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Mini (MACS) Facelift in office under local: descriptions, experience

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Issues: 40 years old, slightly sagging jowls,...

WORTH IT$5,000
Issues: 40 years old, slightly sagging jowls, naso-labial, marionette. Have been doing Resty filler in tear-troughs and on cheeks for two years (every 5 months). Up to 2 syringes.

Research: I think that it is a bit difficult to talk about a procedure because the terms mean different things to different doctors. While I felt that "mini" meant that it would be short-scar and certainly no brow lifting (this seems consistent with all docs), I was also thinking mini was more like a Lifestyle lift: a pull up of skin, excision, stitch.

Probably, what is a mini means to the good, board certified in plastics surgeons, is that the muscle, fat and fascia are adjusted. What this means: Your facial skin is lifted up off of your muscle, with forceps and stretching, your facial muscles are repositioned, anchored, and then your skin is re-draped and sutured (after having excess cut away). you wear a compress for a week, in order that your skin can re-adhere to your facial muscles.
I believe that all mini-lifts, whatever the degree of work, can be done in the office, under local anesthetic. I abhor the idea of "going under," (and never waking again: irrational, but it's my thinking). So an office procedure under local anesthetic, combined with the description "mini," seemed like a good option for me.

While I thought "mini" was mainly about pulling skin and muscle, together, that's because I didn't (and don't, i'm a layman trying to explain what I researched and experienced) understand the anatomy, I had a vision of the procedure that was more Lifestyle Lift, ie skin-only, than what my doctor meant, which was muscle repositioning. So, it is important to know what *your doctor* means when s/he uses the terms: they may define mini as a short-scar, but they can also mean it to mean no SMAS work, or, yes SMAS work. You have to clarify these terms, so you can better compare apples to apples in terms of price, amount of work done, recovery time, etc.

The experience: My doctor meant that a mini-lift means SMAS work (which I needed, he is right to do that for me, I just didn't fully understand it). arrive at office having not eaten for 8 hours, take valium, rest in chair while lines are drawn on face and the doc and PA prepare. Local anasthesia is injected in various points on one side of the face, the face numbs, and the cutting begins. OK: You're awake. You hear everything. They're working right by your ears. Your skin is much, much thicker and tougher than you think: it sounds like thick carpet being cut into. You feel a bit of blood dripping, you hear the doc ask for forceps: Your skin will be lifted up off of your muscles. riiiiipppp. yikes. If you have ever considered doing meditation as a practice for calming the mind, start at least a month before you experience a fully-awake (no pain: I swear there was no pain) facelift. There is a tool that is electric, like a soldering iron, that probably cauterizes the wound and squelches bleeding (I *think* that's what's going on, but I'm not certain). So, you smell your burning flesh. They use this tool a lot. It takes about 2 hours on one side, 2 on the other (maybe slightly less, from initial numbing to suturing closed). You feel the sutures pulling up, bunching up your muscles, it's like drawing a very thick drawstring bag closed.
This experience is not to be taken on lightly: you can't have music in your ears, as the doc has to ask you often if you feel anything, if you're doing ok; such is the nature of local anesthetic. The virtue of the in-office local anesthetic procedure is that it cuts the cost (of the exact same) procedure about in half. The hospital OR, and the anesthesiologist, are very expensive, so you go through this surreal experience but you save perhaps in some cases 50%.

I was just not mentally prepared, so that's why I'm writing all this down. You have to know yourself, whether this is the kind of thing you can get through. I could and did, but it took focus.

Recovery:
1 day post-op: extreme swelling horizontally across the mid-face, ear to ear. It is very unsettling to look at, it is an aesthetically horrible weirdness, but: no bruising, no pain.
Day 2: the same. took hot shower to wash off dried blood in hair, around ears, and to encourage lymphatic drainage. Iced face 3times. took codeine at night, slept on couch with head elevated.
day 3: the same, slightly less swelling. You start to think: My god, I look like an alien AND ALWAYS WILL. relax: if you, or your kids, have every sprained an ankle, you know what swelling is. It's gross and bizarre, but not permanent.
day 4: the same, slightly less swelling.

I keep my compression bandage on 24/7, remove to apply heat for lymphatic drainage (microwaved heat compress) and ice 3x day.

will update as days progress. might get brave to post photos.

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May 27, 2013

Thanks for your great review! I love the detail and your day-by-day account of how you felt. Looking forward to seeing how you heal. And I hope you get brave enough to post photos because I'd love to be able to see what you're describing.

I think I'd still rather be knocked out, but I totally understand not wanting to go under, too!

