POSTED UNDER Revision Rhinoplasty Reviews
Revision with Andy Frankel -- Extremely Disappointing!
UPDATED FROM FrankenNose
1 year post
Tip Sharp as a Knife
$17,223
I wanted to show you all this view of how pointy Frankel made my tip. Some photos don't show it well. But when I was going to consultations and meeting other surgeons to try to fix my Frankelnose some of them told me things like, "In your photos I couldn't really see this 'pointiness' that you spoke of, but now in person I can really see it." Another surgeon told me, "Wow he really gave you a uni-tip!" In this photo, due to the angle, you can see just how pointy it is. This mixed with the shortening, mixed with the widening of the bridge - it just turned out bad. My nose used to be round an bulbous... and from that came this and the funny part was that I never wanted to change that aspect of my nose! But as a naive patient I wasn't able to take the right steps to ensure that this didn't happen to me.
UPDATED FROM FrankenNose
1 year post
Extreme Close-up of my FRANKELNOSE
First is before the Frankel-nose, the next 3 pictures are the Frankel-nose at almost 1 year post op. He gave almond shaped nostrils - totally uneven as well (not just the shape but the position of the rims). When I first expressed my dissatisfaction with my 'new' nostrils he looked and analyzed carefully with squinted eyes - acting like he could just maybe, just barely see... At a later meeting and me pressing the topic further he finally stated openly that he could see that he had failed on my nostrils. I wish he would have been straight up with me at first. To the trained eye of a rhinoplasty surgeon - one the the alleged "best" no less - you're telling me that this was that hard to see? Hard to see for eyes that deal in tiny measurements as the main part of their work? People make mistakes and rhinoplasty is obviously very hard, but if you mess up, or if things are off, admit it and don't be sneaky about it. Just be honest. When you insult the intelligence of patients it only creates hard feelings and it destroys trust as well. You have to treat people with dignity, kindness and respect. I treat garbage men, homeless people, doctors, strangers, and everyone with respect. All I ask is that you treat me the same way.
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July 15, 2017
he also takes off all projection. it's very strange. what a nightmare.

July 15, 2017
lolol. it's like his site claims he takes different approach to all noses---yet we all look like twins. he removes all uniqueness even though his site claims to preserve it. what a sad sad misleading thing to do.
July 17, 2017
You do have very beautiful eyes which is very noticeable on last close up! :-)

UPDATED FROM FrankenNose
1 year post
Isn't customer satisfaction worth anything these days?
After suffering on a very deep level from the 'surprises' that Frankel gave me for quite a long time I finally had to really let him know just how crushed I was by the results and how much pain he caused me. Because I paid over 17K for the surgery I was left feeling like I spent a fortune to ruin my life. I had realistic expectations - I didn't expect a perfect result. But he changed the NATURE of my nose - completely altered the shape of it. My nose was naturally one 'type' and he tried to make it another 'type'. It is my belief that in most cases it is not wise to mess with Mother Nature like that. If you have a certain type of nose that you want straightened or a bump removed, that's one thing - but when you try to change the very type and nature of your nose, I personally think you're taking a huge gamble. I did not want that and I tried my best to make to abundantly clear that I wanted to FIX the problems with my nose but to still LOOK THE SAME. My main issue was a twisted tip. Well, I got a lot more change than I expected and it totally devastated me.
The thought of paying a surgeon to get a result that leaves you feeling such intense pain doesn't seem right. So after thinking it through I decided that I needed to exercise my right to ask for a refund. To show that I'm a man who believes in the importance of personal responsibility I decided to take some of the blame for ending up in this situation. Perhaps I didn't communicate enough? Perhaps I didn't do enough research? Perhaps I didn't ask enough questions? And at the end of the day, I took responsibility for choosing him in the first place. My initial feeling was that I liked Frankel. I felt that we were on the same page. But I did feel that he came across as too salesman-like. This is my opinion. This is not a quality I like but after all, the research I did online said Frankel was the guy to go to for revisions. Also, I saw some good reviews on him on this website as well. Now I think that the reviews I was looking at were probably fake. Not making any accusations here, but looking through his reviews I see several rave reviews that look VERY suspicious. Again, I'm speaking only from MY perspective. You can see them for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
So, to cut to the chase and get to the main point of this entry - for the reasons I mentioned earlier I felt that it was right and just for me to ask for a PARTIAL refund. First I asked him for 75% back and he declined straight away. Later I asked for a 50% refund - we'd share the responsibility for this result that I feel was strange, unnatural looking, and physically felt uncomfortable on my face (not to mention that in my opinion it didn't even come close to the morphs - have a look and decide for yourself, I posted photos). He never replied to that e-mail. I've since given up on getting any of my money back from him. It's not really just about the money - it's about the principle of the matter. I am a customer and I was not only disappointed but utterly crushed from my Frankel-nose. I also feel that he failed to deliver the expected results (and he did OTHER things that I didn't see represented in the morphs... 'surprises', so to speak). I'm not one to ask for refunds often - but to pay over 17K only to get a result you hate and your life ruined??? That just doesn't seem right to me. Seems very wrong, actually. Again - these are all just my thoughts and opinions.
The thought of paying a surgeon to get a result that leaves you feeling such intense pain doesn't seem right. So after thinking it through I decided that I needed to exercise my right to ask for a refund. To show that I'm a man who believes in the importance of personal responsibility I decided to take some of the blame for ending up in this situation. Perhaps I didn't communicate enough? Perhaps I didn't do enough research? Perhaps I didn't ask enough questions? And at the end of the day, I took responsibility for choosing him in the first place. My initial feeling was that I liked Frankel. I felt that we were on the same page. But I did feel that he came across as too salesman-like. This is my opinion. This is not a quality I like but after all, the research I did online said Frankel was the guy to go to for revisions. Also, I saw some good reviews on him on this website as well. Now I think that the reviews I was looking at were probably fake. Not making any accusations here, but looking through his reviews I see several rave reviews that look VERY suspicious. Again, I'm speaking only from MY perspective. You can see them for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
So, to cut to the chase and get to the main point of this entry - for the reasons I mentioned earlier I felt that it was right and just for me to ask for a PARTIAL refund. First I asked him for 75% back and he declined straight away. Later I asked for a 50% refund - we'd share the responsibility for this result that I feel was strange, unnatural looking, and physically felt uncomfortable on my face (not to mention that in my opinion it didn't even come close to the morphs - have a look and decide for yourself, I posted photos). He never replied to that e-mail. I've since given up on getting any of my money back from him. It's not really just about the money - it's about the principle of the matter. I am a customer and I was not only disappointed but utterly crushed from my Frankel-nose. I also feel that he failed to deliver the expected results (and he did OTHER things that I didn't see represented in the morphs... 'surprises', so to speak). I'm not one to ask for refunds often - but to pay over 17K only to get a result you hate and your life ruined??? That just doesn't seem right to me. Seems very wrong, actually. Again - these are all just my thoughts and opinions.
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July 15, 2017
i was reading earlier on hos site how he likes to preserve ethnicity and you and i lost our ethnicity from his procedure. it seems he didn't honor your handsome features and tried to make you into something or someone else. that's the most devastating thing of all. to lose the self. how you identify your look in the mirror. it really hurts. i'm so sorry this ever happened to you. for anyone who doesn't understand just look at jennifer grey.
July 15, 2017
This is exactly what my surgeon did, he didn't take my nose and make it better. He tried to give me a completely different nose-that I definitely didn't want or consent to.

