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Permalip - Lots of Pictures and Info! - Glasgow, UK

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Hello all, I thought I'd write about my...

Gemma1988
$1,595
Hello all,

I thought I'd write about my experience with Permalip because I want to help others who have considered the procedure, who may not know what it involves.

First of all I'd just like to say that if this is something that you want to get done - then please don't be put off by what others will think/say. It's your life, and you only get one face! You may as well make it the best it can be! And if thin lips are holding you back, then Permalip is the way to go. Anyone who has anything negative to say doesn't know what it is like to be you.

The reason I say all this ^ is because my boyfriend begged me not to get this done. My sister and a few friends thought I was stupid, and my parents went mad and didn't understand at all. I have wanted fuller lips for YEARS, but the drama it caused made me think of not going through with it at all. But it's been almost a week and I'm so glad I did!

At 22, my asymmetrical thin lips had bothered me since the age of 16 when I thought the gap between my nose and mouth was too large and I would push my lip up in the mirror to fill the gap. I just told myself to get over it, but I never really did. Whenever I laughed or smiled with teeth my upper lip vanished completely. I hated pictures where I was smiling.

The final straw came at my graduation last July, where I got a professional photo done. I looked like a snake, with an evil thin-lipped grin all in high definition. I didn't look like the girly person I felt inside and it really upset me :( That was when I decided to try fillers.

I got fillers in December, which had faded by February, so I got them again in February. I loved them but my lips deflated so fast, it was depressing. And at £200 a pop it wasn't worth it.

In March I found this website and did some intense, obsessive research into Permalip. I LOVED how natural the implants looked, and how much of a difference they made to a persons face! I knew I had to have this done so I could stop poking at my lip in the mirror, trying to do tricks with make-up to pretend I had full lips. I wanted to feel cute and feminine without make-up. (I do now!)

I looked into various surgeons and clinics, and finally went with Mr. Taimur Shoaib of La Belle Forme clinic in Glasgow. It was at least a 3 hour train ride away from my home in Manchester, but his reviews were all good and the price was only £1,595 for both lips, which was extremely good value for someone with so much experience. I decided I was going to do this.

I saved up enough to afford the Permalip procedure, and went up to Glasgow for my consultation. When I got outside the clinic I was suddenly very nervous and felt vain and stupid, but the ladies at reception were warm and welcoming.
Mr. Shoaib was understanding and helpful, and let me look at the implants which are like clear gummy worms which taper off at either end. They were very flexible and stretchy, which meant the implants would be able to move with my lips in different expressions once I was fully healed.
He recommended the 5mm (biggest) straight away as he said one of the main problems with 3mm and 4mm implants is that people complain there isn't enough difference afterwards. Of course I was delighted with 5mm. He measured my lip width which was 55mm and ordered the implants for me.

On the 26th June I went back up to Glasgow for my Permalip procedure. I was led into a room for the surgery with a bed in the middle. I was a little bit alarmed as Mr. Shoaib and his assistant were in scrubs and there were metal instruments everywhere. I don't know what else I expected, I guess it only just hit me what I was doing.

They were so friendly and warm, I felt really comfortable. Mr. Shoaib talked me through everything he was doing and made sure I was okay, which was reassuring! His assistant was very supportive and told me I was doing well and things. She was really sweet.

Firstly I got my face sterilised and had the local anaesthetic. I have a very high threshold for pain but there was something about being injected through my upper gums into my cheekbones that made my eyes bulge and tears stream down my face. I thought "oh my god what am I doing?!" I had 2 of those horrible shots and then through my lower gums into my chin, 1 on both upper and lower gum webbing, in that space between nose and mouth, and multiple into my lips (I lost count at that point). I am not going to beat around the bush here - it was the worst pain imaginable!

Then again I'm sure it would have been a lot more painful to have had the implants inserted without it! Lol. It didn't take long, and my whole face felt very numb. Mr. Shoaib pulled at my lips and I felt nothing. The procedure began and I heard him snip the corners of my mouth. It sounded like when you cut bacon. Gross. I just closed my eyes at this point.

