Almost 46. Decided to Do Something for Me and Do a Freshen Up. Eyelift Surgery, Cellulaze, Axillary Lipo and Lil on Thighs. - MD

Your eyes look better in these updated pictures. Give it 6 months to settle

Like I said, im not here to have ppl tell me im fine or beautiful. I know what i see and if you had an eyeball sinking into your head it may alarm you a tad as well.

Exactly. I need time to see results. Trying to see how fillers do opposed to graft option. The one eye is def not staying as was. I havent put updated pics on to show when it looks like a lazy eye and lids look like the ptosis wasnt fixed. The one eye on a good day is fine. The other is a concern. Im praying it works out. Not sure if we can get bad eye out of my skull a little or not with grafting. I have no idea choices or options there to fix. Fillers arent staying as they were when put in, but im hoping some sticks. By first pics after 2014 surgery its easy to tell Lickstein took tissue out all way around my eye. Worst to get to stick seems to be where i wanted it the most. Towards nose in upper. Thats looking freaky again like a bone animal eye nose area. In after 2014 pics you see the big red ring around whole eye and how he dug that out. He caused scar tissue so fillers cant stick. One more lovely bit of info they dont tell you before they cut you. Had he showed me as i asked in pre op what he was going to do.. when i said arent you going to measure me.... i would have seen how i was going to look resr of my life. He said "no, we do that in OR" so here i am.

Hi gem what is the update on your legal claim?

gem I think about you a lot and log on every so often to see if you have posted an update. My hubby even asks about you. LL did my macslift/fat transfer and I wasn't happy with it. Fortunately not b/c anything was really "wrong". I just looked the same as before. Anyway, I had not come across any of your posts at the time I had scheduled it 7 months ago. I had previously had a BA with another surgeon at Belecara, and a couple of procedures with Dr. Boyle who is also a surgeon there, and was pleased with the results. I asked the surgeon who did my BA to do the MacsLift, but he recommend his partner Dr. L., so I went with him. I struggled with the decision on whether or not to have the revision with Dr. L after reading the pure hell you went through. I literally cried when I read some of your posts. I had another consultation for a revision with a surgeon not affiliated with Dr. L, but ultimately I just couldn't afford to pay full price again with a different surgeon, and decided to let LL do the revision (no "eye work" though). I had it done 5 days ago, and so far everything looks good. Each time that I have met with him I've wanted to say something about you. It made me angry a couple of days ago when a patient posted on here that she had a great eye lift with him and that you sounded “a little crazy”. SERIOUSLY?! I know for a FACT that while she is indeed a patient, she is also one of his nurses. She does NOT disclose this in her review on this site, but her “screen id” or whatever you call it- is the initial of her first name with her full last name. Same as the business card she gave me. And she is not the only nurse who has posted a review here. That nurse is also in their brochures pictured as a patient, which she is, but she too does not disclose that she works for him, which I feel ethically they should. JMO. How do I know these things? She is also on of my nurses at Belecara at some point through all my procedures and post-op appointments, both “hands on” and just answering questions over the phone. I even saw her after her eye lift- and recognize not only her name, but her pic on here as well. That same pic is in their brochure. I specifically asked my pre-op nurse coordinator about them, and she pointed to their pictures and confirmed it. Again, nothing wrong with them posting an honest review, but don’t act like you don’t work for him and brag about his wonderful staff when you are on that very staff. And don’t call a former patient crazy b/c your boss botched that patient’s surgery. If they think he did such a great job with your surgery, why aren’t YOU pictured in their brochure???? Anyway, just wanted to see how you are doing. Did they ever get your medical records to you? Are you going to be able to take legal action? I wish you the best of luck.

@bethyb I'm glad everything worked in your favor. I would have been terrified to allow him to operate on me. I do understand your income restrictions.

Don't think I wasn't!! I did lose sleep over it, and it was literally the second to last thought I had before I passed out from the anesthesia (the last was said aloud to the anesthesiologist: "please don't kill me" LOL!).

Too funny! lol

@gem202 with all of the negative press this doctor is getting, one would think that he would have wanted to settle this matter quickly. Several doctors on this site moved quickly to resolve matters with their patients, in exchange for an updated positive review. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes.

