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Breast Reduction with Lift and Lipo on the Sides of Breasts - Toronto, Ontario

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I have been large chested my whole life, and came...

Bragurl
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I have been large chested my whole life, and came into the financial means to get breast reduction with lift, tummy tuck and lipo (flanks (love handles), and sides of breasts). I chose to go to another province where I am from originally, in a bigger city where there was more choice for surgeons.
I was not nervous at all about the surgery-I'm pretty good with that sort of thing. I am still on the fence about my results-I started as a 36G, and was supposed to go down to a D cup, but am still wearing the 36G bras?....The doctor is unable to tell me why this is. He says that after 3 months I'll be where I am at and there won't be many changes after that.....very contradictory to what everyone else tells me.

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March 14, 2014
Wow. Sorry to hear your doctor's been so indifferent since your surgery. I was a DD+ hoping to get down to a C but like you, still able to fit in my old bras-of which I was spilling over. it looks like you are healing very well. I had surgery Jan 24. Right side has no issues but left has an open spot that gives me trouble.
March 15, 2014
Sorry to hear you are having issues as well! I wasn't spilling over my original bras though-they fit me perfectly. I am a custom bra-maker, so my bras always fit...lol. And they still fit. But the lovely ladies here on this site keep telling me to give it another couple of months, which I find to be very supportive. I had my surgery just before you, on Jan. 15, so it sounds like we feel the same! Have they given you Fucidin or any sort of strong topical antibiotic for the open spot?
March 14, 2014
Sorry to hear about your experience with Dr. J. I had a consultation with him and thought he was great. Unfortunately, most people forget that for the doctor, cosmetic surgery is a business. They get their money and then move on to the next patient. My PS was completely unconcerned with me and my concerns after my BL/BA too. Your breasts look amazing though and you are barely scarring. Dr. J did a really good job. Wait a couple more months; the swelling will go down.
March 15, 2014
He actually was a lot better when I actually met with him in person, but seems to have no interest in communicating with me afterwards about concerns. I understand it's a business, but customer service should play a big part in any business, particularly medical when you cut into someone's body. There is a duty of care that the doctor is responsible for, even after the surgery. Not only that, but there's potential for repeat business form someone as well-I had other things I was contemplating, but won't go to him now. I spent $18,000 in total with the BL/BR, TT and lipo, and don't feel it's unreasonable to expect him to give adequate follow up treatment.
March 15, 2014
Absolutely!
March 15, 2014
I've had a few surgeries and find that PS give the worst after care service. Dr. J was actually the nicest one I have met, but I will think twice before going to him in the future.
March 15, 2014
Yeah-it was not great at all. I wouldn't go back unless it was for a free fix-up of something that he had done. But free form a PS? HA! Not a chance unless its major. I am looking at getting some lipo on my inner and outer thighs and cellulite treatment through a PS here in Calgary that has come highly recommended via word of mouth, so if I decide to go through with that I will ask first what his follow up is like!
March 17, 2014
PS's say it takes a full year to recover from breast surgery so after that if your bra size doesn't go down then you should definitely contact Dr. J and ask him to another BR for free. Reputable PS's would do it.
March 17, 2014
That's good to know-thank you! Its funny, because I actually called Kim M. in his office today, and she asked me what would make me happier with my results-said that Dr. J was really upset about the fact that I wasn't happy with my results. I told her if I didn't see an improvement over the next couple of months, or whatever time frame Dr. J set, I wanted the lipo on my love-handles re-done and more taken off my breasts if I don't go down to the D cup I expected. She is going to talk to him about it. So if he says "wait another 6 months and if things aren't changed, then I will do it" then thats fine-I will wait. But for some reason he tells me that by the 2-3 month point, I will be at my baseline measurements and I shouldn't expect to see much change after that-but everyone else, including doctors on here, all say different. Is that a normal thing to hear, that after 2-3 months most of the major changes will already have happened? Its so contradictory to what everyone else is telling me!