July 15, 2017
Thanks. You have been very supportive throughout this mess. After reading my pre-op consultation notes I'm convinced that he didn't really listen to me during our consultation. The things he wrote in his notes didn't match what I said.
July 15, 2017
he wrote he intended to cover my bossae but then later says he inttended to deproject me so he won't have to augment me. it mkes very little sense.

July 15, 2017
Wow - sounds like he's getting his stories mixed up. So in other words, instead of doing what you asked him to do he just decided that he'd do whatever the heck he wanted to do
July 15, 2017
he wrote i am deprojecting her so i dont have to augment the bridge. he admitted hisintent to do the opposite to me in writing. it's very scary.
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July 15, 2017
Hey Mike, could you please write that again? For some reason realself has censored you. Curious to hear what you have to say my friend.
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July 15, 2017
I have wondered how Frankel would feel if HE was given a 'Frankelnose'. I wonder if he'd like to go to sleep and wake up with a high and tight tongue and groove. He already knows the answers so it baffles me that he does not seem to think about this when operating on others. I just want to shout in his ear: "LISTEN TO ME ANDY - LESS IS MORE! DO NOT TAKE CREATIVE LIBERTIES WITH FACES OF HUMAN BEINGS!" Not shout to be unkind to him, but to make him actually HEAR me and LISTEN. I looked at my pre-op notes from him and the main things he wrote before my surgery were WRONG. The issues he listed as my main concern were not my main concern - not even close. And as much as I tried to make it clear that I didn't want much change at all, I wanted SUBTLE improvements, he never once mentioned that in his pre-op notes. So, to me, it appears that he has a real problem in listening. Maybe if someone shouted directly into his ear he might actually hear them. He did me wrong man, plain and simple. And showed no real remorse. That's not OK.

July 15, 2017
I'm so sorry for our pain! I totally understand . I went to LA thinking I would get the best results. By looking at website i thought I'm going to the best of the best. I really did have high expectations! I regret every minute of it. I should have been smarter when I realized he didn't even morph. I wished I could have got some money back too. I have children and I could have spent the money on them. Now I will never get it back and i look rediculous . I'm afraid to take pictures with my family. My bridge was way overshaven. It long and witch looking. I get it. So sorry! I feel horrible as well.

July 15, 2017
Sorry again for what you're going through. I wish more surgeons understood that 'less is more'. Making radical changes to people's faces is just asking for trouble. I'll bet you that almost everyone out there wants to look on the mirror after surgery and still see themselves. There's usually just a particular issue we want tweaked or fixed. But when these guys give us a major overhaul our brains just say 'What a minute - what did this guy do I me??!" It's so wrong to do that to people's faces - and these surgeons are supposed to be experts. Well my advice to them is LESS IS MORE. Patients generally don't know what they are getting into by getting rhinoplasty. It's the moral responsibility of surgeons to help them avoid this loss of identity pitfall.


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July 16, 2017
I didn't ask for a refund. I figure I will have to take him to court! I didn't put it on card either. :(
I was told he was open to slight revisions but h wasn't willing to listen to me at all. He pushed me out and said I'm just going through things at home .
July 15, 2017
I feel like frankel is reading the cmnts.. so i would like to tell u dr frankel to quit ur job .. u r not curing .. u r destroying lives .. and this is actually the opposite meaning of a ''doctor''

July 15, 2017
I can't call him 'Doctor' anymore. The salesman shtick, the tight silly over the top suits, the coldness that he showed me when I was suffering, the lack of willingness to take responsibility for what he's done to me (and others that I've met who have suffered at his hands).. To me, he doesn't deserve the title 'Doctor' - and I don't care what degrees he has or what his resume says.
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