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Writing a separate review for fat grafting...

renba91
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Writing a separate review for fat grafting procedure I had with Dr. Motykie.
I originally underwent profile balancing with chin and rhinoplasty and have my review posted for those as well. He did an excellent job with the chin. The nose is an ongoing review .
I underwent fat grafting at the same time. The reason I underwent grafting was because I'm 24 and in the past year nearly all my baby fat dissipated for whatever reason. I ended up with a very sunken midface since I already had a concave midface due to a deficient maxilla. The sunk in look made me look tired and hagged and I wanted this area filled with fat.
On consultation I told dr Motykie I wanted to look rested and fix the sunken appearance I had. And also VERY subtly add some to my anterior cheekbomes and in particular my left one since it was assymetric to my right . I EXPLICITLY told him I did NOT want to be overfilled and he assured me he wouldn't. I also asked in regards to lumps etc. he also morphed more pictures to show me how the grafting would look but it all looked the same it was basically a picture of me with my midface blurred out using a blur tool on photoshop. Not very helpful.
I awoke from surgery swollen with huge cheeks. I figured it was normal swelling but by day 4-5 I started worrying and panicking about the enormous size of my cheeks despite my nose and chin decreasing in swelling but my cheeks staying huge. Dr. M told me at cast removal that my face would return to normal as swelling went down and I would look more like me after a couple of weeks. Well, the nightmare continued for an entire month and a half. My cheeks were enormous. I did not tell anyone I was having fat grafting I only told them I was getting a nose job and the ONLY thing that everyone would nose was my enormous cheeks and would all ask if I had cheek implants. I went through an identity crisis and had multiple breakdowns because I was completely unrecognizable to not only myself but to friends and family for nearly TWO months. As a young 24 year old who was generally considered attractive before, this has had a severe impact on my mental health and quality of life. I literally shut myself in for the entire month and a half and only went to work and home. It also did not become apparent to me until a month or so that he Injected fat ON TOP of my cheekbone under my eye. I did NOT want any fat added there. I did NOT want any fat detracting from my angular masculine cheekbones but that's precisely what he did. I NEVER had much fat on top of my cheekbones and neither does my MOM or other family members that have the same cheekbones I do. This added length on top of my cheekbones not only masked their masculine angularity but completely distorted my face making my midface area LONGER and undefined. Worst still, the fat on top of my cheekbone bunches up and distorts my smile completely burying my eyes completely. I am a happy person and always smile and laugh but I am now conscious of even doing that because it looks so UNNATURAL. I'll also add that the transfer is constantly puffy and since it covers all boney definition my eyes are left looking like a rag doll/puppet (i.e. No proper bone definition around the eye, just blended fatty area ). Also, the lumps are completely noticeable when I smile. You can see and feel "tracks" where the fat was placed. If you read up on grafting you will know that fat is inserted in a spaghetti noodle fashion with a bunch of little droplets lined up together in rows. The body encapsulates these and that's why you are left with lumps. You WILL have lumps it is not a risk , it's a REALITY. You WILL have contour irregularities. Nature does not form cheek/ soft tissue Ina "spaghetti" noddles fashion, having someone insert things in this fashion is Not natural and will be noticeable.
I am now exactly 2 months post op and although I look more like my old self my cheeks are still far too big for my face. Prior to grafting I already had high/strong prominent cheekbones . These were angular, well defined and masculine. Now they are huge, feminine and distorted when I smile. I AVOID pictures completely now, I am concious of smiling/laughing and I feel completely depressed and angry at myself for having ruined my face at such a young age.
I also can't help but question what kind of doctor would be so willing to inject so much fat into a young persons face given the knowledge that this procedure can be PERMANENT and will retain the properties of its donor site (i.e. Will grow if you gain weight, or may grow regardless of weight maintenance). Truly, given the facts at hand I don't know who in their right mind, much less a physician would take such course of action.
