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Permalip - Lots of Pictures and Info! - Glasgow, UK

UPDATED FROM Gemma1988
6 months post

Another thing...

Gemma1988
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The picture of me in the last post, I have to admit I had a bit of filler in my top lip about 2 months ago which is why it looks fuller than my first picture. I can't believe I resorted to filler after having a procedure done that was supposed to end all that :(

Hopefully my upper lip lift will be the end to this pointy, inverted, too-far-away-from-my-nose duck lip.

Wish me luck!

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Taimur Shoaib, MD

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January 4, 2014
Hi Stephen Why Belgium? X I'm thinking of lip lift too x
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January 4, 2014
Sorry it says Stephen.... stupid predict a text!!!! Lol x
January 12, 2014
Lol no worries! I chose Belgium because the only places in the UK who do lip lifts are in London. As I live in Manchester, I'd have to pay for a train to London which is pricey, then I'd have to pay £2-400 for a consultation with one of these respectable London surgeons, and even then they might say no and I would have wasted so much money getting there, and having to take time off work. The surgery in Belgium costed the same as it would in London - except I wouldn't have to waste hundreds on consultations and train tickets. With the Belgian surgeon I spent 50 euros to send him photos by email and for him to tell me if a lip lift was possible and to send me a detailed price plan. After I placed my deposit everything was sorted and definite. Also i get to see belgium! It's funny you call me Stephen actually, because the clinic I am going to specialises in facial surgery for women who were born in a male body x
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January 20, 2014
they must know there stuff then!! lol when are you going?? im going to have a look at the clinic your going to!! xx wish I could go with you n get it done together! cant see me getting the cash together this yr though!! im thinking of permalip in bottom lip and lift the top!! x
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January 20, 2014
does la belle forme not do liplift? im going to there open night tonight to see about permalip, I will ask if they do liplift x
January 21, 2014
Funny, I am replying to this 2 hours after I've got it done!!! It looks amazing so far and it's only day 1, I'll be sure to write a report as the days go by! Awww I would have loved a travel buddy lol :( it's kind of lonely being in a completely new country by yourself! But I'm glad i did it. I definitely recommend lip lift for the top lip - I wish Id never done lip implants and gone straight for lip lift! X
January 21, 2014
Sadly not, they only do lip fillers and permalip! x
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January 23, 2014
Stephen I asked him at labelled forme and he said he would do a lip lift if I wanted... x he would only give me permalip if I have had fillers before as he wanted to make sure I would like bigger lips. X
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January 23, 2014
Stephen again!!! Lol bloody kindle!!! Hehehe x
January 11, 2014
Hi Steph. I am interested in getting a lip lift or permalip. What is your opinion? Do you think that you should have had the lip lift rather than the permalip implants? Also which clinic are you booked in for in Belgium? I had my rhinoplasty a couple of months ago in Poland and had a great experience with the clinic there. If I decide to go ahead with the permalip procedure then I intend to book abroad again. However it is very difficult to find any clinics which perform this procedure. I would really appreciate your input. Thanks :)
January 12, 2014
Hi! Upon reflection, I probably should have gone with the lip lift first. Lip implants give you the effect of having plumper lips and stopping you from having to get any filler. It would have been better if I'd got the shape right first, before thinking of the plumpness of my lips. I'm going to a place called facialfeminization.eu which specialise in feminising the face. Their lip lifts are great! Hope this helped.
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January 26, 2014
