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Revision with Andy Frankel -- Extremely Disappointing!
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Because I have gotten so much information and support from this website I have decided that I ought to contribute to the community and the available pool of information online about this surgery and my experience with this particular surgeon.
I had a revision rhinoplasty with Dr. Frankel in May of 2016 and I wanted my nose repaired but I told him that one of the most important things to me was for my nose not to be changed too much. He created some morphs for me and I went through with the surgery.
From the moment that the bandages were taken off I could see that much more was done that I had hoped. I was extremely swollen though, so I didn't want to judge it too early. Furthermore, I had complete confidence in Dr. Frankel and I was sure that I had chosen the best guy for the job.
Long story short, as time went on that moment of feeling happy about my results never came. My results came out very different from what I had expected and to be honest, it has been quite devastating emotionally.
In my photos you can see that my nose was shortened significantly--which I did not want. Even in the morphs you can see that this was not part of the plan. He also used a technique on me called 'lower lateral cartilage repositioning' to lower my nostril rims. I didn't realize the overall effect this technique would have on my nose and tip. Now my lower lateral crura sit at the base of my nostril rims. Not only do I not like the aesthetics of it, but it feels very strange having the cartilage sitting in this area.
To tuck my columella he used a technique called 'tongue in groove' (and he "shaved" off some of my columella). I didn't realize he would do this and in my opinion it was not represented in the morphs. Now I hate how this looks and it also feels really strange and uncomfortable. My top lip no longer has the same freedom of movement that it used to and there's a constant sensation that my nose is stuck in the wrong position.
Also, Dr. Frankel used spreader grafts on my without discussing it with me first. Now my middle third is wider than before and my tip is much narrower than before. He didn't tell me that my bridge would be wider nor did I see it represented in the morphs.
I could go on and on but the last big issue I have is now uneven my nostrils now appear. The rims are at different levels and the shape and angle of them are totally different.
I believe that Dr. Frankel tried to do his best on me, which I sincerely appreciate, but a good result is the main thing we're after and I am totally devastated at what he did to my nose. He did offer to try to fix it for a discounted fee but at this point I just don't trust in his abilities to get me where I hope to be. Such a disappointment. Words can't even do it justice.
I had a revision rhinoplasty with Dr. Frankel in May of 2016 and I wanted my nose repaired but I told him that one of the most important things to me was for my nose not to be changed too much. He created some morphs for me and I went through with the surgery.
From the moment that the bandages were taken off I could see that much more was done that I had hoped. I was extremely swollen though, so I didn't want to judge it too early. Furthermore, I had complete confidence in Dr. Frankel and I was sure that I had chosen the best guy for the job.
Long story short, as time went on that moment of feeling happy about my results never came. My results came out very different from what I had expected and to be honest, it has been quite devastating emotionally.
In my photos you can see that my nose was shortened significantly--which I did not want. Even in the morphs you can see that this was not part of the plan. He also used a technique on me called 'lower lateral cartilage repositioning' to lower my nostril rims. I didn't realize the overall effect this technique would have on my nose and tip. Now my lower lateral crura sit at the base of my nostril rims. Not only do I not like the aesthetics of it, but it feels very strange having the cartilage sitting in this area.
To tuck my columella he used a technique called 'tongue in groove' (and he "shaved" off some of my columella). I didn't realize he would do this and in my opinion it was not represented in the morphs. Now I hate how this looks and it also feels really strange and uncomfortable. My top lip no longer has the same freedom of movement that it used to and there's a constant sensation that my nose is stuck in the wrong position.
Also, Dr. Frankel used spreader grafts on my without discussing it with me first. Now my middle third is wider than before and my tip is much narrower than before. He didn't tell me that my bridge would be wider nor did I see it represented in the morphs.
I could go on and on but the last big issue I have is now uneven my nostrils now appear. The rims are at different levels and the shape and angle of them are totally different.
I believe that Dr. Frankel tried to do his best on me, which I sincerely appreciate, but a good result is the main thing we're after and I am totally devastated at what he did to my nose. He did offer to try to fix it for a discounted fee but at this point I just don't trust in his abilities to get me where I hope to be. Such a disappointment. Words can't even do it justice.
UPDATED FROM FrankenNose
1 year post
Coping with Disappointing Results
Anyone who has experienced a disappointing rhinoplasty knows how emotionally devastating it can be. Of course, the degree of pain is on a spectrum and many or our degrees of emotional distress will vary. It hits us financially, it affects our career, our relationships, etc. It has been hands down the hardest year of my life. Ever since that fateful day, May 9th, 2016 when I went into surgery with Dr. Frankel thinking I was going to get my nose repaired and come out of surgery looking and feeling like myself only to find that the exact opposite happened life has been a struggle. The depression and anxiety that go along with it are truly bad. I used to have a really happy, amazing life. I miss it, but I try not to think about it too much now because it cause very acute emotional pain when I think of all the ways this surgery has had a negative impact on my life. If you are one of the unfortunate ones who gets/got a disappointing result I hope that reading about my experience will help you make it through. For the first several months I was literally out of commission. The disappointment, depression and anxiety were totally paralyzing. I kept playing it over and over in my head - the conversations with Dr. Frankel - asking myself, "What did I do wrong?", "What did he do to me?" and "How did I end up with a result that I hate?" I think that is trauma-related when we keep playing those moments over and over, without even trying to, it just happens. But as time went on I just started doing research to try to figure out what had happened to my nose. I read through my op report in painstaking detail. I studied nasal anatomy. I have to add, there were a few people on this website who were EXTREMELY helpful in my quest to find out what had been done to me and I appreciate them so much. After about a half a year of being so focused on my nose I realized that I had to make a change. I had to just start doing more to stay busy and focus on positive things (positive people, positive thoughts, beauty in nature, music, art, etc) and let go of the regret and anger that I had for choosing Dr. Frankel without researching him more. Anything that was negative or not supportive I just had to let go of. From month 6 post op onward I have been focused on spending time with people I love and helping others. I try to avoid mirrors and photos and to live in the moment. It's a really hard journey and I still have my ups and downs but with hard work, a positive attitude, and a good support group I'm sure you can get through it. One last thing - it's important to make sure that your thoughts are rational. There are thoughts called 'cognitive errors' that can really make our journey much harder than it needs to be. I recommend looking into these and trying to eliminate these types of thoughts. Thoughts like, "No one will ever love me because my nose is so ugly." Or, "I must have deserved this," or "Things will never get better." These are just examples, but when you explore them on a deeper level you'll realize they are erroneous, cognitive distortions. I'm not saying it's easy to get rid of these thoughts, but with some effort you can be aware of distorted thought patterns that are only doing you harm and not one bit of good. To any of you out there suffering from this same problem that I'm going through, I hope you keep pushing, keep researching, and eventually find a solution to your problem - whether it's acceptance of a bad result or a successful revision - I just hope you find some peace of mind and get your lives back. Sending my love and support to you all. You're not alone and not forgotten.
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May 26, 2017
It is so hard to me to get through this... when i hate my nose and at the same time im scared to go through a revision again... how difficult my life is now... i dnt know wat to do.. hope u feel better

