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Bad fat overfill - ongoing review

  • posted 1 year ago
  • updated 1 month ago
  • Not Worth It
  • Cost: $12,000
  • LA

I didn't use to think that fat transfers were...

I didn't use to think that fat transfers were a big deal. I'm in my 20s and spent money regularly on expensive juve and resty treatments - thought fat would be more economical in the long run and a worthwhile investment.

Sadly, my surgeon didn't listen, lacked ethics and neglected to exercise good judgement.

After pointing out tiny areas to be done (just as I used to do when getting fillers), I was put under and woke up swollen everywhere. In denial, I thought that the adjacent areas had swelled up around the injections. It turned out that my surgeon changed tack and filled my face without consent.

Result?:
Sunken lips, narrowed smile, pillowing of grafted fat in cheek, yellow discolouration of skin/broken veins, hardened fat panels moving up underneath another big layer of fat in my cheeks, face that doesn't belong to me.

I am now searching high and low for a surgeon to remove some of the fat.

Some important facts I've learned about FTs:

- There are many FT techniques that different surgeons use. Read up online and take time to learn about them - depth, passes, levels, amounts, units (cc/ml)
- Injection of fat is done through mutiple jabs - a more invasive process than fillers
- If you have thin/fair skin, irregularities can be more visible
- Injecting fat into the upper lip gives less tooth show; injecting into the nasolabial folds can turn down the mouth
- Faces deplete with bone loss and skin laxity, in addition to fat loss, so fat zealotry can't solve everything. A simple truth that some PSs haven't quite grasped.
- The resorption of fat in the face can make areas appear larger, as surrounding areas get more hollowed out
- Fat cells behave in the same way as their donor site. Choose yours carefully
- Consider whether you'd enjoy the sensation of filler being injected throughout most of your face, before being swayed by pseudo-scientific data or 'facelifts with fat'

Would I recommend FT? Yes. But as a procedure that is used very sparingly like fillers or sculptura or as an adjunct to other procedures. My experience was based on misunderstanding and ignorance and I've been overfilled this past year.

REMOVING FAT:

The new hobby. Anyone trying to do the same or who's gotten success?

Well, here I am 1.5 years later and nothing much...

Well, here I am 1.5 years later and nothing much has changed except the fat appears to have gotten even more lumpy and irregular. Either that or I'm more sensitive to it. When I come to think about it my problem is pretty severe. I look like a puppet an my skin is all ripply from the constant fluctuations of fat. Most of the problem was that it wasn't injected properly at all in my opinion. I sure wish he hadn't injected it into my skin. Too much volume is a bad thing, but fixing poor technique is very difficult, because fat is more likely to form granulomas, lumps, cysts, scar tissue from poor technique. If the doctor doesn't inject the fat deep into the cheeks, it will just sag off the face. This fat also feels very uncomfortable in areas of motion - it is completely unlike the natural fat in my face.

Some members on RS here have only tried 5-fu injections with some success, others have had micro liposuction, others are considering expensive eyelid surgeries to remove their fat. Some have even had to go through a year of fillers and undergo more fat transfer to correct deformities left by the original. There is also the possibility of having to undergo a facelift to get back the facial contours and restore sagging skin if your problem is very severe. To be honest, I think you need to have a lot of money and time on your hands to fix this procedure, and many of us are exhausted.

I had a lip reduction but it just made things worse. More scar tissue! So that will need to be redone.

What I would say is that if you're young, like I am/was, your options to get rid of this are very limited and you could be stuck with a lifelong problem, so please - anyone in their 20s (or even 30s) - be very careful who you choose for fat transfer and err on the conservative side. Try not to be put under anaesthesia for this procedure and remain awake as an active participant in your treatment.

Haven't been on here for ages and am sorry to all...

Haven't been on here for ages and am sorry to all I haven't yet replied to. I've been asked for photos privately from a few people so I'm putting these on my review. I will take them down soon but that's pretty much what an overfilled fat graft looks like.
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I wish I'd placed a higher premium on ethics and character when choosing my surgeon. I did what I thought was the right thing, going to an LA surgoen with a great reputation. The best of hands is an ambiguous term. Fat is great when used CONSERVATIVELY, but too much of a good thing becomes a nightmare and deeply regrettable. Make sure your surgeon listens, draws up plans beforehand and makes plenty of time for you and your concerns. Do NOT take this procedure lightly.

