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Revision FFS With Dr Bart Van de Ven
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Revision FFS With Dr Bart Van de Ven
DaisyChainsawOctober 13, 2020
I first had full FFS in 2008 with a well known surgeon in Thailand. I had a lot of swelling but could see there were early signs of asymmetry and boney lumps. As the swelling subsided over the next 6 months my fears were confirmed, I had uneven orbital rims with stoney bone lumps that gave an unnatural finish and a completely unsymmetrical jaw line on either side. The icing on the cake however was the bruising or stretching to the mandibular nerve which left me with awkward mouth and chin movement ,causing me to bite my lower lip, distortion to my smile and even speech. This took me over three years to re-master a new way of smiling and laughing so naturally I was very hesitant about going back or having anymore surgery.
8 years later I revisited my surgeon and after my consultation I didn't feel comfortable with having any corrections and decided to look a little closer to home. I recalled meeting Dr Bart Van de Ven and researching him I felt him more than adequate to be an expert in bone work and arranged a consultation with him in late 2016. At the meeting I explained my concerns and what I hoped to achieve.1) The bone lumps removed from around my orbital rims WITHOUT CHANGING THE LOOK OF MY EYE SHAPE. This was very important to me. I have ( had) nicely defined and youthful eye shape. I just wanted the lumps taken off. 2) Have my uneven jawline balanced out.3) Correction of my witches chin. Dr Bart felt confident not only could he do this but also suggested the following :- 1) brow/forehead type 1 revision. 2) Hairline lowering 3)Temple lift ( my concern of drooping eyelids after bone removal ) 4) Nasal medpor implants 5) Revision Rhinoplasty ( He didn't like my nose and advised I'd have a much better profile result ) 6) Cream to fade my facial skin pigmentations.He sent me two separate simulations and two surgery proposals, one with the rhinoplasty and one without. I must admit that the profile simulation with the new nose and all of the suggestions above was very tempting but I felt I mustn't lose sight of the original purpose and that was to correct and re-balance and not get a completely new face.We agreed on the procedures as follows ( original proposal in photos to follow soon)1)Forehead recontouring type 1 (shaving) Including orbital rim shaving.2) Hairline lowering. 3) Temple lift.4) Jaw angle reduction and chin contouring.5) Ointment treatment (pigmentations)6) Medpor implant nasolabial region. My date was set for May 2017... I couldn't wait! After waking up from surgery I could see I had gone through some big changes , bigger than I bargained for. Swelling was of course extreme and I had heavy indentation from the cooling/compression on my forehead. Unfortunately the cooling hadn't been turned on by my night nurse and I always wondered if that could've been detrimental to my initial healing. The weeks, months to follow were incredibly difficult. My bottom lip was dramatically reduced from its new position and sat inward in my mouth and pushed the top lip upwards, I also had extreme contortions of the lips and chin, my lower lip pulled heavily to the right and my frenulum ( the stringy bit between your gums and upper lip) had been caught badly within the internal stitches and became swollen and inflamed. I also developed a mucocele cyst from constantly biting my lower lip. For the next 12 months I was administered Botox in the lip and chin area to control the contortions and it was around 9 months before Dr Bart acknowledged that the frenulum needed to come out and I had to travel back to Belgium at my expense for him to tackle that and attempt to remove the mucocele cyst. The frenulum was removed successfully, unfortunately the mucocele cyst is still with me to this day. The upper face also has its problems. Early on I felt like I could see a dent in my forehead and my youthful eyelids no longer were defined and lacked all definition....However... The bone lumps on the orbital rims had gone. As the months passed and my follow up appointments rolled by with the Dr. It was 17th February 2019 on my last review the doctor concluded that it looked like I had some possible nerve damage to the lower face and a hole in my forehead/sinuses cavity causing the tenderness and sensitivity in the brow areas. My eyes looked different with the drooping eyelids and the hairline lowering looked no different, maybe even a little worse in my opinion.I asked the Dr if I could be compensated for my troubles and he agreed and gave me his insurers details for me to pursue a claim. Over the next coming months I started to experience extreme swelling in the forehead ( photos to follow) and had a ct scan on the NHS that showed bone deformity in the sinuses due to my surgery with Dr Bart. I got a second opinion from a respected private ffs surgeon in the UK who also confirmed this and advised revision surgery would be very complex and expensive. I shared this evidence along with photos with Dr Bart's insurers and clinic and the insurers strung out my claim for almost a year before simply replying with a no and that I signed a contract wavering any claim on complications. If it wasn't bad enough having a less than expected outcome, complications and the need for more surgery but the cruel and unnecessary protocol to make me chase for a year when the insurers probably knew that after a year has passed from start of symptoms or original procedure you cannot legally continue your claim with medical negligence. 