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Breaks My Heart to Have This Poor, Muddled Review- I Wanted a Different Story - Mexico

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I spent over 4 years researching options for my...

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I spent over 4 years researching options for my face. I tried many non-surgical approaches. Although relatively young (currently 47), I went into menopause at 41 years old and feel that my face took a pretty rough hit. Starting in 2012 I spoke with a variety of doctors at home and abroad. Everyone had something different to say about what I "needed". I went around and around, talking to many different patients, and thinking and researching extensively. I almost made the decision to go with an expensive plastic surgeon in my home town but ultimately and in the last moment decided not to when I went a final "pre" appointment and the receptionist had neglected to tell me the doctor would have to be in surgery. I had cancelled patients of my own to see him and worked my whole day around this appointment. It was important to me. When I showed up to the fancy top-shelf office it was clear she had just neglected to call me. She was on the phone making a personal call and was surprised to see me. This really upset me. It was at this point I decided to go go full circle and return to Pat Marino and FaceLift Mexico. I had been carrying a torch for this destination site for a variety of reasons including- recovery away from home (did not want my husband and kids involved AT ALL), use of local anesthesia (I had a terrible reaction to general previously), 2 day hospital stay (this should be mandatory in the USA!) and the conservative results. I did not want to look pulled, like my cheeks were kissing my ears. I just wanted to look refreshed. I didn't want to always look tired and sad. I corresponded with two amazing women who had fantastic results. Conservative, but nice. So I finally settled on FaceLift Mexico. My husband was really not on board but finally gave in.
I still can't believe it happened, and more than that I can't believe how badly it ended when it didn't have to. For whatever reason- although I followed all the rules to the letter and primarily slept and rested, I had a difficult recovery. A few days into my stay at the casa I had to be driven back to the hospital because there was something in my neck. Dr. K removed it, but everything happened so fast and in Spanish I don't really know what happened. Nonetheless the left side of my neck still looks bad. I am embarrassed by it and hide it with my hair. The worst part though was that I ended up with an exterior aneurysm next to my stitches under my hair on the right side of my head. It was a lump. I went to many doctors and eventually found myself with a plastic surgeon at home who took pity on me and assisted me with this issue. First he tried to drain it and (sorry, but true) it started energetically spurting blood. The surgeon applied pressure and it calmed down. He said he had never seen anything like it but thought it was the product of a nicked artery in surgery. This fancy SF surgeon never once blamed the original surgeon Dr. K. In fact, he said it was not the surgeon's fault (he said, this is just what I warn patients about, meaning if an issue comes up and the surgeon is not there). I had been trying to keep all this from my husband because I didn't want to upset him or cause him to think poorly of my decision. So the issue was just that I was home and did not have Dr. K to assist me, a REAL risk with going abroad). I didn't know what to do. I missed a lot of work trying to sort it out. And I felt that Pat and Dr. K were not understanding- instead of asking me how they could help me in this terrible situation I was accused of being naive. After a week of waiting the lump had not changed and I was due to fly on a long-planned trip to to London with my mother on Sept 5. It had been exceedingly difficult to have anybody take me on at home as I was having troubles (let's not even talk about behind my left ear). Finally, when I broke down sobbing in the local surgeon's office he agreed to fit me into his surgery schedule the next day so I could go to NY on the 5th. The added cost?? 350 initial visit and 4,500 surgery. I had been communicating with Pat and even Dr. K up until this point. They were in complete disagreement with my course of action. They felt it was a cyst. Pat questioned my intelligence and stated that this surgeon should be reported to the board for charging that much and not running CT Scan. I felt utterly lost and attacked. I did not have the 4500 dollars for surgery but what was I to do? When you have an exterior aneurism on your head, and you can feel it pulsing, and you've seen the surgeon jump back when he tried to drain it, and finally the plastic surgeon says: Well, if it starts to bleed unexpectedly quickly apply compress and get quickly to the nearest ER, when all of this is happening and the people you trusted in Mexico are becoming attacking and hysterical, well, it is the worst. I could have waited and had more evaluations etc. for this lump but it would have meant more time off work, more begging to get into see people, more quizzical medical assistants looking over their heads. I chose surgery. I feel horrible, sad that things were left so poorly with Pat and Dr. K, sad I had to manage this on my own (and then bring my husband in when more surgery was required). Also sad about the money. But it's the relationships that feel the worst right now.