Given the following, what would YOU do:
- young patient, 24, male
- strong, masculine cheeks, "aesthetic" /in line with male attractiveness
- wants to look "refreshed" with fat grafting , particular attention to sunken midface
- fat graft may be permanent, patient will likely gain weight throughout life
-fat graft may be irreversible
Would you overfill? Would you add fat where it could be emasculating to a male patient? Would you disregard facial expressions prior to grafting? Would you even consider this patient for grafting or would you perhaps suggest other alternatives first before proceeding?
Sadly, Dr. M ended up overfilling me, emasculating me, and distorting my facial expressions. I cannot understand why any competent surgeon is still overfilling with fat grafting given the often irreversible nature of the procedure. I'm angry at myself for not doing my due diligence with this procedure and letting myself be misled by pretty pictures on the doctors website as well as the idea that a "celebrity doc" featured on various media would do a good job. I am also upset that not enough information was disclosed or clarified to me in regards to WHERE the injections would be . I was not even marked . All I was given was pretty photoshopped pictures. I was also not told this could disfigure / contort my facial expressions the way it did. Dr. m did not even take these into consideration. I was not told to smile or laugh to see what areas the grafting could affect. I was also not properly informed of the (overfilling) method the grafting would be done by other than technique: "through the mouth and under the muscle".
I reached out with my concerns to Dr. M's office and was told I had the option of RF treatments or kenalog injects at 2-3 months post. I was also peddled other non effective solutions from their spa like some infrared sauna to help "reduce the swelling" .I'm an out of town patient and I will be flying in for my 3 month post op and have requested kenalog injections at that time to reduce the volume and hope the fat atrophies though I'm nervous given prior feedback on forums and real self with this Dr. Motykie's prior botched/unhappy patients and his unprofessional behavior of not taking responsibility for fixing his work or promising patients a solution only to bail on them last minute. Adding to this, the story of Dr. M making a grab at Heidi montags Plastic surgeons' patient base immediately after he passed away in a wreck..
I will use this review to Detail my journey to now fix this fat graft overfill. I only hope that most of this either gets absorbed or the kenalog injections make it go away. Fat grafting can be an extremely costly nightmare to reverse so please please beware and do your due diligence if you are considering this procedure. Also, I would urge you to look elsewhere for fat grafting unless you want to risk being overfilled. Dr. M uses the Overfill approach so you are taking a gamble on your face should you retain a large amount of fat. Please be careful. I think this also highlights the fact that patient and Doctor communication is key and while a doctor might be young and have good technique or results at times, communication is paramount do avoiding botching or leaving your patients unhappy. I think although he produces some stellar results at times, there's still much learning /experience he must gain as a surgeon in regards to patient communication/bedside manner. Also, bad reviews/botched patients do highlight questionable ethics. Some doctors think it's unethical to be fat grafting/overfilling patients under 30/40 . I've seen some patients on his website that are 20 (!!) years old getting fat grafting. I think given his media appearances and behavior it might point to someone who is very early in their career and is trying to make a name for themselves: overbooking patients, botching some and shrugging them off, etc. also I've noticed some questionable reviews on here for Dr. Motykie and I know for sure that some of his staff or one of his colleagues in office has an account on here that reads his reviews or promotes his work. Nothing wrong with that but I just hope that they take into account that for transparency sake and for accountability purposes some of us can and will disclose every detail of our experience on forums like this , not to "bad mouth" the doctor but to genuinely help others . I think if a doc goes good work the reviews and results should speak for themselves. You can only live off a TV persona for so long before a next celebrity doc comes along. ..
Also - apologies for any typos as I typed my review on my iPhone.

