Botox Gave Me Puffy Eyes and Dark Circles - Greys Essex, UK

Hi, I am back after long spell. In January after 7 months with not much improvement I decided to get some filler Restylane to improve the under eye bags + I dysport for my forehead line,elevens and crows feet. It was the best thing I ever did and this time it was with a different injector in Harley street London. It goes to show that with a different injector and possibly higher brand of botox the less chance of problems. Also this injector practice is insured. It was very pricey but worth it. the most money was the restylane. The under eye bags have gone so when I wake up in morning I'm not constantly looking in the mirror in the morning and putting under eye creams to decrease the bags and disguise it. However Its not completely healed but im satisfied and perhaps the under eye skin will improve from the creases when there were skin folds. Another thing is that my eyes appear hollow and I may have to visit again and get some more filler that can plump up to get a natural look. The filler can last from 1 -2 years pending where it is injected. Under eyes treatment tends to last about a year or so. Since then it has given me confidents. I would say for you visit your injector and ask for there advise. The problem is the botox is irreversible and I would advise just to let nature take its course and in time it will go away. Some people heal quicker that others and depends on the volume too and brand possibly. Give it 6 months and access before and after pictures also take as many pictures during this period so you can access if the botox is going or not which it should. I would advise not to rub it with anything like creams and minimize your salt intake. Try to exercise as much as possible and get plenty of sleep. Time is the only healer im afraid and I believe with me another 6 months I should be near normal. I hope not to get anymore filler but it shouldn't be much of a risk as there is antidote filler injection should it go wrong unlike botox. I hope you have a speedy recovery and will get better I assure you but for me It was taking to long after 7 months. best wishes

This is not valid logic: " It goes to show that with a different injector and possibly higher brand of botox the less chance of problems." The game of Russian Roulette is just as dangerous when you pick up a pistol or a rifle. All bullets are botulinum toxin and regardless of brand is hands down the most deadly toxin on the planet, even at, and especially at "miniscule doses." The hands of the injector do not know when they hit a blood vein directly or how much of what is injected into the muscle will then seep into the lymphatic system and up into your central nervous system. We all believe it will never happen to us, but something always happens to each and every one of us when we put this neurotoxin in our bodies. We fail to recognize it because it will manifest months and years down the road, but this kind of toxin is NEVER A HEALTHY THING. Beautiful on the outside yes, but SO VERY HARMFUL on the inside.

The most dangerous drugs get a "black box" warning. Look at Allergans. http://www.allergan.com/search/search_results.htm?query=botox%20black%20box WARNING: DISTANT SPREAD OF TOXIN EFFECT The effects of BOTOX Cosmetic and all botulinum toxin products may spread from the area of injection to produce symptoms consistent with botulinum toxin effects. (toxin causes toxin effects, there! you were warned and you can't sue the company for selling you a lethal neurotoxin. Of course you have to figure out that "botulinum toxin effects" is a disease called Botulism) These symptoms have been reported hours to weeks after injection. Swallowing and breathing difficulties can be life threatening and there have been reports of death. The risk of symptoms is probably greatest in children treated for spasticity but symptoms can also occur in adults, particularly in those patients who have an underlying condition that would predispose them to these symptoms. (5.2) to continue: There has not been a confirmed serious case of spread of toxin effect away from the injection site when BOTOX has been used at the recommended dose to treat chronic migraine, severe underarm sweating, blepharospasm, or strabismus, or when BOTOX Cosmetic has been used at the recommended dose to treat frown lines and/or crow’s feet lines. CODE WORD: "Confirmed" by Allergan. Many doctors have confirmed botulism which is challenging since there is no diagnostic test for it and doctors confirm it by clinical observation, like they did in the old days when people ate tainted green beans. The warning is an understatement and misleading so even good doctors who try to advise their patients of risk cannot do so because the clinic trial information is withheld from even them and the literature published is by the academic hoes on the Allergan payroll.

Do NOT get Botox/Dysport! I regret it everyday of my life! It's been pure heck!!

Pepper do NOT inject this poison. It's not worth it! It attaches to our nerve endings. It literally is killing us from the inside out! Adverse reactions aren't worth it! Wish someone warned me. Gave me one side effect. Regret doing this everyday of my life!!!!

