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BRAVA and fat transfer to breast

UPDATED FROM JaKho
1 year post

Over 12 months after AFT and liposuction

JaKho
WORTH IT$11,000
I am updating my review of the AFT and liposuction 13months after the procedure. I am 100% happy with my results. I am a solid 32C (was a sad and saggy 32A before procedure) and have great cleavage due to the way Dr. Hartog placed the fat towards the "cleavage" area of my breasts. It took me at least 12 months for the sensation loss and tingling of my back to resolve. I still have mild asymmetry (was present before the procedure, one breast saggier than the other) that is only noticeable when I stare at my chest. I have no regrets about anything. If you have the stamina and patience for this procedure then go for it! I think in 50 plus years we will look back at breast implants and be shocked that anyone would put foreign material in their body. I will try to post a 1 year post op photo when I get a chance.

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Jeffrey M. Hartog, DMD, MD

Jeffrey M. Hartog, DMD, MD

Board Certified Plastic Surgeon

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Replies (5)

March 1, 2014
Thanks you for the update!!! Very happy it all worked so well for you! Post some pics when you get a chance. Were you concerned about the lipo? I am about the same BMI as you tho i am 5'9" and 140lbs. Also, how in the world did you handle three little kids and Brava, not to mention recovery? I know how hard it is to have kids crawling all over you when your body and breasts are so sensitive and all the kids want to do is sit on you lap and put (whack) their heads against your chest.
March 7, 2014
I wasn't worried about the liposuction, although is retrospect I really should have been. I had my kids crawling all over me day 4 and beyond. It was basically horrible, but I think when you are a mom you can handle anything. My arms and breasts were actually the LEAST sore. My back, legs, and abdomen killed me. I am not sure how I managed, I guess you can deal with anything if you don't have a choice. The BRAVA was crazy, but you can hold a child on your hip with BRAVA on.... not much fun. I hope that helps.
March 10, 2014
HI. Lovely results. About what percentage of the fat do you think you lost overall?
September 28, 2014
I did not appear to loose any fat from the transfer. Absolutely no complications. Successful increase 2 cup sizes.
April 14, 2014
Hi, I had the procedure 2 weeks ago in the UK. Can I wear Brava for 3 months? how many hours a day is best? is 10 hrs the maximum time daily? Are there any food/drinks to help maximise results? Thanks
July 6, 2014
The small scars in your upper breast pole area and your cleavage look conspicuously like the scars left after the doctor places the Refine medical device. Dr. Hartog invented it. It's a permanent, BARBED, mesh implant. I think I have one in me too, though I never consented to it's placement. And it's causing me HORRIFIC pain (Dr. Khouri --the butcher of my breasts, also gave me a RAFT-- a reverse tummy tuck, where he took my upper abdominal skin (of which I did not have much excess) and advanced it upwards to create a new breast. (I also did not consent to this--just look what he did to me--see my review). Anyway, I was wondering if you're had lots of pain starting at around 3 weeks post op, and also if you had the Refine permanent (implant) suture placed in your breasts. It really does look like you have those things in you (based on the placement of your scars)...I'm sorry if I sound angry but I just found out I have these things in me which Dr. Hartog invented.
July 12, 2014
Flat2fake2free'n'fab When you say you did not consent to this you are saying you did not sign any consent forms before having your surgery with Dr. Khouri? I had to sign a stack of them including one explaining the procedures about to be done to me. I find this very odd that you did not sign anything before having surgery.
September 28, 2014
There are absolutely no devices or mesh placed in my breasts. I am a doctor and feel confident to say that I would be able to palpate or discover any foreign material in my breasts. I also had an MRI performed after the procedure and no foreign material was noted. I have absolutely zero pain or complications. I hope that answers your question.
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October 23, 2014
I would like to emphasize that the Refine procedure and the RAFT procedure have some similarities, but are essentially completely different procedures with different indications. I also did NOT invent the Refine device, but I am one of the few physicians in Florida to use it when I think it is indicated. The Refine device is a specially designed suture with small barbs designed primarily to provide a small amount of lift and help with upper pole fullness. The RAFT procedure is a much more extensive procedure used mostly in breast reconstruction to help shape the reconstructed breast (usually with fat transfer), create a breast fold, and pull up some of the upper abdominal tissue under the breast to help provide more enlargement of the breast size and at the same time tighten the upper abdomen. RAFT stands for Reverse Abdominoplasty with Fat Transfer. It involves using larger stronger sutures that go all the way around from the muscle above and around the lower breast and upper abdominal area. It is definitely a more uncomfortable procedure but can be extremely effective particularly for breast reconstruction. My own wife had fat transfer for bilateral breast reconstruction after mastectomies with the RAFT procedure as part of her fat grafting multistage process. The first month after the procedure was difficult for her, but the final result after almost 3 years is excellent, resulting in a natural small D cup result, using only her own fat. Like every other procedure the RAFT procedure and fat transfer to the breast, have advantages and disadvantages, just as do all the procedures we do including breast implants and breast lifts. Most surgeons like myself and Dr. Khouri do our best to meet or exceed patient expectations, as we all understand that happy patients refer their friends. Unfortunately we do not always meet these expectations, particularly in some of the more difficult cases.
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October 23, 2014
Thank you very much for your detailed postings and review. I am very pleased that you are satisfied with your outcome. I think the key to satisfaction with fat transfer is having patients with the correct expectations and understanding of the procedure and results. Both fat transfer and breast implants have advantages and disadvantages, and the key to satisfaction with either is the correct expectations whichever choice one makes.
UPDATED FROM JaKho
1 month post