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September 6, 2016
I am so sorry to hear about this happening. Because of my BA post surgery complications (performed in Dallas), I stayed an extra 10 days at Casa Marino wanting to be completely SURE that nothing would happen. Going out of your city to have surgery performed is a gamble, but I have to ask US doctors why they are so resistant to treat someone in need? Liability? Every person is different and every surgery is major. Support from Fabiola & Pat is necessary just by virtue of how Dr Koellicker has left patient coordination with them.
I'm sorry you had this experience. I can imagine that Dr K is as upset about your complications as you are.
Don't worry about anything you said. This is an emotional business Pat has taken on & everyone blasts at one time. Mine was over generic Diet Coke & having to sign a chit sheet every time I took something from the fridge! I'm glad you are better. Money is money and never trumps your health. All the best!
September 6, 2016
Wow ! Feel bed for you. I had surjery 3 months ago. My face feels numb on my right side . Tears are dripping from both eyes and pain by my temple.
September 6, 2016
I'm sorry you didn't get the results you'd hoped for. You're not the first who has had problems with Guillermo Koelliker and from what I have seen, Casa Marino is quite a hard sell. I initially looked into it but decided to stay in the US for surgery. I hope it all works out for you, and thanks for sharing. DO NOT let anyone try to manipulate you into thinking you over reacted, especially Casa M.
September 7, 2016
I'm so sorry. I hope you're recovering well.
September 7, 2016
Dr. K doesn't know what he's doing. I am left with huge, misplaced scars, and the original neck lift I wanted was never performed - only liposuction. The whole trip caused me almost $15,000, and I look just as bad as I did beforehand, except with a lot more scarring. You can read the doctor's answers to my questions about his work. He either needs to improve/upgrade his skills and knowledge, or stop performing surgery. I am deeply bitter. I am only waiting for my three-month mark so that Pat can't tell me I'm still swollen (another load of crap). They are getting rich off of our hardships.
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September 7, 2016
Your comments are a bit over the top. "Stop performing surgery"..."getting rich off of our hardships"? Yes, you most definitely are bitter but for those of us who had excellent results, it is slightly offensive.
September 7, 2016
Have you seen howdoyouknow's scars? The surgeon should be ASHAMED of himself for what he did to her. Furthermore, your results are fairly recent, and there is swelling - please let us know how your neck and facelift look after 1 year, because others who went to Dr K had decent results right after the surgery but then the skin sagged within a year. That's the problem when you get a skin only facelift - it sags back to the original position you got surgery for in the first place.
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September 7, 2016
Thank you for wishing me well and hoping your results were an anomaly. I do not think your bitterness is well placed in a forum meant for an exchange of information and personal experience. Yes, I will post my progress, along with all my health variables. Best of luck to you. Please try to move forward in a positive, healing direction.
September 9, 2016
This is a forum in which information and personal experience should be shared, and if her "personal experience" has left her bitter...then she has the right to share that with others. I'm happy that you've had excellent results, but for you to be "offended" by her remarks...That's a little bit over the top. Not everyone can be as lucky as you. There are some of us who have been left butchered. And we have just as much right as you do, to share our experience. As someone who was left with "excellent" results, you haven't the slightest idea of what an emotional, mental, physical and financial toll being left butchered has on a person. So, unless you can empathize or show compassion, the last thing HowDoYouKnow needs,
is being chastised for her opinion.
November 3, 2016
Eli123456, Exactly and well said. It breaks my heart when someone posts a review or update, seeking support and understanding, and someone responds with criticism and blame.
June 10, 2018
You’re so right. My neck is starting to sag and it has only been 3 month after surgery. It was great while I was swollen . And my one side has wide scars . Im wondering if hi assistant did one side. Hmmm how would I know ? Plus the fat injection on the lips was a waste of 600 $ and he never did my eyes or upper forehead . Basically got a neck lift that isn’t lasting more than two months and with huge scars . I havent heard from Pat since.I wish I read these before .
April 26, 2021
Thank you all for posting your truth
April 26, 2021
Offensive or not, a face/neck lift is so personal that no one can judge another's feelings, even bitterness. Being promised one thing, having a realistic expectation, and getting another after a LOT of money is never "over the top". While you may have received the outcome you expected, these people did not and it's heartbreaking. And just because the surgeon got it right a few more times than wrong, doesn't mean he shouldn't stop performing surgery. Your response is "slightly offensive" and wholly insensitive.