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December 17, 2015
I feel your pain ! The same thing happened to me, I too was told the result would be 'subtle' to add insult to injury I didnt even know what fat transfer was, this was suggested by the surgeon when I booked a consultation for a face lift. My cheeks and face were overfilled to the extent that all my natural features have disappeared and my face is just Fat ! I hate smiling and avoid having my picture taken ! This was done 3 years ago, I will not rest until I can find a surgeon willing to get it out by what ever means possible. : ( I hope you are able to find a solution too. Kind Regards.
December 18, 2015
I'm sorry to hear his happened to you too. Though I am going and have other redeeming features to detract from my now ugly cheeks and irregularities, it has been very difficult mentally for me . I am left with worst confidence than ever and am conscious of even doing something so natural and routine as smiling and laughing . I now avoid pictures altogether. I don't even know how this mess will react years down the line as I age. I've heard of increased sagging, the fat growing despite stable weight, etc. I don't know why this procedure is so pushed by surgeons these days and I cannot comprehend why a doctor at all would even overfill a young person given the permanent and uncertain nature of the results. Al the luck to you in trying to get back to normal. I realize my face will now never be the same again but I just seek normalcy to regain my life back now. I guess you don't realize what you have until you lose it . I'd go back to having a sunken skeleton face over looking like a wannabe Barbie boy you see on tv or looking swollen and puffy 24/7.
December 18, 2015
Kopyto1 - I had the same thing happen to me at renba's age and it's still there now in my late 20s. I have chronic inflammation, can never put on weight (despite being skinny) and I literally look 20 years older than I did 4-5 years ago! I had to comment as I looked at your qu to the doctors and realised you were in the UK too. I had the fat transfer done in LA but like you, I didn't know what it was either apart from a 'filler with your own fat'. In my mind, "filler" is 1-2 syringes... not 30cc. My cheek fat looks like yours at rest and smiling. It's of the utmost importance that you find a surgeon who is confident in dealing with permanent filler problems. In the UK, Dominic Bray is the only doctor I've come across who has demonstrable experience in revising botched fat grafts and silicone injections in the face. You might want to get in touch with him. Often, surgeons who aren't confident will say certain things 'can't be done'... but I have seen proof that significant improvements can be made. Best of luck with your revisions!
December 22, 2015
Unoq-
Did you have any sagging or loose skin after the procedure ? My skin was taught over my cheekbones but now it feels so lose . I'm worried it will never go back to its prior state. Did yours return to the same taught/laxity it had before the fat starting pulling down on your tissues?
December 18, 2015
hey bro. Look your an intelligent guy from reading your diary n updates on here, i am sure you will find a solution. I have a few myself for you. Detoxification through eating fresh organic fruits and vegetables, juices n smoothies aka the raw food diet. Not only will it clean out your system and give your being a boost i think it may even have the potential to break down and rid of the unwanted fat transfer. Read up on the raw food diet and the power it has to remove all ailments and diseases known to man. Pleas also contact a - Dr Robert Morse n.d and the n.d stands for naturopathic doctor incase you were wondering ;) He is one of the best natural doctors and healers out there and has a clinic in Florida, website - http://www.drmorsesherbalhealthclub.com/
You can call his staff anytime at the clinic when open and they are very helpful in answering your Q's. Dr Morse also offers free 15 minute consults after office hours on a certain day of the week for new patients and again you can set that up with his staff. I am sure he can give some amazing advice as to what can be done to remove and rid of the extra fat that is not naturally being produce in those areas but has been placed there. Also when you go on a detox/juice fast you do loose weight and face can slim quite a bit so something to think about.
Let me know what you think. Again it's not going down the cosmetic route but the natural route but even though it is your own fat i am assuming? then it's not foreign material but has been placed in your face so maybe the body may want to remove it through fating, detox and cleansing.
December 18, 2015
Don't worry bro, stay positive and hopeful. Please take on board what i said. I really think it may help you. Trust in nature ;) Good luck and sending you positive thoughts and energy. x
December 18, 2015
Thanks for the suggestions. Yes I've been on a raw food diet before and it does help with a lot of things. Ive done water fasts too. My issue is that I'm not that fat already so unless I go to single digit body fat I don't think it'll make much difference in the volume that was put in.
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December 18, 2015
You are so gorgeous. I hope you are a model. Don't worry many fat cells will not survive the trauma of the surgery. Within 6 months to a year you will probably want additional volume, at least this was the case for me.
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December 19, 2015
I agree he is gorgeous and doesn't need any plastic surgery.
December 20, 2015
Thanks ! I really hope that's the case I really hate my cheeks now. I had 9ccs , how many did you have injected and how long did it last?
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December 20, 2015
I don't know how much fat was injected but it did look weird for 6 months to a year. I didn't have a skilled surgeon like yours. Wait 6 months to see what it looks like and then maybe talk to your surgeon about a reversal. I know if fat does not develop it's own blood supply it will die. Did he do "microinjections"? That is more likely to develop vascularity and survive. After a waiting period I think your surgeon would be willing to do a reversal if it has not gone down. I am sure he would not want anything less than perfect being an example of his work. P.S. I used to be an agent I am serious you should think about modeling
December 20, 2015
Thanks yes I've been told many times but I don't think it's my calling lol. He did use micro droplet and injected under the muscle so I think it's also more likely to "take" and I'm also young this is why I'm worried too much staying. I just wanted something subtle to look refreshed but it looks totally done . I really just hope most of it goes away. I'm already lean so it's hard to really lose much weight .
December 25, 2015
Hey..i dont know..whether my suggestion is helpful or not..but i think u can try using one machine that can melt ur fat gone..that machine kind of melted the fat using something like laser..really forgot the name is..but i think its worth it to try.tq
January 3, 2019
Hi did you have lumps after wards?
December 18, 2015
How many cc's of fat did you have injected?
December 18, 2015
Another good post and I agree that it is highly unethical of surgeons to even consider doing this procedure on people under 40 when a) they may not have the finances to undergo costly, multiple revisional procedures, b) fillers are reversible and can stimulate collagen production in the young, negating the need for a permanent 'fix' c) people in their 20s aren't of face lift age, yet this is often the only option for those with severe cases of overfill. However, even if that's the case, they are still turned down for excisional procedures by doctors for being "too young" (check out some of the comments on my last qu) and - although this might be well meaning - some doctors will use it as an opportunity to (ironically) sell more fat to 'blend in' results and make more money whilst distorting the patient's face further.

