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Mexico Adventure - San Miguel de Allende, Mexico

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I have been seeing the ads for FaceLiftMexico in...

tropicalgirl
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I have been seeing the ads for FaceLiftMexico in one of my favorite magazines, International Living, for many, many years and always stored that information in the back of my mind. I am already a great fan of Mexico and feel safe everywhere I go, because I don't frequent border towns and Acapulco! San Miguel de Allende is my favorite city in Mexico....very sophisticated and beautiful. The medical facilities and services there are top-notch, as there is quite a large and sophisticated expat community in San Miguel. I had investigated plastic surgeons in my area of the United States and was almost fearful of their extreme approaches in terms of drastic results and protecting themselves from liability.....not to mention extremely high prices. 

I am a single woman, going on 62, and decided that I didn't want to have my surgery in such a non-nurturing environment....being sent home the day of surgery to make do for myself. I remembered Pat Marino, her hand-picked surgeon and her Spa retreat for the aftercare. I did my due diligence, looking for 3rd party reviews of Dr. Koelliker and felt comfortable that I would be in good hands before AND after. I particularly liked that the method of anesthesia used by Dr. Koelliker is much safer and not as hard on your body as the general anesthesia used in the US. With Pat Marino as a guide, my initial apprehension has been assuaged and I feel like I can call her at any time to have all of my questions answered. FaceLiftMexico promises to take care of you from the moment you step off the plane, handles all of the transportation details and then tends to your every need in a spa-like atmosphere at Casa Marino for six days after your THREE day hospital stay under the care of your doctor. I have begun to look at my potentially stressful experience of a facelift as more of the "vacation" they advertise. Now, I am under no illusions this will be a walk in the park, but at least I feel I am choosing to make it easier on myself. Dr. Koelliker is also known for his conservative approach and has been described as a true "artist." Sounds good to me!

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May 2, 2013
You must let us know how it all goes!
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May 2, 2013
sounds like you are in good hands. good luck, cannot wait to see
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May 3, 2013

Your big day is a week away! When are you heading to Mexico?

I would like to know how the anesthesia Dr. K. uses is better for your body than U.S. anesthesia. Do you have additional details on this?

May 6, 2013
I answered you from my cellphone, as I was out of town the last week, but don't think it posted. I just wrote in my last post all I know about it. All I want to know is that I won't be aware of anything that is going on!
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May 22, 2015
Some patients are hesitant to undergo cosmetic surgery strictly because of the need for general anesthesia. Indeed general anesthesia does have its downsides, such as the need for breathing assistance (ventilation), nausea-related side effects, and increased costs ($2,000 - $3,000) There is an alternative to general anesthesia called twilight anesthesia. Twilight sleep ( with demerol etc) or Twilight anesthesia is an anesthetic technique where a mild dose of general anesthesia is applied to induce anxiolysis (anxiety relief), hypnosis, and anterograde amnesia (inability to form new memories). The patient is not unconscious, but sedated. along with local - are not hard on the body - almost amnesia inducing - you can talk to Dr. - unless he ups the dosage - and your recovery is much quicker without the gen anesth risks - Twilight anesthesia is an anesthetic technique that uses mild doses of drugs to block pain, reduce anxiety, and provide a temporary memory loss, thus enabling patients to feel comfortable during and after surgical procedures. With twilight anesthesia a patient is sedated but remains conscious in what’s commonly referred to as a “twilight state”. The patient is sleepy but still responsive and able to follow direction or communicate with their surgeon. Typically, a local anesthetic that’s applied to the surgical site is used in conjunction with twilight anesthesia to ensure a pain-free experience for the patient.
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May 22, 2015
I have had two facelifts and one blepharoplasty over 25 year period under Twilight sedation and only felt pressure or pulling - in fact, suffered much more pain when they removed the staples/stitches - ouch!
May 3, 2013
I'm sure you will have great results. I just had my facelift on April 29 in Celaya, a 45 minute drive from San Miguel. I'm not ready to write a review yet, since I'm only 3 days post-op, but so far everything has been better than I ever expected.
May 6, 2013
Oh, that is so comforting to hear and I am happy for you that it is going well! Who is your doctor? How long was your surgery?
May 6, 2013
My surgery took 4 hours. I am 6 days post-op and in no pain at all. There is tightness in my neck, and I am starting to feel some tingling from the nerve regeneration, but that is all. I am staying in San Miguel de Allende which is a beautiful place to recover in.
May 12, 2013
Well, I am here. Are you still recuperating? We should have lunch, haha!
May 12, 2013
I am so happy to hear everything went well for you! It sounds very similar to my experience in the hospital, so much kindness and care, and feeling like everyone was watching out for me. I love the idea that they keep us in the hospital so long, and I totally agree that if I ever have any other work done I would come here to do it. I wonder if we were in the same hospital in Celaya? How long will you be in SMA?
May 3, 2013
I wish you all the very best for your facelift. Judging by all the reviews on Dr Keolliker I'm sure it will be great. I am in a similar position to you, ie, in my 60's on my own etc and am seriously considering going to Mexico for a facelift. I live in New Zealand so it is quite a journey. I look forward to reading about your progress and experience.
May 6, 2013
It IS a long way to travel, but we do what we have to do, don't we?! We are brave women! Will look forward to hearing about your process as well....
May 6, 2013
Do you have a date yet for your facelift? I have found out the flying time to LA from here is 13 hours and then another 7.5 to Cancun so I am having a hard time deciding.
May 6, 2013
The date is May 9....this Thursday. Yep, that is so very long. Isn't there anyone in Australia? There must be some other clinics you could research closer to you....Thailand, etc. I am not sure I would want to fly that far unless I could afford first class. I have done my longer trips like that in a more comfortable way with the many miles I have accumulated from buying inventory for my store on credit cards.
UPDATED FROM tropicalgirl
3 days pre