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I'm so sad and upset about this. I feel just broken-hearted. I used all my money, I'm one of the unlucky ones here. I know some people have had good results.

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September 9, 2016
I'm so very sorry that you are going through this hardship. I went through a botched procedure this Summer, and the emotional toll (as well as financial) can be incredibly devastating. I wouldn't wish my results of my procedure on my worst enemy. Have you been in contact with your initial Surgeon? What is his policy on re-vision work?
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September 10, 2016
Hi, I've just read your moving review and wanted to say how horrified I am at the attitude of Drs both where you had your procedure, and back home in US. Here in UK too, there is the 'taboo' of going abroad for surgery, despite excellent results for many. And let's face it, US would be counted as 'abroad' for me, likewise UK for you - making that assumption pretty meaningless! I'm dreadfully sorry for your continuing worrying symptoms & how local Drs have not wanted to get involved (in that scary head lump particularly). As well as the disappointment & disillusionment, anyone would be out of their minds with anxiety. I think what I'm trying to say is I really hope above all else that you can find a sympathetic Dr to help you and who will not 'blame' you for something that is no way your fault. A lot of us feel guilt at having cosmetic procedures, even when things go well. The illogical thing is that, that guilt seems to increase when they don't go well. You did nothing wrong and need comfort and sympathy above everything now. I know you said your husband was against your decision, but I hope he is now now there for you. No-one human could take the 'I told you so' stance that maybe your deflated mindset might presume others are thinking? Please don't stop looking for an empathic/empathetic(?) Dr out there, there must be one for you and I'm really hoping you find him/her soon. You are not responsible for ANY of this, regardless of whether it is elective surgery or not. Wishing you love, strength. and a big warm hug for your search for support and recovery xx
September 12, 2016
I am so sorry for this experience but your comments are really valuable for others to read . All surgery is a risk and your results could easily happen - and do- right here in the US. Regarding what is going on behind your ear, what is recommended and is it an infection? Are you on antibiotics?
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September 20, 2016
I feel so badly that you have to go through this. Yes, I did have a horrific experience with a simple breast implant procedure in 1992. Can't blame it on the surgeon-but everything that could go wrong did. It all began with my sister talking me into having them done while she was moonlighting for a Dallas PS. Her friend was the nurse anesthetist and sis would be my post-op caretaker. Okay! Sounds like a plan! Put my 4 kiddies (aged 2, 6, 8 & 11) into the van and drove from LA to Dallas(22 hrs) for summer vacation.
To make it more fun, my brother-in-law went to stay with a guy friend. Morning of surgery, my sister tells me she's serving him with divorce papers & she's so glad I came. Okay. When I come out of the anesthesia, I had a "lift", the implant inserted above muscle and since it went so quickly, my taxi cab ears pinned. Sis was good to her word and took me back to her gorgeous house, watched all the children while I recuperated--which did not go quickly, at all. Day 5, a vessel blew and my left breast blew up & doubled in size. Sis told me it would be fine...body would eventually reabsorb the blood. I.e. Suck it up. After it grew a little larger and I was getting light headed, she called the doctor, her friend and back we went into surgery! All fixed but remember that pesky man who was served divorce papers? Well his patience had run thin with my sis using me as the excuse for not discussing with him.
Back to my Architect husband in California. Just started a huge commercial renovation project and was not keen in the least that I was having elective surgery but would not interfere. After staying 2 days in a hotel, I realized there was absolutely no way I could drive back to California and would have to call him. Of course he came, never made a negative comment about my jumping into it and had a lovely trip back home. I swore I would never have elective or ANY surgery without having at least 2 reliable post op sources lined up. My comments have been "over the moon" happy because of having such a horrific experience in 1992.
Please know I do empathize and wish you a speedy recovery.
September 27, 2016
I am right there with you, Bay Area. I am saving every penny now to have this work redone. I can't wait to see the doctor in my home city to see what can and can't be fixed. He won't touch me until June, though. And I will have to put off having my breast reduction because of this. I still have a MASSIVE neck, which was the whole entire point of this costly surgery! Not to mention all of the scars I'm terrified that anyone at work might see. It has completely changed my life.