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Replacing All my Teeth. London, GB

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Booked in to have all on 4 treatment for both...

camelos
WORTH IT$45,000
Booked in to have all on 4 treatment for both upper and lower arches in less than 2 weeks from now. As the surgery date draws closer I am getting more nervous about the actual process, how I will feel afterwards and the end result -- is it going to feel really weird and unnatural? Like many people on this site I have had a big fear of dentists though not sure why as it is not even the needles that bother me particularly. I think it was more that I was didn't want to hear the bad news about my dental situation. I am still in my mid thirties just about still and have had aggressive perio disease which I left untreated until earlier this year when I was suffering from abbesses pretty much constantly and two teeth fell out within the space of 48 hours (though had lost quite a few before this and hadn't done anything). However, by the time I did go to the dentist, the first time in almost 15 years, it turned out just to be too far gone to save my natural teeth, those which hadn't already fallen out by the time I started this treatment, and the ones I do have left are all crooked and loose with major gum recession also. Basically not a pretty picture!

So I have spent the last 6 months or so getting use to the idea that I am going to lose my teeth and figuring out what I am going to do about it and how I might be able to pay for treatment. I have also attended many dental appointments during this time and more or less overcome my dental phobia thanks to some very kind and patient dental professionals. In terms of options, dentures were definitely something I wanted to avoid at my age as you hear lots of horror stories about them falling out and not being able to eat and speak properly. Full implants seemed like the way to go but the cost here in London, UK is so high so have thought about and looked into going abroad - Hungary being the most obvious choice but I am not the best traveller even under normal circumstances and my fear about what if something goes wrong during treatment definitely put me off this. Anyway, got some great advice from the guy who did the perio work and also did my own research and looked a few clinics in London and have found one that was recommended to me and seems very professional, offers a good guarantee and I feel comfortable with though certainly not the cheapest. At the same time, I figured out an affordable way of paying for the treatment, partly through re-mortgaging, as it so much money and I earn a very normal salary - not the kind of wage that can really afford cosmetic treatments.

Anyway, everything is now set up for treatment to go ahead I just need to turn up on the day and place myself in the hands of the surgeon and the rest of the team doing the work. It will be done under conscious sedation as well as local anaesthetic. Not had sedation before but hope this will help or at least make me not care about what is going on as last time I had just local anaesthetic for dental work I could still feel quite a bit of pain. I will be at the clinic all day and am told the actual surgery part will take about 3 hours. Well I am going to make the most of solid meals for the next week or so even though chewing with the amount of teeth I have left is not that easy as I will be on a very soft diet for a while after the surgery. I really hope it will all be worth it but I am optimistic that it will improve my quality of life and will start feeling confident to do all the normal things that people do again.

Anyway, I will post again after my surgery.

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November 16, 2015

Thank you for sharing your journey with us. Best of luck on your upcoming surgery, and please do update the community when you're feeling up to it.

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November 16, 2015
Yes could you post some before and after pictures. i looking into implants my self thanks
November 17, 2015
I had bad perio disease, loose teeth as well. I had the all on 4 procedure done 3 weeks ago.
Best thing I have done.
It is a journey, but seriously, I had no pain at all. A slight throb a few nights later, and nothing a pain killer didn't fix.
The lab here was busy, as my teeth were due in on Fri. I ended up having to wait until Tues.
The most important thing is to ice. The first 48hrs after surgery you need to ice your jaw. 20 min on, 20 min off. This slows swelling. I ended with just slight swelling on day 3. No pain, just swelling.
Also I have been reading tongue twisters out loud each day to help speech. My speech is great, close to normal.
It does feel differently, but in only 3 weeks I am getting used to it.
It's like when you first lose a tooth, your tongue darts around a bit. But you get used to it quick.
The clinic has no doubt told you that you will be on a soft diet for 3 months. No biting or chewing.
I'm ok with that. Soups, pasta, eggs, sorbet, milkshakes, even had slow cooked pulled pork. I just cut it fine and soak it in the juices.
My teeth look amazing, my health is better, I have no perio, and in under 3 months I can eat what I want.
My teeth were getting loose and in such bad shape as well as my gums, that eating was becoming difficult.