Hi Steph91! I want to let you know that your story definitely had a lot of influence for me deciding to get my lips done...I took the plunge & am going on day 3 with my new Permalips and I am already SO happy I did it!!!!! I don't personally know of anybody who has this procedure done so I did a lot of online research. I didn't tell my parents but my sister spilled the beans and apparently that are not upset with me (too badly anyways, oh well it's already a done deal), thank goodness! I was seriously afraid they would completely disown me. My fiance has given me a lot of crap about it, but every once in a while he'll lighten up and tell me he thinks they are going to look great. My bottom lip is still pretty huge and not being able to drink through a straw is about to kill me! I'm currently using a dropper Lol! How long was it until you could drink through a straw?? I loved reading your review and I'm very proud of myself for not listening to others' negative opinions and doing this for myself :) You are a brave & beautiful lady!!!
January 26, 2014
I am so proud you took the plunge! It might not seem like it now but the results will be worth the drama. Your story is very similar to mine - everybody disagreed with me and thought I was ridiculous but it was worth it in the end! My boyfriend would go "ewwwww" and play around with my lips LOL. I'm sure your bf will think it's worth it when the swelling has gone down and you have beautiful lips :) That's crazy that you're so swollen you have to use a dropper.. I could use a small straw on day two I think? I remember getting very hungry lol, wasn't much fun. Thank you so much, I'm glad I inspired you and I hope the lip implants give you the look you want!!
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January 30, 2014
Hi Steph91, thank you & I apologize it took me a while to respond...I have been back at work :) I had my 1 week follow-up appointment this morning & they are healing very well :D I only wish they were bigger!! Lol. I got the largest size for both top & bottom but I had tiny lips to begin with and I'm really hoping my top lip doesn't go down anymore! I'll try & post pics soon. I'm very happy with them. Thank you for posting so many pics and being so out & open, it's greatly appreciated by me :)
January 30, 2014
Congratulations to you!!! I'm so pleased you're happy with it, I just hope that is the end for your journey to loving yourself - unlike me who just keeps on faffing. I can't wait to see pictures! Day 6 was when I started to look human again (lol). Good luck and you're so welcome!!!
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March 5, 2014
Hi Steph! I'm in the process of finding the right doctor to perform the Permalip procedure on both my upper and lower lips. The first doctor I had a consultation with said he typically only does the 4mm and would want to use that size for mine - and of course if I didn't think they were big enough I could always come back for the biggest size (which I was thinking right, at my expense and would I really want to have my lips redone right after they finished healing? No!). Thankfully they didn't charge me a consultation fee because I already had done quite a bit of research beforehand and didn't take up much of his time. The second doctor I saw was terrible. She was foreign (I live in Seattle) and just seemed sort of cold. She told me because my upper lip disappears when I smile that she would only do the smallest size, the 3mm, on my upper lip because otherwise it would show. To me that doesn't make sense.. if the silicone is so natural how would it show and isn't that the whole reason for this procedure? So my lip won't disappear when I smile? Right after that I was completely turned off by her and quite upset I had to spend $50 to essentially hear what I didn't want. She also told me I should get botox so my gums wouldn't show when I smile. I'm 28 but I've always looked younger and I'm definitely not starting the cycle of botox. From what you've said it sounds like your upper lip pretty much disappeared when you smiled as well, right? And your doctor recommended the 5mm? There is only one other doctor left that is experienced and listed on the Surgisil website but she is a ferry ride away from me and only does the upper and lower lip surgeries separately. Although I think it might be worth it to see her just to see what size she recommends me getting. Personally I want the 5mm because it's an expensive procedure (all the doctors quoted me $3000 but once I went into the office it became $3500 except for this last doctor I haven't seen who quoted me at $2600) but I would settle for the 4mm if this last doctor recommends the same. I'm just so appreciative of you documenting your process so well - I've brought your comparison photo from your lip lift review to my consultations and show the doctors as an example - so thank you!
