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Ghavami Rhino: Nightmare on Camden Street

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Dr. Ghavami and I didn’t see eye to nose. He...

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Dr. Ghavami and I didn’t see eye to nose. He thinks my nose looks good while I think not only does it not look good, it looks worse than before surgery. He attempted to fix a deviated septum and refine a bulbous tip. There was slight improvement in the very upper part of my nose where there was an unevenness between the left and right sides; however, my tip and nostrils are now much worse. Three years post surgery, I still have a deviated septum, a ball like round tip, flared and wide nostrils, deep alar creases, left notched nostril, low bridge, highly projected tip, tip and lip droopiness and slight loss of upper lip motion (which may or not be temporary). I hate how I now look in photos; there is only one good angle (my right side profile) where the bulbousity and flared nostrils do not show. On my social network profiles it’s apparent that since my surgery all of my photos are of a right side view only with my lips closed. Although I don’t Photoshop, I have occasionally resorted to shrinking my nose on my phone photo app when a straight on photo reveals an unbalanced face because of my nose.
In each of the three years after my primary rhino, I asked my doctor for a revision. In the first year he explained it was too early as the nose had to heal; the second year he didn’t agree to a revision (therefore I started seeking outside opinions). In that second year he gave me a shot (kenalog I believe) in my tip to shrink scar tissue that had formed; the third year he said he could see what I was upset about and agreed to a tip revision. He gave me a 2nd kenalog shot. A few months later at the revision pre-op appointment - he changed his mind because swelling had subsided and he now thought my nose looked good. Instead of completely scrapping the revision, he shortened the columella in an office procedure not without telling me they normally don’t do comp revisions at year three. But the problem had been there since year one???? I was grateful for the improvement as my columella had been hanging very low; however, the tip and nostril flaws were still apparent. Months later, I approached him once more. His response to my revision request was that he ‘was done with my nose’ and that if I wanted it revised I would have to go elsewhere. He likened me to Michael Jackson seeking perfection. I don’t know why he said that - it’s not as if he had revised my nose again and again yet I was still unsatisfied. I got the impression that he thought I was complaining about a new problem every time he saw me yet they were the same problems that were there since year one! I wasn’t expecting perfection; however, I was expecting to look better than I did before surgery.
Over the last two years I have consulted with A LOT of revision experts. Their recommendations ran the gamut from ‘do nothing’ to complete reconstruction including the septum using rib bone. I think that some of the doctors that said ‘do nothing’ (including my own) looked at my static nose in a snippet of office time whereas I live with it dynamically 24/7. I see in pics a shapeless and flabby nose … I sense how my nostrils flare when I smile thus I now halt at a grin, I feel that when I speak my upper lip lags a bit and it didn’t before. During my consults with these ‘do nothing’ doctors - not one of them asked me to smile for them nor did they ask to see old photos to compare what my nose looked like now to what it looked like before. If they had they would have seen my results were not an improvement; specifically when I smile. Instead of doing these things, they would enter the consult room to the right of me (my good side), peek at my static nose, and say ’what are you talking about…it looks good!”.
To be fair to Dr. Ghavami, many of the other doctors I consulted with said he is a reputable rhinoplasty surgeon and that I should go back to him. One highly respected doctor said due to my skin thickness I was a difficult case to begin with. My tendency to scar had a great deal of impact on how my nostrils and tip shape formed. I also believe that he thought my nose didn’t look all that bad and that was why he was unwilling to take a risk to operate on me again and make my nose look worse. He even told me that my nose wasn’t all that bad to begin with - which I think implies I shouldn’t have taken a risk in having the primary surgery. If that’s the case, then why was he willing to operate on me (and take my money) in the first place? . If the doctor is unwilling to perform risky revision; that’s understandable…but there must be at least some less risky small aesthetics improvements that could be made? Reduce nostril width, narrow the skin at the columella, perhaps lift the tip with a suture, some filler in the empty part of the upper nose?
