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Very Comfortable Experience, Now Have Permanent Damage.. - New York, NY

  • posted 2 years ago
  • updated 3 months ago
  • Not Worth It
  • Cost: $1,400
  • SLR in NYC (New York, NY)

Let me put this out there, I made it to 3 out of 4...

Let me put this out there, I made it to 3 out of 4 ipl sessions. It was a very comfortable experience, no stinging, no burns, no rubber band snapping sensations, the office was great. Explained worse case scenario it may not work, best case scenario skin will look great. I browned on my sun spots, flaked, and they fell off just like I was told. My face looked great...due to microswelling.

On my 4th session, I was scheduled after July of 2010. I didn't show up. Reason being, I began to notice drastic changes to my face, cheeks losing plumpness, dry skin, strange scars just showing up, wrinkles developing, orange peel texture skin, odd creasing. I went in for sunspots, I came out with serious damage. I'm a victim and I didn't have any initial reaction.

If you decide that ipl is the best for you, take your own pre ipl pictures, and post ipl pictures once a month for a year. And please keep posting and updating, it will help people make more educated decisions once they have all the knowledge about ipl and lasers.

3 Ipls in 6 weeks. This picture shows what...

3 Ipls in 6 weeks. This picture shows what happened to me in less than a two month period. I never made it to the 4th, because I noticed the difference immediately after the swelling went down after my 3rd treatment.

I found a link that I would like to know if I can...

I found a link that I would like to know if I can post here, not only have we seen the positives on laser and ipls, but I don't think there is enough resources showing the negatives other than the our personal experiences. It doesn't highlight any practices, etc, but it is a very useful link so that those considering have as much information upfront as possible. Hope this is okay to post
http://atndesign.com/pdfs/Laser%20Compl ... kl2005.pdf

Interesting study on ipl and oxidative...

Interesting study on ipl and oxidative stress:
http://www.hydrafacial.net/Dr_Freedman_Study_-_Topical_polyphenolic_antioxidants_reduce_the_adverse_effects_of_IPL.pdf

Recently, I came across some information that I...

Recently, I came across some information that I thought might be helpful. IPL is non-ablative, and reaches the dermis. The dermis, when heated, can retain the heat from ipl and cause 2nd to 3rd degree burns, even if you feel no pain during your session. The dermis can not regenerate itself. Once it is destroyed, the appearence of skin will become lax, leathery, and lose elasticity because the structure holding it up, the dermis, has been compromised. Any swelling that feels hot to the touch, and lasts for more then several hours after the ipl session, has to be immediately looked at by a burn center for evaluation. Often, because the dermis retains heat for hours or days, blistering does not need to be present in order to be indicative of a dermis 2nd degree or 3 degree burn. I wish I had known this, and had more common sense to contact a burn center immediately after my experience. My skin felt hot for 3days, but I was told that was the normal "sunburn" reaction. Any doctors on this forum care to comment?

The more research I do, the more I understand the...

The more research I do, the more I understand the cosmetic laser industry. To find out more information about the laser you are researching, I would encourage you to look under the laser's annual report filings, known as the 10-K form. "We have modified some of our products without FDA clearance. The FDA could retroactively decide the modifications were improper and require us to cease marketing and/or recall the modified products." That's just a small blurb from one of the annual findings, do all your research and determine whether you trust the laser company you're looking into.

Please check this site out, this isn't just a...

Please check this site out, this isn't just a "lunchtime procedure." This is a forum where opthomologists are discussing patients that have been treated after ipl created damage to their eyes. http://www.dryeyezone.com/talk/showthread.php?13971-The-Dangers-of-IPL-please-read-before-you-get-your-first-treatment

An update: Texture the same, has not improved,...

An update: Texture the same, has not improved, skin lax, leathery, jowly, with the same bumps and linear scarring. The hydroquoine was increased to 8% for me, and has done wonders in helping keep my skin uniform in color. I'm still doing my chemical peels every 6 weeks for pigment, and have an appointment to go in for my 3rd visit for tca cross in dented/ice pick scars. So far I haven't seen any noticable change with the latter, but I'm giving it about a year before I stop with the tca cross and give an updated review on my outcome.

Nearing my 2 year anniversary since my Ipl...