May 26, 2017
I know it's so hard. Just try to stay solution oriented and make sure not to forget the other blessings in your life, despite the pain regarding your disappointing surgery. I'm right there with you Sweetlips, in the same situation. We'll make it!
May 26, 2017
Well said and I agree. Glad you are doing better and finding support during this time.

May 26, 2017
Thanks. It's still a struggle! But I'm trying to keep my eyes on a better future! Such a long year. : /
May 26, 2017
You have just expressed my life after Frankel, and I too curse the day I ever heard his name. I DID do a lot of research, unfortunately he has a PR machine that is second to none. He also has the nerve to tell us that "you are the only patient I have ever had that has complained" Having discovered "Real-Self" we know otherwise.

May 26, 2017
Sorry that Frankel hurt you. :( Hope you find a good solution to get your life back!
May 26, 2017
Thank you for ur positive thoughts.. it seems that u r such a sweet person and u dnt deserve to be in that situation... i hope everything gets better

May 26, 2017
You're very welcome and thank you as well, SweetLips! Hope you find the right surgeon to help you out soon! I know it's a long, tiring, confusing journey to find a surgeon that you can feel comfortable with, especially after we've been through this kind of trauma!
UPDATED FROM FrankenNose
1 year post
Lower Lateral Cartilage Repositioning
This is a technique that Frankel used on me and I can't tell you the pain that is has caused me. He told me very casually in our pre-op consultation that he was going to bring my lower lateral crura down to lower my nostril rims. Well, it lowered my rims a little but what it did to my tip has caused me a lot of emotional distress. In a normal nose, the alar cartilage starts at the footplates, goes to the medial crura, then to the domes, then sort of goes around the bridge, pointing horizontally and slightly upward at the pyriform aperture. Well, in my surgery he brought the lower lateral cartilage all the way down to my alar rims. The aesthetics of it have been devastating for me and it feels horrible as well. When I used to hold my nose I felt fleshy, soft nostrils. Now they are stuffed full of cartilage an trying to hold my nose feels very unnatural and uncomfortable. Also, where the tip and lower lateral cartilage used to be is now empty because the alar cartilage has been brought down to my nostril rims. So I'm left with this strange sensation that everything is in the wrong place. I'm sharing this because I want you to know about the potential unintended consequences of it. Dr. Frankel mentioned it to me so casually so I thought nothing of it, but the reality I'm facing now is a harsh one. This shouldn't be a decision that you casually make. I think it should be discussed in further detail with your surgeon before you OK it. I really wish he would have discussed it further with me. Also, I've talked to a lot of surgeons, including Frankel, and trying to get this reversed to an extent seems difficult and risky. Even Dr. Frankel said he had never tried to undo this technique. So, it leaves me in a very bad situation. This technique might be good for some people, but just be aware that it's not a minor change--it's taking the cartilage from where it sits in your nose naturally and moving it to a very different position. In the diagram I've posted here it shows you how the cartilage was moved WAYYYYY down. To me, it feels unnatural and looks unnatural and I really regret saying OK to this, but I put total trust in Dr. Frankel and relied on his expertise. I was just your average patient, largely ignorant on the subject of rhinoplasty and the techniques used. It's hard for patients to know what they are getting into at times. I definitely wanted a 'less is more' type of nasal repair but this technique (along with others) brought changes that were much more extreme than I was hoping for or expecting.
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June 2, 2017
i still can't believe it. i actually don't know what else was done to me, but i'm pretty sure the scientific study that he and his fellows published in jama, show that this is something they learned how to do and decided was appropriate to try on more and more patients. It doesn't look right on any person I've met with and just completely shortens the nose.
June 2, 2017
i'm just so sorry this happened to you and to everyone! why he puts himself out to the public as someone who makes noses larger and removes so much and does such drastic maneuvers is beyond me. i'm really sorry!