March 5, 2014
Hi there! It's so nice to find someone else shares the same problem as me! You say your lip curls under when you smile like mine - and if you see my other review you'll see that I got a lip lift too. I would have recommended a lip lift before permalip implants to roll out the lip (the lip lift made a much bigger difference for me) however if you have a lot of gum show this makes me think it would be worsened by a lip lift! So permalip seems the right way to go. I would definitely recommend 5mm, it seems weird that you were recommended 4mm and a possible change to 5 later on? I was recommended 5mm - my surgeon said he only recommended this size as 3 and 4mm once healed don't make much of a difference. It seems to me like the surgeon wants you to come back and pay another load of money for 5mm implants once you don't see enough difference with 4mm. But I don't know. Thank you so much for the compliments! I'm just glad i could help - I understand your frustration entirely. Please ask as many questions as you want and I'll try my best to help!
March 5, 2014
Also just saying, my lip was the thinnest thing ever and the implants looked completely natural after. And they were the biggest size ones! And I have a lip when i smile now :)
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March 5, 2014
It doesn't so much as curl under as just disappears. My upper lip is close to my nose (about 14mm) so my lips are basically always apart at rest. And I do like the shape I just wish they were thicker. And what your doctor said makes complete sense! I don't know why I'm having such difficulties with these doctors. I just emailed the first one I had seen asking about the possibility of the biggest size. I think I would rather have the problem of them being slightly bigger than I imagined than being disappointed that they aren't big enough. Your lips look great! I'm so excited for mine to be bigger. I just did an Ask a Doctor post with photos (awaiting for it to be published) so I can get some recommendations :)
March 6, 2014
My lips weren't super thin to begin with and my doctor used the largest size. At first I was worried, but after the swelling went down, my lips looked only slightly larger than before I had the implants put in - not a drastic change at all. It's been over 6 months and I'm pleased with the end result and my lips look very natural.
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March 6, 2014
Steph, Tamuir [RS bleep]in glasgow has quoted me £1100 for liplift! Would u advise me do this first before implants? [RS bleep]
March 6, 2014
100% yes!! You might find your rolled out lip looks full enough that you don't need implants! How much has he recommended removing? Im no plastic surgeon but I would suggest 5mm for a visible result! [RS bleep]
March 6, 2014
I'm really happy for you! I think 5mm only made a subtle change to me too - but often I forget I've had filler and a lip lift so sometimes I thank the implants entirely for my new lips. Thanks for sharing :)
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March 6, 2014
ive not had a consultation for it yet, im actually having a consultation for eyelid surgery today at half 6. pooping myself as im getting it done awake!! :) I will get all healed from that first then I will arrange a consultation in Glasgow for lift then a implant only in bottom xx
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March 6, 2014
steph where are the injections put before you get a lift?? should I put emla around my mouth before I go in first?? lol (hate injections) x
March 6, 2014
14mm! Wow you're so lucky! Yeah I think your doctor should offer 5mm really, because the difference isn't so drastic as you'd think. I've heard 3mm is barely even noticeable! Thank you so much for your compliments and good luck!
March 6, 2014
Good luck! Wow you are really transforming yourself :) I hope you are happy with the results, make sure to keep updated!! xx
March 6, 2014
To be honest I was so out of it I can't even remember? I think the injections were under my nose and either side of my nostrils. I remember my eyes watering because it was so painful! But again I'd been drugged up so I was happy enough haha. Worth it :) xx
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March 6, 2014