When do you think you'll go out in public for the first time?

May 28, 2013
day 5 i would still scare children and give strokes to old folks, so no venturing forth yet. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/deltron/gangy.jpg - from Arrested Development
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May 28, 2013

When you do go out, let us know how it goes!

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March 24, 2015
Extremely well written. Nice natural results. Thanks for educating us.
April 23, 2015
My God thanks God that my mini lift is with anesthesia , thanks for the explanation plus my andxtesia is on like $1 ,500 is worth it!
April 24, 2015
Thank you so very much for your honesty and sharing!!!
April 24, 2015
What you have described as your experience under oral medication with local injection Is Not the experience that everyone has. I have spoken with 10 patients (in anticipation of eye sx under local with this dr) of a PS who uses this protocol exclusively for all face procedures and No one remembers smelling anything, feeling blood dripping, hearing the crunch of cutting thru skin/Smas tissue. In fact most don't even have any recollection of awareness during the numbing injections. Perhaps the degree of awareness and sensation is a function of the oral medication given. Personally I would want the no-sensations practitioner. Talking with many patients ahead of scheduling should allow for a prospective patient to understand what to expect. Apparently while oral with local is a pretty standard anesthetic protocol the effect on a patient's experience is remarkably different from one PS to another. Btw the PS whose patients I spoke with is Dr Harley in Asheville, NC
UPDATED FROM This Too Shall Pass
4 days post

swelling and the mental process, day 5

day 5, today, is about the day when my mental resolve of "this too shall pass (in this instance, i mean the swelling)" started to waver. the husband suggested i call the doc and double-check that pumpkin-head is actually normal: thanks for the support, husband! oh, sigh. it's very unsettling to look freakish, and so i hope that the link above will help direct folks to a better description of what to except when you're recuperating, and look freakish: weirdly asymmetrical, bumpy, lumpy, garish yellow, bobble-headed pumpkin face. it takes a toll on your mental resolve.

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May 29, 2013
Wonderful account. Very detailed. I'm going for a consult in a week sooooo...thank you for writing this down.
May 22, 2015
hahaha... I know how you feel, it will all worth it !!
January 12, 2017
Loved your detailed account, thank you for that :) I went for a consult today, can you tell me how you are now and if all of the pumpkin faced, abnormal stuff is gone and you are happy?
May 2, 2017
I'm totally and completely happy: did you read my last posts? i continue to get voluma in the cheeks, botox in the 11s, but the lift and skin excision means no pillow face.
April 30, 2017
Reading your comments regarding your mini lift, just what I needed to have on day 6th of enduring my own pumpkin head! I laughed hysterically! Thank you and your husband, (my husband asked who beat you up?)
May 2, 2017
Now, so much time has passed, it's like it never happend. You too will be back to a better normal :)
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7 days post

day 7, stitches out, ventured into the world

face is not pumpkin bobble-head-size, but it's lumpy, bruised, mishapen, and healing perfectly well according to the ps. went to grocery store, ran errands, thinking that we tend not to really look at each other in public (which i think for the most part was my experience). i still cannot tell what improvements i'll have from the surgery (was hoping for less jaw saggage, naso labial smoothing), so guess you really can't know until the majority of the swelling is down.

i myself would not feel comfortable being around people i know, ie at work or with family: still look too strange, and certainly it's obvious what i had done.

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May 31, 2013
This Too Shall Pass, I loved your take on your experience and see much truth in what you are saying about preparation. I did a full FL with upper eyes and was in surgery for 6 hours. My local had me waking periodically and speaking with the doctor as well, but it actually made me feel better to know I was in the process. I seem to remember joking with him about my hair and cautioning them about keeping it intact! But such was my relationship with my PS. I personally think you are at a point Post Op where it's quite difficult emotionally. I can assure you as many others will here too that there is a day where you will wake up and think Oh!... energy level is better, numbness and swelling not so bad or shifted...and you just feel slightly more normal. I've said before on these boards that no way this is just a two week recovery... 3 weeks seems to be the turning point for most of us. Having said that at Day 16 tomorrow I feel confident to go out in my first social event with another couple. However there is confidence in 'trying yourself out' in a safe environment with someone who knows you've had this done or that you trust. Scarfs are my mainstay at this point since I still have much bruising on my neck that is yellow but I like scarfs so I'm ok with that. You will be fine and sound like you have good support as I did from your husband. So just think in another week and a half how far you will have progressed! Oh... and eat healthy foods! Nutrition is so critical to healing mentally and physically! :) Best to you and let us know how you progress.
June 2, 2013
:) we'll get through this.