March 17, 2014
I would stick to what your PS tells you. The other PS's are just telling you their beliefs in general, they never actually did surgery on you. Dr. J knows your body and how it should heal. If he says 2-3 months then that's good news for you. I saw your pics and you're pretty swollen; I don't see that completely being healed by 2-3 months, but I'm no PS. I had a PS tell me once that lipo takes at least 6 months to see results. I'm surprised to hear Dr. J would re-do the lipo. If he does then that's really nice of him. I know you want to see immediate results but that doesn't happen with cosmetic surgery. Be patient, I'm sure in a couple months you'll be really happy with the results. I've read Dr. J's reviews and everybody says he's an excellent surgeon. He probably didn't seem too concerned with you after the surgery because he knew that patients can panic after surgery and that everything would be fine once you healed.
March 14, 2014
How was the results of your tummy tuck and lipo? Were you happy with those results? I hope your breasts heal and go down to the size you had wanted.
March 15, 2014
They told me to start putting antibiotic ointment on it each day after shower then bandaid. I sent a photo to PS and he said they may actually stitch it next week on my visit. Mainly just to keep it clean and covered until.
March 15, 2014
Yeah, thats what I did too-used Polysporin for a few days until I realized it wasn't really helping, then they said to go to the walk-in cllinic (because I ma in another province than my PS) and ask for Fucidin-that cleared it right up. I cleaned, swabbed with alcohol and put the antibiotic Fucidin cream on it-took about 2 weeks to fully close up. Mine wasn't just open-it was infected, but that all cleared it up-its a bit of an ugly scar right now, but its right on the underside of my breast so you can't even see it
March 15, 2014
I know! I didn't even know about it because its so low. Maybe I will get that cream. Thought of a stitch hurts but I just want it closed. I also have a cleavage fold on left that he is going to snip and tuck in a few weeks. Meanwhile, right side is beautiful.
March 16, 2014
Hi Bragurl....well, tomorrow I am going for my 2nd reduction, I had one about 1 year ago....my Dr also did not take out enough tissue and I knew it right from the start as I never went down in bra size either...I went from a very full, full DD to a full DD....he told me it would take 6 months for the swelling to see where I am at.....nothing changed......he is a wonderful Dr and maybe I did not make my self clear. He is re-doing this tomorrow and not charging me anything....I hate going through it again, but I want to be a small C and pd for that.....sorry you are not the size you hoped....most people say that notice within a few weeks if they changed, maybe you still have lots of swelling.....I am sure if you got back in touch with this Dr, he would re-do it for you..good luck. Nothing is worse than going through all this and to end up with the same result....Tomorrow is St Patrick's Day, so hopefully a lucky day for me....keep me posted....catlaw7
March 16, 2014
No, I was very, very clear about what size I wanted to be. It's now been close to 2 months since surgery and I have asked him why I am not smaller and wearing the same bras as before and his answer is "I don't know". Which is one of the reasons I am so unhappy with him. At least your doctor is standing by his work and fixing it for you free of charge. I will go out to see my PS after 3 months, and if I am still not into a D cup I am going to ask him to re-do it. He has been very uncooperative since I had my surgery, so I am not hopeful. But I am glad that yours is being done again-that's awesome that he is standing by his work!
March 16, 2014