I don't understand that at all! My experience with him has been okay, other than he seemed a bit irritated when I told him about comments another surgeon I consulted made about the fat transfer he (Dr L) did. Guess that is human nature. He could've explained things better with more visual aids. He never even pulled up any of the kabillion pics they've taken of me at my follow ups. He used another patient's pic to show what he planned on doing for the revision (after I asked him to show me). I remember at one of my prior follow ups I asked him if the lump under my eye was a result of fat transfer or something else and he commented "oh I don't know. I'd have to look at your pictures." Ummm, yeahhhh, you would. However, he took a lot of time with me, personally calls to check on me after my surgeries. He answered all of my many questions (which were a result of the research I did, not a lot of questions stemming from info he offered. It was a case of knowing I needed to ask certain questions if certain info was not covered). But of course all of that doesn’t mean a surgery will go well or make up for a surgery gone wrong. And if you think about it, he is working for ME. He should’ve done a better “presentation” I guess! LOL! And I agree with you about reviews. As a matter of fact, I had a BA with his colleague about a year ago. The review I posted wasn’t bad per se, but not glowing. When I went to my follow up he talked to me about it right away. Then after my revision he asked if I was completely satisfied and when I said I was he kindly asked me to reflect that in an update review. If I had messed up a surgery like gem’s I couldn’t live with myself. I would have the integrity to own up to my mistakes, and pay someone else to correct what I messed up. And I certainly wouldn’t have tried to collect any money for what I did to her! And what good is the law stating they have to provide you with your medical records if there are really no reprecussions (that I know of) in place to enforce that law.

All comes down to integrity. Your BA surgeon sounds like a good person.

also, what were your specific desires with the revision? I do not even want my eyes to look the exact same as they were before my initial surgery, because that is impossible, all that I wanted from him was for him to restore the with from the inner cancel and make them larger any way that he could. He told me that he could make them 60 percent better. What did he tell you?

I nevvveerrrr said it made anything worse. Its more apparent the bad eye is having issues because the good eye is more open now. Thats not Dr M fault its Licksteins for whatever he did to mess up the bad eye. I cant really answer this. As I said eyes take awhile to heal and im still waiting on end results. I had CT scanm this is a much deeper issue than lids. Something has sunk my eye so i wont be answering anymore "lid" questions. The lids wont be right hecause the volume behind is not the same. Thats not posdible for them to be the samem if u put a breast implant in and one is smaller than other and you do a lift.. . Is it going to look the same??? No its not. Because vokume behind is diff. I had a lot done whole way around eye and fillers. Ill lyk in 6 mths when i find out what was done to my eye. Idk if fillers are going to stick more than 2 mths either. So cant really answer anymore about lids

I dont remember, just go with what you were told in your consult. There is no guarantee it will hold apparently. Ill have it fixed after i fugure out eyeball. Pulled my lower lid down on left eye and it didnt hold... but..... did it not hold because eye is sinking more??? No idea

Its not even been 2 mths let me heal lmao. I know you want answers for yourselves but please im going through plenty myself. Let me heal and figure this out and pray to God i can pay all these bills now.

Oh in answer to what did i want. I wanted what he tried to fix. Thats an impossible question to answer on a site. This n that. Look at pre butcher pics and after butcher and guess you can guess what i asked about or see what i needed. Cant show u really by typing it. I thought you saw Dr M already and Dr Steinsapir? Im not the revision specialist to ask. I jus know my deal and hoping once healed its all good. Ill be flying back out in 2 mths. Hoping for work and tear duct surgery and to fix lower body. Annndd ill see Dr M again at that point well see how im healing and consider fat grafting in upper lids maybe and see why that eye ball is sinking... well at this point i have a pretty on point guess dr S told me how if they kill tissue it can sink. It did after Lickstein. Dr M did nothing to make it worse. Its just not going to fix the same because base is diff around lids. I thought i explained all that a month ago when i said i tried to get CT scan in cali lol.

Before i judge too i want to make sure the fillers didnt weight that lid down either. Eye is still sunk there is no doubt about that, but after surgery they were ok now not as much. What if filler migrated into lid some because all the scar tissue didnt let it stick..? Idk so its all yet to be seen its very involved and too much to update every single detail going on with my ruined self. Thats why im trying not to be quick to judge till i know whats really up. I have lumpy outside of that eye too at corner... could that still being there cause issues?? Idk... so in 2 mths when i fly back i hope to know for sure what can be done or results are at least. After all my eyes have been through.... fillers, being ruined, revision, filler... ugh im just trying to take a breath and get the legal stuff worked on and lower half is next.

