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EMatrix Experience - Farmington Hills, MI

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I have been looking to get rid of scars on my face...

BK-Indian
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I have been looking to get rid of scars on my face forever(15yrs). Finaly decided to try this since I was told this treatment could be done on almost any skin. I am an Asian Indian male 33+. So I went to get my first treatement at American Laser Skincare (ALS) fka American Laser Center. Four weeks ago I got my first treatment and I was little scared because I don't trust any sales person..yes I am right on that. I was told the for the first 3 days you will have the little dots on the skin, so I could get the treatment on Friday and Monday, I am all ready to go to work. Well, it took about 8 days to clear my face.

The first 3 days you will see the swollen on the area (during this time it looked like all my scars were gone). Gradually it will start to fade and little dots from the treatment gets darker and shed off by the 8th day. On the 9th day, I was back to the way I was...Now after almost 4 weeks, I don't see any difference, before and after treatment. They say, it take about 3 to 4 treatments to see the effect.

My 2nd appointment is set on a weekday because on my skin it is hard to notice the dots, unless you come very close to my face. I have pictures, but haven't had a chance to edit to post, yet. The cost is too much, I wonder the machine itself costs that much. Since some scars are little deep, I am getting 8 treatments, 2 sets of 4 with 2 months of gap between these two treatments. Normally you need only 4 treatment, but accoring to the sales person I need 8 (sure, like I believe that). Anyway, I just want to look handsome again..lol so I didn't care going through 8 treatments.

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February 1, 2012

Sorry to hear you didn't see any change after the first treatment. Hopefully as you do more a change will be more obvious.

Since you mentioned it took about 8 days to clear up, did you just go to work on the Monday following the treatment anyways?

February 3, 2012
Yes, I went to work, everything was back to normal except the little dots from the treatment. I'm pretty sure no one noticed except couple of people who I stood close while talking to. I just had my 2nd treatment today. It is burning little bit and planning to go to work tomorrow, not worried about if anyone seeing it. Actually the day after the skin looks like with no acne scar, confidence get little boosted. Like you said, it should get better after few treatements.
February 11, 2012
im an asian male and indeed have this treatment for acne scars and yes the sales person told me that i will have 4 treatments every month and combining with microdermasion too i was curious if this extra treatment can promote a better result isn't it?
February 11, 2012
After my first treatment, I am really doubting the benefit of this treatment. I mean, is it either to clear the skin (black marks) or is it for leveling the surface. If I understand it correctly Microdermabrasion is for leveling the surface. My clinic also offered this after treatment. So after my 8 treatments they will do the Microdermabrasion. My problem with most sales people is that they are under commission and that's all they see, not the patient and their unique issues. Since eMatrix has been in the market for only little over a year, you can't find much information or consult with most doctors. Some they haven't even heard of it.

How far are you with your treatment? Did you finish all 4? Reading your 2nd line, are you doing treatment every week, so 4 treatements a month or one treatment a month?
February 12, 2012
wtf? i have 4 treatments for a full face and it cost $2950 total and i pay $737.50 per each session. before the treatment the technician took a photo of my scars before she started the treatment. the clinic i went told me after the ematreix 2 week after i get a microdermabrasion i don't how this supposed to work but after my first treatment i see no difference at all but all i see is redness and swelling and those red little dots on my face. so you don't get to see the real result until the 4th treatment? they said its expected to be 80%-90% improved like im going to believe them.
February 12, 2012
i have 4 treatments each months
February 12, 2012
error sorry lol!

i have one treatment per month of 4 treatment
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May 29, 2012
I am sorry you aren't getting results as I feel the same way after 6 treatments. It sounds like you were expecting results as if it is a laser and it's frequencies which I didn't know either. The new esthetician medically trained said they will give me two complimentary but now I hear about one woman on Real Self who was left with some scars and I think this is still in a trial and error stage and we
are the guiini pigs. I didn't know this was only out for just over a year.

