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I posted this under a comment, but wanted to...

I posted this under a comment, but wanted to create my own experience,too, so that maybe others going through a similar experience can reply. Thank you for listening.:). I had my first botox injections Nov 11 for crows feet ,brow and forehead, and undereyes. Surprisingly, although my injections were under my eyes and were injected extremely deep into the muscle, I responded fairly well and I guess I can say"liked the results". They seemed to wear off fairly quick, and I thought I would do it again to remain wrinkle free(forgot to mention that I barely had wrinkles in the first place.just a few smile lines on side of crows when I smiled). Feb 23rd, I went to my local medi spa at a nearby mall for more botox. The girls there told me about dysport and it worked just as good as botox, but lasted longer and told me it was cheaper than botox after the $50 rebate.

So, stupid me, sat in the chair and got 50 units into my forehead,crows and to top me off :( she gave me one injection under the middle of my left eye, after i told her not to. And that is where my nightmare began. I had the typical reaction that I have heard from so many women on this forum, the droopy face, bags under both eyes, creepy skin near my mouth. It has been hell. I had been going to the gym daily and running for 5 miles to get the toxin out of my body. I was seeing improvement under my eyes, but the loose ,saggy skin under my eyes was just horrible. I was started to panic because in a couple weeks actually have to go away to accompany my husband on a trip. July 9th I went to a very well known plastic surgeon to discuss w/ him my under eye situation . I went in knowing that I would get botox again to my forehead to tighten it up a bit and get rid of those half moons above my eyebrows which are now back after 4 1/2 mos. post dysport. Thought that might boost my spirits?!. The day I was to meet w/ the PS, I had a breakdown and cried. The skin under my eyes was so loose and baggy, not tight and firm like it used to be. My crows feet were back and when I smiled they would crinkle up and bunch up. I pulled myself together and went to the Dr., depressed about my appearance. I told him my story and he really didn't believe it was the dysport which pulled the skin under my eyes down. I told him it was and went onto to tell him that I didn't look like this in Feb. I showed him pics as proof. He said that he has heard that alot from women who claim that they don;t think they could've aged in a few months!?!? I went crazy and told him that I didn't look like this Feb 23rd. He offered botox for my forehead and said that botox on the side of my eyes(crows) would make the bunchy creases there when I smile look better. He did say that it wouldn't firm up the saggy undereyes.

Before I agreed to all, I (emotionally,w/ tears in my eyes )just asked him if I would look better, and he said yes. So, I did it. 34 units to forehead, brow and crows. I came home and immed. saw the difference and felt my face get tighter. I was thinking..hmm...maybe that was all I needed was just more botox? Not so sure. the next morning I woke up w/ huge hammock sized bags under both eyes , and crinkly eyes when I smile. Yep, chipmunk,swollen face,too. My skin is still saggy on my face. I am so upset. I am an avid gym goer, was running 5 miles a day, weightlifter. My diet is impeccable, no sugar,carbs,salt. I don;t drink or smoke. Fitness and competing is my life. Needless to say, I have been home in hiding since Monday when I got home.. I hope I didn't set my healing process back now that I had more botox done after being "clean" from dysport for 4 1/2 mos. I think my skin was probably just going to beging the tightening up phase? I am heartbroken. I feel for my poor husband who has to live w/ a depressed wife who used to be so happy,fun and care free. If anyone out there has encouraging words/advice/opinions...anything at all, I welcome all of it. Tomm I have an appt to go talk to another dr. for advice and one again on Mon. I think a lower bleph might be ordered to pull up my saggy eye/cheek skin that seems to have dropped in mos.. It feels good to finally post my story and share with you all. Thank you for being there.xo

Just updating my status. I met w/ a wonderful Plastic Surgeon. I explained my whole Botox/Dysport saga to him and he was really compassionate. He confirmed what I now know. the Botox injected by my family physician below my eyes was not a smart decision. Once the botox was out of my system, it left me with very weak undereye muscles which couldn't support my face below. He suggested laser resurfacing to tighten up my saggy skin . I like this idea alot more than having surgery. He suggested waiting until the effects of my latest botox treatment wears off. I am game. I am not going to get depressed about what has happened to me anymore. I am going to face it head on and fix it. One a side note, the 34 units of botox I had four days ago was like a miracle . My face is so much tighter. Yeah, I still have some loose skin below my eyes, but I feel so much better about myself. Oh, I also asked the Plastic Surgeon if he thought running 5 miles a day for the past 4 mos had anything to do w/ my face loosing elasticity and developing the saggy bags along the crows feet area. He said he just wasn't sure. I really think that while my muscles were coming back to life again, it probably wasn't a good idea. I could feel my cheeks moving up and down at times while running. Not good.So, no more running here on out. Gotta keep what's left where it belongs so it doesn't fall Southward like my eyes. :)
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Thank you, Megan. I am happy to be here..well, not really, but it's comforting:)
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I'm glad you decided to post your own review. :)

As you have experience, it seems Botox goes through most people's systems in about 3-4 months. Other community members have mentioned that working out & drinking lots of water has helped it move through their systems quicker, however it doesn't seem there have been any studies done that support this theory.

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I am wondering if anyone can recommend a good skin...