2 years on and I luckily no longer need Botox to stop the contortions. I have used my own initiative with facial exercise and with some success I am happy to share my technique with any readers who maybe suffering with similar side effects. I have also found that pushing my tongue behind my bottom lip when I smile is a good trick to give the illusion of a full and natural smile, however when I laugh, my lower lip still pulls in and the tongue trick doesn't work on this and when I talk my lower lip still goes off to the side a little, there is nothing I can do about this and I believe that after 3 years that this is a permanent defect. The contours of my jaw and chin have improved symmetry but it's like the old problems have been replaced with new ones like exposed salivary glands and a bone lump that you can see through the skin on my right profile. As for the medpor implants now they were successful in producing a natural volume to the mid face, very aesthetically pleasing. The downside however is I can feel them inside my mouth with my tongue or finger, not ideal but you get used to it. Most importantly I am still getting sporadic forehead swellings that range from minor to more extreme. I have found that this can be treated with antibiotics in the meantime I haven't found any surgeon who can help me.
8 years later I revisited my surgeon and after my consultation I didn't feel comfortable with having any corrections and decided to look a little closer to home. I recalled meeting Dr Bart Van de Ven and researching him I felt him more than adequate to be an expert in bone work and arranged a consultation with him in late 2016. At the meeting I explained my concerns and what I hoped to achieve.1) The bone lumps removed from around my orbital rims WITHOUT CHANGING THE LOOK OF MY EYE SHAPE. This was very important to me. I have ( had) nicely defined and youthful eye shape. I just wanted the lumps taken off. 2) Have my uneven jawline balanced out.3) Correction of my witches chin. Dr Bart felt confident not only could he do this but also suggested the following :- 1) brow/forehead type 1 revision. 2) Hairline lowering 3)Temple lift ( my concern of drooping eyelids after bone removal ) 4) Nasal medpor implants 5) Revision Rhinoplasty ( He didn't like my nose and advised I'd have a much better profile result ) 6) Cream to fade my facial skin pigmentations.He sent me two separate simulations and two surgery proposals, one with the rhinoplasty and one without. I must admit that the profile simulation with the new nose and all of the suggestions above was very tempting but I felt I mustn't lose sight of the original purpose and that was to correct and re-balance and not get a completely new face.We agreed on the procedures as follows ( original proposal in photos to follow soon)1)Forehead recontouring type 1 (shaving) Including orbital rim shaving.2) Hairline lowering. 3) Temple lift.4) Jaw angle reduction and chin contouring.5) Ointment treatment (pigmentations)6) Medpor implant nasolabial region. My date was set for May 2017... I couldn't wait! After waking up from surgery I could see I had gone through some big changes , bigger than I bargained for. Swelling was of course extreme and I had heavy indentation from the cooling/compression on my forehead. Unfortunately the cooling hadn't been turned on by my night nurse and I always wondered if that could've been detrimental to my initial healing. The weeks, months to follow were incredibly difficult. My bottom lip was dramatically reduced from its new position and sat inward in my mouth and pushed the top lip upwards, I also had extreme contortions of the lips and chin, my lower lip pulled heavily to the right and my frenulum ( the stringy bit between your gums and upper lip) had been caught badly within the internal stitches and became swollen and inflamed. I also developed a mucocele cyst from constantly biting my lower lip. For the next 12 months I was administered Botox in the lip and chin area to control the contortions and it was around 9 months before Dr Bart acknowledged that the frenulum needed to come out and I had to travel back to Belgium at my expense for him to tackle that and attempt to remove the mucocele cyst. The frenulum was removed successfully, unfortunately the mucocele cyst is still with me to this day. The upper face also has its problems. Early on I felt like I could see a dent in my forehead and my youthful eyelids no longer were defined and lacked all definition....However... The bone lumps on the orbital rims had gone. As the months passed and my follow up appointments rolled by with the Dr. It was 17th February 2019 on my last review the doctor concluded that it looked like I had some possible nerve damage to the lower face and a hole in my forehead/sinuses cavity causing the tenderness and sensitivity in the brow