Nearing my 2 year anniversary since my Ipl disasters. Unfortunately, my skin never bounced back and neither did my contours, and now I am looking into fillers and even considering fat grafting at age 35. I have more crepey skin texture and linear scarring than ever. I can only imagine it getting worse with normal aging, never in a million years did I consider light therapy to be so destructive.

It has been about 5 months since I posted, and I...

It has been about 5 months since I posted, and I can't help but be vocal about how destructive this can potentially be and how scary and mind blowing the gamble is with lasers, from ipl to fraxel. The changes have been continuously downward. I avoid mirrors so I can get out of the house and function like a normal person, because once I see myself I still cant get over the fact that I dont recognize my lumpy and scratched up skin and my features. I did a series of peels, and to this day I can say the pigment luckily stayed uniform. But the textural damage just keeps getting worse, and its embarrasing to smile or laugh because right from under my eyes down to the corners of my mouth, my skin bunches up in raised scars with roped thick lines and squiggles. I am thankful tje damage happened to me at 33, I had already had my son, my job was secure, and i had and have an amazing circle of friends and family who knew me before, and dont judge me based on what I look like now. I feel awful knowing there are teenagers, young adults, or just regular people that may suffer from acne, post acne scarring, rosacea, or other skin conditions and professionals are dupying them every day into thinking this can help, pretending it is a consistant, well understood, and regulated practice. It's not, it's a crapshoot, where some people make it through feeling good and others are getting disfigured. It's not worth the gamble, the technology is not well understood. I came in with a clean face, oily, a couple of sunspots I simply didnt want to wait out as usual for them to go away on their own, and it's been a night and day
experience. And i learned strangers, employers, etc., absolutely treat me differently based on what my skin and face look like. It has been an incredibly surreal journey, and I still cant figure out exactly what the life lesson was for me here if there was one.

I just wanted to update, almost 3 years out in May...

i just wanted to update, almost 3 years out in May of this year since my initial ipl treatments. Skin just keeps nosediving, its pretty gross. I wouldnt do it again and i dont recommend it. ill be 36 this march, my sons friend called me a grandma...lol. Thats what i look like, eww.
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Interesting, the office staff was incredibly lovely, acted as if they were fully knowledgable and advertise on their website that they have the expertise on "ethnic skin." They answered all my questions with absolute confidence. They didn't rush me, spent time with me, and then followed up with me because I didn't show up to the 4th treatment. But here's the kicker, they either are in denial, or know nothing about the real term side affects of ipl. The machine they used was Lumines.

