Disappointment - CA
- updated 2 months ago
I will try to update with pics as soon as possible...
- 31 Dec 2012
I will try to update with pics as soon as possible but right now it is hard for me to take one without crying. I had my procedure a few weeks ago with a double board certified ENT/ Facial cosmetic surgeon. I decided on him after meeting with two other cosmetic surgeons. I had an open septoplasty/ turbinate reduction/ rhinoplasty with cartilage graft. My nose had been broken once before. My breathing is much improved from the procedure but the cosmetic outcome makes me wish I never did any of this. I went to my doctor based on a referral from a family friend who's cosmetic outcome was simply gorgeous. I then scheduled an appointment for consultation, and the doctor really seemed to know his stuff. He showed me his book full of pictures and the results were nice and natural looking. Being that his pictures looked good and I had the advantage of knowing someone who, 2 years after the procedure still looked great and was pleased with the outcome, I booked my surgery.
Recovery was tough on me because I am not a mouth breather, and I was lucky to sleep more than 15 minutes at a time due to waking up coughing with a dry throat. Aside from that, I did not have much pain or anything like that..
I had my cast removed over a week ago. When it came off my nose was all red and flaky and I did not really know what I was looking at face on, so I tired not to look at it too much. He showed me a glance from the side and I instantly thought "the bump is still there!" but really tried to just not judge yet. He put the tape on and I went home.
I was told I could take the tape off a few days later and continue to tape whenever I wish. I will tell you right now, this tape is staying on my face until I get a revision. I look far better with it on than off. I know, I know, maybe there is still swelling, I am not even a month out, yadda yadda.... my nose is CROOKED. Not uneven swelling, crooked. as in leaning way more to one side.
As I said before my nose was broken, so he did a cartilage graft to balance things out but all it did was make it big and make it lean. I had nothing done to the tip or my nostrils. This was supposed to be a "finesse" type rhinoplasty. my bridge is still high, crooked, and there was supposed to be a straight line but there is still a boney, non-swollen hump that then dips down towards my tip. I can see where he did the graft how I still feel/look swollen, but that considered, this is not a nice outcome, and if the swelling keeps going down it will honestly probably look worse and make the bump that is still crooked and big, more prominent. I only told a few people I had this done and I am embarrassed for them to see what I paid for. I don't want my fiancé to look at or touch me. I don't want to leave my house. I am normally a strong person and can take things into consideration, but I know this is not an "it will get better" situation. Others like me who have had a bad outcome knew something was wrong right away. Now I face the even more terrifying thought of a revision... which I don't even know how to deal with. Seriously disappointed.
1/2/13 After doing a little research and mulling...
- 2 Jan 2013
After doing a little research and mulling it over, the initial shock and disappointment has subsided quite a bit. I have decided the World is not ending. I posted originally right after seeing that this bump will not go away by itself. But the more I have looked into it, I would revise that review to a "not sure". Nobody goes into this wanting/ expecting to have to have more fine tuning done afterwards. I realize after talking it over with my hunny & family that yes, there are still areas to be improved but it is better. Apparently septum shifting back to its original place happens, and isn't necessarily the fault of the surgeon. It's nature. It is unfortunate I had a residual bump but I am not alone with that. This is something that also can happen and from what I read can be resolved as soon as 6 months out. At least it was not over-scooped. This also does not mean my surgeon was incompetent. I placed a call to him and we will discuss the next step but I realize I had a complicated nose, and I could have had this outcome with even the best of doctors. I have high hopes and anticipate him to be more than understanding and to help me through this and want to further remedy this not only for myself, but his already wonderful reputation. This is just the reality of what can happen with this type of surgery. Good luck and best wishes to all! Will update again, soon :)
So to catch all up to speed, swelling has...
- 8 Mar 2013
My surgeon doesn't really know what he can do for it, which I am on the one hand glad he expressed because if he has no confidence in himself than I don't either. While it is sad I can no longer trust him, better than for him to lie and I end up with a bigger disaster. On the other hand it is so unacceptable to me that he has no real explanations. In regards to the residual hump, he said "I don't know if fixing it would even be worth it". I wanted to yell "WORTH IT TO WHO?!" Because OBVIOUSLY it is worth it to me. I'd maybe bear it if it even resemled my old natural bump before I broke it, but this is a completely different looking one. My nose still looks broken... the only real change was the sides were narrowed. Only one side was narrowed in too much to where the side bone sits under the top bone instead of joining it smoothly... giving me a real nice dent. It still leans, and I see no attempt was actually made to straighten my septum. I had a nasal valve collapse prior to surgery from a break that I thought he would address being that he said he was going to use spreader grafts... well he totally ignored where it was really needed. He said he didn't put any where the collapse was because then my nose would look too big... I'm sorry but I thought this was about achieving balance? So the narrowed sides now emphasize the collapse. This is why, even though lots of docs don't like computer imaging, it would have been helpful in this case because I would have a visual of his intent not to fix my collapse, and I wouldn't have gone to him.