Dr. Ghavami ‘s office was made aware of this review in advance as I sent it to him along with photos. I wanted to give an opportunity for response prior to posting this irrevocable review. They did respond, which I appreciate…they thanked me for letting them know but maintain ‘that your results are wonderful and your photos reflect that. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors with surgery”
Yes, wish me luck that I am successful when I fork out the dough to pay for costly revision with someone else that hopefully has follow through.

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October 25, 2015
I am feeling upset for you. I absolutely understand the frustration of what you may be feeling! It sounds like you went through more than necessary. I, too need total reconstruction, yet after a laser gone wrong to my face, I'm not sure what to do! I've heard the type of humiliating nonsense too; worked in this arena and had it happen to me personally. Did you pay for all these procedures once the first failed? Did you get other opinions afterwards? How are you doing?
October 25, 2015
I only have the post op pics from laser. I need septopasty with rhinoplasty, which needed to be done awhile ago! Now, I'm afraid to get the help I need! I just went through the worst ordeal yet! I am in an HMO, so I returned two days ago, after a yr of following a strict protocol; Polonaris OTC oil, steroid sprays! After nine mos there one doctor was due to perform surgery, as the other ENT felt I needed a surgeon with more experience! I finally had the chance to follow-up! The once seemingly decent Doctor became so vastly abusive, at this time I cannot talk about what he said or did! I've worked with great doctors all over, and sadly have seen many who do not belong in any field of medicine! I'm one of the most down to earth, and caring individuals! Someone asked me, if going public made this doctor treat me beyond what most people have endured? It's a question as of tonight I'm beginning to wonder! It's a very tight knit community amongst doctors! I had both a doctors wife and a ER surgeon tell me, go to another state, and do not discuss what happened to you! Isn't that a total shame!
October 25, 2015
the only thing I have done to my nose is in the first year dr. G. cut out a small sharp protrusion from under my columella. This wasn't cosmetic. The second procedure was when he shortened the columella. I paid for anesthesia both times...no surgeon fees other than the initial rhinoplasty. I am hoping to do the minimum on my nose. I think the nostrils should have been narrowed in the first rhino...I would like to do that now but I've been told it would make the tip look even bigger and accentuate it (and I certainly don't want to accentuate it). So, I think if the tip needs work...pretty much equates to a full rhinoplasty charge. I may go with a woman doctor that has made a few small suggestions such as what I mention in my review; I have one more consultation with a doctor that seems to perform minimalist surgery - specifically with drooping tips.
October 25, 2015
I'm sorry for what you're going through. My heart goes out to you because there is nothing worse than feeling uncomfortable in ones own skin and shying away from cameras. I should know! Please post before and after pics. I am considering surgery with Dr.Ghavami and would love to see his work and what you describe. Thank u
October 25, 2015
done!
November 5, 2015
Thanks for posting the pics. Arghhh I can see what is bothering you and I agree that your tip droops down more now and has less shape to it than before....I actually have a very similar case to yours but worst :-( my nose looks hugely wide now when I smile, as if it spreads all the way to my nostrils :-( I've been considering Dr.G for my revision and i'd have t o travel from Montreal...This is all so frustrating. I wish I never touched my nose to begin with.
November 6, 2015
Today I had a consult with a facial plastic surgeon in Beverly hills, he said my nose okay but has no character. Ghavami a good doctor blah blah blah but I have a typical Ghavami nose with sausage look (his words, not mine), wide dorsum, round tip and wide nostrils, overly scooped bridge. He literally said this! This is the second doctor that has said the same thing...just like the other revision expert - he said to look at the pics real close for these attributes. He said my tip not round due to scar tissue but Ghavamis technique of using crushed cartilage ...and that Ghavamis style like that of a pioneer doctor that reduces a rhinoplasty to five steps...and a good rhinoplasty hard to do in five steps. If I had to do it over again I would chose a facial plastic surgeon because some doctors like Ghavami might combine nose surgery with other surgeries at the same time and perhaps that is why there are shortcuts? Unfortunately one cannot hide their nose behind a sweater or a pair of jeans. He quoted me 16k and said plastic surgery a dirty business. As much as this sounds negative I believed him. He told me that in Beverly hills to trust him and only one other doctor for complex revision...dr. Andrew frankle. I asked about jay Calvert because I really like him and he said jay is good too but his and Frankie's results are more consistent. He didn't push for the surgery...saying my nose not bad (but less character and facial harmony than I had before). So next I see Frankle...then it's time to make a decision.