Think I will stick emla on before the injections just so I dont feel them as much!! Lol dont fancy them much!! So no injections are in the mouth?? Just on the outside?? X Thanks for replying it helps alot xx
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April 10, 2014
I would absolutely go with the 5mm (the largest implant)!! I had a very thin upper lip and I got 5mm on both the top & bottom and I wish they had a 6 or even a 7mm. My top lip still looks thin (my bottom lip has always been twice the size of my top). Sure, I could have gotten the 4mm for the bottom lip to even it out a bit but I wanted the largest possible if I was paying that much money. I was afraid I wouldn't even be able to notice a 4mm. Regardless, I'm happy with my decision on the implant sizes. When I have lipstick on they look perfect, the color really evens them out. In a perfect world, I would have a 7mm on the top and a 5mm for the bottom lip. There is NO way I would have my top & bottom lips done separately!!! I strongly suggest finding a surgeon that will do both lips at once! There's too much recovery time to have them done at different times. I hope this helps! I'm working on posting pics of my before/after of Permalip. I am very happy compared to what my lips looked like before :) My surgery was on Jan. 23, 2014. They still feel very tight, but I'm trying to stay on top of my lip exercises. Oh, if you get the surgery...I could not drink out of a cup (felt too weird putting pressure on my bottom lip) and COULD NOT drink from a straw for 2 weeks!! I used a baby dropper for drinking and it worked wonderfully :) I avoided dairy for 2 weeks prior and used Arnica Montana gel AND pellets and did not bruise at all :D
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April 10, 2014
I would absolutely go with the 5mm (the largest implant)!! I had a very thin upper lip and I got 5mm on both the top & bottom and I wish they had a 6 or even a 7mm. My top lip still looks thin (my bottom lip has always been twice the size of my top). Sure, I could have gotten the 4mm for the bottom lip to even it out a bit but I wanted the largest possible if I was paying that much money. I was afraid I wouldn't even be able to notice a 4mm. Regardless, I'm happy with my decision on the implant sizes. When I have lipstick on they look perfect, the color really evens them out. In a perfect world, I would have a 7mm on the top and a 5mm for the bottom lip. There is NO way I would have my top & bottom lips done separately!!! I strongly suggest finding a surgeon that will do both lips at once! There's too much recovery time to have them done at different times. I hope this helps! I'm working on posting pics of my before/after of Permalip. I am very happy compared to what my lips looked like before :) My surgery was on Jan. 23, 2014. They still feel very tight, but I'm trying to stay on top of my lip exercises. Oh, if you get the surgery...I could not drink out of a cup (felt too weird putting pressure on my bottom lip) and COULD NOT drink from a straw for 2 weeks!! I used a baby dropper for drinking and it worked wonderfully :) I avoided dairy for 2 weeks prior and used Arnica Montana gel AND pellets and did not bruise at all :D
April 10, 2014
Did you have any problems with the stitches? I'm at the end of the 2nd day after I got top lip only and one side where my stitches are is a little sore. My sister made me laugh earlier today and I'm wondering if that had something to do with it. I looked and didn't see any loose string. I will keep an eye on it. It's like it feels funky but looks normal. What was your deal with stitches??
April 10, 2014
Oh the stitches ached like hell, it feels really weird doesn't it? I'm amazed you could even smile, I was so swollen up until day 3-4 I had to learn to laugh without smiling. Did you feel anything rip? Did you bleed? If not you probably just hurt your lip a little, be careful now! I'm sure you'll be fine, just make sure not to smile too wide and stay away from your sister!
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April 10, 2014
How often did you clean your incisions? The nurse I spoke with was telling me I would have to set my alarm throughout the night every 2 hrs to swab the corners with the vinegar solution so it wouldn't crust over. I didn't read anything about that on anyone's review and I'm thinking if I do finally fall asleep I won't want to be waking myself up that much. How often did you clean yours?
UPDATED FROM Gemma1988
6 months post