8 weeks post op. FINALLY the misery is over! My...

JaKho
8 weeks post op. FINALLY the misery is over! My liposuction has taken the full 8weeks to recover, and I still don't feel like I can run without discomfort and my lower back is still numb. I really can't complain, however, because I know this is all a part of the healing process. I wanted to walk you guys through my AFT. After I stopped wearing BRAVA 3 weeks post op 10hr/ day I didn't really notice a decrease is size. The swelling went down after like a day, but the fullness remained (if you wear BRAVA then you know what I am talking about). For about a week I was so anxious about losing size, but that has not happened. I never had any cysts or obvious loss of fat (thanks Dr. Hartog!) so I really can't comment on that. I can tell you that I obsessed on fat loss and was literally worried almost every day that the boobs would go away. At about 5 or 6 weeks I finally decided to "let it go" and be content with whatever happens. Stressing about your boobs for 2+ months is exhausting! My scars at 8 weeks look like big freckles and a few are slightly raised. It is still winter so at least I don't have to worry about sun exposure yet. After like 4 weeks I felt like I could wear an underwire bra and a low cut shirt and no one would know I had anything done (no bruising, no obvious scars, etc). One thing to mention is that my nipples went back to "normal" and at 8 weeks all the dark pigmentation from wearing the BRAVA has exfoliated off and my nipples are pink again (instead of a darker pink). I have zero sensitivity or pain. I started sleeping on my stomach at about 6 weeks. I was comfortable having "simple" sex at about 2 weeks. I didn't feel comfortable with any boob touching for about 6 weeks (PMS boobs do not want to be handled!). That is all I can think to tell you. Let me know if you have any postop questions. I'm gonna post pictures at the 3 month mark.

Replies (5)