There was a lot of tugging and pulling going on, no pain. He did the stitches and everything and we were done in about 15 minutes? It was crazy. He just knew exactly what he was doing, it was great.

After the procedure I was NOT ready for my reflection. I was shown a mirror and nearly collapsed. I felt a bit mean for sounding disappointed but I never expected to look so terrible! I made sure to take lots of horrible pictures so others know what they're getting themselves into. I guess some people don't swell up as bad as I did? Oh well, be warned that THIS COULD BE YOU!

Seriously I looked like a monster. I didn't look human. I ran straight to the toilets and tried to make it look better with make-up because I still had 4 hours of trains to catch. My lips were red and angry and sore, and had swollen up so huge, all the way up to my nose! They stuck out further than my nose like a beak, except it was a beak made out of balloons. I wondered if it would ever go down, that I had made a mistake.

The worst part was the journey home. I have purple hair so I was already attracting attention... but with my swollen duck face it just brought on so much more staring and muttering. On crammed sweaty trains too. It was horrible. Couldn't believe how rude people were being, a man did a double take and then held his gaze for at least 10 seconds! I would recommend taking a scarf or having someone drive you there so you don't have to go through what I did.

As the anaesthetic wore off that night, the pain set in at full force. For about 2 days I was on ibuprofen, which worked amazingly! I had paracetamol but it didn't work as well. Couldn't do the tiniest smile without it hurting, definitely couldn't laugh.
Couldn't eat/drink without extreme difficulty for the first 2 days, as you can see from my pics I was extremely raw and could barely move my mouth.

I wanted to make sure I got all the right nutrients for good healing, and made compromises because it was so hard to eat/drink on day 1 and 2.

I ate weetabix with milk for fiber and dairy, had protein shakes, fruit smoothies and chicken slices.

By day 4 things were a LOT easier and I even ate chips, ice cream and pringles! I could even smile and laugh freely (although it looks a bit stiff, even now - but hey, progress!)

It is now day 5/6 and I can eat/drink/talk/laugh like a champ, healing beautifully! I think I'm still a bit swollen because I don't look *quite* right and smiling feels a bit stiff.

I feel so pretty and happy, I'd definitely recommend this!

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Taimur Shoaib, MD

Taimur Shoaib, MD

Specialist Registered Plastic Surgeon

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Replies (11)

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July 2, 2013

What a terrific review! You look very pretty. Thank you so much for sharing your insights into Permalip. You are going to help so many others.

What does your boyfriend and family think of your new look?

July 2, 2013
What a beautiful girl you are!!! Thank you for the wonderful share and I hope you continue to heal nicely ! Be well!
July 4, 2013
Thank you so much! I hope I help someone out there, I really do. So much was gained from this forum that I felt I had to give back! My family and boyfriend are away on holiday and haven't seen it, but I'm sure once they see how natural it looks they'll be fine with it :)
July 4, 2013
Thank you for your kind words. I hope my review was of interest to you!
July 12, 2013
they have healed lovely it will probabaly take a while for them to settle still x
April 17, 2015
Thanks for posting this on the net I found it very helpful :)
June 1, 2015
Im so going to get it I hope it's worth it:/
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May 16, 2017
The best written review. I'm Si happy for you. Wish I could see pics
June 26, 2017
Does anyone know how I can view this ladies pictures? I've signed up to Realself but still can't see anything. Thanks.
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December 19, 2018

Hi Lainey -- It looks like she has removed the photos from her review, so unfortunately the photos aren't available any more.

UPDATED FROM Gemma1988
8 days post

Swelling down, more natural look!

Gemma1988
It's day 7 and over the past 2 days I have noticed my lips deflating and felt a bit worried (such a contrast to last week!) but then I realised that it was a good thing because I've noticed they're doing less of the sticking-out-at-the-side-too-much unnatural duck thing.