Cant remember if i replied or not. Busy day. Not sinuses, so that leaves tissue destroyed around eye so it sunk

Always. Only.way to keep going

He and the office are keeping up. I know it for a fact lol i know ppl. Thats why im quite clear on whats going on. His mess up was not a little thing. When I get CT results... well thats all im saying. My eyes were fine before he touched them. Luckiky i have tons of pics n vid n stream vid to show all kinds of dates and that they were fine even 12 hrs prior him... to prove he did this damage to my eyes

Good. I have a funny feeling they are, and that's why I called him out on it. Is it hard to what's right when you are a decent human being? No, not at all. And you are right..It was not some tiny little mess up...no way in hell, is your eye sinking a tiny mess up. You eyes look better than before. Dr. M did a wonderful job, BUT I also see what you are saying...your new pics; especially with the eyes closed, as you pointed out...Yeah, you have every right to be upset. And even moreso, when the person who did this to you, won't even do what's GOOD and help you in every way possible. Stop being a zero Dr. L, and help her...How can you even sleep at night? Come on!!!

I gotta' stop typing fast...not a good fast typist..I meant, Is it hard to do what's right when you are a decent human being?

Haha i hear thats how the head dr in that office is too. No responsibility. Ego will getcha eventually. I dont understand the bad eye. It looks pretty bad today. Quite a let down when i felt a lil like me again and now 3 mths ago or worse

Sad part is its not sticking... i think reasom being though is that bad eye has sunk more. So of course the lids wont be in same place. I think im going to get CT scan in ER its bad today. Dr M did all kinds of stuff. What does still look ok is corners ne pulled out a little. Ptosis in upper lids, corners and lower lids as well and we added fillers which sadly arent staying. So bummed about that. Scar tissue. O H yes lol ptosis to answer your question. He pulled left lower lid down from how it was draw up too high too. So basically he kinda reahaped my whole eye again. Now to see if we can pull eyeballs forward again. I loved my eyes when first got home from la. I felt like me again. Now its all changing back. We will either be adding tissue back around eye or implants.

Thank you. All depends on CT scan now. Dr M can only do what he can do. Wasnt much more he could do because of lack of skin for eyes to shut. C T scan should be in next week then wait for results. Thank You. Day at a time still.

Yes he did fillers, this is why i didnt post a lot after or give info. You have to wait for results. I dont think filler is sticking well. Ill prob have more added soon to see if layering helps. Def going to try fat grafting in uppers as well eventually. My one tear trough ( on bad eye) seems like wont stick either, but that eye has been messed up for a year and fillers float. Lickstein must have just took something and carved it all out to put his one syringe of filler lmao takes a hell of a lot more than that to try n fix this mess. Tear trough on bad eye doesnt hold right and when tried to fill his dents in past it floats on under eye and outter lower. Dr M called it something i forget... in a nut shell....scar tissue.. and it gets lumpy and puckery looking. I was pretty happy when came home at 6 weeks, felt like a girl face again. Knew i wanted to add to the good eye on upper lid filler a lil more though. Looks so much better and normal with filler to hide how deep my lids flip behind eyeball....but now my concern is left eye and CT. Seems ptosis and lower lid look as they are reversing..or is it just eye sunk more. Wont know for few weeks.

Oh and yea could have added filler to tear trough and on brow bone last year and taken up the very little extra and fine lines i was getting and my life would be half ok right now. Id just he fixing lower half :((((( he was not truthful and told me nothing of any of this... i had no idea and trusted a surgeon. Huge mistake. Filler in trough would have balanced out my eye puff. Blows my mind still. Still feels like a dream

This is disconcerting, Gem. Have you spoken to M about the filler disappearing so quickly, along with the ptosis and lower lid issues? You spent money for this revision, but gosh, it hasn't been that long for it to be reversing...I'm lost for words. SMH

Sure we spoke. Im East hes West now. Well talk soon more. CT scan first and another trip out. Cant do much from here

Okay...still praying for you!!!

Ptosis: As long as the filler holds, you don't have such a problem with your lids drooping? What does layering mean and how does it work?

Huh?? Dont know what you mean by first sentences. Its nothing jus fillers. You can ask Dr Massry about fillers.