June 3, 2017
Thanks Girltown. I, too, am still in disbelief at how I ended up with the very type of nose that I was trying to avoid! I hope you find a solution and someone honest who will help you to get your face back! You have my support always!

June 3, 2017
I've talked to a lot of patients who have had tongue & groove procedure that also has ruined their life. Their nose became very short on the front view. Either the whole tip was retracted inward from being tucked too much, looked half taken off, upturned way too much, or nose was put I'm a 90 degree angle after having a pretty upturn. These were all women and all claim to not be leaving the house from it. They also had tissue removed out of their tip/columella area because of this procedure . This is also a powerful maneuver and people should really think about this . The surgeon should really explain what will happen when this is done . It's not a oh no big deal maneuver . They stitch the columella up on the septum. It shortens the tip and nostrils tremendously . Leaves a space between the nose and lip that is often too big. All claim to look more masculine after rhinoplasty and are severely depressed.
June 16, 2017
I had LLC repositioning too, I had it done in my primary and I was not told he would do this he just did it without mentioning it to me at all. I hate it too, it makes my nostrils look so full and flared. I was hoping to get it reversed as well but surgeons just get wide eyed when I ask because most of them haven't even used this technique before let alone reversed it. Why have other surgeons said it's too risky? Can't they just reattach the ends of the lateral crura back to the pyriform ligament or where ever they detached them from to move them down? I was going to ask my surgeon this in my next appointment.

June 17, 2017
Well, I'm sorry to hear that this technique was used on you but I'm happy to finally meet another person who has experienced! You're the first other person I've met who that was used on. How far down did your surgeon move your LLC? Mine were moved literally all the way down to my nostril rims. I think it totally changed the dynamic of my tip, and ruined it. As for the LLC back up, I know what you mean - a lot of surgeons don't seem to be willing to even attempt it. One surgeon I asked told me, "That's actually a very sophisticated technique..." Some of the fears that surgeons had regarding moving the LLC back up to somewhere near their original position were unpredictabiliy, they'd never tried it before, they were sure what would happen to the nostril rims when you remove that support, etc. But yeah, definitely a good idea to discuss it with your surgeon. Best of luck!
June 17, 2017
He's actually a very kind surgeon so I'd rather not say his name but I will tell you I had it done in Utah.
June 17, 2017
It feels like mine are a few mm away from the rims still, but one side looks higher than the other so I think he put them at different heights and didn't realize it. And yes many surgeons say it's more complicated yet my surgeon is pretty new so I feel like he just wanted to try something new and cool out on my nose and hasn't had any practice. So frustrating. And I saw your questions you have posted about it for surgeons on here and of course they just avoid the actual question because they have no idea. I'm sorry you had this done too but also happy to meet someone else who has experienced it. I'm determined to have someone attempt putting it back. I'll keep you posted if I find a surgeon who's done it, or if mine is successful (I still have a few months before the 12 month mark they think they have to make us wait) Good luck to you too :).

June 23, 2017
His reason for doing it was to try to lower my nostril rims, which it didn't do. It just gave me a weird, unnatural tip that I hate. He basically tried to make my LLC act as alar rim grafts. It made me feel like science experiment gone wrong. Yeah, you're right, most surgeons that I've spoken with were not willing to try to help. I had no idea what it would do to my nose. That technique single handedly ruined my life. Did you surgeon tell you that he was going to do that before the surgery? Or did you just discover it afterwards?
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one thing that we cannot hide is the truth @sweetlips00 you look soooooo beautiful.... i mean your nose is also beautiful... you are only showing half of your face and it is obvious that you are gorgeous, perfect <3
I hope you know how awesome and beautiful you are
(thanks for ur positive thoughts <3) your welcome beautiful <3
i experienced the same situations not sleeping at night.. not going out.. even not eating well.... but i am sure we will find peace someday... i am sure <3<3