I hope Real Self will let this link from their webite with part of her answer print here as this explanation from a dermatologist is helpful although while I understand that the collegen takes six months to build, I'm still not clear if this is lasting and I paid from $75 to $150 each time.

http://www.realself.com/question/ematrix-compare-fraxel-laser
How Does EMatrix Compare to Fraxel Laser?
eMatrix also uses focused fractional energy but it is Radio Frequency energy, not laser. The thermal response is not confined to a column as laser is - it tends to spread out more broadly beneath the top layer of the skin, so you get the collagen response without a direct corresponding level of external damage to the skin.

The company has termed the effect as "sublative" in that much more is going on than you actually see....somewhat like a pyramid shape as the heat energy fans out after it penetrates the skin. For the most part, RF energy doesn't stir up melanin production so it's seen as a more desirable treatment for some skin types.

Collagen response continues after the superheating from either system for about 6 months at which time what you see is the final response.

As far as stopping the signs of aging, we continue to age no matter what process we apply to our skin, and collagen breakdown will continue as before - With Fraxel or eMatrix you just got a push back in time with the new elastin and collagen fibers your body created as a result of the heat energy.


Web reference: Http://rebeccafitzgeraldmd.com/ematrix.html
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I am attaching some pictures, there are more, but...

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I am attaching some pictures, there are more, but I thought this is enought to see what's like the days after.

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February 3, 2012

Oh, the swelling looks uncomfortable :( That's great though that you are able to go to work & not need a lot of downtime after the treatment.

How long do you wait between now & your next treatment?

February 7, 2012
By mistake my account was blocked for few days :(
It is supposed to be every month (4 weeks). Even thought the swelling looks uncomfortable, I was only uncomfortable on the first treatment on the first day. The 2nd treatment was much better. Even the dots started to disappear little faster.
February 6, 2012
How soon can you shave after the treatment
February 7, 2012
The clinic said, the dots will disappear by the 3-4th day and you could shave. In my case, it took about 7-8 days to clear my face, so I waited about 7 days to shave.
February 6, 2012
I am considering this treatment form my acne scar. But I must shave for my work. So, I am not sure how will this work. Could you please help me with this concern. Thnx.
February 7, 2012
Yeh, it is little hard if you must shave. I normally shave every other day; since I didn't want to take any risk of scaring, I was using a trimmer for few days till I felt safe. It wasn't perfect, but it wasn't too bad either. Even if you use trimmer, make sure you don't push hard on your skin. Basically, you don't want to peal off those little dots by force, it might take longer to cure; That's what I found out from a test spot I did on my arm.
February 8, 2012
FYI: Seems like on the 2nd treatment the dots healed faster in 5 days.
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May 29, 2012
I have before /after pictures but don't know how to crop them on this computer. If someone can help me, they can e-mail me and I'll share my pictures too.
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5th Day after 2nd treatment: I think the 2nd time...

BK-Indian
5th Day after 2nd treatment: I think the 2nd time healing was faster. Almost all spots are cleared.

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February 8, 2012
Hi, Thank you for your immediate response. Like I said, In my work, I must shave every day no matter what. So, I am planning to do on Saturday every weekend. But i will have to shave on Monday. But my question is, If I shave and peel off those dots by force - will it take longer to cure the burning from the treatment or the actual acne scar. If it takes more time to cure the burning from treatment, I can go for it. But if it takes longer to cure the acne scars, then I will have to think about it. And also, I would like to know how much longer is it gonna take to cure the burning or acne scar if it comes off by force.I have been doing research online , but i couldn't find any information on this.
February 8, 2012

alpen,

Since you couldn't find any info on this I went ahead & submitted it as a question in our Q&A section. That way the board certified doctors who volunteer on the site can give you their opinions.

It usually takes 24-48 hours for doctors to start to post. You can click here to check for answers.