March 3, 2013
Hi . . I have 6 more days untill my surgery date. Spoke to Darlene at brava yesterday. She said I can start my marathon wear now since I'm off work untill a few day after my surgery. So today I put them on about 4:30 and will leave them on untill about 8:00 on Monday. She also said to jump up the cycling. I have been doing like you and going to high pressure and letting it set awhile, it's hard to get thing done around the house with these things on. On a not so good note I need to call my ps on Monday morning and see if we might be able to reschedule my surgery for a few days later. My husband is stuck in Texas and can't see how he can make it home in time. So I will have to see what I can do. I really wanted him to be here. Besided he's my driver.
March 21, 2013
Hi. Did you only wait 1 day (24 hours) to put the Brava back on after your surgery? I noticed you wrote this but some docs are saying that Khouri's protocol is to wait 72 hours to put the Brava back on after surgery. How is everything now? You look great!
May 9, 2013
I wore BRAVA 24hrs after surgery and for 3 consecutive days (only removing to shower). I am 4+ months out and every day I am glad I had the procedure. I still have soreness on my upper butt when I run, but that is all. My scars continue to shrink and lighten. I'll update and post pictures at 6months.
May 9, 2013
Thanks Jakho!  Thats exactly what I did, waited 24 hours to put on and only wore Brava for 3 days straight after surgery as I got really sick after that & could not wear Brava any longer.  How come you only wore it for 3 days post surgery & not longer?  Or, did you wear it longer post surgery but at night only?  Yes, I am 1 month out today and I am so glad I did the surgery as well.  My results are awesome!  How many pants sizes did you go down?  I went from a size 4 to a size 0 in 1 month!  It is crazy good! LOL  Can't wait to see your results at 6 mths.  I tried to run a little today but my hips were sore so I stopped.  Is 1 month too soon to run?  When did you start running?
May 9, 2013
I did 3 consecutive days and the 10-12hrs a day for 3 more weeks. My size didn't change as much as the muffin top was gone and no more saddle bags. I was unable to run for several months. The elliptical and bike were fine for me after 1 month, but high impact running is still "uncomfortable". I have a mud run in August and Tough Mudder in November so I have to start running. My upper butt area is sore after I run but I am working through it. I hope this helps. I am holding steady at 34C and size 2/0. It only gets better!
May 9, 2013
Thanks JaKho.  Wow, I have to wait months before I can run comfortably..that is stinky!  I am mostly a walker but I love to put in little running sprints for the high/low combo.  Poo!  I am glad you are holding steady at 34C & size 2 or 0, that is what I want to hold steady at since I am that now.  Okay, so I missed those 3 weeks that you did after the 3 days but I seem to be okay.  I am thinking positive! LOL
May 10, 2013
I think with this procedure you can only do your best and then let it go. I am glad that I don't think about my boobs anymore and can focus on other more important things than my body. It is draining to worry. I think after 3 months you can feel settled with the results and not worry. The swelling from the liposuction took 8 weeks to really go down.
May 9, 2013
Jakho when did you start cycling? how long before surgery. I am having a heck of a time getting answers/feedback from Dr. Hartog's office about extra cycling. I can't get a black bulb and the medela pump isn't available to me in Boston. I am going to rig something up and cycle myself but I am wondering if you could share the guidelines. I so appreciate your time
May 10, 2013
You should be cycling after 1 weeks of BRAVA wear (once your skin gets used to the domes). The black bulb should have come with your BRAVA domes and is not something extra the doctor provides. The extra equipment would have come with your BRAVA domes package. The guidelines I used are described in my posts and so there is no need for me to rewrite them at this time. It sounds to me like you may not be using the BRAVA under the guidelines of a doctor, as this stuff is very basic to the procedure and handouts are provided by the doctor when you get the domes. I don't mean to sound snippy, but this procedure is best used by individuals who are informed and overseen by their PS and staff. Your outcome may be poor if you do this without the proper guidance and compliance. Regimens for cycling may be different if you had implants, had a lump removed, are asymmetrical, or have other issues with the breast tissue. Good luck.
May 10, 2013
Thabks for your response i just wanted to make sure i didnt miss anyrhing thst you didnt post. Actually, I'm scheduled with your surgeon Dr. Hartog on may 29th. Brava has been a nightmare due to the recent recall and closure of the study. They stopped selling it through dr's offices and disallowed the bulb. The FDA is reconsidering and will be opening the study again shortly but I am in a bad window. I know you had a great experience with Hartog and his office but I am finding their lack of support frustrating. They have not made a bulb or the medela machine available to ma and seen annoyed at my attempts to find some on my own. That is why I am trying to figure out cycling on my own. Thank you very much for your time, and your response . Jen
May 10, 2013
That does sound super frustrating! My sympathies, I now look totally *itchy! I hope everything turns out ok. Good luck. J
May 10, 2013
Thank you for this kind response.
July 17, 2013
Hi Jakho, Any updates?  Are you still retaining?  Still happy? Amelia
February 5, 2014
Hey Amelia, Yes I am so happy. Looking back, the process was a huge commitment. However, I am only 32 and want to enjoy my body and lifestyle. Even though it was really hard to wear the BRAVA, I can now look forward to my 30s without thinking about my boobs all the time. Best Wishes J
November 12, 2013
which size of tegaderm should i GET?
February 5, 2014
Depends on your issues. I just bought the big size and cut to the shape I needed. Best wishes.
UPDATED FROM JaKho
14 days post

Ok. Two weeks post op. My bruising and swelling...