IMO, fat transfer is a scam on so many levels and whilst many doctors have woken up to this fact, others are still operating on the assumption that 'there's a fool born every minute' and the fact that they know they can get away with dumping their patients afterwards.
December 19, 2015
Exactly...
December 19, 2015
There are doctors who are very skilled at giving natural fat transfer results. Dr. Motykie has too many negative reviews on yelp and realself . His results sound hit or miss.
December 20, 2015
The trick seems to be doing very small amounts of fat in two or three sessions. I am still waiting to here how much fat was injected into the author's cheeks as almost all of the bad reviews I have read are from overfilling. The best results seem to come from 5-10cc's at a time.
December 20, 2015
I got 9 CC's to the midface area but I already have big cheekbones
December 20, 2015
Underfilling isn't the answer either. For a start, the fat really does change over the course of time - very much like liquid silicone injections are known to do. Doctors tell patients that fat "can't migrate" because it doesn't float (like a liquid); however, because it sticks in the skin/muscles, it will eventually 'pull down' these areas of soft tissue or - if injected very deeply - there's no reason why a chunk of it couldn't migrate eventually, given it's not fused to or supported by anything.

As for expansion/negative skin changes: doctors say that this will only happen if you put on weight, which is correct but it's not the only causative factor of expanding fat grafts. Chronic inflammation accounts for overgrowth of injected fat, which is still a foreign substance when placed into a non-host environment. Any time you get water retention, the fat cells will swell up and you will notice it on the face. If you are unlucky, your skin/facial soft tissues will treat the fat as an 'irritant' and you will develop scar tissue as a result, adding to the bulk of the fat.

This may not happen at first in skilled hands. I know of 2 women (not on this site) who had to get their initially well-done, conservative fat grafts removed 10+ years down the line due to changes in eyelid positions from the continual weight/inflammation of the fat.
December 20, 2015
Do you know how many CC's are in a typical syringe? Do you know how many syringes were used on you?
December 20, 2015
Unoq, how old were the 2 women when they initially got the fat grafting?
What do you mean by changes in eyelid position?
December 20, 2015
Unoq, I am curious too about the eyelids changing position. I am thinking of doing FT as a solution to hollow upper lids post upper bleph. but it doesn't seem like there are long term follow up or studies on these procedures. I would like to know what happens to the eyelids years down the road and is the fat still there? What does the eye look like 10 years later?
December 20, 2015
Hi renba - was that 9ccs on each side, or 4.5ccs on each side?
December 20, 2015
Imheretolurk,

He didn't specify . Probably more like 5cc left and 4 cc right. It's probably not a huge amount like some overfills on here but bear in mind I had almost no fat on my cheekbones my face was very defined and I already had big cheeks to begin with . I think the amount he injected is in line with a cheek augmentation which is NOT what I wanted.
December 25, 2015
Thanks for replying renba. The amount injected is not a lot and with an expected retention rate of about 30% you will be left with about 1cc of extra fat on each side of your face at one year, which is not a lot. Don't be hard on yourself.

