I've become totally resistant to Botox, Dysport & Xeomin. Any doctors in the Miami area willing to attempt Myobloc on me?

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I'm a healthy, 35-year-old female. Over the last 2 years, I became totally resistant to Botox, Dysport & Xeomin (after 10+ years of great response). I've tried 2 different doctors to see it if was the product/technique and still had 0 zero results. I also took over a year off, recently trying again on my 11s. Still nothing but horrible swelling at the injection site after Dysport. I'm getting married soon and I'm desperate for a refresh before my big day.

Nirmal Nathan, MD · Answer

Dear maura1216,Sorry to hear about your resistance to multiple neuromodulators. Unfortunately I do not administer Myobloc in my office, but on occasion I have been willing to order special products to help patients in need. Your long time injectors should also be able to do the same, although as noted it may be more expensive. Also, you may show resistance to Myobloc as well. Good luck.

Jason Emer, MD · Answer

An alternative to Botox/Xeomin/Dysport would be a combination of fillers, lasers and microneedling/prp. I recommend getting a formal evaluation with a cosmetic dermatologist. Best, Dr. Emer

Alex Eshaghian, MD, PhD · Answer

Thank you for your question maura1216. I understand your concern. Botox is a purified protein used to address wrinkles associated with facial expression. When injected into the skin Botox will relax the muscles and smoothen out the overlying wrinkles. The most common areas of treatment are in the upper face. These include the horizontal lines seen on the upper forehead when one raises the brows, the vertical lines seen between the brows when one frowns (frown lines), and the crow's feet seen around the eyes when one smiles.It is difficult to make an assessment without a formal exam in the office where I can view the skin in multiple angles and observe wrinkles formed with facial expression. However, I hope the information provided here is useful.Botox (onabolutimun toxin) is what we call a neuromodulator. This means that it controls nerves to relax the muscles by preventing them from contracting. Botox is the most popular neuromodulator available, has been the most studied, and is cleared for the most number of indications. Other neuromodulators available in the United States include Dysport (abobolutimun toxin), Xeomin (incobolutimun toxin), and Mybloc (rimabolutimun toxin). Botox, Dysport, and Xeomin are type A toxins while Myobloc is a type B toxin. This means the structure of the protein is slightly different. Overseas many others are also available. Dysport is the most commonly used neuromodulator other than Botox in the United States. The dosing for Dysport is different than that for Botox. Approximately 2.5 to 3 units of Dysport are required for every unit of Botox. For example, in the glabella 20 units of Botox is most commonly used. If Dysport were to be used in this area 50 to 60 units of Dysport would be required. The investment per unit of Dysport is approximately 2.5 to 3 times less than that of Botox. While the manufacturer states that the units of Xeomin are a one to one equivalent of Botox, many doctors find that a higher dose of Xeomin is required to produce the same effects as Botox. Each product has slight differences, but all of them work. Dysport, for example, is known to spread more than Botox. This makes it useful in places like the underarms where it can be used for excessive sweating. However, if it spreads near the eyes it can lead to side effects such as a droopy eyelid. Xeomin is also called a naked protein, because it does not contain the accessory proteins that are included with Botox or Dysport. It is thought to have a slightly faster onset (by one to two days faster) than Botox or Dysport. It is also thought to have a decreased likelihood for allergic reactions, although allergic reactions to Botox and Dysport are incredibly rare. In the United States Myobloc is not FDA cleared for cosmetic use and is primarily used for muscle pain in those with cervical dystonia. The majority of our patients find that they like the results of Botox the best. Additionally, Allergan, the maker of Botox, offers the Brilliant Distinctions Program. This is a rewards program where patients receive points from their Botox treatments which can be used toward discounts at subsequent treatments. Points are also received when patients purchase other treatments in the Allergan portfolio including Juvederm Ultra, Juvederm Ultra Plus, Voluma, Volbella, Vollure, and Kybella or products such as Latisse or Skin Medica products.In rare cases, some people are resistant to a certain neuromodulator such as Botox. In this case the treatment can be repeated using a different neuromodulator such as Dysport or Xeomin. Mybloc is a less common neuromodulator that can be used.With any injection, there are risks such as pain, bleeding, bruising, redness, swelling, tenderness, and infection. We take special precautions to minimize these risks such as using a painless technique. We also treat bruises with a laser as early as the next day. Bruises usually resolve within two weeks if untreated. After a laser treatment bruises usually resolve in 1-3 days, but may still take two weeks for full resolution. In addition to these risks, with Botox there is also a risk that the product spreads or diffuses to nearby structures. Spread to nearby muscles can lead to side effects such as the temporary appearance of droopy eyelids or a temporary asymmetric smile.After a Botox treatment, I recommend that my patients avoid heat exposure, alcohol consumption, and strenuous exercise for 24 hours and not lie down flat for four hours. This is because all of these activities may possibly lead to the movement of the product and consequent side effects such as droopy eyelids as described above. Although there have been no definitive studies shown that these actually occur and some physicians do not provide such aftercare instructions, in the absence of data I err on the side of caution and recommend that my patients avoid such activities.Please consult with a doctor for specific recommendations. Good luck!

Leonard Grossman, MD · Answer

I have been using myobloc for the last 25 years and it has been a godsend to the patients who are resistant to Botox xeomin and dysport. I am certain that you can find a doctor in the Miami area who uses it. The use of Myoblock is no different than that of Botox, just a concentration is different. You do have to understand that myobloc is much more expensive than Botox or the other neurotoxin products. Good luck from New York City.PS there is still a small chance you may be resistant to Myoblock as well

Corey L. Hartman, MD, FAAD · Answer

what do you mean that you’ve become resistant to these products?  Are you seeing no benefit at all once injected or do you feel as though the effect doesn’t last as long as it used to or as long as you would like it to?

I've become totally resistant to Botox, Dysport & Xeomin. Any doctors in the Miami area willing to attempt Myobloc on me?

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I've become totally resistant to Botox, Dysport & Xeomin. Any doctors in the Miami area willing to attempt Myobloc on me?

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Answer: Resistant to Botox and the likes

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Answer: Resistant to all toxins

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