Early 20s, just got off of Accutane.My dermatologist has confirmed nearly all my scars are tethered and would need subcision. Would subcision level the scars completely? And how effective would RF Microneedling (Genius) be after subcision? Thanks.
March 6, 2021
Answer: Combine Subscision with Energy Based Device and Maybe Fill Scarring like yours will improve with subscision, to release the deeper tethers, but will still need a laser/RF to improve the surface and medium level scars. I would favour a combination of subcision and fractional CO2 resurfacing, but with preparation due to your darker skin type. There is more downtime, but significantly greater results than applying deeper energy with RF needling. Having said that, RF needling is a good option if you have less downtime, or are looking at a less invasive treatment option, but will require more sessions of treatment. Seek an experienced practitioner. Best wishes Dr Shobhan Manoharan
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March 6, 2021
Answer: Combine Subscision with Energy Based Device and Maybe Fill Scarring like yours will improve with subscision, to release the deeper tethers, but will still need a laser/RF to improve the surface and medium level scars. I would favour a combination of subcision and fractional CO2 resurfacing, but with preparation due to your darker skin type. There is more downtime, but significantly greater results than applying deeper energy with RF needling. Having said that, RF needling is a good option if you have less downtime, or are looking at a less invasive treatment option, but will require more sessions of treatment. Seek an experienced practitioner. Best wishes Dr Shobhan Manoharan
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March 19, 2021
Answer: Subcision and treatment outcomes Firstly, subcision would NOT level your scars completely. You do have significant atrophy, ideally (and likely) filler required to reduce the atrophic changes. Secondly, RFM with Genius is an option as an adjunctive treatment. Time line for your type of scarring is approximately 6-12 months depending on your immune responses. (Ideally subcision is the PRIMARY modality, ideally modified cannulas in 2-3 treatment levels) The ideal treatment for acne scars will depend on the morphology of individual scars. For example, rolling scars are best treated with subcision, atrophic scars with fillers, pick-ice pick scars with TCA or Phenol CROSS/ Paint, box-scar scars with fractional laser/ modified TCA/ phenol chemical peels, hypertrophic scars with steroid injections/modulated fractional delivery. Energy devices such as lasers, microneedling RF and bipolar radiofrequency are other methods to treat ‘general’ scar types. For example devices can improve rolling-tethered scars as well as ‘deep - superficial scars’ such as broad ice-pick scars and broad box-car scars. Devices should be viewed as a method of scar revision, and rarely as a sole modality. Exceptions do apply- for example in patients with predominantly shallow/broad box-car scars and or superficial pits. Another factor that will determine the ideal combination of treatment is the skin type of patients. Skin typing used to determine the ‘skin colour’ of patients. Darker skin patients will require modifications to treatment parameters. This includes a lower percentage of chemical peels, conservative protocols for lasers and energy devices and in some cases pre and post treatment of skin to reduce but not eliminate the chances of PIH- post inflammatory hyperpigmentation- skin darkening. The very first step in scar revision is to accurately determine the subset of scars you have. This is best done with a real time examination. Factors such as animation (rather than static photographs) are frequently used to determine the amount of ‘deep scarring’ /anchored scars or tethering. Palpation or touch is also extremely important to determine the presence of dermal and subdermal fibrosis. Scars that have altered ‘texture’ either hard or soft (atrophy) are more challenging to treat compared to scars with ‘normal’ texture. In some cases the use of angled lighting can be employed to accurately map scar types. My answers given in the context of this question is a general plan given the limited information. For an accurate guide, one has to take into consideration factors such as animation, touch, feel, real time examination and most importantly subjective measures, namely patient expectations. A real time consult with a procedural dermatologist or plastic surgeon is required for the best accuracy- diagnosis. All the best, Dr Davin S. Lim, Dermatologist. Brisbane. Australia.
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March 19, 2021
Answer: Subcision and treatment outcomes Firstly, subcision would NOT level your scars completely. You do have significant atrophy, ideally (and likely) filler required to reduce the atrophic changes. Secondly, RFM with Genius is an option as an adjunctive treatment. Time line for your type of scarring is approximately 6-12 months depending on your immune responses. (Ideally subcision is the PRIMARY modality, ideally modified cannulas in 2-3 treatment levels) The ideal treatment for acne scars will depend on the morphology of individual scars. For example, rolling scars are best treated with subcision, atrophic scars with fillers, pick-ice pick scars with TCA or Phenol CROSS/ Paint, box-scar scars with fractional laser/ modified TCA/ phenol chemical peels, hypertrophic scars with steroid injections/modulated fractional delivery. Energy devices such as lasers, microneedling RF and bipolar radiofrequency are other methods to treat ‘general’ scar types. For example devices can improve rolling-tethered scars as well as ‘deep - superficial scars’ such as broad ice-pick scars and broad box-car scars. Devices should be viewed as a method of scar revision, and rarely as a sole modality. Exceptions do apply- for example in patients with predominantly shallow/broad box-car scars and or superficial pits. Another factor that will determine the ideal combination of treatment is the skin type of patients. Skin typing used to determine the ‘skin colour’ of patients. Darker skin patients will require modifications to treatment parameters. This includes a lower percentage of chemical peels, conservative protocols for lasers and energy devices and in some cases pre and post treatment of skin to reduce but not eliminate the chances of PIH- post inflammatory hyperpigmentation- skin darkening. The very first step in scar revision is to accurately determine the subset of scars you have. This is best done with a real time examination. Factors such as animation (rather than static photographs) are frequently used to determine the amount of ‘deep scarring’ /anchored scars or tethering. Palpation or touch is also extremely important to determine the presence of dermal and subdermal fibrosis. Scars that have altered ‘texture’ either hard or soft (atrophy) are more challenging to treat compared to scars with ‘normal’ texture. In some cases the use of angled lighting can be employed to accurately map scar types. My answers given in the context of this question is a general plan given the limited information. For an accurate guide, one has to take into consideration factors such as animation, touch, feel, real time examination and most importantly subjective measures, namely patient expectations. A real time consult with a procedural dermatologist or plastic surgeon is required for the best accuracy- diagnosis. All the best, Dr Davin S. Lim, Dermatologist. Brisbane. Australia.
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