areas. My eyes looked different with the drooping eyelids and the hairline lowering looked no different, maybe even a little worse in my opinion.I asked the Dr if I could be compensated for my troubles and he agreed and gave me his insurers details for me to pursue a claim. Over the next coming months I started to experience extreme swelling in the forehead ( photos to follow) and had a ct scan on the NHS that showed bone deformity in the sinuses due to my surgery with Dr Bart. I got a second opinion from a respected private ffs surgeon in the UK who also confirmed this and advised revision surgery would be very complex and expensive. I shared this evidence along with photos with Dr Bart's insurers and clinic and the insurers strung out my claim for almost a year before simply replying with a no and that I signed a contract wavering any claim on complications. If it wasn't bad enough having a less than expected outcome, complications and the need for more surgery but the cruel and unnecessary protocol to make me chase for a year when the insurers probably knew that after a year has passed from start of symptoms or original procedure you cannot legally continue your claim with medical negligence. 2 years on and I luckily no longer need Botox to stop the contortions. I have used my own initiative with facial exercise and with some success I am happy to share my technique with any readers who maybe suffering with similar side effects. I have also found that pushing my tongue behind my bottom lip when I smile is a good trick to give the illusion of a full and natural smile, however when I laugh, my lower lip still pulls in and the tongue trick doesn't work on this and when I talk my lower lip still goes off to the side a little, there is nothing I can do about this and I believe that after 3 years that this is a permanent defect. The contours of my jaw and chin have improved symmetry but it's like the old problems have been replaced with new ones like exposed salivary glands and a bone lump that you can see through the skin on my right profile. As for the medpor implants now they were successful in producing a natural volume to the mid face, very aesthetically pleasing. The downside however is I can feel them inside my mouth with my tongue or finger, not ideal but you get used to it. Most importantly I am still getting sporadic forehead swellings that range from minor to more extreme. I have found that this can be treated with antibiotics in the meantime I haven't found any surgeon who can help me.
Replies (5)
November 6, 2020
I also had surgery with Bart and I also had a hole in my forehead after the surgery. At the time, Bart could not explain what happened and he has continuously refused to explain it. Did he explain to you why you had a hole in your forehead? Is that part of his standard procedure, now?

November 24, 2020
Dear N.W., In a type 1 forehead recontouring, bone is milled off and the frontal sinus remains closed. However, it often happens that the bone is so thin at the end of the procedure that after weeks/months, a hole still forms in the frontal sinus front wall. If the bone has too little blood circulation it can disappear.
Usually the patient will not notice this because it is a small hole. Because the skin around the hole is fused with the bone, no air can come out of the frontal sinus subcutaneously.
However, if the hole is larger, a small dent in the bone may become visible. This dent can be filled with some fat from the tummy or legs (lipofilling). Another solution can be a new forehead recontouring in which the front wall of the frontal sinus is removed and the sinus is filled with bone cement. In this way, the forehead can be given the desired shape.
This is something that happens regularly with all FFS surgeons. It therefore says nothing about the quality of the operation or the surgeon. Some patients heal differently than others. Have a nice day. Kind regards, The 2Pass Clinic family
November 24, 2020
But if the patient came to the OR without hole in their skull and later ended up with holes and dent then that's the fault of the surgeon no? Also not all FFS surgeons give holes to their patients otherwise, these surgeons will have patients complaining like your patients have? I don't think it's fair to blame it on the patients' healing.
November 25, 2020
So I am right to think that it is now standard procedure for you to leave your patients with holes in their foreheads.
You never informed me that this is something that "happens regularly with all FFS surgeons", either before or after my surgery with you. If it's something common, why didn't you warn me it was likely to happen so that I could make an informed decision to have surgery with you or not? Closing the hole you left in my forehead with bone cement required major surgery with total anesthesia, and I would not have had surgery with you if I knew that was the likely outcome.
You also never explained to me the reason that I had a hole in my forhead. If you knew the reason and it is so common, then why did you not explain it to me even after I requested an explanation through official channels? Do you think it is acceptable that I hear an explanation only now, from a comment you left on an internet message board?