You mentioned that your smile has changed. Does it FEEL different or just looked different? I have premature sagging and my face actually feels heavier when I smile.
December 25, 2015
I was injected under the muscle using micro droplet technique and I'm 24 yrs old so perhaps retention rate will be higher? My cheeks don't feel heavier but the volume can be annoying sometimes under my eye I feel it touching my lower lid and it makes me concious of the fat that it's there. I practically look like I'm 12 again when I had huge chipmunk cheeks I just wanted to look rested ugh lol. I really hope it goes down more in the next couple months otherwise I'll go do Steroid injections
UPDATED FROM renba91
2 months post

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Wel I'm about 2.5 months post fat graft now and the more the swelling subsides the more I realize this procedure accomplished a whole lot of nothing and caused so much more headache and problems. I'm furious that I paid for something that was absolutely unessecary, that I was not properly informed of what would be done and where, and that only caused issues that I did not have before.

The swelling has gone down and continues to go down I don't know if the aggressive massage and heavy exercising is helping but honestly my face still sinks in like before which was the whole reason I even considered this. The more the swelling subsides the more I notice that the areas I wanted addressed got hardly any fat put in and the bulk of the fat that was put in was in areas I never had much fat in naturally and I did not want any fat added. I had completely smooth contours undereye and over my cheekbone but now I get ugly puffy bulges there . My undereye has a ton of lumps I'm constantly having to smash to smooth out. I even have what appears to be malar bags/festoons over my cheekbones which I never had. I look puffy all the time under my eyes. In pictures it's horrendous I look like I weigh 300 lbs and my eyes look so squinted from the fat bunching up. My face just looks all kinds of wrong now. My cheekbones are now just masked under all the puffiness and fat. Horrible horrible horrible . Not worth the money, the problems, and the disfigurement/recovery time that you have to endure looking disgusting. If a doc ever tells you you willbe swollen for months from fat transfer you need to run, if a doc ever tells you he will overfill to account for fat atrophy you need to run, if he does not take into account your facial expressions or natural fat distribution you need to run, if he does not specify or mark where he will inject you need to run. Proper fat transfers are done progressively with small volumes and swelling should not be so prolonged and exaggerated. This procedure is completely worthless to be entirely honest . Stick to fillers. Not worth the risk or expense or problems. I'm just hoping most of this fat goes away in the ensuing months and that my skin returns to its persisting tone.

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January 17, 2019
Sorry:(
August 6, 2020
I heard you can get any lumps removed- have you managed to get them sorted out? Sorry to hear of your poor result
January 29, 2021
No I haven’t. How can the lumps be removed? The two docs I went to wouldn’t touch me because it’s such a delicate area.
January 29, 2021
I read that the least invasive way is to inject them with a fine needle to dissolve the fat and the most invasive way is to remove them through an operation
UPDATED FROM renba91
2 months post

Undereye bag

renba91
Forgot to add that he injected fat so high up my cheek in effort to create this " infra orbital rim augmentation" effect that the inner portion of my right cheekbone has about two pea sized lumps that go past the bone into the lower lid space and look like I have eye bags which I never had. Ive been trying so desperately to smash these two pea lumps with. I success because they're so mobile and in such a sensitive thin area. They are not decreasing in size. I've read that the undereye area is very difficult to address when fat graft goes wrong and the fat tends to stay because this area is so rich in blood supply so I'm desperate to have these lumps go down or go away otherwise I'm going to have big undereye bags at 24 years old and I do not want to have to undergo a lower kid blepharoplasty at such a young age to fix this mess. It's beyond me why a doc would even do this to someone my age. I didn't even have eye bags to begin with. My family has a flat cheek undereye area . I have friends/models that have pronounced undereye bone/orbital rim area and that is all BONE when they smile the fat/cheek does not go past this area into the eye. The doc tried to create this effect using FAT and I'm now left with undereye bags and distorted eyes when I smile from the fat moving up when I smile. I'll add that a prior surgeon I consulted who does bespoke/world reknkwn surgery did not want to touch my undereye area with rim implants because he said my skin was too thin and it would be visible so I don't know why my ps injected the fat there and worst still on my cheek that was NOT flat to begin with. What a nightmare .