Here is a picture of me and my lips looking totally natural! So glad I can laugh and smile and everything normally now. Happy!

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July 4, 2013
your lips are the best i have seen, had mine done yesterday, was thinking to get 5mm but surgeon suggested 4mm so went with them but looking at yours i wish i followed my heart:
July 4, 2013
Hey there, thank you very much but I'm sure your surgeon knows what looks best! As you can see from my pics I had very thin lips to begin with that disappeared when I smiled, so I was definitely in need. I hope they turn out great, I'm sure they will, have faith :)
July 12, 2013
thankyou for this, Im thinking of getting mine done. Ive had every filler under the sun and Im sick of wasting money. It just seems like such a big decision! It looks so painful pretty worried xx
July 12, 2013
Hey there, you're welcome :) I've wasted money on fillers too and it's depressing how quickly they get reabsorbed isn't it? Fillers that last a month vs. Permalip that will last for the rest of my life... it seemed worth the money when I thought of it like that! Saying that though, going under the knife isn't for everybody. You're right, it's a huge decision! I was very worried like you, especially thinking about needles and someone cutting into me... and all for the sake of vanity, embarrassing... Plus you have to consider how your loved ones will react. All these things need thinking about. It took me months to take the plunge after a lot of thought, and personally felt it was the only solution for me. By the way, it was only painful for the first 48 hours, after that I healed up pretty quickly! I think it was my body going "what is this alien object in here!? ahh!" swelling up and going crazy, lol. But I took ibuprofen constantly and it blocked out the pain completely. It wasn't that bad at all. I am on day 16 now and my lips feel fine! They're getting softer and I can feel the implants less every day. As you can see from my review, I had quite a traumatic experience (oh the horrific swelling!) but the confidence boost it has given me has been well worth it. I would do it all again. I'm not trying to make you get surgery or anything, but if your lips are making you unhappy and fillers aren't doing it for you, I would seriously recommend the procedure. Give it some thought :) Hope this has helped xx
July 12, 2013
Meant to add I naturally have small lips, my upper lip was just silly so thin! Makes everything look more proportioned when its plump! Im hoping they may give me local anesthetic before needles as I would just freak out x
July 12, 2013
Ugh, I know what you mean. When you mentioned looking 'more proportioned' I have got to say, with a bigger upper lip my entire face looks different. The gap between my nose and mouth has been made smaller and more in proportion, my lower lip to chin gap looks smaller and more in proportion, my cheekbones stand out more when I smile... It's weird how just changing one feature has brought better proportions/symmetry to my whole face, it's amazing. I'm not sure if I was clear in my review but my surgeon injected me with local anesthetic while I was awake and not numbed or anything, and it hurt like hell. They did about 10 injections all around my face and into my lips (ouch). But once the anesthetic injections are out of the way you can pretty much relax while they do the procedure because you can't feel a thing except a bit of distant tugging. Weird feeling though! x
July 12, 2013
Thank you for posting this!!! I had my lips done 3 days ago (my dr. recommended 5mm). Right after surgery, when I saw myself, I thought "ok, not so bad". Day 2, like you, I saw myself in the mirror and thought "oh, my god, what did I do?". They were huge and so unnatural looking so I started freaking out. It's only been 3 days and my lips are still humongous, but it was a relief to see your post and pictures. It gives me hope that in the next few days I won't look so much like a plastic surgery victim.
July 12, 2013
You're welcome! Thanks for letting me know about your experience, it's good to know there are others in the same boat as I was, and it's even better to know my post helped you! I think by day 5 you will be really happy with your new look and your lips should 'deflate' by then (although we are all different so who knows, it could be day 3 or day 7.) I am on day 16 now and they my lips look even more natural now. I don't mean they've gone invisible, just less sausagey/tube-looking and more like lips. Good luck and congrats for going through with it :)
July 12, 2013
Ahh thank you:) yes it is scary! I wanted the microdroplet silicone but they don't do it in this country! It less invasive then the cutting lol! Still thinking about it and have found a place in Glasgow. I'm just sick of going through pain. Had teeth whitene today and in in agony! Never again lol x
July 28, 2013
Ahhh but "beauty is pain"! I always think that short term pain is worth it for a long term confidence boost :) x ps. my lips now feel completely normal and it's awesome!!!
UPDATED FROM Gemma1988
16 days post

Boyfriend & family return home and give their opinions!