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imsorrynow2 3 Mar 2013
eal791 I just want to make sure that when and if you decide to go through with this procedure you are comparing apples with apples. The skin on your neck, hand, arm, and face are very different because of the depth and thickness of the skin. So a test patch should be done on your face maybe on your forehead on the side just in case the results are not what you hoped for you can hide it. Also, know all your settings and the type of equipment the are using. Last 48 hours is not enough to see how your skin reacts you need a minimum of two weeks. Some stories the effect is immediate mine like several others took about two weeks after the second IPL the doctor claimed she only moved it one notch higher(I have photos posted). I have been told these machines are so powerful that one notch on some brands are 30% stronger. I am not olived skin, do not go in the sun, or smoke. I just want you to have all information possible because when damage does happen it does not get better for most it continues to worsen. Look under Fraxel and IPL damage to read how others got damage without even that sunburned feeling. I wish the best and hope you are going to a honest medical doctor. I find it hopeful since the disclosed that you could get scars other than hypo or hyperpigmentation that least is a start that is a first. Please have a another test spot, know the level of settings, wait two weeks. It also helps to have before and after photos taken outside light. Good luck and wishing you the best at whatever you wish to do.
eal791 3 Mar 2013
sorry if this is double post, my first one seems to be lost into the ether. Thank you so much for your post and sharing your experience. I'm very sorry that has happened to you. I am planning on having IPL done at the end of march for roseca redness, brown spost and general rejuvination. The complications you have had were listed on my consent form and I did discuss with my derm, but it's so informative to hear it from someone first hand. I was just curious if your doctor did a test patch on you. I had mine done yesterday, on my neck using 3 different "strenghts". I'm to watch the area for the next 48 hours to see if I have any problems. None so far and the area isn't warm. I'm not sure if that can predict what will happen on my face or not. Also, did you use any ice packs or cold compresses after the procedure? If not, did they say if that would have made any difference or was the damage done immediately? I'm just getting a bit nervous now, and appreciate your advice!
VB Canada 27 Feb 2013
Thank you for sharing your results. I appreciate that you presented your experience in a very calm & rational manor, and I think you're an ideal spokeswoman to bring attention to this issue. I just wanted to let you know that your post has helped me (and likely many others) to decide against opting for IPL. I had no idea of the risk I would have been taking. I'm grateful that you took the time to warn myself and others before we experienced similar results.
cveroleyva 28 Feb 2013
:). Posting has been worth it. Thanks VB.
OjibweGal 2 Mar 2013
Argan Oil - and the Dermis - I tried to make this a precise read... because I've been using this Argan oil for the past 11 years. I also take it internally it helps keep us out of the doctors office. Hope you enjoy the read on how it helps repair the dermis after those horrible IPL treatments. What are the main chemical components of Argan Oil? Essential Unsaturated Fatty Acids Fatty acids are needed by the body but cannot be synthesized by the body itself. They’re important for regulating and maintaining healthy skin. Vitamin E This is an important fat soluble vitamin. A vital antioxidant Vitamin E is also an anti-inflammatory and gives strength to capillary walls. It prevents the evaporation of moisture from the epidermis in skin. It also acts as a barrier against cell ageing and promotes the nourishment of cells. Polyphenols Polyphenols are natural plant components and are said to have anti-inflammatory, antiseptic, anti-aging and antioxidant properties. Ferulic Acid Ferulic acid is the most common polyphenol in Argan Oil. Its antioxidant potency increases after exposure to ultraviolet radiation, thus it is effective against the damaging effects of ultraviolet radiation. Carotenoids Natural fat-soluble carotenoids protect the skin from ultraviolet radiation and free radical reactivity. They maintain healthy skin and are used as a barrier against arthritis. Sterols The chemical structure of plant sterols and human sterols are very similar. Sterols assist in keeping the structural integrity of cell membrane, reducing inflammation, improving skin metabolism processes and moisture retention. They are the primary component of the outermost layer of human skin. Why is Argan Oil known as nature’s anti-aging skin food? The properties of Argan Oil such as Vitamin E, plant sterols and essential fatty acids work individually and cooperatively to enhance the skin’s overall health, improve its youthful appearance and are known to help with the natural healing of some dermatological conditions. How do the components of Argan Oil benefit hair? Argan Oil is rich in essential fatty acids and Omega 9. These have been shown to improve hair strength and heath. Vitamin E can help revive hair damaged by wind, sea and sun. Antioxidants can assist in repairing cell membrane