JaKho
Ok. Two weeks post op. My bruising and swelling has come down significantly and I now fit into by regular clothes (but no skinny jeans for me). The original Marena garment I had post op was starting to dig into my skin so I have started alternating with my stage 2 compression garment (Veronique). The Stage 2 is really tight but I find that my skin sensitivity is less annoying when I wear the tighter garment. I have also purchased 2 Spanx high waisted tights that hit at the knee. I wear them inside out to avoid seam imprints. I take Arnica (oral) twice a day and Arnica massage cream every night. I also apply Aquaphor to the liposuction punctures to keep the scabs soft and not itchy. Almost all the scabs have fallen off at this point. I did a small workout today and felt fine. When I move from sitting I do have a feeling of intense pulling under my skin and it takes me several hobbling steps to loosen up.

My breasts: The bruising is 100% resolved and the needle punctures have long been closed up and are healing. My breasts feel sensitive like when you get PMS and I am wearing no underwire nursing bras that are very comfortable and supportive. I can tell my cleavage is going to be amazing when I wear a real bra. My breasts are a solid C (I was originally a saggy A) and the shape of them is amazing. My husband thinks my boobs are "perfect" and combined with the liposuction says I am a "10". He is very pleased with the changes and my sisters and close friends have already noticed a change in my shape. I look totally different with clothes. I was always petite, but now I have some curves to go with by slim shape. I am 5'4" and weight 120lbs (size 2 bottom, size 0 top) so a C looks pretty good on my frame.

Ok- next update at 6 weeks. I hope this info is helpful.

Replies (5)

January 18, 2013
I went to see my ps yesterday about getting started with the Brava. I was measured for the domes.They called Brava to order the domes. The ps's office called me and I can pick them up on monday. They keep a few Brava systems on stock and just happened to have the size I need. Just makes it that I can get started sooner than I expected. I will be starting a review soon.
January 26, 2013
Make sure you get that Aloe Life Gel, it is a life saver. If you can't sleep in the BRAVA try some Benadryl (it helps with itchy domes and knocks you out so you can sleep).
January 19, 2013
Thanks so much for the update and YAY for the great outcome! I have scheduled a consulation with the doctor who will more than likely be doing my surgery. It's so surreal because I've been researching this procedure for what feels like FOREVER! Reviews like yours are so helpful!! I'm so glad for this site! I'll start my own review after my consultation. Congratulations again!!
January 24, 2013
Hi Jakho! I saw the photos and Congratulations, you look great! Do you have any photos PRE-Brava system. I'm very curious to see a true before (Brava) and after the fat transfer??! Thank for sharing you experience!
January 26, 2013
The first photo is me before ANYTHING. I am a 32A, 5'4" and 120lbs. My boobs are basically sacs of skin. The second set of pictures is after wearing BRAVA (my boobs were actually bigger than that right before surgery). The final picture was post op (lots of swelling). I am 3 weeks out right now and have not worn BRAVA for 48 hours plus and I seem to be holding steady at really nice 34C. My PS did a great job enhancing by cleavage are, so even without a pushup bra my breasts look great.
January 26, 2013
Wow! That's great that you're holding onto the transferred tissue! Thanks for explaining the chronology, it's helps a lot. The Brava seems to be a key player in this procedure. Do you think the increase from the Brava alone would stick around if you had stopped wearing it? Did your doc do any Stem Cell treatments to the fat? Thanks for sharing!
January 27, 2013
Wanted to ask you where your purchased your automatic pump that you used. Thanks
January 28, 2013
It was a rental through my PS. It is not necessary but really helpful. I got tons of more cycling done with it in the last week. The more expansion you have before the fat transfer the more fat you can get in and the better survival. You had implants so you probably have a lot more space than I did. In the end I was expanded to a 34D and am now a 34C so I think it helped.
February 1, 2013
Looks great! Congrats! : D