speeds. Some of that is by design, some depending on your body and how quickly it breaks down / replaces natural HA. I would strongly encourage being patient to let your body do the work. Unless you have an immediate issue with necrosis (within minutes of the initial filler placement), I'd avoid vitrase/hyaluoronidase at all costs. Docs that I've met with (and some on RS) say PRP will also dissolve filler. Give that a try. Probably will take multiple treatments. If your concern is a granuloma, I'd encourage you work with a PS to have it removed vs injections of vitrase. Just not worth the potential for skin damage or spreading an infection (assuming the granuloma has an accompanying biofilm infection).
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January 19, 2020
Hi! Hyaluronidase is not a simple solution like doctors make it seem. I’m sorry for what you’ve been through but I want to tell you that from your pictures, your skin looks good! You are probably being harsh on yourself (I feel like we all judge ourselves on things that other people probably don’t even notice)
Question: Are the docs injecting the pro into the filler to break it up? Or Microneedling it over the area?
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January 19, 2020
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March 25, 2021
same situation, please tell me if you found any
January 18, 2020
thank you novaface for your update, even though your skin i can see what youre talking about your cheek shape looks good i really hope u are caoable of putting this more to the side than before, im not there yet..i want ro ask you how manh sessions of huperbaric chamber did u do? also have u tried stem cells? i know u have tried fat but i believe that was a few years ago, nowadays there are better techniques, ive seen another persons skin improve tremendously with this treatment, that seriously gives me hope..currently il trying copper peptide injections and cream
January 24, 2020
I did 15 hyperbaric treatments. As for stem cells, the therapy is just too early in its development for me to trust. There are no established protocols, much like with PRP. So folks can give it a try, but it's a wildly expensive option with no demonstrated efficacy and uncertain outcomes when considering the safety of stem cells. So... maybe it'll work, maybe it's a waste of money, or maybe you're introducing a whole new set of problems as the stem cells morph into whatever your body allows. Just not a gamble I'm willing to try, but I appreciate why people might.
January 24, 2020
hi novaface thank you for your answer, i was wondering if huperbaric had any effect..if i ever find any improvwment with any treatment ill let u kno :)
January 19, 2020
I am so sorry you had to go through this. I, too, am suffering from the use of fillers 4 years ago. However, reading the stories here about Hyaluronidase kept me away from it. I've just been living with my bad filler results, which has caused me a lot of distress and anxiety. I have even visited a therapist but I still find myself struggling to cope with it some days. It's been a long hard road and I completely understand how difficult your situation must be for you. In any case, acceptance and patience is really the only way to cope. I wish you well. Thank you for sharing your experience. Keeping you in my prayers and thoughts.
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January 19, 2020
Hello, I am sorry that you’re dealing this with. I too am dealing with stubborn tear trough filler that was overfilled. I had dissolved slowly in small amounts 4x but still have edema. I’m gonna let the rest dissolve on its own. I’m wondering what filler you had that is lasting 4 years?
February 11, 2020
Can you explain the edema ? Is it from the hyaluronidase or from a bit a filler still left? Is there a way to tell the difference and any treatment for the edema you have tried ?
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February 11, 2020
I honestly don’t know if it’s from trauma or filler left. I was told that they used more hyaluronidase than there was filler so there’s no way it can be filler. I’m not sure if there are just a few filler particles holding onto water (filler attracts more water as it breaks down), or lymphatic disruption that needs some time to heal. I’ve already had 4 rounds of dissolving to get rid of less than a full syringe (bc some was added to my lips) of Restalyne refyne. I had edema from day one of the injections and each round of dissolving helped to reduce it.. but I don’t want to go back for a 5th if the problem really is lymphatic disruption (it very well may be because before I dissolved, my upper lids even felt heavy and there was a twitch in one. That went away from dissolving). I’m thinking about getting a second opinion from an ocularplastic surgeon to see what they say. I wish I could tell the difference. I’m glad that my skin is recovering from my last round of dissolving a month & a half ago. I’m in the fence as to whether I should dissolve more, get refilled (I’m scared to get botched again), or let time take care of it.
February 13, 2020
Did a doctor tell you about the lymphatic disruption? I am just hoping this is temporary but it’s been over a year since the hyaluronidase. I did go to a oculoplastic surgeon last April and he acknowledged the damage from hyaluronidase and said the bags/swelling under the eyes was likely permanent and caused by the hyaluronidase. Obviously not what I wanted to hear. He said something about the fat pads being affected. He did put a small bit of filler in to fix the weird dents caused by the hyaluronidase and that helped but there’s still the edema issue under the eyes. I’m probably going to go get another opinion regarding the swelling. I’m hoping it’s just caused by some remaining filler that didn’t get dissolved. The filler wasn’t even placed in the tear trough, it was too high up on my cheeks and close to my eyes. It was voluma, which apparently causes a lot of water attraction
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February 14, 2020
I would say our issues are a little different bc you had Voluma. I’ve read that Voluma actually attracts less water than other fillers but it is very thick and takes more rounds of dissolving. I’ve also heard of Voluma creating edema under eyes. As for me, I’ve always been a little puffy under eyes and I think that the shmuck who injected my tear troughs was inexperienced and injected above the orbital bone making my puffiness worse. Dissolving has helped but now I’m not sure if there’s still filler left, if it’s just fluid or if it’s my eye bag that I’ve always had and maybe hylenex made my upper cheek more lax? I’m not sure. I’m going to see a new dermatologist who specializes in tear trough filler on Tuesday to see what he thinks. I just want his opinion on what can help my under eye area. I’m happy that the little bit of extra filler fixed your dents for you- although I’m sure they would repair over time.
March 11, 2020
August 23, 2020
I didn’t know that filler attracts more water as it dissolves. Is that right? That would explain why after almost a year it seems to just recently (this weekend) be getting slightly more puffy. I am scared to hope that the filler could be (finally) breaking down. She used regular Restalyne but I’ve since learned these fillers can hang around for years, especially under the eyes. It’s crazy that they don’t tell you this stuff upfront. What pisses me off most is that the filler was never supposed to be placed in the tear troughs in the first place. I had gone in for Botox and she suggested “a bit” of filler in the cheeks. And did it on the day. Big mistake. I, too, am wondering if there is a lymphatic drainage issue as a result. It does not seem like a little bit of filler could make my under eye area so puffy! Next is to look into having an MRI so I can see how much is left - and where.
May 13, 2021
Have you had any improvements? It seems as time goes by the puffy under eyes just gets worse. It’s intermittent- some days it looks normal and other times, most times it’s puffy. It seems to be affected food, crying, not enough sleep. Almost like a condition has developed because of the hyaluronidase. But this was never the case before. never had any kind of edema under eyes , not from anything ,before the hyaluronidase . It seems like one of the side effects of hyaluronidase is inflammation- so maybe it causes a permanent condition. But hoping it’s small particles of filler breaking down, if that happens.
January 20, 2020