damage and sterols are useful for moisture retention. Argan Oil can also be used to help smooth the texture of hair and combat frizziness. What antioxidants are present in Argan Oil? Carotenoids, polyphenols, ferulic acid, squalene, and Vitamin E are powerful antioxidants present in Argan Oil. Vitamin E is one of the most important antioxidants that can break the chain reactions initiated by free radicals. Argan Oil’s properties can help reduce the effects of aging thanks to this combination of antioxidants. What is a free radical? Free radicals are unstable molecules formed when cells burn oxygen. They react with cells causing cellular membrane, cellular protein, and DNA damage. This leads to premature ageing, wrinkling, and disease (within the body). Free radical damage is associated with oxidation damage because it is the oxygen molecule that is unstable. What are antioxidants? Antioxidants are molecules usually in the form of proteins, enzymes, vitamins, and metabolites. These molecules combine with free radicals and stabilize them, thus rendering them harmless. The earlier this can happen, the better for the cell, since many oxidative reactions result in considerable damage to cells.How does Argan Oil soothe inflamed / burned skin? Any injury, infection, or allergic reaction to the skin will elicit an inflammatory response. Interestingly, all inflammatory responses will involve free radical activity. The presence of antioxidants in Argan Oil will help reduce free radical activity. In addition to their antioxidant effect sterols and Vitamin E also have soothing and healing properties. Vitamin E protects essential fatty acids from breaking down. Essential fatty acids are necessary for the production of prostaglandin, a lipid compound manufactured by enzymes within the cell that is a natural anti-inflammatory. What components of Argan Oil help support sun-damaged skin? Essential fatty acids protect the cellular membrane and DNA from UV-induced damage. Carotenoids and squalene can deactivate the free radical known as singlet oxygen. ***This free radical, when exposed to the sun’s radiation, becomes excited and therefore extremely destructive.*** Ferulic acid is unique because exposure to UV light actually increases its antioxidant potency. ***Vitamin E reduces tissue damage caused by UV light and increases the rate of healing.*** How does Argan Oil help keep skin hydrated? Healthy barrier function is vital to maintaining proper levels of hydration. Water loss from the skin through evaporation is increased when the skin’s barrier is disturbed by injury, environmental pollutants, UV radiation, and stress. The ability of the top layers of the skin to resist moisture loss depends on the presence of essential fatty acids. These are water binding and enhance the outer barrier of the skin to reduce transdermal water loss. They also help regulate sebum production. Sebum is the skin’s own natural oil. Its main purpose is to waterproof and protect the skin from drying out. Argan Oil’s Vitamin E, squalene and sterols are important factors in moisture restoration and retention. Vitamin E protects the integrity of essential fatty acids and both vitamin E and squalene accumulate in the epidermis. Squalene is a nutrient rich oil with the unique ability to anchor itself to the cell membrane and so protect against moisture loss at the site of each cell. Sterols work synergistically with human sterols to promote excellent moisture retention and play a fundamental role in aiding and maintaining optimal skin barrier function. How does Argan Oil help correct and help protect against wrinkles? The youthful appearance of skin is directly related to the health of collagen and elastin proteins.Collagen provides strength to the skin’s structure and elastin provides the snap, or resiliency. Wrinkles seem to start in the dermis when there is a change in the elastin structure that causes the elastin to lose its snap. Essential fatty acids maintain optimal levels of hydration and healthy function of the dermis where collagen and elastin reside. Argan Oil’s antioxidants help prevent free radicals from damaging collagen and changes in elastin’s cellular anatomy. Additionally, Argan Oil contains high molecular weight proteins that, when applied to the skin, construct a network of molecules that are known to provide an instant tightening effect. How can Argan Oil assist in reducing the appearance of stretch marks? Stretch marks occur when the dermal collagen and elastin in your skin stretch beyond capacity and the fibres separate. Argan Oil’s antioxidants and anti-inflammatory agents, such as essential fatty acids, Vitamin E, and sterols helps the skin cells to remain connected during rapid periods of growth. How does Argan Oil absorb so thoroughly? Argan Oil is easily absorbed by the skin because of its unique composition. Squalene can penetrate deeper and more readily than most other oils because of its compatibility with the skin’s own natural oils. Human sebum, the skin’s own natural oil, is comprised of 25% squalene. Sterols found in Argan Oil penetrate rapidly because their structure is very similar to the human sterols that are the main component of the outermost layer of the skin. Essential fatty acids are the building blocks of the cell membrane and therefore can be metabolized and directly assimilated into the skin. Does Argan Oil clog pores? No, Argan Oils does not clog pores because of