November 6, 2015
Also said Dean Tourimi in Chicago very good
November 7, 2015
Hey I wanted to let you know my friend had a complex revision by Dr. Diamond there in southern Cali. and he did a really good job. BTW, I am almost 100% certain my doctor did not lift my tip enough. I am devastated. He is saying the tip is still swollen, blah blah, but I am certain it is still too low and round. So sad this was my last chance to pay for a correction. I hope he can tweak if necessary for free but I doubt it. boo...
November 7, 2015
I hope it turns out for you...swelling can be so deceiving...I will check out Diamond...and I'm sure your doc will fix it for minimal charge if necessary. Keep me posted.
November 11, 2015
Spencer cochran in dallas...seems goid.
January 27, 2023
Hi! May I ask which doctor said this? Curious to meet with a doctor with such an eye for such thing. Thank you
October 30, 2015
Check out Dr frankel's recent revision review. Dr frankel fixed her nose after dr ghavami messed it up. her nose is beautiful now.
October 30, 2015
Thanks. I will check it out :)
November 5, 2015
Hi- pls elaborate on who's nose? I'd like to see pls since i'm considering Dr. G. Thanks
December 21, 2015
I see your concerns.. I almost went to Dr. Ghavami but decided to go with Dr Grigorants and I'm soo glad I did he's the BEST! You can view my pics under Proud to be a grigoryants girl .. I would highly reccomend you seeing him I feel sure he can fix this..
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February 5, 2016
Im sorry you are having a difficult time finding the right doctor... I need a revision too! It has taken me forever to find the person I can trust. Scared it will only get worse! I think you have a beautiful nose after...but its your face!
February 5, 2016
Thank you. Honestly I was hoping for only refinement but they tell me they need to deconstruct. Ghavami seems to favor building up the nose as per a few reviews I've come across.
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October 26, 2015
Oh I'm so sorry for you because I have something similar and the frustration is unlimited. They don't want to know. Once you paid and they did their "art" they're done. They rarely admit their botch!!! Yes, this is all too familiar to me.

I'd say, keep seeing other surgeons, but this time, try to write very clearly what you feel you got that's wrong and what EXACTLY you are hoping to have. Look for pictures similar to yours and their good results and include them in your writing too. It's a LOT of work, I KNOW, but there's no other way without running into another bad one. And, of course, be very observant at the consultations and if you sense something not agreeing with you, don't choose him/her. It's such an unpleasant task, I know, but you look like a young woman so it's worth it for you to fight for what you dream to have. Even I am fighting and I'm not young.

Let me know what you will do and whom will you choose. I do hope you'll find a very experienced and willing surgeon who's also compassionate to understand your needs. :o)
October 30, 2015
Thank you. Good advice. ..I have a consult next week that I feel good about already. In retrospect...any doctor can make mistakes...and maybe they don't feel confident to fix...but the shouldn't be foolish and say something looks good when obviously it doesn't. That's an insult to me and to themselves as well. I will keep you posted.
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October 30, 2015
I agree with you. Yes, keep me posted and I do hope you find the right surgeon.
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October 25, 2015
Sorry to hear what you're going through but i'm trying to examine/analyze your pics to see what went wrong and can't see anything bad.. Can you upload more pictures?