The first 2 days I didn't eat much. Sustagen milk drinks, and soup that I put in an apple juice squeeze bottle and squirted down my throat.
Your mouth will also drip constantly, lots of saliva, for 48 hrs.
Take a few days off work and take it easy.
Good luck and keep us posted.
November 17, 2015
Thanks for the advice 4lucky. I am really glad you are happy you went for it and you are pleased you did. Also, it is reassuring that you have experienced minimal pain/discomfort. I think that a few months of a soft diet is hardly the end of the world and, like you experienced, my current situation doesn't give me a great deal of freedom to eat as I please anyway. The speech is one of the things I worry about most as I have to do quite bit of speaking at work. I will get working on those tongue twisters also. Anyway, as my surgery is on a Friday I have the weekend and also booked three days off the following week for recovery - hopefully this will be enough but will request more time off if necessary. I am told I should heal/recover quickly as other than my teeth/gums I am reasonably healthy. I have bought an ice pack in preparation and will stock up on liquid foods before hand also. I think the clinic are going to give me a big bag of medications and pain killers anyway. Still nervous but just counting down the days now.
Thanks for your kind words and I will update with how it all went as soon as possible afterwards and will aim to add some pics at some point.
November 17, 2015
No need to be nervous. It's a natural response, but if my experience was anything to go by it was all great.
It was a bit daunting, but I'm so glad it's done. Now it's just checkups and then late Jan, I'm eating a steak!
Check out my page if u want anymore info and to see some pics.
December 6, 2015
Can you tell me how much it cost for upper and lower jaws please as I don't have any teeth at all I would love mine done as I am very deprested I don't even go out any were thanks ing you very much if you can let me now
December 7, 2015
I have sent you a private message with more details but I wish you all the best as I feel for you. I do hope you find the right solution for you.
December 7, 2015
Cost me around $50,000 AUS
June 22, 2016
what was the cost?
June 22, 2016
£30k British pounds.
UPDATED FROM camelos
1 day post

New teeth are in

camelos
Went for the 'all on 4 treatment yesterday and it all went really well. I think the actual surgery took about 4 hours maybe a bit longer but I lost all sense of time once they started pumping the sedation drugs into me. The only pain/discomfort I felt was towards the end when the surgeon bolted the prosthetic teeth into the implants and the rest was a bit of a blur -- the extractions, putting the implant screws in etc. and I was too out of it to feel anything much.

They gave me antibiotics, ibuprofen, co-codamol and steroids to take over the next few days. I felt a bit rubbish in the car one the way home and then slept a bit in the evening once I got back. I felt a bit nauseous at one point but the feeling passed after a few minutes thankfully. I have been using an ice pack fairly regularly also. I haven't eaten too much yet just some rice pudding and some very soft creamy desserts and drinking fruit smoothies. The lower part of my face has swollen up a little bit today and a my mouth feels a little bit sore but nothing too bad - nowhere near as painful as having an abscess.

Still feel a bit 'washed out' today, the day after but really happy I have got this done. My new temporary teeth look amazing and feel quite good generally. Beforehand, I was concerned if it would feel strange but it isn't that bad -- the lower one feel quite normal and with the upper ones it feels slightly odd where there is a bit of an acrylic ridge at the top that I can feel with my tongue. It feels a bit odd if I tap my teeth against each other, quite a different sound from my natural teeth - but not a big issue. My speech is not that badly effected though, I don't think I would want to give a presentation to a whole room of people or anything just yet but normal conversation is ok and in some ways slightly better than before as my natural teeth had drifted so much making speech somewhat difficult.

