Between these two treatments: profractional laser (low density, deep), vs Genius rf, which would be best? (Photo)

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Profractional laser VS genius rf? I’m skin type IV with mainly boxcar scars that that improve when I stretch my skin.

Raffy Karamanoukian, MD, FACS · Answer

Our office has many different treatments for scars depending on the depth of atrophy or hypertrophy. Scars require a combination approach using our HI DEF protocol which uses a combination of lasers, topical scar modulation, and RF treatments to pixelate scars, improve contour, reduce hyperpigmentation, and improve the visibility of the scars so that they are no longer visible in ambient light. Everyone has a unique pattern of scarring and we employ our HIDEF technique to improve texture, color, contour, and topography. We often use a combination of treatments that begin with a careful examination to examine the micro texturing of the acne scars. Atrophic scars and indented  scars can benefit from injectable fillers such as Radiesse, Sculptra, and Restylane with or without subcision to remove tethered scars and atrophic depression. Hyper-redness in scars can be improved with V beam laser, Excel V, BBL, IPL, and Venus RF to improve  the redness and reduce the visibility of deep scars. Fractional Thulium laser and clear & brilliant can also reduce the inflammation and redness of the scar when combined with topical therapy. Fractional lasers such as Fraxel, erbium, and CO2 laser can be combined with radio frequency and also fractional RF to improve textual issues and microtopography. Subcision and TCA cross are also used for deep ice pick scars and narrow valley scars in order to improve the micro texture.  Above all, our combination approach with our clinical nurses and board-certified plastic surgeons can improve the quality of your skin by using at home Melarase creams combined with PRP treatments in our office to improve your skin quality and tone. I recommend getting a formal evaluation with an experienced team of experts in order to reduce your scarring.
 
Finally, hyperpigmentation of scars can be improved with at-home Melarase AM, Melarase PM, and Melapads to help reduce active PIH and melanin deposition.

Best, 
Dr. Karamanoukian
Realself100 Surgeon

Nelson Lee Novick, MD · Answer

From the photo it appears that ice pick scars are the predominant scar type. The very fact that relatively expensive "bells and whistles"  fraxel laser and radiofrequency treatments with catchy names, rather than simpler, less expensive and proven treatments (like subcision and TCA CROSS, each with about a quarter of a century of proven safe and effective use) don't come readily to mind is testimony enough for the power of marketing and advertising hype to sway people's decision-making. Since your stretch test demonstrated smoothing of the scars, you would be wise to check out Field Subcision, and for any ice pick scars that still may stand out following this, TCA CROSS. I personally have dramatic before and after photos of a young person with bilateral facial ice pick scars treated with only Field Subcision with gratifying results. Make sure you consult with a board certified aesthetic physician and not just any local venue hawking this or that one-size-fits-all device du jour.  Best of luck.

Davin Lim, MBBS, FACD - Account Suspended · Answer

In truth, the primary solution is surgical subcision. Other devices including RF Microneedling & lasers come in a distant second. If your choices are limited to Profractional vs RF microneedling, both are appropriate as second line treatments. It then comes down to settings including power (Joules in the context of erbium), and density. The same applies for RFM however the depth can be controlled independently.

The ideal treatment for acne scars will depend on YOUR pattern of scarring. Do not approach scar revision with method in mind, but rather the opposite.

Treatment methods are employed to best address your scar pattern. For example, rolling scars are best treated with subcision, atrophic scars with fillers, pick-ice pick scars with TCA or Phenol CROSS/ Paint, box-scar scars with fractional laser/ modified TCA/ phenol chemical peels, hypertrophic scars with steroid injections/modulated fractional delivery.

Devices such as lasers, microneedling RF and bipolar radiofrequency are other methods to treat ‘general’ scar types. For example, devices can improve rolling-tethered scars as well as ‘deep - superficial scars’ such as broad ice-pick scars and broad box-car scars. Devices should be viewed as a method of scar revision, and rarely as a sole modality. Exceptions do apply- for example in patients with predominantly shallow/broad box-car scars and or superficial pits.

Another factor that will determine the ideal combination of treatment is the skin type of patients. Skin typing used to determine the ‘skin colour’ of patients. Darker skin patients will require modifications to treatment parameters. This includes a lower percentage of chemical peels, conservative protocols for lasers and energy devices and in some cases pre and post treatment of skin to reduce but not eliminate the chances of PIH- post inflammatory hyperpigmentation- skin darkening.

The very first step in scar revision is to accurately determine the subset of scars you have. This is best done with a real time examination. Factors such as animation (rather than static photographs) are frequently used to determine the amount of ‘deep scarring’ /anchored scars or tethering. Palpation or touch is also extremely important to determine the presence of dermal and subdermal fibrosis. Scars that have altered ‘texture’ either hard or soft (atrophy) are more challenging to treat compared to scars with ‘normal’ texture. In some cases the use of angled lighting can be employed to accurately map scar types.

My answers given in the context of this question is a general plan given the limited information. For an accurate guide, one has to take into consideration factors such as animation, touch, feel, real time examination and most importantly subjective measures, namely patient expectations. A real time consultation with a procedural dermatologist or plastic surgeon is required for the best accuracy- diagnosis.

All the best, 
Dr Davin S. Lim
Dermatologist. Brisbane
Australia.

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