I have been out of town and out of touch until...

tropicalgirl
I have been out of town and out of touch until today. Thanks for all of the responses. I did try to answer a couple of questions by cellphone, but I don't think they posted. Am not the world's most computer literate person. Someone asked about the anesthesia. All I know is that it is an IV sedation with local injection. There is much less trauma and you are awake immediately after. There is no tube down your throat, which has it's own potential complications. You do not feel, hear or remember anything. I have been telling a few women what I am about to do and many of them said they have done it as well....astounding to find out. In making my decision to have a facelift, I have wrestled with the thought that I want to be loved for who I am....want a partner in my life who doesn't mind wrinkles and appreciates the companionship of someone his age, etc. etc. But I have faced the fact that we live in a society that values beauty (who doesn't love beauty?!) and we are all attracted to attractive people. I can weed out the ones who aren't beautiful on the inside as well, very quickly. I still look pretty good and am comfortable with my looks, for my age, but want to do the surgery while I am younger/healthier. I want to look good when I am 75-80. My mother had one facelift in her life and at 89, you can still see physical beauty instead of a mass of wrinkles. Why not have inner and outer beauty both, if we can?!! So I have worked out my most of my inner hesitations and am going forward without a lot of fear of the physical process as well. I know how to detox from the drugs and heal scars and meridians that are disturbed, so that helps. It helps so much talking with others.

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May 6, 2013
I think the emotional part of the decision and then the healing process can be underestimated. Sounds like you are prepared! Have had other things done but it was nothing like the decision to do face work.
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May 22, 2015
I so relate to your careful examination of desiring inner and outer beauty and yes - once you meet someone you can probably assess their 'inner' beauty. Many people do not have a Mother Theresa heart to see beyond the external skin when meeting people. Inner beauty does shine - but I admire your sensible and eager desire to experience all the best life has to offer - with maybe a little more self confidence that this procedure can bring. And you are never too old - my girlfriend had a facelift at age 72 and looks wonderful. She was divorced and single until age 81 and met her soul mate - they have been married 2 years and she looks even younger with that glow of love enhancing her youthful appearance. Best of luck to you on your journey....
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3 days post

It's done! It was a pleasure...really (!) from...