Not a day goes by that I am not depressed over it. It is ruining my life right now and my relationship. I never liked my nose to begin with but I never sought surgery until I literally broke it. I figured that it made sense to fix something broken. I researched doctors for longer than most do, and this still happened to me. So just know, no matter how much of your homework you do, you could still end up unhappy and the end result could be very hard on you psychologically. I did my best to be patient and have hope in all of this even though I was unhappy since cast removal, but I can't pretend anymore. I'd even take my broken nose over this one, because at least I didn't pay for that one. I wish the best of luck to everyone on their journey of trying to be satisfied with their reflection.
You any of you out there who are or have suffered...
- 29 Mar 2013
I am just so upset I did this to myself and wonder if I am pushing my luck having this grotesque mess fixed. You can't even expect a good outcome when you know someone personally who got a great nose from the same surgeon... it is very sad!
Any people out there with good revision stories? It is almost impossible to find any. I want to have hope but then wonder how I would feel just going through more surgeries, only to end up looking even more disfigured. I truly can't believe this even happened to me! In no way could I have ever been prepared. I tried so hard to be positive even though I knew when the cast came off it was a mistake to have done this. I have been so strong and put on my "big girl" panties dozens of times and I just can't anymore. Especially since the surgeon did all but shrug his shoulders at me the last time I saw him. I am so angry that I trusted this person and had faith in him. I truly thought he would not be a doctor that conducted himself that way but that's when you see who you are REALLY dealing with.... when things go WRONG. I know it was elective but there should still be cases where it is acceptable to be reimbursed when something elective and cosmetic goes BAD. In nothing that I signed did it say that a risk could be looking like a victim of some freak accident. I can't help but be mad at myself for thinking I deserved to have something broken fixed. I disliked my nose before it was broken and had several opportunities to have it operated on, but didn't. I learned to find things I liked about it as I got older. But of course when I broke it and couldn't breathe anymore, it made sense to me to try to look more "normal" again. I am sorry for the rant but I just feel like a fool.... a fool for trying to be positive and say maybe this was a problem with healing and not my surgeon's mistake and a fool for thinking he would be able to just fix whatever he screwed up... a fool for even attempting to have a normal looking nose. I do have some ok days where I don't feel like this the whole day, but today is not one of them. I guess I am just looking for some hope from people who have had revisions, because I don't want this looking like a bigger train wreck than it already does :(
Just a small update, the side of my nose that was...
- 26 Apr 2013
*I will also add, while I am so happy for all of...
- 26 Apr 2013
Looking for "Mr. Right".
- 19 May 2013
So, I am still actively looking into revision. I would like to look in to Dr. Kim, who I have since met with and he would like me to come back in the near future when I am closer to revision time. I liked him very much. He was quite humble and straight forward and the quote did not seem outrageous, as well as he did not give me the impression that my case is a total doozy. I would also like to meet with Dr. Most, and the jury is still out on who my third doctor to meet with will be. I might meet with more than that, but those are the ones at the top of my list and who my surgeon referred me to after scratching his head. I will also add, that when I requested the photos I let his assistant know, since she had inquired, about my whole ordeal. She is a sweet lady and I am sure she passed the message along about me saying how my nose is now collapsing. I was surprised that he has not reached out and called. Even though I am not confident in his abilities to fix my situation in particular, I would still expect some concern for something like that happening. At the same time, I know it is time to just move on from that whole relationship... I held out hope for a long time as you can see in my prior entries, but when a surgeon doesn't know what to do or says they don't think removing a bigger looking hump than what you went in with would be "worth it", you know they won't be giving you their all. In the beginning he came across as having great bedside manner, but as previously stated, you don't really know who you are dealing with until something goes wrong.
So, I have started a little journal over in the revision rhinoplasty section. It can be discouraging in that section at times. I come across many that have had 2+ revisions and are just beside themselves with grief, and I am really concerned that it could be me, also. I am really trying to wrap my head around having another surgery. I relate this experience to going through a soul-crushing breakup. I thought I had found "the one", but my heart has been totally broken and shattered and I am feeling ugly and worthless. Now I have to find the strength to get back out there and move on so I can find the "right one for me", while trying not to be bitter and think that they are "all the same". I hope the next one was meant to be and that I live happily ever after :) I am searching for my surgeon soul mate!!! Dreams do come true sometimes, right?