Thank you.... just as I figured pretty much. My CT scan showed more normal kinds of things for sinus.. i hate most drs East Coast. Paid out of pocket 250 for scan and i told him i need orbital detail.. n guess what report was sinus. Idiots i was very clear about what was done to my eyes. So hoping Dr M will get enough detail from the dvd to see orbital tissue thats missing. Blah. I have sinus cyst but must not be alarming in any way. If anything that could push my eye ball out pllzzzzzz. I wish. So all thats going on the that eye that has been a complete mess since week 1. Is Licksteins fault. As i wait on this to heal and try and come up with cash to pay on the 10,000 credit card with no interest till Sept i put my eye surgery on.... im checking nto lower half now. Cant decide if fat transfer or the lift first nor can i decide if the lift will even help under glut he messed up. Probably not so need to figure all this out. Its like a 3 stage mess trying to fix this. Its unreal. My inner thigh at top looks like helll now too because he ran totally under glut into inner thigh... very thin skin there and you empty it you get the look of somebody that use to be 250 pounds n lost. Plus we know how je ruined the skin where there actually was tissue so inag8ne that... so do i add on an inner thigh lift to a body lift, fat grafting multiple times because it has to be layered or fat will just die..if it even works at all, to fillers and eye revision, multiple tear duct plugs, laser to close the tear ducts permanently. . Wow he sure made a big mess didnt he?????!!!! Did he think my life didnt matter??? My body was a pile of [RS bleep] to ruin?? Idk seems so. He obv didnt care what he did to me. He ruined so much. Inner thigh lifts are ugly as hell. You would never ever want anybody to see that scar in crotch area... but could wear some clothes again. I know the surgeon im going to see is going to say i need incision under my gluts to get rid of the wrinkle dog look lickstein caused. Idk but i think the board that certifies these wack jobs should get sued and be held responsible. How do they let them walk away with a certification saying they know what they are doing??? Its crazy. I know everytime i see the obv scars on my upper lids that have stretched to 3 times plus, the width they should be that this is just so wrong.

Hi. Ive read the posts about the eyeballs, but will you clarify what you mean by wanting your eyeballs pushed out?

I dont know what layering is either. msmelody is asking about "layering", and asking that as long as the filler works your lids dont droop?

Fillers have nothing to.do with droop. It was only filling up some of the gutted empty upper cavity i was left with above my eyes. If u have two strings... two rubberbands... two of anything doesnt one back the other up a lil.. thats how i see fillers.. same with fat transfer to fix big ole dents.m they cant slap a bunch in and expect it to adhere it wont.. its just common sense layering it would let first batch settle then add more. Im no dr but i think sometimes now i have more common sense than some lol. Actually one told me once in layering fillers they stick longer. Thats all i meant. Wasnt a big fix or answer to solve world hunger.. just something i said. Im tired was up all night stressing so bad trying to figure out best deal to fix lower half. Its so hard to deal with. Happy sunday ill be sleepin mine.

My left eye is sunken into my skull. Somehow ill be trying to figure out the options to fix it. No idea any more than that yet. Its quite noticeable and def with eyes shut. There is half or less than galf of an eyeball buldge under my left shut lid. No idea how Lickstein made that happen. Wad told, as i said before... he killed tissue that cushioned it, so it fell deeper into my skull.. id kinda like to pull it back out again but ny Dyson vacuum doesnt have that attachment. So im pretty much fkd

