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Fraxel II: Before and After

Had one procedure and not sure yet if its worth it...

Had one procedure and not sure yet if its worth it yet but my pores are smaller and the swelling has subsided...

That said, here is the progression so far. I had the procedure done in Rancho Bernardo ($600) The procedure was administered by a nurse and they recommened a series of 3 treatments but there was NO pressure to buy a package up front which was great. The procedure was Thursday morning. I arrived one hour early so they could numb my face with cream for one hour. My face was very numb but it still was uncomfortable and it felt like getting a hot match tattoo all over my face. The pain was only when the laser was active - once it passed the area it didn't hurt. She did 6 passes.

On Friday night, the skin around my mouth and chin broke out in tiny pimples. I called them and the said that this is normal, particularly for those who have had acne or if this is their first procedure. They advised me to use my regular acne products. I bought some Neutrogena Rapid Clear gel that that helped subside the breakout and reduce the redness overnight - it wasn't completely gone but it was much better in the morning.

I am taking pictures every day to see the progression and will update about each week or so.


Had one procedure and not sure yet if its worth it...

Had one procedure and not sure yet if its worth it yet but my pores are smaller and the swelling has subsided...

That said, here is the progression so far. I had the procedure done in Rancho Bernardo ($600) The procedure was administered by a nurse. Procedure was Thursday morning and felt like getting a hot match tattoo all over your face.

Saturday the skin around my mouth and chin broke out in tiny pimples. I called them but haven't been able to get a hold of them to find out what can be done.

I read a lot of the reviews and wanted to comment on a few things:

  1. I noticed is that many of you are referring to Fraxel II but I noticed that in one guy's video it's not even a Fraxel machine. It's a Palomar machine which is different.
  2. Esthetician (at least in California) is not licensed to prick the skin - that is go beneath the first layer. Shame on that gum-chewing broad for suggesting that is even a HINT of being okay...
  3. If you got burned there is something seriously wrong -like the person was not trained or they are using an inferior machine. Go to a doctor's office for serious laser procedures - not an esthetician.


Results are not super significant but the...

Results are not super significant but the orange-peely texture and fine lines are reduced after one treatment. It takes a few months to see the results. I have my second treatment first week of April.

My skin's texture has improved - not super huge...

My skin's texture has improved - not super huge but lots tighter and less pebbly. If you get this done take before and after pictures to see the difference. I also went back to using Rhonda Allison skin products which in the past have made my skin totally glow. They are expensive, but you only use tiny amounts so they last a long time. I am using: - Pumpkin Cleanser (Daily) - Growth Factor Serum (morning and night. its magic, I swear!) 1x per week - alternate between masks: - Beta Refine Mask - Pumpkin Parfait Mask

I will have to say that it IS worth it...

I will have to say that it IS worth it now. I took pictures for before and after. I've had one treatment and will have my second next week. The results took a while to happen. In addition, if I hadn't take photos I wouldn't have realized that the lines and pores were greatly minimized.

 PROACTIVE IS MY SECRET SOLUTION. I had a...

 PROACTIVE IS MY SECRET SOLUTION.

I had a bad breakout from my first Fraxel. This time I went out and bought a 30-day supply of Proactive (cleanser, toner, repairing lotion, refining mask) just to give it a shot.

I started using it at the very first sign of the breakout - about 20 hours after the laser. I think if I would have used it before any signs of breakout I wouldn't have had any... Even so the pimples were SO minimal.

The Proactive didn't dry out my skin any more than the Fraxel did, it helped keep the redness down and the toner felt soothing and hydrating.

It REALLY helped keep the breakout down to about 95% - I BARELY got any pimples - not nearly as severe as I did the first time which lasted about a week. I used the Proactive for 5 days until the urge to break out subsided.

I'm a new fan!

DermaCare, Rancho Bernardo CA (Dr. Jeff Birchall)