So Sorry you PS is so uncooperative...that cannot be good for business.....my PS is great and has a wonderful bedside manner and he even tells you to call him at home if anything should occur out of office hours....I am scared again, I hate having to be put to sleep again, hate it , hate it....also, forgot to tell you....that he has felt really bad about me being unhappy that he is going to lipo my tummy for nothing, he said,,,,extra bonus because I know you are not happy...so doing lipo on tummy tomorrow and breast reduction.....I bet you PS will not re-do for at least another 6 months, which makes sense...but he should re-do for nothing.....I do have to pay 1,100 for operating room and anotheglist (sp)....worth it.....keep me posted and keep after your PS.....
March 16, 2014
That's funny that you say that actually, because this guy works on all sorts of people, from prostitutes to celebrities to regular joes like me-he's considered to be one of the top PS in Toronto. But his head nurse said that its not the first time that he has been critiqued for his poor bedside manner. I just got off the phone with his nurse a few minutes ago, and she said that he feels terribly about me not being happy with the results-I told her that I couldn't tell because his manner was so poor. She asked me what they could do to ensure that I was happy and I told her that after 3 months, if there was no significant decrease in the breast size and in the area he did lipo (love-handles), that I would want him to do it over again. She said she would talk to him and see what he said about that. I don't mind of I have to pay for the anesthesiologist, and the doctor has his own private surgical facilities, so if their are extra costs there, thats ok. Better than having to pay someone else all over again to do it!. You are lucky he's doing lipo on your tummy for free-thats great! Why do you hate being put to sleep though? I love it-its the only time I ever get a full sleep...lol! Its ok if my PS won't re-do for 6 months-thats fine. I'd want to know why though, because he said that I should be pretty much at baseline by 3 months and there wouldn't be any other major changes after that. So we will see what he says-his head nurse and operations manager is going to call me back on Tuesday after she talks to him. Hopefully he says he'll do it again after a certain amount of time-it would be really bad press for him if he didn't!
March 16, 2014
And good luck tomorrow! You'll be fine!
March 16, 2014
Thats wonderful news that the nurse is a least trying to help you out......I hope all works out for you......it will.....I have waited nearly a yr before going through the Breast Reduction again....I don't know why I hate to be put to sleep, SCAREY KAT...your right, its the best sleep I ever get....btw I am 62 yrs old.....so...you can see I waited all my life for smaller boobs and then didn't happen.....been married for 40 yrs, husband is fairly supportive, not too happy I don't think about going through this all over again...yeah, as if it were him....keep me posted and I will let you know how I do tomorrow.
March 16, 2014
Yeah-mine wasn't happy about me getting it done in the first place..lol. I asked him "If your penis was huge and droopy and was going to hit your knees, would you get it fixed?" and he was like "Thats weird, but yes"...so I said "Well then, that's how I feel about my boobs-I just turned 40 last month and they are headed to my waist-so I am getting the surgery. Suck it up and get over it." lol. He definately was not prepared for the recovery that came along with it, as I had the BR/BL, TT and lipo all at once. And I've already told him I very well may get lipo on my inner and outer thighs as well and now he just says "Ok, honey-if that's what you want". (It's actually my money, so he really doesn't get a say anyway..lol)
March 16, 2014
He He....well, husbands have to suck it up, although I live with a real control freak....today, he doesn't feel good, he has a headache, his blood pressure is up..yup, because he knows he has to cook and clean for a few weeks....lol
March 16, 2014
lmao! Yep-my husband isn't even a control freak at all, and he still gets that way when he knows he has to take care of things for a while. Such babies sometimes....
March 16, 2014
Best wishes Catlaw 7. Hoping so much it will work out to your satisfaction. Just had my second BR, but I waited ten years in between. Now, at seven weeks post op, I am much smaller than when I went in. Hoping for a C cup. Can't wait to hear about your result.
March 16, 2014
hahahahah. Good for you.
UPDATED FROM Bragurl
2 months post