Well, be an educated consumer so you can do the best you can evaluating the risk. You are about to put the most deadly neurotoxin on the planet in your body. Print out the black box warning from the Allergan website. There it (understates) states the risk: the "spread of toxin" will go systemic meaning it will get into your blood circulation and into your central nervous system. Ask the doctor if he is versed in recognizing the symptoms of botulism and have him recite them to you. He should also be able to tell you that symptoms of botulism become observable from day 1 to day 20ish. You should be informed there is no diagnostic test and no treatment for botulism, other than being on a ventilator to support breathing. I find it interesting XEOMIN black box warnings state their product can cause the disease botulism whereas Allergan wordsmiths around it by saying "The effects of BOTOX and all botulinum toxin products may spread from the area of injection to produce symptoms consistent with botulinum toxin effects." seriously, does Allergan not think people can't recognize double speak and circular logical? consistent with botulinum toxin effects?! do you realize botulinum toxin effects are botulism?! An issue near and dear to the heart of our military defense bioterrorism agencies who take this toxicity issue seriously. There is such a concept as "iatrogenic botulism" established in the research circles. A responsible doctor should have read the Cote article about the deaths and disabilities from botulinum toxins. "Botulinum toxin type A injections: adverse events reported to the US Food and Drug Administration in therapeutic and cosmetic cases" I think there were 206 deaths, only 1% of people report the adverse events so you could extrapolate there were 2060 deaths between 1989-2003. Before death there is huge range of disabilities and permanent nerve damage and latent organ damage including cardiac arrest. Pharmaceutical companies are very skilled in explaining away any deaths that occur after 2 weeks of using their products so it is very likely there were thousands upon thousands of deaths deemed "not causal." I've heard of the suggestion of a "waiting period" like is mandated on handgun purchase. This gives you time to determine if your doctor receives money from pharma in question, evaluate his knowledge of toxicity and botulism, etc. He will reassure you ALL IS WELL, he has never seen any issues. He is in the room with you and I am but the voice of (very informed) reason far away. Follow da money. Who makes money off you when you believe and trust in this product?

I have had it time and time over again and I NEVER had any complications ever. I did once wakeup with one eyebrow slightly higher than the other but went right back to my physician and got it fixed and was super happy. It does from time to time get me light headed but not often at all. It really depends on the person I guess. You can get so many different results, but you need a skilled PS to know exactly where to inject.

Me too, I go to a doctor, never had puffy problems, the effect is great and lasts 6 months.

Do you still have baggy/puffy eyes after one year on? If you do it means that botox can damage eye muscles

No puffy/baggy under eyes now. I do have dark bags which I did not have and my face fell as a result.

Sorry about the dark bags. So dysport can cause damage. Glad to hear the puffyness is gone. For me my puffyness is getting less but its very slow. Its 3 months out how long did your puffy take to go away.?

Botox and Dysport both can cause damage. It took about 4 months to go away and got deep bags to replace. There's been studies done they have found this toxin on the feet, brain, finger nails years later after ppl are injected. I did find that sinus meds helped make eyes look better at times. Take pics daily of your face you may see how it changes. I would get little purple veins in bags. Then little wrinkles would appear in different places on my face. It has aged me 7-10 years.

Hi there, my left bottom eye lid has recently started to twitch from time to time. I remember when I had the Botox that my eye lids were twitching. I only hope that this is good news that my ocular muscles are coming back to life. Only hope the right one comes back to life as this one is a lot worse. Did yours twitch when there were getting better.

My eyes did twitch a lot. Also at the strangest times. Of course always when I'd talk to ppl, I know most ppl don't notice but made me uncomfortable. Though a nurse practitioner told me that eye twitching can be a sign of lack of sleep. Lol! I was stressing about my face I wasn't sleeping well. So I just took it as lack of sleep. Maybe it wasn't lack of sleep if yours our twitching. Now my eyes are uneven bc face has fallen. They are sunk in but think that's bc my face fell. Totally changed the shape of my eyes as well.

My sleep hasnt changed and this is new so I believe the twitching is relating to the botox wearing off. My eyes are still not me and they are slightly puffy with a dark shadow like its sunken in.

Good then maybe it's getting strength back. Hopefully they don't stay that way. It is a long process and draining. My eyes never went back to normal. Totally changed the shape of them. I have shared pics thru email if u want to see pm email addy and I'll send pics