I feel bad, you guys are so desperate for answers that everything i say you hope its a magical answer to fix everything in the bad surgeries. Ugh. I get a lot of private messages and chat with a girl that was ruined as i was in banana roll area. She actually was a fitness competitor and jus wanted a lil fat to transfer to face. Lean competitors get very hollow in face. Shes so depressed and said just today if she didnt have her 2 lil kids she wouldnt be here. Her dr did horrible job on fat transfer to face too. So i feel everybodies pain. I have my really bad days too and days i cant even focus correctly. Sadly there are no magical answers once we are screwed up by these careless negligent drs who should know better. Im trying to figure out everything myself still. I didnt rate my revision because i have seen enough to know you cant till healed. Good i didnt cuz my one eye isnt good. Was great a month out. Now one eye is visibly smaller and looks to gave ptosis all over again. Whatever lickstein did ti cause this i guess only he and God will know. That bad that a good revision wouldnt even hold on that eye. Pretty jacked up. Imagine my thoughts, feelings, depressing feelings after 2.5 mths of back n forth stress with tear duct plugs, surgery, 20,000 spent and off work.... to have it gone in one eye. Yea so i feel ya.. you arent alone. Im also single with a house that had a 450 and 350 ekectric bill for 55 degrees so pipes didnt freeze when nobody was here... so yea.... i feel ya. Its pretty messed up isnt it. Now a body lift and transfer n lipo to shape my all wacked out looking ass cheeks. They are all collapsed where they are to be the fullest and werw before lickstein took the blow torch to them and melted them. Will fat stick to fix it..... idk 50 50 chance... will lift help how it fell....no idea... will fat stick where he melted clear down to skin... idk that either and my butt falls into that when stand. Yep i do my squats, lunges, deadlifts, extensions, goodmornings, step ups, presses... u name it to try n lift it up out of there.... but its the fat i had over muscle that all collapased, you know... the part guys love.... the booty.... he ruined that. I personally love a nice booty too...its why i did leg days for 30 yrs. So do your research as best you can. All you can do. Im no dr i just know what i know from having been ruined. Its a crap shoot to fix it. See why i didnt review and post... this is why. It wouldnt have been accurate right now. Im also watching how ppl with lipo revision do months later, you do not know lipo results till mannyyy mths later. Drs posting pics at 3 mths is a lie. Still swollen. Find out at 8 or 9 whats up. After all u have seen. I cant believe lipo is even legal. Seriously its not good most of the time. My outter thigh he wasnt even to touch, down my IT band looks like hell. It use to look hot.. my cut down the leg from quads to hams. Now because he dug it all up like a tilled field... im sick and embarrassed by my legs. The legs i use to get compliments and the high tight butt ppl had roomers going around must be a butt implant.... nopppeee not. Just some damn hard work on vacations even.... all went to hell cuz of this non caring "surgeon" certified even.

Hi Gem, livefree was correct in what I was asking about the "filler layering." I had never heard that it would make it stick longer (does make sense tho). Hoping that will be the case with you soon. I'm not desperate for answers. I only know you through your online post but feel very vested in your physical and emotional outcome. I think about you a lot and always come here checking on you - You have been through hell and are still going through it. I hope and pray for you to have a good outcome.

I can certainly see your almond shape again! :D Dr. Massry did such a wonderful job and the stitching is so fine/meticulous! Not to be sappy but seeing what he was able to do...made me tear up. I'm so thrilled for you!

Thank you. Still scary. As swelling goes down sadly i still see the hollow. We didnt fix that yet. Lickstein sure dug out my cushion. Grrr

Im with you. I had to cry a lil myself when i saw the corners again ;) i was still in some major pain but smiling. Im really bruised now lol was able to sleep almost 11 hrs straight last night. No pain meds since sun night at 11. No tylenol either. Think im done with needing any. Taking a lil.to get my puff down after all that sleep. I did sleep upright. Surprised me i could sleep that soundly that way. I wasnt leting myself sleep long the othet days because i didnt want swelling to get ahead of me. Im happy, course can get a lil anxiety wondering... but i trust Dr M. He has the eye for the eye. ;)

Thanks sweets. Yes they actually look better with a lil swell, so im going to ask Dr. M if he can start adding filler around the boney nose area that has no sin or tissue. You know...where we add botox ? Lol

Now, I can finally see the pics! Must have been IT problems, but wowsers, you are looking good!!!!! He did excellent. Impressive...this Dr. Massry is no joke. You look amazing...can't wait until you heal all the way up...you look younger, too. : )

I feel i still may need skin grafts. My lids are now sunk back into my head over my eyeballs more. Ill look like an owl till im done healimg. The skin just lays back on my eyeball n goes back in my head. Looks very weird. Prob wont shut either. I sleep with the ointment in. Now i have a lid crease so less lids. So prob grafts next.

Gem, is he actually discussing skin grafts with you?

No we did not. Ill ask if need be. He said ita not pretty.

