I've had botox three times within a six week period. Today my dr. injected a sronger dose, and told me if this amount doesn't work then it's not worth my time or $$. What do you think is happening? I only wanted my 11's to relax.
Why Didn't Botox Work on my 11's?
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Try and frown. If the muscles move then they have not been injected enough. If they don't move and the lines are still there then they are etched into your skin. you will need some filler and repeated botox treatment to softent them.
Botox not working
If you have had Botox injected three times with no effect then you may not be receiving the correct treatment for your issue. If you post pictures of your face we may be able to give you more specific advice. Botox works on dynamic wrinkles - meaning wrinkles caused when muscles contract. If your "11s" are severe enough that they are also there at rest, then you may have dermal atrophy requiring treatment with a dermal filler such as Juvederm. For static wrinkles - wrinkles at rest - Botox will not be effective during the first few rounds of treatment. Over time, however, the decreased activity of the muscles may allow some of the dermal atrophy to heal and show an improvement in the static wrinkles as well. It is very rare to be "immune" to Botox. While it does occur, it usually only happens in 1 out of 10,000 patients is often in patients with long time exposure to Botox.
Why Didn't Botox Work on my 11's?
There are a small subset of patients'11's that need additional Botox therapy and filler to teach the area. There is a stronger muscle component and deep set creases in the dermis working in unision. So treatment should include Botox + filler for the higher chances of success.
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If you can, please post the number of units used with each treatment, the dates, the areas treated, and a photograph of the area at rest and while you are trying to contract the muscles treated. That will let us help you more specifically.
Very Deep lines may not Disappear with Botox Alone
Botox dosing requires a certain degree of titration from patient to patient to match the physical changes and expectations present. I inform patients that my goal is to achieve a relaxed look at rest, which still allows for some motion. If a patient desires "no motion" in the glabella, a higher dose of Botox is administered. However, in some patients, these hyper dynamic lines are so deeply etched that Botox alone is insufficient. Various Fillers can potentially be used in the glabella, but are not FDA approved for this purpose, and have been associated with specific complications.
You may need something in addition to Botox!
How frustrating for you that the Botox did not work to remove your 11's. Remember that Botox treats dynamic wrinkles (those created by muscle activity) rather than static (the wrinkles present at rest) ones. Eventually, dynamic wrinkles become static ones over time. If your 11's are static wrinkles now, you may need a filler in addition to Botox to correct the lines in this area. Good luck.
Botox doesn't work on my 11's
I have used Botox for over 20 years and it is does dependent which means some people get a great result with small doses while others require quite a large dose for the same effect. If you really hate the Glabellar lines, there's enough Botox to get rid of them, just increase the dose.
Botox Didn't Work, What to Do?
Hi VE. There are a couple of possibilities, but assuming your injector is capable and there is a suitable does of Botox injected, it could be that the lines are too deep for Botox alone.
In some instances, using Botox alone will not completely resolve the frown lines you noted as the "11's". In these cases both Botox (or Dysport) and a dermal filler like Restylane or Juvederm is required. When the vertical lines are too deep, the Botox is often not enough and the area needs to be plumped or filled with these other products. You may want to ask your injector about this, but it shoal have been discussed beforehand if this was a possible outcome.
Relaxing the 11's with Botox Cosmetic
Botox relaxes the facial muscles which contribute to the 11's, or vertical wrinkles in-between the eyebrows. Botox may take up to 2 weeks before the maximum effect. While most patients respond to typical doses, some patients require more Botox than others. Lastly, Botox may not completely eliminate the facial wrinkles and complimentary treatments such as Restylane or Juvederm may be required. Other options may include skin care, subcision, dermabrasion, or chemical peel. Only after a comprehensive evaluation can a plastic surgeon or specialist help determine appropriate options for you. Best of luck.
Botox for "11" lines
Without an exam it is hard to say. How is it being injected, what is the problem the depressions are still there? IS the muscle moving? These are some of the things I would like to know. Sometimes with very deep lines, the botox blocks the muscle but these deep dermal depressions that are etched do not flatten too much. These can take a series of treatments and sometimes "off-label" use of a filler may help.
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