tropicalgirl
It's done! It was a pleasure...really (!) from the beginning. FaceLiftMexico with Pat and Melinda Merino has a process that takes it all out of your hands. They provide the best possible experience and there is no stress or drama on your end. I have been chauffeured around in a private car by a sophisticated and lovely father/son team. They didn't just take me to the hospital in Celaya and drop me off, but they checked me in and made sure I was comfortable in my room. Dr. Koelliker came in right away and gave me as much time as I needed to consult with him in person. I had already been assessed from the United States by sending in required testing, yet they did it all over again, quickly, though, to be certain my body was in good shape to handle surgery. I felt very safe and comfortable.....not too many jitters. Someone was always visiting me to be certain I was doing well as I was waiting. I wasn't even nervous on surgery morning. I was wheeled into surgery facing a room of about 15 people involved in the process. The anesthesia wasn't as deep as I had thought it would be, because I could hear myself snoring and would ever so often realize I was being worked on. It was all so vague and over with quickly, though. I was so grateful to have had the lighter anesthesia, and even though I was nauseous afterwards, it wasn't nearly the event from which to recuperate had I had the tube down my throat and the general anesthetic. I was told that most people don't get the nausea, but I am not used to any kinds of pharmaceuticals at all and am very sensitive. All in all, I am feeling so much safer and cared for in Mexico. They do things because they are better for the patient, not out of fear of being sued or just because it is formal protocol. Dr. Koelliker didn't go too heavy on the drugs...he used only a mild form of painkiller because it is safer. Afterwards, he visited me 4 times a day in my room making sure I was okay. Our healthcare and hospital system in the United States has become rote and impersonal and not patient oriented. I have been so grateful that I am here. I would assume that from now on if I need any major medical work done, I will research this area again. I am now at Casa Marino, in a beautiful home, a luxurious bed, a beautiful garden with a fountain & birds and a massage therapist in the next room! I have a week of peaceful vacation ahead of me....being served wonderful food, an extensive selection of great movies on my in room flat screen tv, a gorgeous city to explore and very nice, supportive people all around me. I am told that my bruises and swelling are not too bad and I seem to be healing quickly already with no pain, only some major tightness which is par for the course. I am not making light of the vision in the mirror or being vaguely uncomfortable sleeping only on my back, but I was prepared ahead of time to know this would be the case. If I were in the United States they would have kicked me out of surgery just hours later and I would be alone in my house, wondering about my face, and everything else under the sun. There is something very wrong with that. All of this for about one third less the price I was quoted at home. So far.....so GREAT. The actual healing will tell the tale on the satisfaction with the outcome. More later...

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May 13, 2013
Will you post pics? this is soo amazing..to travel by yourself for such a big surgery!!
May 18, 2013
I am so happy for you and wish you all the best! I too, am going to Dr Koelliker on June 11 for a facelift and breast lift. Going by myself, so very nervous! What was the hospital you were in and how far was it to Casa Merino?
May 18, 2013
good luck to you Hippiegirl, I am on my way to San Miguel Allende myself. Why haven't you been told how far it is from hospital in Celaya to Casa Marino? the hospital should now be the same as it was for the last few persons. I know the MAC hospital was listed in February and it was on Pat Marino's website for Dr. K. I found out that the hospital had changed but was not listed on the website. It should be about 1 1/2 hours from Celaya on the outskirts of San Miguel Allende. I have the address of the Casa if you need it. I had to research to find this five star spa casa house in the suburbs.
May 18, 2013
Congratulations! You are going to love Dr. Koellilker, he inspires a lot of confidence and visits you 3 and 4 times a day while in the hospital. There are many nurses and aides coming and going as well. You will not feel alone, AT ALL, when you get to Casa Marino. I felt like they were really there for me and anything you need to talk about is addressed. They are not using the MAC hospital right now. I understand there is a lot of construction going on and it is also not convenient for Dr. Koelliker to see you multiple times a day, as his home hospital is the "other" one....can't remember the name, but Casa Marino can give you that info. They are renovating the older hospital where Dr. Koelliker works and where I had my surgery, which should make it an even better experience. While it would have been nice to have a more attractive room, etc., the important point, of his being there for you at a moments notice, is worth being in the older hospital. Maybe they will use that hospital all of the time....I didn't really get the story. It was a perfectly fine room and facility and I had total confidence in the hospital and the support staff. It is around an hour drive from the hospital to Casa Marino with a great driver, so you will enjoy the drive, the conversation and a little history lesson, if you wish. Remember that a lot of us go alone and actually having company could have been annoying, haha, as the alone time was a wonderful gift for healing and there was no pressure to engage....could really rest and relax. You will do great and I can't wait to hear how you do!
May 18, 2013
Tropical girl, I agree about the being "alone" business. I used a different doctor from yours but I was on my own for a week in San Miguel after the surgery, and it was restful knowing I wasn't obligated to entertain or even engage in conversation if I didn't want to. It's so important to rest and sleep for that first week.
May 18, 2013
How is your recovery going? I am a little freaked out by my scars and, as I am sure they will diminish in time, I want to think that they can go away relatively completely if I take care to put the healing creams on religiously. Do you still have swelling, bruising, etc.?
May 18, 2013
I do have some swelling at the side of my cheeks, and under my chin and around my ears. I think the scar under my chin is going to be ok, when it was a scab it was really ugly, but now it already looks much better. There is so much conflicting advice about what works for healing, and I do think so much is an individual reaction rather than anything to do with the doctor or the after care. I've been putting vaseline on my upper eyelids,I don't know if it helps but it's supposed to keep the scar tissue soft and I don't like to put anything near my eyes that might irritate them. Dr. Barrera said not to use anything for the first three weeks, so I am breaking that rule with my eyelids.
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May 29, 2013
May 29, 2013
Goodbye 50 Hello 30, you are correct that I made an error about the distance between Celaya and San Miguel and only realized it when I was in Mexico. Sorry about that. I did walk that distance to where the Casa Marino is and it is about a half hour walk from Jardin Allende. I see that Angeleyes did not post the nasty email she sent to me while I was on my way home May 25th, on this blog site. I guess you two are in touch privately. I have said nothing negative and I have never bad mouthed others. It is the other way around. Obviously you and Lisa are together in some sort of vendetta that has nothing to do with me and all to do with advertising for Pat Marino. She does not sign contracts and was unwilling to give me a receipt for the 3,200 she wanted me to wire into her Florida account. Would you two stop harassing me as it is very tedious. People have the right to be on this blog to ask questions about surgeries and doctors, not just the people who have told their story of their experiences with Dr. K and Casa Marino. I do appreciate the postings and thought I was being very supportive of you and I was also very supportive of Lisa when I first saw the blog. Things changed when confidentiality between Pat Marino and myself was broken and was given to AEs and she defamed me with derogatory comments that were taken off the site by the RS staff. I have had an experience with going to SM and having a consult with Dr. Barrera in person. He is a very personable and professional doctor and showed me photos of past clients and explained in detail every step of the procedure. He only requires payment when you get to the hospital which I know personally is a very clean and pristine well known place. He offers the facelift with upper and lower eyes for $6,000 and does not demand that his clients must stay anywhere they are not comfortable with. There are other places for less money and they offer services of cooking, cleaning and helping. So that is my experience that you requested in so many words. Sorry you are so angry that you must vent on this forum.
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May 30, 2013