I see now why it will never be right or fixed. my actual eyeball is shoved back into me head deeper. I always thought it was filler, but its not just that. The eyeball itself is pushed in my head deeper. I was trying to figure it out and tilted my head back and looked back across and then did some measuring...the bad eye doest protrude at all like the other. It somehow was shoved into my head. Dr M Asked right before surgery again if i had that canthoplsdty because my eyes were pushed back. Now i see it since swelling is goimg down. looking back across the eye doesnt have all the round out of my head. Omg this just makes me sicK. Webt through all this and he fkd me up.so bad nothing i do will ever help. Just make it worse. I can really tell the bigger one now cuz more round is out cuz its more open now and there is nothing to bring out on the little one. Putting something against eyebrown and cheek flat the gap to eyeball is enough you can see the diff. guess he took a hammer n skammed my eyeball in my socket cuz he took too much skin away. Ha loser. No what he did was cut the muscle n tighten it round my eyeball and now it was like that a fkng yr... now its there to stay. His pc of [RS bleep] self just gets more real every month . How dare he ruin my body and shove ny eyes in my head and dig all my tissue and skin away lower and on eyes. Sick sick sick

Now i get to live with this [RS bleep] another year till anything else could be done to fix it. Well i wont be the only one having a bad year. I guarantee it

Maybe it's a good idea to address these concerns with Dr. Massry. I understand what you're saying and seeing, but I'm wondering, too, if maybe all the swelling, bruising, etc., is still affecting the way your eyes are going to really look. Could be too early to say for certain...definitely ask the doc about it!!!

I will apt is Thur.. im sure he did the best he could. My concern is just how bad is or was that eye to try and fix. So what will i end up with. Lots of scar tissue was all around it from whatever Lickstein did to it. Such a simple thing i asked for all over back in March of 14 and now look at my life because i picked him to ask about my concerns or questions. Still have tough days dealing with that

I think you need to give it time. I've heard so much about eyes that have been worked on change from day to day, week to week, month to month. I had that happen to me and panic set in early on for me post op. So give it some time. I know you're in a hurry to see it soon. Talk to Dr. M about all of your concerns tomorrow and see what he has to say. But, don't be too hard on yourself. Give it a chance to heal.

Oh Gem, I'm so sorry. Try not to panic before giving your eyes a chance to heal and talking w/Massry, he knew how unhappy you were and I can't imagine he'd make things worse. But I can so relate, and I believe it's because we (or I certainly did) have deepset eyes to begin with and it doesn't take much to exacerbate that and I don't believe alot of these drs take that into account (mine certainly didn't) or didn't think it mattered and for the life of me I can't figure out why when it seems so obvious. I was explaining to a doc how my eyes look smaller now, receded, the opening is smaller and my eyes look strange--they are very light in color and look stark and even my pupils seem smaller and more constricted and piercing and this man, this 'doctor' (who is here on real self, tho not very active) actually said to me that the eyeball itself was not operated on (?!) (no [RS bleep]) like I was an imbecile, needless to say I walked out. To me, it adds insult to injury after a bad outcome the patient is left grappling trying to figure out what happened and what exactly was done (like Massry wanting to know if you had a cantho). And we end up with no working relationship with original doctor and useless office/surg notes-- so everyone is left in the dark and the revision docs can't tell by looking at before and afters what was done so the patient just gets screwed again. And still, the docs out here on the QA say don't worry about the procedure details (technical stuff) just tell us what you want, unless it goes bad and then you're screwed! Sorry, for ranting--not trying to make you feel worse, Gem--I can just so relate to your frustrations and that you're NOT ALONE. I refuse to give up. Hang in there and be gentle on yourself, you still look good--you're doing all you can and see what Massry says.

I know. Its hard when i knew from week 2 the other surgery was a botch... trust is rough after you had so much of your body ruined.

I trust Dr M or I wouldnt have come to him. I know he had my best interest in mind. Its the eye i dont trust lol It was pretty messed up, so revision on ptosis isnt uncommon. Thats where im at with it. He did a great job, the eye just need more attention.

I think you're in good hands w/Massry, too --your recent pics look good. I'm sure he does most of his revision work w/out original docs notes. In my case, it has screwed me royally not knowing what my doc did. Screwed twice;first the botched work, and again w/no details to his twisted thought process. Glad you're feeling better.