- 20 May 2013
Ear cartilage for collapse & long term results
- 28 May 2013
Doctor appointment today
- 29 May 2013
I did get the referral, and though not an ENT, the doctor I saw did examine my nose and told me yes indeed, my bone on one side is so narrow (the surgeon tapered it to where it curves inward, not straight) that she can see why I cannot breath properly, and that I have collapses on both sides as well as a deviated septum. The septal deviation is an aesthetic one; I don't feel my septum is causing a breathing issue.
It felt nice to be validated but at the same time, made me angry all over again. I told the doctor how it is sad that I trusted this doctor just for the fact that I knew a girl that got her bump removed without an apparent issue (he did not break her nose), and the doctor responded with "We are human beings who deserve the right to breath. People make me so sick".
Although I am disappointed with how it looks, breathing is the most important thing, and funny enough is the fact that if he preserved my breathing, my nose would loo far nicer- save for the residual hump. Function should never be sacrificed for form, yet I got neither. His twisted idea of aesthetics gave me a bad look and worse breathing. Unbelievable!
- 2 Jun 2013
I decided to, for a limeted time,
- 11 Jun 2013
Let me remind you....
- 11 Jun 2013
It is so interesting
- 22 Jun 2013
If you ever write a negative review of your surgeon and NAME them....
- 28 Jun 2013
I am done doing favors for anyone. If he botches your nose, sorry I couldn't warn you. I don't get to have a voice. Join the club. I have never named him on here but I will continue to in private e-mails to people I believe are real because I believe in people making informed choices. My conclusions are, this industry is WHACK, and based on my first-hand accounts of my negative reviews getting deleted and getting bullied... and now upon searching my surgeon is just flawless again (makes me wonder how many others get bullied into not having a VOICE) I really have lost faith in any surgeons. If not the reviews, if not the one person you know who had a fortunate result, how are you to choose a surgeon? On a gut feeling? That didn't work either. I am glad for those who got a great surgery because their doc was not having a bad day. Truly. I am done trying to save others. These surgeons can be as superficial as the procedures they sell. The whole business is about appearances and looking a certain way, and some will stop at nothing to defend their reputation. You can post all the fake great reviews you want and those will always stay but the negative ones get removed. It is so sick that people really have no way of knowing who they are dealing with and I am not trusting these surgeons and their assistants who have nothing but free time to put countermeasures in place. Why would a successful surgeon have the time or even care to defend their reputation? I have time to complain because a botched surgery will destroy any self-esteem you had and cause you to be house-bound until you can come to terms with your change for the worse. Good luck, all.
Well realself reminded me to update, so....
- 29 Jul 2013
I am actually growing increasingly doubtful that my case will be fixable to my liking. It is hard to trust and I know I wish with ever fiber of my being to take back that day that I had surgery. When I look back at it I see a poor girl waiting to be taken to the chopping block like an animal on an assembly line. It makes me ill. So to think I could be taking that risk again is quite terrifying, yet so is living with this awful, horrible mess that surgeon gave me. Like I mentioned before he is a no-name really, and has gone to many lengths to persuade me from making any claims with his name attached to it so I can only imagine how the "bigger" doctors there are to consult with would behave. The surgeons I have looked into that are supposed to be great have some sketchy reviews, and I'll leave it at that.
I don't want to go in and have someone make a promise or overshoot their abilities in their own mind in regard to my case. I don't want someone to look at me and think to themselves "never taken that on but heck, why not? I'm sure I could fix it". Yeah, no thanks. Pretty sure that's what the first surgeon did. I don't need a surgeon looking at my nose as a new experimental thing to work on and play a little trial and error with, because as us revision patients know- if it goes well, yay! If not, they will do everything to shut you up and appease you (it's just swelling! don't look at it! did you do the nose exercises that I never mentioned until now? come back and talk to me after your year of immense depression) until you have a breakdown and hate them so much that you'll never see them again. They don't think about your botch job or care if you just go away. They don't feel an immense need to right their wrongs. After all, you signed tht little paper. And when that all happens, you are not a patient factored into their own revision rate that they'll tell other patients is 2-5%. You will not be in the before and afters. To all newcomers, you don't exist. Therefore, you are not some problem or example of what could go wrong. Patients don't see how a doctor is capable of ruining your face, they just get to imagine a prettier picture of a patient needing a little "touch up". None of them have to revise a nose they did, only a "touch-up" they'll say, as if you are filling in a chipped nail at the salon. And it's only been one or two. All of us that break that relationship, disappear in the numbers. So think about that. I wish they had a second book, full of their mistakes. If I had to imagine what that book looks like for a lot of surgeons, I never would have considered this procedure.