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May 30, 2013
Hi Sharon, I am now getting emails that are addressed to "tropical girl" that aren't really intended for me. I think yours is the same, as I am not embroiled in any kind of controversy or ugliness in the slightest, with anyone on this site.....I think there must be a mistake here. I got a post on my email from christine, who mentions lisa, and I have no idea who they are...it is a little confusing. Could you please see if you can clear this up so I don't get notices like this or posts through my emails intended for someone else....maybe Anli???? Thanks!
May 30, 2013
oh, also, I didn't mean to implicate anli....what i meant to convey was that i think one of the emails was also sent to her, or referenced her. the only thing i have seen from anli is a great experience and no controversy. i have no idea.....would like to get out of any thread that has negativity. thanks, again
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May 30, 2013

I'm sending you a PM regarding notifications. :)

May 30, 2013
Me too, tropicalgirl. I don't want any drama, and I have no dog in this fight (is that the right idiom?) From everything I've read and heard, both of the well-known PS's in San Miguel are highly regarded. I chose Dr. Barrera because I know San Miguel well and wanted to stay in a B&B near the Jardin, and I had a friend who was coming there to stay with me. If I didn't live in Mexico, and didn't feel comfortable with Spanish, and was coming alone, I might easily have chosen Dr. K. I'm sure there's plenty of business for both of them.
May 30, 2013
Yea, that whole thread just seems.....childish. I do not know what happened, or not, but the one post fromyesterday that I saw was very accusing and filled with name calling. A surgeon may be a good fit for one person, and not for another one. Why does someone get so heated about something so trivial....the Choice of surgeons?!
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May 30, 2013

Hi ladies (tropicalgirl, anli1974 and Leval59),

Just to clarify, my comment wasn't directed at any of you. :) If you're signed up to receive new comment notifications for this thread then you'll receive an email notification anytime a comment is posted here... even if it's a comment that's a reply for someone else. (It's like being able to listen to any public conversation in the room, not just people who are talking directly to you.) I hope that makes sense!

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