Gemma1988
It's day 16 post op and everything is going great.

I can eat, drink, suck a straw, laugh, pull faces, everything! Except whistle, but that's the price you pay for full lips!
The implants are feeling softer, my lips are feeling more sensitive, and they're looking more natural, too. And by natural I don't mean my lips are deflating to their old thin size, I mean they are looking less balloon/tube-like and becoming more shapely, like lips. Less plastic looking and tight, but still full. I have uploaded a picture so you can see for yourself :)

*** BOYFRIEND'S OPINION & KISSING ***
My boyfriend returned home from holiday yesterday so I finally got to test out my lips with a new activity: kissing.
I can't purse my lips as tightly as I used to, you know when you pout your lips for kissing and they come together tightly in the middle? Well if I try to do that I can fit the tip of my little finger in there! I'm sure the implants will become more flexible with time.

So because of that our first kiss felt a little different. Also, I think because I've been so careful/gentle with my lips, they twinged with pain a little bit when he applied more pressure. I guess because I haven't been rough with them yet? My lips felt fine after the initial pang of pain, and we kissed a lot. I can confirm kissing at day 16 is all good.

I was a little worried if he thought I was kissing badly (lip sensitivity was at about 70% of normal I'd say, maybe because the nerve endings need to come back or something) because what I could feel felt nice, but I didn't know what it felt like for him.

I asked him if it felt weird. He said no it felt really nice, and he couldn't feel the implants. (yay!) He asked if he could feel them, so I got his finger and thumb and he felt my bottom lip and jokingly went, "eww!"
The boyfriend was initially against me getting the surgery (which I'm glad about, because any man who agrees and says "yeah you could do with some surgery!" isn't a keeper) but because he was so happy to see me after 2 weeks I don't think he cared!
I spent two days with him, and he said on the first day the change was noticeable, but by day two he'd gotten used to it already. So my lips must look natural then!

I think he thought I'd come back looking like a gross barbie doll with giant fish lips* (because, let's be honest that's what first comes to mind when you hear 'plastic surgery' or the word 'implants'!)
*Day 2 anyone?

I smiled a whole lot and I felt very pretty and confident and we had an amazing time together :)

*** FAMILY'S OPINION ***
As expected, my parents hate the whole thing and my dad won't stop going on about it. They think me having surgery is some big tragedy. They keep saying things like "We should have told you you were beautiful more..." but I told them all parents think their children are beautiful so it wouldn't have made any difference, lol.
Even if Jonny Depp himself flew over to my house in his private jet to call me beautiful, it would have felt good but it wouldn't have stopped me wishing my top lip was bigger every time I looked in the mirror... you know? It's a personal choice and people should respect that and keep their negative opinions to themselves.

It's like my dad wants me to feel bad and regret it, but I love my new look so it's causing a few arguments when I stick up for myself. I just feel like screaming in his face, especially when I came back from my boyfriend's and I was so high on life. Instead of asking if I had a good time my dad muttered disdainfully, "what did HE think?" wtf? What is your problem? My money, my choice, my life, not yours.

It annoyed me that my dad said some woman at his work who is 50 and has fillers/botox thought it was "horrendous" that I had surgery "so young". This really got on my nerves. Who's to say an older person has more right to looking good and feeling good about their appearance by surgery? Just because I am 22 doesn't mean I don't have the mental capacity to make my own well thought out decisions.