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Hello ,I Had my first Fraxel Dual at a Plastic Sugerons office on Tuesday April 12th. Took a dose of zanax 1mg to help keep me calm since I cant take valuim. I was taken to a room to be prep. Numbing cream was put on my face and I waited about 1hr. The gal came in explained what was going to happen. Then bam! Oh man that smarted. I didnt like it at all, but was sorta prepared for it since I was told ahead of time.It isnt exstremly painful but it doesnt feel good we wont lie. Every time it went across my face I would shake all over, like I just climbed out of an ice coverd lake. The cold air may have been a factor coming from the laser. Not sure what was causing this affect? It took about 30 min since I needed her to stop ever so often, so I could catch my breath.I took a vixodin on the way home. I was given some Sin Arnica tablets to take every 6hrs to help with swelling along with Benidril and a balm ointment for my face. The first night I iced every 25 min and woke up every 4hrs to continue through the night. I took Ibeprofen 400 for inflamation every 6hrs which helped. I slept sitting up as directed. Right after the laser my face felt very hot and stayed that way for the first 2 hours. I had started to swell. The next day I was very swollen and went back to icing every 25min on again off again.It is now the 4th day and the swelling is starting to go down.I have little brown specks on my face and my eyes are still swollen. The spots will go away I was told they are not permanate.I do not see a big differance yet but will keep ya posted. The staff was very straight up, called me to check on me and were really great. I have another one in 30days since that is the amount of time you should wait for the cycle on your skin"I was told." and will be ready for it this next time. I will be taking the Pain pill befor I go out the door!I hope that works. I still have some lines and wrinkles but need to give it some time. Not sure how many one has to get for this kind of a thing to see results? Hopefully it is only three. I dont think I would like to many of these. But if you want to look better I guess it is better than going under the knife.
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What about today? Does your skin still look good? Are your results still good?
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Does anyone know if it's worth it to go for a second fraxel treatment for acne scars? I had my first one in Oct and most of the people I told said my skin looks the same.
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Best Result!
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The purpose of resurfacing is to encourage new healthy cell growth..Ablative resurfacing kills and removes the cells..This beam creates a micro hole kills cells but damages the surrounding cells...They can still multiply but mutated....DNA damage premature aging...Cancer ect... If you want to do it by all means have at it nobody is stopping you..But don't say you weren't warned or fully informed down the road...Like many others here Ask your doctor for a study that disproves this one from unbiased doctors...That is Doctors who don't work for the companies manufactering it.. New is not always better..With any question of damage it should not be approved so broadly for something elective and only used on the worst cases... But hey the FDA is on top of it.LOL.. I would love to have Reliant market some of my dogs poo. Women and doctors would be rubbing it allover their faces And I could retire to the Hamptons....
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Are you saying that the Fraxel Dual will cause horrible complications in the future and it is not FDA approved? I was told differante, please post your website findings. Thank you
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Kathy The fact that retinoinds did that to your face would make the fraxel a contraindication for you.... I bet the doctor who was prescribing it didn't ask about previous reactions to products ect medical history ect... Did they examine your skin closely thru the magnifying glasses...? Fraxel does the same thing it creates an immune response to make you skin hyper exfoliate/turnover...Its based on normal transdermal elimination...Anyone who has immune issues that would create abnormal trandermal elimination have the potential for disastrous results.. This could be anything from dry skin/acne to diabetes ect.. Knowing that you would be a great candidate for the Skin medica Tns recovery serum and the eye cream...They have growth factors that do not irritate... I think you would see the same result or better than fraxel after a few weeks of using it...Check out reviews from sites...I like skincarerx to read reviews from customers.... Also the coffee berry cream during the day is amazing for redness irritation... better than cortisone based prescription the doc gave me with no steroid side effects It was voted Allures best night creamand is loaded with antioxidants...My new doc told me to use it during the day..... I like the original version better than the newer one The scary thing about these new medical devices is there was recently a case in the Supreme Court that makes it almost impossible for a person to sue a device company if it is defective or malfunctions ect...When it has FDA approval Combine that with the fact the Pharma companies lobby and give more money than any other industry.. Second in line is the banking/insurance industry.... The $168 million thrown at lobbyists amounted to a 32 percent jump over 2006, according to an analysis by the Center for Public Integrity, which was based on data obtained from the Senate Office of Public Records. In all, the group says that drugmakers have spent more than $1 billion lobbying the federal government over the past decade. “As the biggest lobby on the Hill, the pharmaceutical industry wields tremendous influence that impacts everything from prescriptions to patents,” Bill Buzenberg, the group’s director, says in a statement. “The central point is that their massive spending has been highly successful, largely producing the political results the drug industry wants. http://www.pharmalot.com/2008/06/pharma-sets-spending-record-lobbying-congress/ http://projects.publicintegrity.org/rx/report.aspx?aid=723 Combine that with the corruption in the FDA and you have a free for all of what the