61 days post-op...

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Scars on breasts are healing nicely...itchy, but no scabbing or anything left (I didn't have much to begin with, other than the small infected area) Tried to wear underwire bras this week, but they just irritated my scars so I went back to the comfy sports bras for a while longer. Using Bio Oil 2 x per day and it really helps the scarring-I am already starting to see the scars beginning to fade in little spots.
Still unhappy about sizing, but after talking to Kimmers25 on one of her posts, I realize that I need to be more patient waiting for the size to go down. My 36G bras (original size) only have a little bit of looseness in them (I could maybe do an F, but haven't tried them on yet-waiting). Since I also had a TT and lipo at the same time, and since I have also been sick a couple of times since surgery, my body is taking its sweet time to heal. Eating protein and healthy fats-low, low carbs, as I don't really enjoy carbs much. More cheese, steak, fish, chicken, and lots of veggies.

Have added lots more pics of both pre-surgery, during the last month and currents.

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March 16, 2014
4 months seems to be the advice for bra sizing and underwires, so way too soon for you.
March 25, 2014
I know-I've been getting impatient, but have noticed they are starting to go down in size a bit. So I'm just enjoying the comfort of the wireless bra, and then my bathing suits until I can wear wired bras again-then I'll make some gorgeous new, smaller ones!
March 25, 2014
Bragurl: Is this your second reduction? I can't remember but think so....I know what you mean, mine look smaller (this is my second), but still don't know if they will be small enough.....I won't tell you what my husband said to me.....lol....
March 25, 2014
Nope-this is my first reduction only-I have been offered a second reduction by my PS if they are not the size I wanted them to be by November of this year. Chances are I won't need a second one, as I am working out, and my breasts are already starting to go down, slowly. When I lose weight it comes off my breasts first, so I may even wind up with a C cup in the end after weight loss. I already ahve the next one scheduled for any revisions, more lipo on my flanks, as well as lipo on my inner and outer thighs if I still need it by then. Trying to work it off first!
March 25, 2014
When did you have your reduction? I want to work out, but its only been a week, too sore at this point....I need to quit the darn eating...glad you are doing well.
March 25, 2014
I had mine on Jan. 15th of this year
May 8, 2014
I had it Jan. 15.
May 8, 2014
No,this is my first reduction. My husband doesn't want me doing anything else to them
March 16, 2014
I have not changed at all since two weeks post op. Measuring exactly the same. I have not purchased any new bras because I am still wearing the same size. I hope you have a different outcome. Hopefully you will go down a bit more. I have heard amazing things about your surgeon. I guess they all have their good and less good points.
March 25, 2014
No-I haven't purchased new bras either-but then, I am a bra-maker, so I will just make them when I am ready. As Peediewife states below, 4 months is the advice before getting into new underwire bras and sizing, and I am just hitting 9 weeks out. Good thing for me is that I will be spending almost all of April somewhere hot and sunny-Maui next week, then Vegas, then Mayan Riviera, so i won't really need bras. And honestly, they are up pretty high now, and are good for the time being with just the wireless bras.
March 25, 2014
What a fabulous trip! Enjoy!!
March 25, 2014
Have you started to decrease in size yet? I know, we are all impatient aren't we? Being this is the second time around for me, they had better be the size I want...I am only 1 week out, but they do look smaller.......not enough to suit me yet though
March 25, 2014
I have only just started to decrease in size in both breast and hips within the last week, which made me go from a 16 to a 14 in dresses. Incidentally, within the last two weeks I started work for one hour twice a week with a personal trainer, and also last week started having lymphatic drainage massages (3 so far-another on Thursday) and also doing dry brushing-coincidence? I think not-those massages are really, really beneficial and so is the dry brushing to get those lymph nodes moving!
March 25, 2014
You know how it works-be patient and give it time...something a lot fo us women are not good with..lol. Did everything go smoothly?
March 25, 2014
Thanks-its going to be interesting, going away, then coming back for a few days just long enough to do my laundry, then doing the whole process all over again. On the up-side, it will take my mind off my results and by the time I am back for a while at the beginning of May, I might be surprised when I do actual measurements.
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March 17, 2014
I went with Dr. J as well. Agree with HIS bed side manner and after care. The girls there are so great it sometimes makes you forget how non-existent he is. I do believe however that he should be the one at every consultation, pre op and post op appts to monitor his patients personally oppose to his nurses doing so. On other note though....his work is good . So he gets credit there lol. Hope you reach your desired results soon!
March 17, 2014
Completely agree! Glad someone else had the same experience with that end of things. And yes, his work is good. I actually just received an email today from Kim M. that she had talked to him and in the fall, once the changes from the current surgeries are final-if I am not happy with the results, he will re-do the breast reduction and lipo for me. So that has made me very happy. So now its just a matter of waiting and hopefully that i get my desired results and don't have to get a new surgery!
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March 18, 2014
Thats good. Glad to hear that hes at least offering that to you. All the best :)
March 27, 2014
Thanks!
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March 25, 2014
thank you so much for the pics, i can see that you have the fuzzy wider bits of scarring round your nipples that I have but yours are much lighter, it lets me see what mine will look like in a few weeks. i am also using bio oil
UPDATED FROM Bragurl
2 months post

More pics coming soon..

Bragurl
I will be 9 weeks out as of tomorrow, so will take new pics-the last pics are from about 3 weeks or so ago, so its about due. Will try to post by tomorrow....

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