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December 31, 2015
I think it will still go down a lot. It's only been two months. I wonder if you lost overall weight if it would make them go down and stay down, even when you regain.
December 31, 2015
I sure hope so because I'm hating every minute of this procedure. And losing more weight is difficult because I'm not heavy to begin with. If I need to lose more weight it's a real struggle because then I'm getting into single digit body fat % . I'm going to try that though as i get in shape for summer I'll lean out as much as I can hopefully much of the fat cells will die or greatly reduce.
December 31, 2015
Your young so it might be harder , but if you lean out in a healthy way, if might decrease that area. I think faces naturally lean out. I'm 43 and lost weight over and over and got thin, and that's what has eventually leaned my once chubby face out. (Now making me want fat grafting).
Did you try the steroid injections yet?
I do think there is probably still swelling.
You are still handsome. Things will resolve . These things take MONTHS. Botox after three months is finally releasing it's grip on my face. Beware of that nasty stuff!
December 31, 2015
Yes I've leaned out to single digit body fat before but it's super hard and makes me cranky and hungry all the time lol. I think my face is very angular and skeletal because I stay relatively fit and honestly I prefer the skeletal angular look as it looks more masculine but the downside is that my midface was kinda sunken and I looked tired so I wanted to refresh it by adding some fat in that way I could stay fit and angular but look rested but instead I got something akin to a cheek augmentation that looks soft and puffy and makes me look chubby in pics. Ugh. I'm certain there's still swelling but I just hope the fat goes away in the end id rather a tired masculine skeletal face that looks ok when I smile than a fat face that looks distorted when I smile. And yea I'm never doing fillers/injectables. I think the appropriate fix for my issue was paranasal implants to address the midface sag/folds . That way I get augmentation without looking puffy and fat
January 1, 2016
Hey you
You don't really know how fat grafting works.;) It takes about 3 to 6 months to make all the swelling go completely away. Then, when 3 to 6 months are past, you look like before, when you haven't had your fat grafting. But! The grafts start to "live" at this point and they grow. After 1 year you can really say how the result will be.
You have to wait:)
Best wishes and good luck
Carlo
January 1, 2016
Well my FT was 1.5 yrs ago. My face grows big when I gain 5lbs. I had my FT when I had an aggressive lower bleph. I was depressed & lost 15pounds. So I got the FT to correct my hollows. It took months for the lumps to show up bc of the swelling. Then I gained my normal weight back & my face gor huge. So I had to diet which was ok however I love sushi & while eating at sushi bar & using soy sauce the next day my face looked like a pumpkin. It took 4 days to go down. Far transfera in the wrong hands is a nightmare
January 1, 2016
PS I consulted w 20 ocular, facial & PS who all told me they couldn't help me bc of the area where it was injected
January 1, 2016
// Why didnt you put ice on the fat cells after 2 months
each day
should destroy the cells
did you have the phenomenon that the fat grew after about 4 months or did it stay the same after that time???
best wishes
carlo //
January 1, 2016
i tried everything cold packs, sat in hot tubs w hot clothes on face for hours, message, blue light therapy still there. so i went in and out of state, sent pictures to LA & beverly hills. all doctors said removing fat from LL & cheeks is too difficult. i posted this question on RS and had half dozen doctors say how to correct but when i went to get a consult it was a different story. i asked one doctor then why answer MY question saying he could help me, when he really couldnt. i didnt ask if a FT could be removed from my arm or breast but LL & cheeks. so why lie and say he can remove it on my post? was it to get more "top" status on RS bc the more questions they answer and the more the patient writes a positive review the more they move up on this so called list. one month they're top next month not. so even if you post a question be prepared to not get the real truth only an answer to become a "top" doctor. its not with all the doctors on this site, but for some
November 22, 2016
July 16, 2021
How much cc did you have injected in the cheeks? Hope you are better now.