manufacters can claim and do.... This is probably why they feel they can lie to the doctors to sell the devices...They know they are exempt from liability... Glad you found this site before you believed all the media hype they advertise... They sell it to doctors based on profit margins encouraging them to delegate to staff.. It's terrifying and we are only seeing the beginning of the fall-out it will be worse than the mortgage mess.. The most deadly form of skin cancer melenoma increased 50% in women but not in men since the 80's... Non-melenoma skin cancer,,Basal and Squamas cell has tripled in women under 40 Why? we are doing much more to care for our skin and spend less time than most men outdoors golfing fishing ect... Most makeup has at least a 15 spf.. Greed and politics control every aspect of our lives..The more you know the safer you are.. One thing I like about the transparency Obama is trying to bring to government.... Regardless of all the other issues.. With transparency it's very hard for corruption to stay unexposed.... Scientist at the FDA sent Obama’s transition team a letter exposing the FDA corruption and officials approving unsafe devices...Begging for Reform in the medical device division specifically.. To get to the bottom of anything all you have to do is follow the money... Who makes it and who they lobby or donate to.. Advertising money--controls the media to a degree Lobby money--controls the government, laws, FDA ect The only way to know the real truth is to FOLLOW THE MONEY and POLITICS.. It could save your life....
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pk tes tu faire se traitement fraxel ta peau etais magnifique?
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Retinoids wrecked my face once and I swear if I had any pictures of how badly it tore up my skin you would be impressed. I looked like I had rosesea for years after I quit using it. That memory is what makes me give pause and listen. No one knows why this happened to you but until they know, I am afraid to do it. I am going to use the money to redo my master bath and my closet. When they iron out the kinks in the patient selection process and/or whatever else is going wrong, I will jump on board. Plus I can't put my husband through it. He is so sad and worried. I have never seen him like this about anything else. I am out.
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ThatCaGirl I have seen your pictures and they show me exactly what I want to see. You were pretty before and you look even more beautiful now. I have seen Awalks pictures and read her story and it terrifies me. Messing with a pretty face is scary business. My husband had read part of Awalk's story and saw the photos and he looked at me today as we were making the bed and he said, "Go look in the mirror and ask yourself if you want to risk ruining that face?" He sounded heartbroken. I called my doctor and postponed my procedure. I gave the patient coordinator this site and told her that is why I am spooked. I wondered if Awalk ever asked a dermatologist if he didn't know anything about her what he would assume was wrong. Please forgive me but it looks to me like the skin of a meth addict. Please don't think that I am at all implying that you take drugs. My heart is broken for you and I know that is not the problem. I just wonder if how they would treat you if they just based it on what it looks like. I wonder if meth skin is somehow like yours in a way that could lead to a treatment. Stranger things have been connected for medical advancement. ThatCaGirl, your pictures are beautiful and you got the results that I am seeking. I am so torn because like both ThatCaGirl and Awalk, my before pictures are good.
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Kathy your husband is right this is new if your skin is already nice..Please don't mess with it on a device that hasn't been around long.... Think of all the drugs that are recalled after they go thru years of trials.... Medical devices don't receive any scrutiny.... Just google FDA medical Device Obamas transition team to understand the corruption that is involved with the approval and manufacturing of these devices thru the FDA it is severly corrupt..... If you need a refresher retin a microderm or peels are the best thing you can do for your skin... Please don't risk your face on this procedure... I would do anything to have my old face back and I have seen other doctors they are upset and see the damage..But the laser goes so deep no one knows how to repair it...My next stop is Johns Hopkins.... My only hope at this point is some sort of stem cell fat grafting to repair the DNA Damage and mild resurfacing that ablates the top layer as opposed to going so deep..... Deeper is not safer because it affects the cells below....Non ablative is not worth the risk....Or reduced downtime...It is misleading and false... If the top layer is removed you still have healthy cells below to repair.... You will have a few days or week down time not much more than fraxel..But it's better than a lifetime.... I agree my face does resemble a meth addicts...My friends will get a kick out the statement because... I rarely even drink achohol and never smoked a joint in college.. I'm not a party pooper just never needed it...If it agrees with you have at it....I have met many people who I wish would smoke or drink....To improve their personality..LOL Listen to your husband and use the credit to apply towards another course of skin care... This is not the answer...Trust me..I have done my homework... The risk may be worth it for severe acne scarring but not a refresher mild scarring or wrinkles.... The before afters are not as impressive as other procedures....It's all marketing hype and doctors make big money of prescribing it...Thats why they push it...And they want the practice... Find something else If the Retin a is irritating at first alternate it with TNS Recovery serum(The BEST)and Revale coffee berry night cream during the day..The results will blow Fraxel out of the water and no risk....It has improved my skin and I am starting to venture out again....After two years..But my skin will never be the same....
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I would love to know your results. I have very large pores and years of sun damage. Is Fraxel worth it? Does it really make a difference in the pore size? Here in Texas 4 or 5 treaments is close to $5000...yikes