I have not liked this part of myself for 6 years, and tried to change it for 1 year, and thought about implants deeply for 3 months, but hey, I guess because you're 50 and wrinklier than me you deserve surgery more? Pfft, rubbish!

So that's a side note! Always be aware that people you tell WILL talk about you and judge you for it, so you might have to suck it up for a bit until everyone gets used to it.
People might react in ways you didn't expect, and they might not always be good. I didn't realise my dad would be so condescending/rude about me making this decision, while I didn't think my sister would be so kind and supportive, and I didn't think my boyfriend would react so wonderfully.

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July 18, 2013
That picture of you from July 4th is beautiful!! I'm so terrified of surgery, but I want fuller lips so so so so bad! I know all the tricks: lining your lips just outside the lines, no dark colored lipsticks, a dab of clear gloss in the middle of each lip, but I want to feel beautiful without taking all that time and I want the look to be permanent! I appreciate you sharing the unpleasant parts of your story, the drama with your family and such. I don't expect it to go well AT ALL if I should one day announce any plans for surgery. I'm a complete coward socially, so I will probably have it done secretly. :)
July 28, 2013
Aww thank you so much! You have listed all the things I used to do as well haha! No tricks ever worked for me :( I used to put lipstick around my lip line but it looked so dumb, plus I kept having to check myself in the mirror to see if it had smudged... Ugh. Ahhh yes there was a bit of drama I wasn't expecting unfortunately. When will people learn that your body is in fact, yours and not up for debate!? If you're doing this secretly I recommend a week hidden away somewhere lol :)
July 22, 2013
Thank you for an in depth and honest review. I have a first consultation with Dr. Roy Ng on friday, I'm so nervous! I'm really confused about what size to get, I want it to look natural and not like I've obviously had work done but so many reviewers say that the smaller implants don't make a difference?? So confused! xx
July 28, 2013
You are very welcome :) I would recommend the largest 5mm implants as now my swelling has completely subsided the difference is subtle but noticeable in a natural way. Any smaller and I think it'd be a waste of money! Hope this helps.
July 26, 2013
Thank you so much! I am on day 3 of the 5mm implants and I was getting really scared until I saw your posts! My day to day swelling matches yours so far and seeing this makes me feel so much better! :)) I'm glad you're happy with your results...you look fabulous!
July 28, 2013
I can't explain how happy I am to read this!! What I was going through was so awful, and I came to this forum looking for help but there weren't enough horrible pictures for comfort lol :( I was so scared my face had had some kind of allergic reaction to the silicone or something! I'm really glad my horror pics gave you some comfort hehe :) hope you heal well, and thank you very much
July 27, 2013
Steph91, Thank you so much for your wonderful, and very thorough, review! I'm quite a bit your senior (nearly 60), but have done my best over the years to care for my skin and to stay in shape. Last week, I had a FL. I feel for you as far as your dad's reaction goes, and I'm extremely proud of you for pushing back and standing up for your right to do what you want with your own face. My own father spent countless hours belittling my looks, to the point that I felt quite ugly and allowed myself to be pushed into an early marriage thinking I was lucky to get anyone. Big mistake. The man was an alcoholic who continued the same sort of comments I'd always gotten from my dad. On some level, I guess I just thought that I deserved it. Luckily, though, I wised up and moved on, eventually finding a wonderful man who treats me like a queen. He's always told me he thinks I'm gorgeous and, like your man, was somewhat skeptical about my plan to have a FL. But he understood and in the end he stood by me and has been helping me in my recovery. I wish you all the very best and can only say that I wish I'd had your guts when I was your age. You are a beauty.
July 28, 2013
Thank you so much for sharing your story, I'm glad you moved on and are finally being treated the way you deserve. No man should ever belittle a woman with her appearance, it's just cruel when we are told by the media everyday about how important it is! If you want to change something about yourself then you go right ahead. Congrats for having the courage to go ahead with FL. Thank you so much, I'm so glad I did it :)