6 months on - not entirely happy! Please read on.

Gemma1988
After all the swelling subsided, I have to admit I was left feeling a little... deflated? (lol)

The list of reasons I hated my top lip before was endless. It was too thin, too pointy, it was downwards-facing (inverted), it was too far away from my nose for my liking, and when I smiled with teeth, my top lip seemed to disappear into my mouth.

I thought permalip would solve all those problems. But why would putting a tube of silicon in my lip suddenly move my lip upwards, magically give it and upward/outward curl? It was just going to thicken up what I've already got - I don't know why I hoped it would change the shape too. Perhaps I was a little naive.

If you are considering getting permalip implants - remember this. It is a silicon tube that is going into your lip. It's not going to magically change the shape of your lips! When I smile now, my upper lip still hides. Not as much as before, there is a little more lip show, but not enough. It does this because my lip points downwards and there isn't much 'red' of my lip showing naturally.

The gap between my nose and my mouth has been slightly rectified due to the thicker lip, but I do look a bit ducky from the side. I feel the implant has almost brought more attention to the pointyness of my lip, but has reduced the thinness. I think I prefer looking slightly duck-like to how I did before, but really I would love that gentle sloping curve from nose to mouth. I'd like my lip higher up, and rounder.

I have now booked myself in for an upper lip lift in Belgium to solve the inverted lip problem, so I'll write a review once I've gone through with it. Thanks for reading!

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT PERMALIP WILL NOT ALTER THE SHAPE OF YOUR LIPS, ONLY THE THICKNESS.

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September 14, 2015
Finally, has there been any muscular issues following the procedure? For example, when you smile, does it create a deeper line in your cheeks? Thank you. I am considering this procedure for this month.
UPDATED FROM Gemma1988
16 days post

Boyfriend & family return home and give their opinions!

Gemma1988
It's day 16 post op and everything is going great.

I can eat, drink, suck a straw, laugh, pull faces, everything! Except whistle, but that's the price you pay for full lips!
The implants are feeling softer, my lips are feeling more sensitive, and they're looking more natural, too. And by natural I don't mean my lips are deflating to their old thin size, I mean they are looking less balloon/tube-like and becoming more shapely, like lips. Less plastic looking and tight, but still full. I have uploaded a picture so you can see for yourself :)

*** BOYFRIEND'S OPINION & KISSING ***
My boyfriend returned home from holiday yesterday so I finally got to test out my lips with a new activity: kissing.
I can't purse my lips as tightly as I used to, you know when you pout your lips for kissing and they come together tightly in the middle? Well if I try to do that I can fit the tip of my little finger in there! I'm sure the implants will become more flexible with time.

So because of that our first kiss felt a little different. Also, I think because I've been so careful/gentle with my lips, they twinged with pain a little bit when he applied more pressure. I guess because I haven't been rough with them yet? My lips felt fine after the initial pang of pain, and we kissed a lot. I can confirm kissing at day 16 is all good.

I was a little worried if he thought I was kissing badly (lip sensitivity was at about 70% of normal I'd say, maybe because the nerve endings need to come back or something) because what I could feel felt nice, but I didn't know what it felt like for him.

I asked him if it felt weird. He said no it felt really nice, and he couldn't feel the implants. (yay!) He asked if he could feel them, so I got his finger and thumb and he felt my bottom lip and jokingly went, "eww!"
The boyfriend was initially against me getting the surgery (which I'm glad about, because any man who agrees and says "yeah you could do with some surgery!" isn't a keeper) but because he was so happy to see me after 2 weeks I don't think he cared!
I spent two days with him, and he said on the first day the change was noticeable, but by day two he'd gotten used to it already. So my lips must look natural then!

I think he thought I'd come back looking like a gross barbie doll with giant fish lips* (because, let's be honest that's what first comes to mind when you hear 'plastic surgery' or the word 'implants'!)
*Day 2 anyone?

I smiled a whole lot and I felt very pretty and confident and we had an amazing time together :)

*** FAMILY'S OPINION ***
As expected, my parents hate the whole thing and my dad won't stop going on about it. They think me having surgery is some big tragedy. They keep saying things like "We should have told you you were beautiful more..." but I told them all parents think their children are beautiful so it wouldn't have made any difference, lol.
Even if Jonny Depp himself flew over to my house in his private jet to call me beautiful, it would have felt good but it wouldn't have stopped me wishing my top lip was bigger every time I looked in the mirror... you know? It's a personal choice and people should respect that and keep their negative opinions to themselves.

It's like my dad wants me to feel bad and regret it, but I love my new look so it's causing a few arguments when I stick up for myself. I just feel like screaming in his face, especially when I came back from my boyfriend's and I was so high on life. Instead of asking if I had a good time my dad muttered disdainfully, "what did HE think?" wtf? What is your problem? My money, my choice, my life, not yours.

It annoyed me that my dad said some woman at his work who is 50 and has fillers/botox thought it was "horrendous" that I had surgery "so young". This really got on my nerves. Who's to say an older person has more right to looking good and feeling good about their appearance by surgery? Just because I am 22 doesn't mean I don't have the mental capacity to make my own well thought out decisions.