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amelia girl (RealFriend) 4 Apr 2013
Thank you for sharing.  I am sorry you have and are going through this.  I experienced bad filler injections under my eyes with bluish tints and lines (malar mounds) through the middle of my face.  I still have it as well from poor technique.  I try not to look at it b/c then I will get upset.  One place I will not inject fat is the face..too much unpredictably and at least fillers eventually subside.  (somewhat anyway)  Thank you for your review.
Unoq 5 Apr 2013
HI amelia girl, thanks for your comment. You know, I wonder if irregularities result from collagen production which can happen after different types of dermal fillers are administered. I have also wondered why things like veins etc appear after people have (often bad) fillers. My basic guess is that some skin types suffer from prolonged stretching and swelling of the skin. Know exactly what you mean by "trying not to look at it" - sigh.
amelia girl (RealFriend) 5 Apr 2013
Do you have veins showing through your face as well Unoq?  I have a bluish vein that goes from my eyes right through the center of my face in addition to the malar mounds/creases that showed up on my face after fillers in the tear trough & cheeks.  They are horrible.  I mostly see them under overhead florescent lighting or direct sunlight.  Is that when you see yours?  I had it done 2 years ago.  I am sorry this happened to you so young.  I was thinking within the next 3-4 years (around 50) that I will end up getting a facelift (by someone good this time) and I was hoping that may help.  But, that is obviously not an option for you.  Has it gotten any better?  Mine looks a little better than it did 2 years ago.
Unoq 5 Apr 2013
Yes I have veins top - they are broken capillaries mainly, and 2 purple veins that have popped up under one eye. I was told that here it's too delicate to do a vein removal procedure but I'm not sure. Perhaps a low energy diathermy procedure would help? Where fat was injected into temples (and dissipated) I have large green veins there. I am wondering whether this could be covered up with filler but after my (and your) experience it's probably wise to leave it. Unfortunately with time I feel the problem has gotten worse - it's more uneven. Also it seems to have clumped a lot under the skin. Believe it or not I have been offered a facelift on more than 1 occasion to correct the problem! I am glad to know yours has gotten better. There's still hope, i guess, for things to improve, but I will be looking at
Unoq 5 Apr 2013
...surgery ( got cut off there, oops).
amelia girl (RealFriend) 5 Apr 2013
Wow, it really does sound bad.  I am so sorry.  I do hope it gets better for you.  Could they actually smooth it out with fillers over the fat or is that a goofy question?  I can't believe they offered you a facelift in your 20's?  What?  Wow! Do you have a good doctor now?
Unoq 9 Apr 2013
A doctor told me I'd be wasting my time with fillers because the contour deformities are too much to hide. The bits that really bother me are the ones you can see because there's no way to hide them. I don't have a plastic surgeon at all, only a maxillofacial surgeon. 2 plastic surgeons in the US and one in Europe said facelift, but i'm not convinced -i would not want to trade one problem in for another.
amelia girl (RealFriend) 9 Apr 2013
Aaah, I see, I was trying to think of something that could help.  But, I agree, a facelift at your age does NOT seem like a good idea.
aging beauty 4 Sep 2012
What is 5fu? What is a Rf treatment?
Sigourney 2 Mar 2013
Do you think that you can file a suit? Just wondering. Best of Luck to you.
Unoq 3 Apr 2013
Thank you sigourney for your comment, no I didn't think of filing a suit. I would imagine that would be very difficult and expensive to do. Also I'm not from the USA so I don't understand the system there. I should put in a warning about having surgery abroad to be honest, no matter how fancy the doctor is. Because it's easy to be impressed when you're not on home turf (a bit like "going a bit wild" on holiday, you're less likely to exercise due diligence). I did this - not once, but twice. Next time, I would visit as many doctors first for an initial consultation - no surgery.
Unoq 3 Apr 2013
5fu is this injection some plastic surgeons use to get rid of scar tissue. I don't know much else about it as haven't had it. check out goodfacegonebad's thread. RF = radio frequency (bipolar, monopolar, tripolar).
crissie 29 Jul 2012
Hi everyone,

