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52, Face Looks So Miserable and Tired Reflecting Tough Times, Maybe Facelift/lower Lid Lift/botox the Answer? - Belgium

UPDATED FROM MonicaApril
1 year post

Finally got my eyes done - update 3/4 months after under-eye hollow fat graft fills etc

MonicaApril
WORTH IT$5,465

I meant to come back to update before this but had been travelling then went through a house sale etc. Anyway in early August I returned to Belgium (little town of Beveren, 20 minutes from Antwerp, I stayed in the Van de Valk hotel again - for just 2 nights - I'd still recommend v modern and clean with adjustable aircon and quite airy) about GBP 80 a night, so euro 100- plus a bus runs to and from the Gross Markt (main square) for just over a euro or something rather than 10 euros for taxi - I think the bus number is 83 but please double check) to have my eye hollows sorted out. (I had chickened out of this when having my facelift done as it seemed like too much healing to do, especially when I was anaemic - it wasn't medical advice, just my feeling).

It was great knowing where I was going and what to expect clinic-wise this time, it brought the anxiety level right down. The anaesthetist and nurse were the same team and just as sweet and calming. Dr O ran through what we'd agreed on:



. skin tag removal (by scalpel) - which would mean cuts close to lashline for both eyes

. fat collected from abdomen by cannula the size of a marker pen tip

. injection of fat into the hollows of each eye

. the right lower eyelid to be cut just under the lashline and the existing fat redistributed



Dr O marked me up and within 10 minutes give or take I was out under Twilight sedation (deep sedation, not aware of anything or any pain). When I awoke this time (again, just like waking up in the morning) I didn't feel any nausea or grogginess. I was able to leave within an hour and got the bus back to the hotel - 10 minute ride. It's advisable to get eye drops. When the painkiller wore off the pain was bearable, it was more sore with the eyes feeling irritated, like being in strong wind, so eyedrops were of the most use to me.



When I looked in the mirror the next morning, I looked pretty scary, my eyes were like slits and the stitches covered in crusts of blood. I was most concerned about my eyes looking more differently shaped than usual and some of the stitching looking puckered but Dr O told me later that it was normal and wouldn't affect the final result.



In a way my right eye effectively had a lower bleph, but apparently no loose skin was taken away, so my lid was intact - that may be why I didn't experience the contraction that you can see in some lower blephs where the lid pulls away from the eyeball leaving a gap. I never had that.



It only took about 4 days for the irritation/dryness to subside and I didn't use half my pack of eyedrop sachets. As with the facelift, the swelling from surgery made my eyes look fuller than they would end up. But early on I was pleased with how much more volume I'd got and how the dark shadows that aged me so much were pretty much eliminated.



Also I was happy to know that I could always get more fat put in at a later date. It's such a relatively 'easy' (for me!) and painfree procedure that the thought of doing it again is no problem at all. I would still have another facelift if necessary, but would have more anxiety about it.



After the post-surgery swelling had mostly gone and I was looking at the final result 2 or so months later, I was generally extremely happy with the rejuvenation of such a simple procedure (and it being natural fat as well) and people I'd told about it gave very positive feedback. Those I didn't tell probably didn't notice.



What I did notice though, within about 3 weeks of surgery, was a little pouch under my right eye. Dr O wasn't able to say what caused it, but says if it doesn't smooth out I can get a cortisone injection to flatten it (but apparently it's very painful, so not looking forward to that!).



Anyway, I can say with absolute conviction that I'd always go back to Dr Oelbrandt for any further procedures. As I said before, he doesn't push anything on you, gives you alternatives and treats holistically, interested in your mind as well as the physical aspect. He is easy to contact, and although as I said at the beginning, brutally honest, I find that integrity refreshing and priceless in this modern age. Also, the procedures are the cheapest I've come across at this high quality. It's all definitely been worth it for me, 100%.



I'll check my previous reviews for questions, although realise it's a bit late for some people now, but hope to help any others currently researching.