February 9, 2012
Since I'm not a doctor, I could tell you only my opinion, don't take this as an advice or anything; make your own judgment. Like Magan P said, it is better to consult with an experienced board certified doctor.
If you are going to do it, why don’t you do it after work on Friday, that way you will have Saturday and Sunday to rest.
Like I said in one of my previous posts, I did a test spot on the side of my wrist, which I treated like any other area. I wear wrist watch, which might have rubbed against the spot more than I could count. However, I didn’t wear it for the first three days. I noticed that spot took about 3 weeks to heal. Now the spot is clean. If I were you, I wouldn’t even try to shave for at least 3 days. I am attaching another picture with zoomed in, so you could see how deep it is.
Again make your own judgment!
February 10, 2012

Would be helpful if you tell readers what level of treatment you were given. A 15-30/35, B, C etc. That may account for a longer recovery. Also, whether numbing gel was used (usually on the higher level treatments.) The casual reader will get the wrong impression of whether or not it's right for them without these important details. (ps. it's likely to be a minimum of 2-3 day semi-down time - not downtime free as ematrix is advertised at salons etc. Just fyi.

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May 29, 2012
Jason, it sounds like this is still in the experimental stage as far as the public ..he said out just over a year. I will find out what level she used on me as obviously too low; now I'm worried as they are offering two complimentary but another woman on here shared pictures with scars and they aren't going away. Unfortunately, I can't remember if she followed up but it's on one of the Matrix threads. I think this takes very good training and usually many doctors just get a weekend of it. That's no substitute for time.
February 11, 2012
Hi BK, thanks for sharing your experience. Do you know which setting they set on your two treatments? Also, did they apply a numbing cream for you?
February 11, 2012
I know there are 3 levels, A, B, & C. On my neck for testing, they tried all 3 levels. If you look at the picture, the on at the top is level A and C at the bottom.

There are different settings for each level. For example, level B has 32, 34 ..... (I don't know other numbers).

On my first treatment I started off with B at 32, just to be safe. On the 2nd treatment, I could have done on 34, it just takes an extra day or two to clear. However, we decided to keep on 32 for right now since I have asian skin tone.

They could put numbing cream for you, but I didn't because I thought it was pretty tolerable. At first I thought it was touch, but the 2nd time it was nothing. It all depends on the technician and the machine. If you find someone you like, try to stick with that technican because I think it is better to keep the patter the same.

Glad people find this useful.
February 12, 2012
Thanks, BK. make sure they use a new machine head each time on you and that you get about 200 pulses. Did you pay $2000 for all 8 sessions? If so then it's a great deal! That's good advice about asking for the same technician. Too bad my mom had 3 different ones so far. No improvement for her yet after 2 treatments. We'll wait and see about the 3rd one.
February 12, 2012
Yeh, they told me it is 100 pulses. I might call the company who sold the machines to get an accurate info. The $2000 is their deal, get 1 get 2nd free. So (4 treatments 1 microdermabrasion) + (4 treatments 1 microdermabrasion).

The reason I said getting the same technician is because the first time the area she covered was totally different from the 2nd time. So if you hit spot A the 1st time, you need to hit the same spot to see the results. Otherwise, it is like getting 8 treatments on 8 different spots on your body - so every spot got only 1 treatment. On my 2nd treatment the girl covered different areas and missed some areas where I had last time.
February 12, 2012
BK, that's strange. You should get treated on ALL spots, every 4 weeks. Sounds like you're not doing the whole face so 100 pulses is probably right. However, each spot needs to get treated each time. I'm no expert but so far that's what I've learned from this forum and from my mom's experience.
February 12, 2012
Initially, I wanted to get only my two cheeks and two temples where mostly I needed. You get 100 pulse from each tip, so why waste the rest. So ended up doing my whole face. In their do and don't do lists, it is suggested that the treated area might lose hair or damage hair growth. I haven't seen any of that after two treatements.