I have not liked this part of myself for 6 years, and tried to change it for 1 year, and thought about implants deeply for 3 months, but hey, I guess because you're 50 and wrinklier than me you deserve surgery more? Pfft, rubbish!

So that's a side note! Always be aware that people you tell WILL talk about you and judge you for it, so you might have to suck it up for a bit until everyone gets used to it.
People might react in ways you didn't expect, and they might not always be good. I didn't realise my dad would be so condescending/rude about me making this decision, while I didn't think my sister would be so kind and supportive, and I didn't think my boyfriend would react so wonderfully.

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July 18, 2013
That picture of you from July 4th is beautiful!! I'm so terrified of surgery, but I want fuller lips so so so so bad! I know all the tricks: lining your lips just outside the lines, no dark colored lipsticks, a dab of clear gloss in the middle of each lip, but I want to feel beautiful without taking all that time and I want the look to be permanent! I appreciate you sharing the unpleasant parts of your story, the drama with your family and such. I don't expect it to go well AT ALL if I should one day announce any plans for surgery. I'm a complete coward socially, so I will probably have it done secretly. :)
July 28, 2013
Aww thank you so much! You have listed all the things I used to do as well haha! No tricks ever worked for me :( I used to put lipstick around my lip line but it looked so dumb, plus I kept having to check myself in the mirror to see if it had smudged... Ugh. Ahhh yes there was a bit of drama I wasn't expecting unfortunately. When will people learn that your body is in fact, yours and not up for debate!? If you're doing this secretly I recommend a week hidden away somewhere lol :)
July 22, 2013
Thank you for an in depth and honest review. I have a first consultation with Dr. Roy Ng on friday, I'm so nervous! I'm really confused about what size to get, I want it to look natural and not like I've obviously had work done but so many reviewers say that the smaller implants don't make a difference?? So confused! xx
July 28, 2013
You are very welcome :) I would recommend the largest 5mm implants as now my swelling has completely subsided the difference is subtle but noticeable in a natural way. Any smaller and I think it'd be a waste of money! Hope this helps.
July 26, 2013
Thank you so much! I am on day 3 of the 5mm implants and I was getting really scared until I saw your posts! My day to day swelling matches yours so far and seeing this makes me feel so much better! :)) I'm glad you're happy with your results...you look fabulous!
July 28, 2013
I can't explain how happy I am to read this!! What I was going through was so awful, and I came to this forum looking for help but there weren't enough horrible pictures for comfort lol :( I was so scared my face had had some kind of allergic reaction to the silicone or something! I'm really glad my horror pics gave you some comfort hehe :) hope you heal well, and thank you very much
July 27, 2013
Steph91, Thank you so much for your wonderful, and very thorough, review! I'm quite a bit your senior (nearly 60), but have done my best over the years to care for my skin and to stay in shape. Last week, I had a FL. I feel for you as far as your dad's reaction goes, and I'm extremely proud of you for pushing back and standing up for your right to do what you want with your own face. My own father spent countless hours belittling my looks, to the point that I felt quite ugly and allowed myself to be pushed into an early marriage thinking I was lucky to get anyone. Big mistake. The man was an alcoholic who continued the same sort of comments I'd always gotten from my dad. On some level, I guess I just thought that I deserved it. Luckily, though, I wised up and moved on, eventually finding a wonderful man who treats me like a queen. He's always told me he thinks I'm gorgeous and, like your man, was somewhat skeptical about my plan to have a FL. But he understood and in the end he stood by me and has been helping me in my recovery. I wish you all the very best and can only say that I wish I'd had your guts when I was your age. You are a beauty.
July 28, 2013
Thank you so much for sharing your story, I'm glad you moved on and are finally being treated the way you deserve. No man should ever belittle a woman with her appearance, it's just cruel when we are told by the media everyday about how important it is! If you want to change something about yourself then you go right ahead. Congrats for having the courage to go ahead with FL. Thank you so much, I'm so glad I did it :)