I hear you...our decisions shape our lives, and believe me, I've had my share of bad ones where I wish I could go back in time. Hopefully, he will have a good report for you today. : )

The notes matter none... because none will put their bad doings in a report. Mine didnt his. I have mine. He didnt give them too me after asked many many times and the signed release to get them, still he took the surgery out of the papers he sent. Lol kinda funny like a child. Anyway they only out basic info to cover their ass. Do u think mine was going to put "opppsss i melted way too much of this chicks legs away and then had to continue the whole way under her glut to inner thigh" do u think he was going to put "opppsss i took way too much tissue and skin off and now shell have hollow surgery eyes and look 10 yrs older" nahhh he didnt put any of that, nor did he put "opppss I got too close her top layers if skin and now it will be discolored and stick to the muscle" nopppee didnt put that either. Lol He didnt say he took muscle or tissue away from my top lids... but come on.... look.at them. Lol. He didnt say he cut my lower lid muscles..but come on.... its obv my eyes are in my head farther. Im now looking up info on that surgery. My eye on left will need pulled back out of my head. Raising the lid some made it much more obv ....least now i finally understand why the puckered skin, the deep in my head look. All adds up now. I can actually see how the bad eye has way less protruded round part out. So all along it was more about less eyeball. Unreal.

No report really. Just healing and see next week. I see whats up with the bad eye still and eyes sunk in my head. That wont change till they are fixed. Eyes are more open though. That was point of surgery. Fillers would be to add cushion back..next to fix deep set. Cant really fix a pushed in eyeball...witnout fixing a pushed in eyeball.

Now i see too why it baffled Dr M... and he asked a few times if i had a canthoplasty. I think i did...and didnt ask for it nor is it in records, because a little skin taken off is not going to do all this damage and all thos crazy scar tissue. I have scar tissue at the corner of my left eye that goes out an inch. How is that possible if all he touched was a little fat and skin. He was not told by me anything else was ok.

I cant wait to finish that maryland medical report!!!

Have u spoke with drs. I expressed my concerns today and Dr M listened and gave a few options. He does care how you feel and how you feel about outcome and what he can do to help. Not sure why you feel screwed on not getting papers. They can only do what they can to fix anyway. So dont worry so much about that if you cant get. I lucked out getting mine. So made me crack up when i asked for it from office and they took the surgery papers out of the copies. Lol you could even see the title page and then nothing bahaha toooo bad i already had copies from another way. Lol

I had a facelift for early jowling and lines--it should have been a mini lift..or fillers or nothing at all. My surg notes say "rhytidectomy" but there are several facelift techniques and I don't know what he did, because like a good patient I told him what I wanted and didn't want and left it up to him. Then I came out looking terribly distorted (bad) and trying to figure out what he did. So yes, a note somewhere in my records indicating his choice technique would've helped me immensely since most doctors want to dismiss me outright that my eyes could not have possibly been affected by a facelift. What I have been able to piece together is that he did some modified cheeklift + overly aggressive pull + my anatomy, left me w/this result. Not to mention wrong vectors and lots of other technical stuff you find out after things go south. Of course I'm seeing doctors but I am selective after wasting my time, money and emotions to be let down, or have some moron tell me my eyeballs weren't operated on. Or huge egos-I saw Dr Y in Boston a few years ago and was not comfortable. I can't afford for someone to 'try' it's too emotional--I'm still looking and have a consult a week from Monday, so I'm always hopeful. The one good thing is my original doc is gone (retired, quit, dead..) so he can't screw up anyone else. Real Self has been a great help. I wish something like this had been available BEFORE I had ps.

U shd have pics up.so ppl like you could help you. Yea wish i had looked up more meased up eye surgeries. Im super screwed. My bad eye is pushed back in my head now. Didnt realuze what the issue was prior that Lickstein took too much fat out atound eye so it actually subk in my head. Now it really sunk. Look at my after pic on last post. You see how its closed up. Ira cuz there is less eyeball out of my head. Just laying down i can feel the diff between them never realized what was the diff with thatt eye. I sure know now. It looks redic. From.side view there is hardly any round eyeball out of my head. Scared to death is it going to keep going into my head.

Thank you. Ill keep snapping

Thank you. I have been. First day i iced a lot and didnt sleep much to not get too out of wack. I know it can get bad. Yesterday got a lil purple under one eye. Happy that didnt get worse sleeping 11 hrs. I think it will go away in a few days. So not bad. Thanks for caring. I appreciate it. Glad im this far. I think fri i was so glad it was over i didnt want to sleep lol

I'm glad you're this far, too. You're a true gem, and a strong person. Hang on in there and don't give up hope. I checked out Massry's website and he seems to be a doc at the top of his game. : ) Once the swelling, bruising, etc., subsides you'll see what's what. I'm praying for you. : )

Thank you.