its ability to be thoroughly absorbed and assimilated into the skin. What components of Argan Oil are known for their antiseptic properties? Antiseptics are antimicrobial substances applied to living tissue to help reduce the possibility of infection. Argan Oil’s polyphenols are known for their antiseptic properties, and squalene is a natural bactericide. How long does Argan Oil last? The same antioxidant properties that protect the skin also protect Argan Oil itself from oxidizing. These active properties allow Argan Oil to maintain its integrity for up to 2 years, so long as the bottle is kept away from direct sunlight, high temperatures and the lid is kept tightly closed. Some key points to remember when using Argan oil, make sure it is 100% organic. That is the basic info. on Argan oil less the technical terms... for you to read... Hope this information will help! Sincere Regards, OjibweGal
birdland 3 Mar 2013
Hi OjibweGal, thx for sharing. Could u plz let me know which one u use & where do u purchase it?
birdland 23 Feb 2013
Hi cveroleyva, Could u plz let me know the dr u use in NY? How did the dr respond to your suitation? Many thx
cveroleyva 23 Feb 2013
hi birdland, i went to a medispa in nyc called skin laser rejuvenation. ipl was done by a technician under the director of a doctor, who of course i never saw. now i have a wonderful derm here in atlanta, but the damage is done and severe, and im not ready to take a gamble in plastic surgery. as of now ive settled and have accepted my skin and change in facial features.
birdland 24 Feb 2013
Hi cveroleyva, Thx for replying. Did your dr recommended using oils. I had some damage from tazorac (a retinoid) 6 months ago. I've noticed in a lot of reviews many individuals tried olive, emul, coconut oils. I am thinking of trying bio oil. I read several reviews on ulta.com. Hope it doesn't break me out. Since the retinoid damage my skin is easily irritated.
Boomerang2040 24 Feb 2013
I am in my late 40's and can't use any anti-wrinkle lotions. Tried a couple dozen brands, spent a lot of $$ for lousy broken out skin. My dermo recommended Alpha Hydrox, as she had same problem. She didn't sell it but I found it online. It's cheap and it works wonders. I use the 12% glycolic souffle'. First few times it stung a little, after that I saw huge improvement in texture of my skin. Been using it 4 years. My skin looks smoother than it did 5 years ago. Might be worth a try, and their products are affordable. Good luck!
cveroleyva 24 Feb 2013
ill check it out, they sell that brand at a store locally here. thanks:)
cveroleyva 24 Feb 2013
hi birdland, my derm only wants me using cerave. but i did use rosehip oil and emu oil, both of whixh i really liked. i dont think it did much, but it made my skin feel supple.
birdland 3 Mar 2013
Hi boomerang2040, Thx. I love glycolic. In nov I started using a weekly at home glycolic peel which has helped my acne. The tazorac cause cuts in my skin and light white lines. The peels help my forehead wrinkle cause by tazorac but not the cheeks. I noticed alpha hydrox has a body cleanser & lotion which I would love to try (have u). I only purchase products for Sephora, ulta or drug stores where they can be returned if any skin irritation occurs :)
Boomerang2040 4 Mar 2013
I haven't found Alpha Hydrox anywhere but online. All of their products are very affordable, has fast / cheap shipping plus periodic sales, so I've tried experimented with a lot of their products without much investment. I tried the cleanser, astringent, oxygenated lotion and acne kit, which are all fine, but honestly the 12% Glycolic Souffle words best for my breakouts, minimizing wrinkles and keeping skin smooth. Also really like the 14% serum and swipes for a fast pore tightening refresher before going out. http://www.neotericcosmetics.com/alpha-hydrox/products/new-generation.html Not sure if I can credit the Alpha stuff, but yesterday my daughter came home for spring break and told me I looked 29 (I'm 49), so I'm going to keep using it! :)
birdland 4 Mar 2013
Hi Boomerang, I'm in NY. I saw Alpha hydrox at cvs and ulta. Thx.
Boomerang2040 4 Mar 2013
That's great! CVS and Rite Aid don't carry it here, but I haven't looked at Ulta. Thanks for the tip.
Tiffmiller 18 Feb 2013
I am one month post ill/pixel treatment with the same scary results of orange peel texture, fine line wrinkling and multiplemwhite bumpsnappearing all over my face in the dermal layer. Went back to doctor who did the laser and he dismissed me saying all of the above was just my skins way of healing. He said it would all disappear 3 mos post laser. I thought he was full ofmit so I went tosee my derm/plastic surgeon who suggested photodynamic therapy. Has any one heard of it and it's possible results/ side effects? I am desperate!!!
imsorrynow2 3 Mar 2013
I know it is crazy what can happen and I know the panic you feel. I believe that the treatment you are asking about is a topical lotion used for destroying cancer cells and includes using a blue or red light. My skin was super sensitive for about six months to topicals and sunlight after my IPL treatment. I believe the use for this for anything other than cancer may be off label use, not sure. Meaning there may not be a lot of studies on the results or side effects. You can go on website called Pubmed.com to investigate. Also ask a second doctor who can advise on your next step, how long you should wait, or maybe a plan B just in case. For sure the side effect can make your skin more sensitive to light even indoor lights. If you decide to go forward after all information is known have them do a test spot. I hope everything goes well we all understand your need to be proactive just make sure you don't jump into anything that might make worse. Please keep us informed as we all would like to find anything that can help. Wishing the best on the road to healing.