So far, I am really happy with the clinic where I have had the work done. It seems very well set up and all the staff have very dedicated roles including the administrative staff, the nurses, the dental technician, anaesthetist and the dentist of course who are all friendly, professional and most importantly highly competent in what they do. I think it is particularly good that there is a dedicated technician on site who works with you to provide teeth as you want them. I am also pleased I have chosen somewhere local as this is a complicated procedure that requires numerous appointments to get to the final result. I had three appointments prior to surgery, the surgery itself and now have seven further appointments planned over the next six or seven months.

Anyway that is about it for now. Will be taking it pretty easy for a few days as I expect the swelling to get worse possibly. Just happy that I have got the surgery out of the way and that my new teeth look great.

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November 28, 2015
Great news ! Keep on icing
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December 31, 2015
the temps look great, can I ask how much you paid?
December 31, 2015
Thanks. £30,000 UK all inclusive of surgery, meds, temps and final prosthesis.
UPDATED FROM camelos
4 days post

Recovering at home

camelos
My recovery seems to be going quite well. For the first couple of days I had quite a bit of blood in my saliva, felt pretty tired and my face swelled a little so I looked a bit like a chipmunk and my skin was really dry. Using the icepack pretty regularly for the first 3 days but not any more. Thankfully not too much pain though still taking ibuprofen to help keep the swelling down and using lots of moisturiser on my face and chap stick on my lips also. I have developed a bit of bruise on my right jaw and my face stills feels a little bit stiff and awkward so I can't wait for this to settle down to so I know how my new teeth really feel and my face looks with a mouth full of teeth once more.

Finished taking the steroids yesterday and just over half way through my course of antibiotics. I have just about been able to eat some normal food as long as it is really soft such as spaghetti bolognaise yesterday and tonight I'm going to try some chicken and vegetables but with lots of gravy to soften it up so I can mush it up and slurp it down hopefully. I've ventured out a couple of times now and day after tomorrow I return to work so getting back to normal. I just feel very grateful I was in a position to get this procedure done as it is very distressing when your teeth start failing especially when it all happens so quickly.

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December 2, 2015
You look great !
December 2, 2015
Thanks.
December 3, 2015
Your procedure sounds like mine. Had it done 2 years ago and still very happy with result.
December 3, 2015
Great to hear you are still happy two years down the line and for hopefully many more years yet to come.
December 4, 2015
Hey patmdoyle
Great to hear from someone who is 'down the track' with this procedure.
How does it feel after 2 years ? any issues ?
Can you truly eat 'anything' ? Like hard candy, steak, etc.
I am 4 weeks post surgery. Looking fwd to the end of Jan.
December 4, 2015
The only issues I have had has been cleaning too much with the waterpik and making the implants ache. Went back to the implantologist and he said nothing wrong just don't go overboard on the cleaning. I eat most things but am careful about really hard things because it's a lot of money to spend and then break the bridge. I also would have taken more time choosing the final teeth. I am still very pleased I had the procedure done and hope it lasts for many years. Did you have temporary teeth placed or the permanent ones on the day of the procedure.
December 5, 2015
I had permanent ones with metal band inside a few days after procedure.
Was told they are final, but they can make changes if I wish at the 3 month mark.
I'm not sure if I like them or not, it's only been a month.
I've just started using waterpik. I use it twice a day on low setting at moment.
I brush after each meal with a very soft tooth brush.
Do u floss ? I think I get shown how to do that at next appointment
December 6, 2015
It is things like fresh crunchy vegetables that I miss the most but only a few months away now but probably best to avoid brazil nuts and hard toffees. I think that is good advice from patmdoyle about spending time on selecting the final teeth as I didn't give the clinic that much guidance regarding my temporaries just some old photos and left it in their hands. Though I am very pleased with the work they have done and it is so much better than what I had prior to the procedure I think I might make some tweaks for the final ones I am going to live with long-term. The clinic actually suggested that I bring my partner along to help me decide for the appointment where we look at this.