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Replies (3)

December 20, 2016
You look great so natural
December 21, 2016
Good for you and so glad you're happy with it!! Does it look different from when you had the fillers? Merry Christmas!
December 28, 2016
Hi there, yes it did look quite a bit better than the filler (restylane) but that's partly due to wanting to only buy half the recommended amount of filler, to save money for the fat graft - fat graft is much longer lasting than filler, filler is only for 6 months, filler should last years. It can disperse gradually, depending on your body, and you might feel the surgeon has underfilled to start with (caution is better than overdoing it) - easier to top up than take away. I felt more comfortable having my own cells put in my face than chemicals too.
December 28, 2016
Meant to add happy new year Casey! Hope you're well. Jude x
December 28, 2016
Sorry, I meant fat graft should last for years.
December 23, 2016
You look great, and well done you for doing something for yourself! Btw appreciated the good grammar!
December 28, 2016
Thanks Elka! Ha ha, I try to be careful with grammar - makes it easier to read don't ya think ;o)
UPDATED FROM MonicaApril
1 month post

Eye fillers at 7 weeks, that's it - for now!

MonicaApril
I realised soon after that my last post was horribly sanctimonious, talking about how my new face was going to help me save the world and all that crap. My only excuse is it was about 2am when I'm prone to delirious late night ramblings; I must apologise. I'm not really up my own a**!

Since my last post I've seen my PS for a check up and then yesterday went to Mrs Shah-Desai in Harley Street for 1ml of Restylane for my undereye hollows. Mrs S-D said I needed 2ml really and she's right but I couldn't afford it right now. It's £350 for first mil then 250 per subsequent ones. Eventually I'll have fat transfers for that area but she doesn't do them. Lower bleph doesn't address eye hollows, she told me.

My PS said my result was excellent and when I asked about the remaining, admittedly reduced, jowls, he said, as Sminky had advised, it's due to your face shape and you wouldn't have had a totally smooth jawline 20 years ago, which is true. He also said a liplift was unnecessary and would look silly on me. It's good that he reins you back in I suppose - and easier on the bank account! :)

So I think for now the update photos are as good as it gets for me! Thank you to everyone who's encouraged me and given such valuable advice and there for me in the scary first few days. It's so reassuring to have that kind support when you don't know what to expect and are panicking over the smallest things - and are in a foreign country! Thank you x a million. Now I'll get on with my very ordinary life.

And good luck to all those about to embark on their own surgery journey' - only do what you feel comfortable doing and I believe you'll feel less anxious about it.

A bientot. Jude

Replies (4)