jaguar333 6 Feb 2013
Hi - I had IPL laser done as well, and suffer from the exact same damage now. I use a mixture of coconut oil and hemp oil mix and put it on my face after I shower, also not sure if you have really heard of juicing or have ever been interested in it but you should look into it. It truly is incredible what whole foods can do for your body and skin. NO supplements - just organic raw whole foods- juicing is an easy way to achieve this kind of diet. My skin is getting better, well it seems. Hope this helps.
imsorrynow2 6 Feb 2013
Jaguar333, I do eat lots organic fruits and veggies. Is this a 30 day cleanse or something you drink daily? Are you following something you read? Thanks
acrobatic 17 Dec 2012
Hi Ladies, I came across this post and thought I would chime in. I didn't have IPL, but I had LHR to my underarm that I believe damaged my dermis. I had NO surface burns.. Symptoms include pain, swelling, tenderness to touch - 8 wks post treatment I was examined and it hurt like crazy for 24 hrs. I ended up calling a lot of compounding pharmacists - outside of skin grafts, I had no idea what options were out there. Some pharmacists had some ideas that I'm going to try. Call around and see what they say - compounding pharmacists can formulate virtually anything. Some may not have any ideas - don't give up - keep trying.. Also one pharmacist suggested Manuka honey creams. I just bought the actual manuka honey and put it on my underarm at night. I know what they say about the dermis being unable to regenerate, but there are miracle stories for every naysayer. I do believe acupuncture would increase blood flow, which would be a good thing. Anything that stimulates blood flow would be a plus - I would think dermarolling would be included in that.. Arnica wouldn't hurt anyone.. Also, attorneys are your friends sometimes!
lolou 17 Dec 2012
If you are in the UK, there is an excellent moisturizer by Dr. Organic called Manuka Honey Rescue Cream, one of the best moisturizers I ever used for my face. It's very moisturizing, has many organic, natural ingredients, and I believed was very healing for my skin: http://www.drorganic.co.uk/honey-products.asp There's also an arnica gel called Arniflora that is very good.
Dahlila 16 Dec 2012
Hi cveroleyva, I just read your update to your review. I felt like it was me! I had a fraxel repair for acne scarring and a scar that resulted on my nasal labial fold from that first procedure and two fraxel duals... the second one completely damaging my face. Like you, my life has completely taken a turn for the worse and I also avoid mirrors and different lighting is a tragedy because I always notice something new.
cveroleyva 17 Dec 2012
hey dahila, there is no dimissing that this is a real issue that providers refuse to acknowledge on consent forms, say it rarely happens, and that this damage is not caused by laser or ipl, or only happens in inexperienced hands...sigh. anyway, i wish you the best in your recovery. does the dr. provide dermaplanning for you? ive slowly been getting used to my skin, im almost at the point that i dont want to continue anymore treatments. its time consuming and draining, im less o edge leaving things alone. but thank you for reaching out and sharing your review, i hope people listen:)
Dahlila 17 Dec 2012
Hi cveoleyva, sometimes I feel the exact same way you do.... and think about it. but I know that I cannot put what has happened to my face to rest. I just cannot accept it... and accepting it to me...would be giving up. In my area I have found a kind doctor and his kind rn who have been treating since semptember...with super mild treatments... so fare every 2 -3 weeks I have been doing the dermaplanning (to take off the debris) and mild chemical peels glycolic, lactic and so far only one vitalize peel. Slowly working my way up to a TCA blue peel...depending on the results we will decide exactly how many peels to do. im going to be getting 2 more vitalize peels with the superfical peels in between. And last if not least if Im still not happy my surgeon will perform a slight dermabrasion of my cheeks. One for my mild acne scars and my left cheek which is scared from the other doctor. Its really just a game and gamble to these so "called" professionals...they deny, and dont acknowledge when something is wrong. I recorded my doctor and on two different appointments completely contradicting himself. I am sueing...I recieved a letter from my attorney yesterday telling me he wants to proceed. I know I will never be the person I was before all of this. This has destroyed my life and my selfesteem. And until I found my recent doctor (who fixes other surgeons mistakes) I truly felt that it was nobody's problem but my own. I really wish you the best.... and one another we can always help each other...to vent, for ideas... for anything. We know what we are going through and can understand each others ups and downs. xoxoxoxox

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