That's pretty much all I have to say, sorry so glum but being that I have heard two sides online- that my nose is sooo fixable, and then others say not really. It's a tug of war every day and never in my life did I need intensive therapy until now. So factor $600 a month for some undefinable length of time to your potential rhinoplasty costs. And to clarify, it is not therapy because my problem is "in my head", it is just really hard to get over trauma from falling asleep trusting someone and waking up destroyed. I have to learn how to accept something I never ever ever ever signed up for. So if I am saying I would take not just my birth nose, but my very broken nose over this one, that is saying a lot. Surely nobody could have "made this nose worse". I have to say anytime I see a person on hear use that phrase, I cringe, because you just have no idea.
Just a note about something I noticed
- 3 Aug 2013
The glowing review was not particularly detailed in the patients first hand experience, but actually extremely defensive, and opens immediately with a few sentences addressing the "bad" review, and pretty much attacking that review.... How they are "shocked" and how the reviewer "is not talking about the same surgeon". Why? Because that was not THEIR experience, so surely the person with the bad experience is nuts or trying to sabotage a doctor's reputation for recreational purposes! Then it closes with how they would "recommend the doctor for ANY and ALL procedures".... even though they allegedly only had a rhinoplasty! So just fyi, it is not smart to take advice on how you should get a boob job from a surgeon because they did a great job on a reviewer's nose. Not only do I feel I have the initial common sense to smell the B.S., but it especially stuck a chord in me, being that I experienced this exact scenario several weeks ago.... Literally the exact formula of the review I just read a bit ago. Everything was the same. This is a glaring pattern that is going on and I though it is quite obvious what is really happening (I'll let you figure it out), I thought would highlight this déjà vu situation that I just encountered.
A REAL happy review will state their experience and their experience only! Why attack someone because they did not share your good fortune? It does not add up if we were to assume that these reviews are REAL. Because, if you look at all of us with negative reviews, we do not dismiss the happy ones! We just say "I guess I was unlucky! Sucks for me and I don't get it!" Who am I to attack someone's real experience? I have stated many times in different forums and to other people that I know someone with a SUPERB result from the same surgeon, which is especially why I feel a duty to warn others that you just *might* end up with a bad result even under such circumstances! I'd never disbelieve someone's good experience unless their review addresses mine, or implies I must be trying to ruin a surgeon's business or mentions any "bad" review.... which is exactly what I have experienced when I have reviewed my surgeon on other sites.
And if somehow these morons are for real, and actual patients... how silly do they still sound? Let me ask, if someone goes to a restaurant and has bad food or service and yelps about it, but you ate at the same restaurant two years ago and had the best night ever, would you go on there and write a review calling out anyone who had a bad experience after your visit and say they must be lying... surely they did not eat at that restaurant, because their experience was not like yours! Just think about how silly that would be, and remember that when you see some patient going out of their way to defend a surgeon to the death. Food for thought.
Just thought I'd mention-
- 23 Aug 2013
- 30 Aug 2013
I really wish
- 6 Sep 2013
Though I am no longer on a mission to help people avoid this surgery....
- 4 Oct 2013
I just am having a hard time believing my nose could ever be in the realm of normalcy. Yes, I know.... miracles happen, there are great surgeons and before and afters.... but where are the updated before and afters from doctors? You can bet my surgeon does not have any of me, and if he did he surely would not show them. But I even worry about stellar before and afters for revisions, when I can't see what they look like now, or what they will look like.
The internet and media keeps me especially embarrassed. I can't go one day logging on without seeing someone being made fun of. Whether it is on social forums, or in the news, people get torn apart and I see how viciously people treat and think of other people. If I walk past people and I hear laughter, I automatically make it about me. I have NEVER felt this way before, ever. I was brimming with confidence even with my natural imperfections. I feel like a shell of myself. I cannot connect with myself or this face whatsoever. I can't carry myself with it. I fear it will get so much worse, which is like being stuck between the Devil and the deep blue sea. Choose door number one, and I live with a God-awful nose and if I ever see anyone they'll wonder what the Hell I did to myself- even though it was really a surgeon who did this to me, society will not view it that way. Choose door number two, and it either looks bad or worse out the gate OR, even if it looks nice- good luck enjoying it! Who knows how it will change down the line. It feels never-ending; and eternity of pain, suffering, and worrying. This is my personal Hell everyday and I have always had immense strength, but my will has been so broken. So yes, there are days when opting out of this World seems like the superior option. Of course I know that is not true, blah blah blah, but until you have been here- literally gone to sleep expecting an improvement in your life, and then wake up for a terror-filled ride that gets worse by the second -you really just can't fathom what it does to your psyche.
The doctor is not listed on this site, but I chose him based off of the recommendation of a family friend who appeared to have had a nice result. I will private message about my doctor to those who privately inquire. *******I also will no longer be responding to messages from non-established members on this site (people who sign up only to message me, are not documenting an experience or openly commenting to other members). *******