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Created New Spider Veins - Lutherville Timonium, MD

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I have gone through hundreds of needles on both...

Cassie linardi
$5,000
I have gone through hundreds of needles on both legs to remove clusters of spider veins at the vein clinics of America in Baltimore , only to have many many new spider veins come out. I finished my treatments and to follow up in 3 months I pay out of pocket $300.00 each visit for 20 mins on each leg. I am afraid this is going to become a never ending story and I am running out of money. any ideas out there?

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May 29, 2013

Oh wow, that must be frustrating (and expensive).  Have you considered getting a second opinion elsewhere before continuing with the treatments you are doing?  Did the Doctor have any idea why new veins were surfacing?  That would really tick me off!  Keep us posted on what is going on.

June 4, 2013
You probably need to treat the saphenous vein, which is what is feeding those spider veins. The saphenous vein may be refuxing. Ask your doctor about the VNUS closure procedure. Hope this helps.
June 4, 2013
Pray tell what is refluxing going to cost me since I have already paid 23,000 dollars out of pocket . I have been back to the clinic since I wrote, and that was another 300.00 not to sure if I am going to be happy about this.
June 4, 2013
The VNUS closure procedure is covered by insurance. The doctor will need to do an ultrasound to check the vein for reflux.
June 10, 2013

You can keep having schlerotherapy for your spider veins and the problem is not fixed, it lies with an incompetent saphenous vein which is causing spider veins. That procedure is covered by insurance. Spider veins will continue to appear if the underlying problem isn't solved.

August 3, 2013
I had the sapphous vein closed , but i still have proliferation of veins on the treated sites.. . The veins proliferated again after veingogh and now I am left only with the options of leg makeup or camoflage tatoo. My local tatoo person will not do it, but there is someone in San Diego who will, so I will go there in a few months and have her do a small area as a trial.
June 13, 2013
If you take horemones, this may be thr problem. The horemones cause changes in the circulation ( my dr told me) and the veins keep regrowing.
June 13, 2013
I would not presume that the treatment "created" new ones. It is your body that generates new ones, especially if you take horemones. And you are never know whose body will and whose won't, but i agree that a person should be warned that this can happen.
June 26, 2013
No hormones , as of today I now have a new cluster the size of 3 fingers where they were treated in the last 3months. And new ones the size of quarters in other areas, also a large surface vein cacti corner below my knee. I have never had veins in this amount appear like this.
June 16, 2013
Hi Cassie: I could have written your message. I have been there, right down to having wasted likely a couple K on out-of-pocket treatments for spider veins,after having the larger "feeder" veins treated, all by sclerotherapy. The trouble was, it was a far-too-incomplete job. And, just ignore the comments from all the amateur doctors one here. New spiders CAN crop up due to the treatment, (no you DON'T have to be taking hormones for this to happen, just very sensitive skin). Compression stockings for a few days after, I found stopped this, after it happening to me twice. But another commenter was partially right. It is likely an incompetent vein, or more than one incompetent vein, as in my case, "feeding" the spider veins. It does NOT have to be the "saphenous vein", so don't go to see your specialist with a self-DX. I live in Fairfax CO, so luckily, after two mediocrities, I was able to find a *competent* vascular specialist. (That's the trick-- medical care is abundantly available!) Try looking online for state-of-the-art vascular specialists, as I really believe you need one who is up to date on, and has,all current technology available. The "vein clinic" who wasted all my money, is uninterested in progressing beyond backwoods, unguided sclerotherapy. The vascular specialist, OTOH, scheduled an ultrasound of the veins in my legs, first thing. Insurance covers this, (luckily because it is over $400 if you pay out-of-pocket). He determined that I have several incompetent veins, in both legs, not just the leg that developed a DVT during the 3rd trimester of a pregnancy, but that leg has more issues. The veins lose elasticity and cannot close properly and push the blood flow upward toward the heart; thus, the reflux back into the leg, where it "pools up". The veins become enlarged from this ill use. The surgery he recommended to correct the underlying problem, (the spiders are merely a symptom) is outpatient, taking about 1/2 hr. They use a large laser (not the rinky-dink kind used on facial capillaries, the type used in an OR) to close the incompetent veins, where they will soon disintegrate & be resorbed by the body tissue. As they are "going" the body is busily building new networks of veins from the many thousands of miles of healthy, little-used ones we all have available. Your insurance does cover this, at least, all reputable policies. And then, when you're all mended, THEN you can have the spiders treated so they won't come back. I will be in the same boat, and this part we will have to pay out-of pocket, so I will tell you what I plan to do. Stick with the specialist. (Make sure he has the Vein Gogh. it is the biggest of the Big Guns against spider veins). From everything I have gathered in my research, it usually gets 'em all -even the finest ones- in 1 treatment. Supposedly only rarely does it take 2 treatments. After that, from time to time, people may require "touch-ups" for new spiders which may occur. The reason I would choose the Vein Gogh over the Veinwave is that, as I understand it, the Veinwave is high tech sclerotherapy. Sclerotherapy is just not that efficient. I imagine the Veinwave is way better, as it isn't all "in the dark", I guess, and it is more thorough, but it is still saline sclerotherapy, which never served me well. I would rather do the Vein Gogh, and not have to have umteen treatments. Which I have a sneaking feeling Veinwave might entail.
June 16, 2013
I was not told to wear compression stockings after the Yag laser treatment and that may have made the difference. After the viengogh I wore them for 2 days. I don't believe that Veinwave is sclerotherapy. It is thermocoagulation, from heat.I would have tried weivwave as many sites say that they are essentially the same, but my physician ( who did the aspphous vein ablation) said that they were soo small to treat with Veinwave. So i went to for the Viengogh. I am 2 weeks out now and things are still looking positive. Still have the pinpoint blood spots, but the telangiectasis ( matting ) is pretty much gone.
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June 26, 2013
I have used many of these devices and no, veinwave and veingogh is basically the same thing. It is thermocoagulation. Not sclerotherapy at all. They both do what laser does, coagulate the vein through heat, but with a needle instead.