Also I have recently noticed that I can see a little bit of one of the implants on my lower front if I pull my lip down but hopefully not a problem. The stiches in my gums are starting to get a bit annoying so hopefully they will dissolve soon and sometimes I get a slight throbbing sensation from some of the implants which is not painful as such but just a bit of an odd sensation. I go for a review at the end of this week so can ask about these things. I will also get a waterpik at this stage and cannot wait to start cleaning properly but will be careful not to overdo it and make them ache.
December 6, 2015
I had the same sensation, the slight throb. Not painful, but just a sensation. I was told it's all good. It's the bone and implant 'infusing'.
I'm not sure what I like and what I don't like about my new teeth.
Maybe it's ok, I'm not sure.
I'm very happy so far tho.
December 7, 2015
Well if the throbbing is the implant fusing that is good thing and I can certainly live with that. Is yours still doing that or has it eased off at all now?
It is also strange getting used to having a brand new set of teeth and hard to know whether they are completely how I would want them aesthetically speaking but they certainly help me feel more like myself again if that makes sense. I am quite glad to have a couple of months to get used to having a set of straight teeth again and think about it before they do the final ones but I think the revisions I will make are likely to be fairly minor but even if I couldn't change anything I could certainly with their current appearance. It is just a bit odd to me to have a choice in the matter!
December 7, 2015
Mine has stopped in last week or so. Now I have no throbbing at a ll. I'm now 5 weeks after surgery.
It is odd knowing you can change them, I think I will just keep mine as they are.
I'm still getting used to smiling again. I used to subconsciously hide my smile and teeth for years. Very weird now, it's like I need to learn to smile again.
December 8, 2015
I think that smiling is something I will need to get used to also.
December 8, 2015
When I had mine done I had a temporary bridge for about 4 months which had big gaps to get the waterpik in to clean and rinse out any food particles. It was easy to keep them clean. I then was fitted with the permanent porcelain teeth which in my opinion look a bit too false. I preferred the temporary teeth because they didn't look so 'perfect'. I found it very hard to choose the right shape of the teeth and was guided by the surgeon. I should have been more pro active. I am happy with the procedure but it is a learning process. I now eat most things but am careful with nuts or hard things. To replace the bridges if they broke would cost a few thousand pounds so I am not taking any chances. I can floss with the tepe brushes because there is a tiny gap between the teeth. I also use Ultradex mouthwash. I am very conscientious with cleaning. At the back of the top bridge you can see the implant very slightly which I wasn't too happy about when I smiled but the implantologist said it was visible for cleaning purposes. You have to trust what they tell you. I really trusted my guy. I went to various clinics and some of the did the hard sell so for me that was a no no.
Another thing is I am still a bit conscious when I smile
that people might be thinking are those teeth gals although none of my friends actually knew I had had anything done so they must look okay. I don't think about teeth very often now but you definitely have to look after them. They are not your natural teeth and the cost is so great that I for one couldn't afford to have any more expense. Hope this helps.
December 8, 2015
Sounds like good advice to me. I didn't visit that many clinics myself but did contact a few by email and once they have your details and know you are looking at an expensive procedure the hard sell it can get quite annoying. One of the places I contacted even got suspicious of me when I started asking lots of questions about guarantees and asking for breakdown of all the fees. I think they thought I was another clinic 'phishing' for details or something. Needless to say I didn't use them in the end. I was lucky enough to get a recommendation from someone in the know who I trusted and obviously felt comfortable with them and the proposed treatment plan when I did go for an assessment as it can all be a bit confusing and overwhelming when there is so much expense involved and you are desperate to make the right choice.
August 20, 2016
Hi mate I sent you a PM could you give me a recommendation? Thanks
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December 9, 2015
They look beautiful - so natural! I'm having mine done in a few months. You've really eased my mind.
December 9, 2015
Thanks and good luck.
February 10, 2016
Your smile looks fantastic! What shade did you choose?
February 10, 2016
Thank you. A2 I think but not 100% sure. I trusted the dental tech as far more of an expert than me and I feel it has paid off.