October 26, 2015
I'm not saying I got butchered and I can't face the public; I am saying the main reason for my surgery was to fix a deviated septum and make my tip look better/less round. That wasn't the outcome. It's not 'horrible' but it certainly was not an improvement. Isn't that what we pay for - to have an improvement? Those who never met me don't think it's hideous...but those that new me before not only do not think it's an improvement but worse.
October 26, 2015
Ah i see. Ya absolutely you should have an improvement if you pay for it. I'm in a similar situation with a deviated septum and my surgery is coming up on the 3rd of November...Check out my posts if you got some time.

Did they say they think it looks worse? Or did you kind of get it from their body language/facial expression?
October 26, 2015
I just looked at your pics again. I think its an improvement from the pics you've shown. :)
October 31, 2015
they say it looks wonderful (which is an insult to me and either an indication of their poor tastse or they are outright lying). No body language; they've mastered the poker face otherwise the client would know they agreed that the results are less than optimal. In their waiting room a guy who looked like he might have saved up his whole life to afford a nose job was quietly complaining to office coordinator. He said his nose looked the same as before...the reply was 'well, that's good! nobody knows you had work done'. I could tell that wasn't what the guy wanted to hear...because he had a large nose. I would be so lucky as to have my nose look the same as before ...rather than worse.
October 26, 2015
I too can't really see sides maybe the nostrils a little? Can you upload better/larger photos? Also the writing is not clear. Best of luck
October 26, 2015
I went through the exact same thing. Following my inital rhino my nose actually looked larger. My top "dipped" down especially in a smile, my alar created deep creases, on one side especially, my tip was kind of bulbous, and didn't blend in with my nose. My nostril flare as increased and accentuated. But worst of all my smile has been impacted. In fact I hate my smile it looks strained, forced almost! And like you, in pictures when I smile my nose is very unattractive feature on my face, no matter how I try to turns head or be creative with makeup.
My dr, Dr Mabourakh of Folsom CA did what your Dr did- steroid injections. His staff pulled up my before pictures and mistakenly thought they were my after pictures and said "see how much smaller your nose looks?"
I had him do a revision 4 years later. Although he seemed not to see what I saw and claimed he couldn't reduce my flare anymore or rotate the tip without creating a pig nose. So he pushed the tip (deprojected) back and deprojected my bridge. This did not help at all. In fact my tip drop appeared worse.
I have since interviewed many doctors to get many options and all but 1 have agreed with me, the alar too deep, the tip slightly too low for a feminine appearance, and numerous other things such as unevenness and septum deviation. I just had a revision 3 days ago with a new doctor, and right now one big difference is the rotation of my tip up and distance from my upper lip to my nose significantly increased.
I think your doctor is wrong. I agree that when you smile your tip angle is too low. And just like me, your nostrils actually appear bigger now.
I agree your nose shape was nicer and more pleasing on your face before.
October 26, 2015
Thank you for going out of your way to notice and let me know. I've been in three years of silent regret. I haven't complained to anybody except the doctors and it's been so frustrating and disheartening to keep it bottled. Everybody takes a chance that rhino won't turn out as expected...but I can't believe when doctor won't take responsibility on his part.
October 26, 2015
My posting from one year ago, note my nose looks just ok when not smiling but when I smile it looks terrible! http://www.realself.com/question/new-orleans-la-rhinoplasty-revision-results-dropped-lowered-tip-and-wide
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November 6, 2015
Hi, i m so happy you got ur nose fixed, 3 years is a long time to be unhappy. Ive had 2 weeks of a droopy tip and deviated septum and im embarrassed to go back to work!! Would you mind sharing a pic of youself after...to vive me hope and which doctor was your choice for revision ?
November 6, 2015
I haven't had it fixed yet...perhaps you are looking at the before pic.
January 13, 2016
Wow. Thank you for the information. I just had rhinoplasty. Hoping for the best. Are you having a revision? I hear Dr Gregoryants is good.