Can you please post the names of the doctors who did these really bad result procedures. It would be helpful to know who to avoid. Thanks!!
Juliabars 1 Jul 2012
Hey unoq, is there a reason you choose not to write your doctors name on the review?
Unoq 3 Apr 2013
Hey Juliabars (and crissie), I didn't write the doctor's name down. I want to talk honestly about how I feel etc. including sadness and anger. It could get me (or anyone else) into real trouble putting his name in that context, particularly as I'd be accusing him of doing something without permission. I don't need the stress of that, on top of everything else, particularly as I'm still struggling in my daily life with the face he left me.
Pocahantas 6 Jan 2012
I have just finished reading your post, I feel for you :o(
popthehood 17 Oct 2011
What is with this unevenness I hear about? Is it due to the fact that resorption doesn't occur symmetrically or was it the method and area in which fat was introduced? Dude, this F/T sounds horrible. Lumps, cysts, and unevenness. Why do these surgeons overfill anyway if they're not even sure if it'll keep or not?
popthehood 17 Oct 2011
*take not *keep
Nothing2say2u 16 Sep 2011
Quno I never said my review from yelp got taken down an replaced , I read what you and JLA wrote on MJ's boards and you mentioned me .
If you are going to be talking about me, get it right.

I said I TOOK DOWN MY REVIEW on yelp because I was getting harassed/stalked by "someone" who kept trying to copy my reviews, even the ones not related to his P.S. And if you click the reviews that were filtered on yelp you can see they are all from that "same" person they even stole another reviewers profile icon and used it to imitate them.
Also JLA said she saw my pictures!? How? Which pictures did she see and from who?
Unoq 16 Sep 2011
It was me who mentioned your pics, I was searching for answers to fat transfer problems here ages ago, I saw 2 small before and after pics attached to a question about putting pressure on a new fat transfer and I assumed they were yours... and then I understood the complications you were left with from that. Sorry if I got the yelp story wrong. I thought your actual reviews had been pulled.
Chanel12 13 Dec 2011
Hey! I haven't heard from you in a while. I just wanted to see how you are doing? I went to another PS today to see what I can possibly do for my cheeks, and he said to wait a year from the date I did it and see my original surgeon first...1 year for me is April...I really don't want to wait that long. I just put up new pics of my cheeks on another post hopefully it should go up tomorrow. I still look hideous! Has anything gotten better for you yet?
Unoq 13 Dec 2011
Hi Chanel,
Sorry to hear that. No - things are not better, in fact they seem worse, upper cheek still joined to nasolabial fold, puppet look when smiling and obvious asymmetry / uneveness. In the new year I'm going to book some consultations and see if there's anything that can be done. I am really dreading it though, it seems other people have had quite a challenge trying to remove fat, which worries me.
I am not surprised you don't want to wait until next April, is there no one else you can see before then? Which post did you put your photos on?
Q
Chanel12 14 Dec 2011
I am sorry to hear that too, when I went to the second PS yesterday, he was saying that I should go to my original PS because only he knows how it the fat was put in...or to get my medical records with photos. My post isn't up yet, I just did it yesterday so hopefully sometime tonight. My photos came from my facial place so it the second photo has a bloodspot on my chin from a popped zit haha. Not exactly the best picture to put up, but oh well, I just wanted to show the hollows of my lower cheeks. Once it goes up I'll let you know.
Unoq 14 Dec 2011
Hey, the thing is I think they say that because they might be reluctant to want to deal with the problem themselves, or genuinely believe that the PS did it in good faith. They could probably feel your cheeks and make a good guess where the fat is, but medical records might help them.
The truth is that I think doctors who aren't any good with this procedure don't always know where they put the fat in! I'm pretty sure the one who did mine didn't intend to put it so superficially & sag in my skin. He made some very bad surgical mistakes too. I wouldn't be surprised if he got an OR nurse/the anaesthesiologist to do it so he could go off and give someone Botox to make more money. I would say 'an associate' did it but who would even get onto a medical degree with such horrid technique... I could have done a better job myself! It looks that bad that I cannot help wondering, since not only the placement but the technique was clearly awful in my case.
Maybe see your original doc one last time and if he's not very helpful,you could get the report that visit??
Chanel12 15 Dec 2011
The link is up...here it is http://www.realself.com/question/reverse-fat-transfer-cheeks#427598

This is how I am looking now. It's still hard to tell the difference since I cut off the top half of my face, but you can kinda see the difference.

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