You never informed me that this is something that "happens regularly with all FFS surgeons", either before or after my surgery with you. If it's something common, why didn't you warn me it was likely to happen so that I could make an informed decision to have surgery with you or not? Closing the hole you left in my forehead with bone cement required major surgery with total anesthesia, and I would not have had surgery with you if I knew that was the likely outcome.
You also never explained to me the reason that I had a hole in my forhead. If you knew the reason and it is so common, then why did you not explain it to me even after I requested an explanation through official channels? Do you think it is acceptable that I hear an explanation only now, from a comment you left on an internet message board?
January 25, 2021
Hi
I'm having more CT scans on the 3rd February with another hospital to investigate further. I will update when I know more.

February 1, 2021
I'm so sorry this happened. I hope you can find someone else to help and heal.
UPDATED FROM DaisyChainsaw
1 year post
Before & After Photos
DaisyChainsawNovember 26, 2020
As promised, a photo insight into my journey.
I hope hear the helpful to anyone considering these procedures.
I hope hear the helpful to anyone considering these procedures.
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UPDATED FROM DaisyChainsaw
1 year post
Photos as promised
DaisyChainsawNovember 26, 2020
I hope this is a helpful insight to anyone considering these procedures
Replies (4)
November 29, 2020
You should file a complaint to Orde de Artsen for Antwerp and submit those pics. They're the medical board for Belgium.
December 1, 2020
Here is the link. It's the medical board for Belgium and they investigate surgeons for negligence. https://www.ordomedic.be/nl/contact-formulier/?contactantwerpen
December 1, 2020
Since the surgery was in Antwerp, you would have better luck contacting the "conseil régional de l’Ordre des médecins d’Anvers", the local medical board in Antwerp. However, note that both the federal board in "simone"'s link above and the local board can impose a disciplinary sanction against the physician but the patient is never informed of the outcome. So you can file a complaint- but you 'll never know what came of it. Here is the link of the Antwerp board, in case you want to contact them: https://www.ordomedic.be/fr/conseils-provinciaux/anvers/contact/
December 2, 2020
Hi Patata
Much appreciated thank you. Do you think it will still be ok to contact your suggestion even though I contacted the other yesterday ?
December 3, 2020
Most likely. I suspect the national board will redirect you to the Antwerp board anyway. Good luck with your complaint! And if I can ask a favour, could you please share the process you followed and the experience you had with the board, here or on another forum?
December 3, 2020
The one I linked to you is the direct link for Antwerp! So you don't need to send twice.
December 3, 2020
The link has "antwerp" in the URL, but the page says "Contacteer de Nationale Raad." (contact the national board/ council). The website does not offer separate contact forms for regional boards.
December 8, 2020
I have filed with your link and had a recognition response but no other responses to date
December 10, 2020
I'm sorry to hear that. You could perhaps try emailing them (in the response address) to ask how they are progressing with your complaint.
December 10, 2020
If it has been over 2 weeks I suppose you can email or even ring them. Did you provide your details and the clinic's? They won't take you seriously if kept some details out.
December 13, 2020
They have been in touch and forwarded to the centre that patata had mentioned
December 14, 2020
Thank you for letting us know, DaisyChainsaw (awesome handle, btw :) I wish you success with your complaint and I'd be very interested to hear how it goes.
December 15, 2020
That's good to hear. Did you submit the photos and receipts and such? They are good proof. Everyone wronged by this man should report him so he can be interrogated and he is exposed for all his botched jobs.

May 8, 2021
Has anyone seen any updates from the Orde der Artsen on their investigation of Dr. Bart van de Ven?

May 8, 2021

August 15, 2021
Hello , I had a hairline lowering with bart van de veen and he botched me , my surgery was 10month ago, I have itching all the time, swollen scars, pimples that appear often I file a complaint, and this surgery was for nothing because he didn’t change the size of my forhead , he cut the places where I had hair and not where there was skin without hair, he is very bad

Thank you for providing your feedback and letting us know about this. We are sorry to hear you are still not satisfied. We are glad to hear that you do not need Botox anymore to stop the contortions and that this is indeed a temporary side effect.
Kind regards,
The 2pass Clinic team