May 29, 2015
Haha! You didn't sound sanctimonious! I think you are very funny. AND, YOU LOOK GREAT! Glad everything went well and enjoy your pretty new face!
May 31, 2015
Hi Casey, thanks so much for all your encouragement along the way and for your kind compliment, much appreciated! I love the RS forum and I'll be sticking around to check up on people no doubt. All the best to you and your face too! :) x
May 29, 2015
Oh dear don't apologize for keeping it real! That's why we are ALL here, to get the truth, down and dirty and all that goes with it! The eye filler looks awesome and glad you posted about it; my under eye hollows are causing me awful distress since I got dysport for an eyebrow lift that did nothing but cause me to have have houndog eyes even worse and heavy reverse batwing eyebrows. SOOO looks like I will try the undereye filler for a pick me up since yours look Marvelous and you look superfantastic young and perky!! You are a DOLL and thanks for all the hard truth along the way!! Congrats for your courage!!
May 31, 2015
Thanks a million CC! Yes you're right we should keep this site as real and educational as possible for everyone considering the big step of surgery. That's a shame about the Dysport, the houndog eye look is not exactly what you were looking for is it. I think Restylane is good for undereyes, as not too thick and lumpy. How was the Pelleve for you, I looked at your history and you had it done a year ago or so I think. Am I right in thinking that's a kind of fat transfer too?
May 31, 2015
No Pelleve is some kind of ultrasound want they wave over your face, absolutely no results and very expensive. The Sculptra I had on May 12 won't show any results either until after the second procedure on June 12. Very discouraging to be $2800 in the hole and looking actually worse than before plus speech and facial movement distrubances from the Dysport. My dentist told me Dysport should NEVER be used below the mid face and my injector never warned me of possible side effects of speech and movement issues. I wouldn't have done it if he was up front about it!! Oh well live and learn!!
May 31, 2015
wand not want...!
May 31, 2015
p.s.I actually have drooling issues on one side and leaked coffee from not being able to purse my lips completely due to paralyzed orbicularis oris muscle.
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May 29, 2015
all i know is i just found your blog on here today...for some reason it takes me a while to navigate around...and i really appreciate all your wisdom and writings and keeping it real to help us!! You look great and must be so happy with the look!
May 31, 2015
Thanks very much surf (may I call you Surf?) - I hope my story will be of use to you. You look great already but a little enhancement will be even better! I wish you luck, which you won't need of course :) and will watch for updates.
May 30, 2015
Look great! I wanted that done too but since I will do lower bleph around christmas my PS advice not to inject fillers now. As long as they are in the area he will not do lower bleph surgery there. I have thought about fat transplant too. When are you doing that?
May 31, 2015
Oh it'd be good if you could have fat transfer along with the lower bleph. I'm not sure when I can do fat transfer yet, I've just emailed my facelift PS but not heard back yet - recently I was told there's a 3 month wait. I'll let you know when it's imminent...
May 31, 2015
My PS says 6 month.
UPDATED FROM MonicaApril
1 month post

5 weeks later

MonicaApril
I'm glad to report that my ridge and dimpling have significantly improved since my last post - I no longer dread sudden gusts of wind blowing my hair off my face. Which is a relief, I can tell you.

However I still have jowls which make my face look square. I'm optimistic that these are exaggerated by remnants of fluid swelling my cheeks. I'm meant to be seeing my PS on Saturday. I read that the final outcome takes months, but as I had fairly limited surgery and I've healed ok and more feeling is returning, I shouldn't think my results will be much different to now. An happy to be corrected! I've been having some roofing work etc done at mum's house, and that's probably put years on me...

As I mentioned, just before I restart my life properly, I'm planning on having a liplift and some kind of lower eyelid procedure. I feel so self-indulgent wanting more done, but I'd only postponed my eyes before. And when it's all done I'll be much better equipped to contribute to society and have the confidence to be speak out for people like my mother and their carers.

And I know what you're thinking, and the answer is yes I did cut my own hair as I was fed up with greying curtains and couldn't get a salon appointment!! Don't worry I'll make sure I get a proper cut soon! My PS will probably be horrified.

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May 15, 2015
you look fabulous and so soon after surgery!
May 15, 2015
You certainly have an improvement and we tend to want petfection , I think you have a good result and understand exactly where you are coming from cause im the same aftre my lower face lift , back at work after 3 weeks and no one has commented but maybe thats a good thing , apparently it takes 3 months for the full effect , hope you are having x
May 15, 2015
I love your your new hair! That length works for you. I don't see the jowls you're speaking of and think you look fantastic! I am going to do a lower lift later this year so am anxiously following your results which I think are fabulous.
May 15, 2015
Good for you. You look fabulous!
May 30, 2015
Liplift! Please explain. ;)
May 30, 2015
Hi Nacklyft, glad you're doing fine. Well, I've got a short nose which results in a long gap between nose and upper lip, and a liplift is a minor procedure making a cut directly under the nostrils, all the way across (in a bullhorn shape I think), they cut out a couple of millimetres of skin at that point and stitch so the actual lip pulls up a bit, showing a few mm's of your top teeth. I think that's it anyway! So anyone with a thin upper lip or too long a top lip can benefit. I guess if it's overdone and you show too much teeth, you could resemble a rabbit - or worse. :)