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Yes - I understand and agree. That's exactly why I'm taking progression pics to get an objective view of the improvement or lack thereof. It is my understanding that the collagen takes up to 6 months to regenerate before you can see a result. So far, I wouldn't say my face looks $600 better. I'm not impressed by the results to date. I'd say that a strong salicylic peel gives better short-term results.
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Thanks for the effort and the photos posted. Just keep in mind there is a swelling after laser procedures that hides pores and other imperfections TEMPORARILY. The actual result should be evaluated when the swelling is down and sometimes even months after the procedure to give the skin time to produce collagen if any. Photos a week after the procedure have swelling going on, notice how the pores 'disappeared' 2-3 days after the procedure. Do you really think skin can produce that much collagen in 2 days? I don't think so. My prediction is that in a month the pores will be back cause the swelling will disappear and stop covering them up.
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So to translate, this abstract basically says that the "TUNEL method" of measuring cellular damage caused by laser devices is effective. But it doesn't say anything about long-term scarring - which is what (I think) you are trying to warn us about. We all appreciate you trying to be helpful but this data doesn't bear any relation to delayed scarring.
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I just had my 2nd Fraxel treatment yesterday! Everything went smooth, no pain but a little more tingly/prickly feeling this time because the setting was a little higher. The doc. has the latest Fraxel out there. I have swelling this morning and my face is red and tight but other than that, I feel good and plan to go back to work tommorow. Note: I have heard of another laser called the Co2 laser that can be more damaging but I didn't opt for that procedure!
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Thanks for including photos. It's very clear that your skin texture is much improved from your Fraxel treatment. Also, your under eye area looks very good.
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I was told today that there are several types of lasers used to treat acne scarring, the Fraxel laser does not have radiation! I did not have a Co2 laser used on my face. Thanks for sharing your experiences though.
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The above articles read "Many infrared (IR) laser systems are being used in tactical military ground and airborne applications". I did not find anything regarding Fraxel Laser. How do you know the laser mentioned in those articles is the same used in Fraxel? Specially applied like Fraxel and with the same potence? I would like more clarification on your research for Fraxel damaging the skin 12 months after it's application. Thanks
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My intent is not to be confrontational only to make sure that others had the opportunity to be fully informed...I could not find info online before my Fraxel and had the best Plastic surgeon whom I trust and have seen for 8 years for botox and resty. If you want to move forward and your doctor told you no risk of scarring ask him to guarantee it in writing or give you a percentage of time it occurs… Does he know…What are the long term implications results?? What did your consent say????Did they give it to you at your consult so you could take it home and read it...Or wait till you had taken pain meds or are on the table?? The fact is there is not enough research..The Air Force ect. is doing studies to determine the effects of this wavelength because there aren’t any….Just read the other posts..I'm not the only one.... http://www.stormingmedia.us/14/1460/A146074.html?searchTerms=infrared~laser~~damage~ http://www.stormingmedia.us/search.html?q=infrared+laser+dna+damage+&search.x=10&search.y=5
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ThatCAGirl delayed onset scarring is far from a phenomenon all scarring is delayed.. As far as medical substantiation You only need to google radiation ulcer they develop years after Radiation.. This is infrared radiation....But please if you can find a study that shows the 1550 pulsed wavelength is safe from someone who isn't financially biased I would love to see it.. I have nothing to gain other than an clear conscience in sharing my experience maybe another will be spared. Isn't that why we are here to share unbiased reviews that a doctor or company who has a financial interest simply cannot do....
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There is something very suspicious about the postings from "awalk". Perhaps he/she is a disgruntled former employee of the company that developed the Fraxel lasers?? Her rants just don't make any sense. Two days ago I had a Re:pair treatment with the new 600 micron Fraxel laser. It requires just one treatment. A numbing gel was placed on my face for 2 hours. I had no other medication. The treatment was a breeze. Mostly I felt nothing, but in some places I was a pain level 2 (out of a scale of 10) and in a few places I felt the pain was a 4. No big deal, the device passes over the skin so quickly and there was no pain afterwards. My face is very red/brown and is somewhat swollen. I can see the little pin holes on my skin which looks so funny! My face feels tight, but there is no pain. I am looking forward to a few days from now when I expect my new beautiful skin will emerge!
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Hmmmm... delayed onset scarring is a phenomenon I have never heard of. If you have medical substantiation of this, please send a link.
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I was never told by any doc. including my dermatologist about scarring afterwards! I guess I'm willing to take that chance!
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Do keep us updated! I was given pain meds, so my first procedure went very well. The only time I felt a little discomfort was around my mouth. As far as the pimples, I was warned about them, nothing you can really do about them, they will go away in a week or so. I'm having my 2nd treatment this week.
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