I am wondering if anyone can recommend a good skin tightening serum /lotion to use to try and keep the skin tight while going through this horrible process? I am also wondering of anyone has any thought about running? I had been running 5 miles a day. It was exhausting-haha-, but afterwards I felt like it tightened up my skin and made me look and feel better. 4 1/2 mos after my 2nd dysport treatment and once it stared to wear off and my saggy face that was once tone was coming back, I started second guessing the running and wondering if it may have made things worse ? Once the toxin starts to wear off and the muscles are trying to regain strength do you think it's a good idea? I could sometimes feel my cheeks bounce...Now that I just botox again 5 days ago like a complete moron, I don't want to create anymore damage until I am back to normal...which can't come soon enough. If anyone can shed some light on running post botox, I would love it. Thank you so much.xo
The last PS surgeon I saw suggested the sm incision below lash line to remove fat and tighten skin. Aren't resurfacing options temporary? I want something permanent..or something that lasts a long time. Ny, huh? I just might take you up on that!!! lol..At least I know how you came out of it,gorgeous! I will hold onto my arnica gel rather than returning it. i think I'll need it soon:)
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Thanks for taking the time again to write to me. I really do appreciate all your advice.
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Hi, Not opposed ! Thank you for writing to me! Guess what I got today before I read this!?!? Arnica gel! I figured maybe it will help w/ my swollen undereye bags.. worth a shot! If I do go through w/ a lower bleph, I think I will let my botox thaw out because it definitely made my skin tighter under my eye and I want it to be at its worst when surgery time comes! (although my PS said I could do it now)...It's been a month since my last botox treatment, so I guess a ouple more until it starts to wear off. I am going on a couple more consultations this week just to make sure that I have done my homework before I decide. I know all my botox/dysport girls on this site who have had horrible experiences have told me to wait and let time takes it course, I am not sure if I can once I see that darn loose skin appear again. I am so happy for you and the awesome results you got!!!! Thanks again for writing!!! Enjoy your weekend looking gorgeous! xo
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Almost 6 weeks post last botox treatment and...

almost 6 weeks post last botox treatment and almost 6 mos post dysport nightmare. I wake up and still have huge slanty eye bags under my eyes. Under eye area still hollowed out and fat pads have dropped ,as well as cheek drop. I started doing Eva Frazier facial exercises the past few days and feel that my face feels tighter. I am being careful,though, to make sure I don;t get any new rinkles from these exercises, especially when squinting..the bridge of the nose bunches up and lines form, so I try to lift that area up while doing the exerercises. What else....I am looking into caci facials.have a call in to a woman in my area who offers them(hard to find ). Besides that, I am drinking a gallon of water a day, taking suppl's, following a clean diet and doing an hr of cardio a day, which really makes me look better afterwards. I have seen a couple of PS to feel them out regarding my situation. Of course , they suggest lower blephs and cheek lifts. I was honestly considering having these procedures done, but came to my senses the other night after reading older posts from Melty and a few other women, who have and are still seeing improvements even after 2 years! I am going to try and ride it out. I am deathly afraid of having a surgery debacle , so I plug on.....I will get back to "normal" and prove these dr's wrong who tell me that I can't! Hope everyone is healing nicely . xo

Glad to hear an update from you, flgirl12. It really sounds like you are doing some positive things (all the water, and exercise) to get the Botox out of your system. Good for you for opting for that!!

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Getting a bleph is NOT resurfacing. Think of it as lipo for the eyes.
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Almost 11 weeks post Botox treatment and I am...

Almost 11 weeks post Botox treatment and I am looking like myself again...crows feet are back...forehead has dropped down to it's normal position again . I can never predict if I will have sm bags below my eyes upon waking in the morning..it is a guessing game.all in all,though, the hammock sized slangy under eye bags have dissipated remarkably .they now are smaller in size when I do have them.cardio seems to alleviate them even more . My crows feet are back ,as well as more under eye wrinkles,especially under my left eye which I never had before.my tiny crows feet were localized to the side of my eyes,which were much easier to hide w my hair! When I smile the crows feet aren't flat to my face .they have puffy appearance to them. I can' t wait until this resolves itself. So, I am now waiting it out...deciding if I want to do just my forehead again in a month or so..for me, I think these crows feet I have still look better than when I Botox my crows feet area. What happens after that,to me, looks a lot worse than a more natural look. I am considering an under eye lift ...giving it serious time to ponder because the thought of looking worse post op scares me to death.
Part of me wishes that I never started this Botox journey. I looked really great before . I love what it does for my forehead and between my brows. Call me crazy, but I like the frozen ,smooth look up there! I will continue to get it done by my plastic surgeon,expensive as he is. I learned the hard way in feb. that going to a medi spa for treatments is not a good idea at all! My face is finally better from that disaster. I still worry about what this will do to my skin ,facial muscles in the long run,though. I know, I am talking in circles....I will keep updating my journey . :)
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I like the smooth forehead look too! Yes, I agree its better to stick with a board certified dermatologist or PS for this stuff. Remember though, you can always stop doing it if you are feeling you are getting more negative results from it than positive. You could even just let it wear completely off and let it be for a month or two and see what you think, then decide if you want to do it again.

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Yay for going back to normal!! The crows feet just seem to be such a tricky area for some of us. Like you, I do like the way my forehead looks when I have it, and its kind of funny because when I very first considered Botox I didn't think about my forehead, just my crows feet.

K, keep updating us on how your are doing and what your thoughts are on if you will try it again. :)

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Update-4 mos and one week post botox for crows...

Update-4 mos and one week post botox for crows feet, forhead and glabella. As botox has continued to wear off the past month or so, I now have more wrinkles directly below my eyes( I did not have undereye injections). Undereye area is puffy ...worse some days other than others even though my lifestyle is consistent 365 days out of the year. I see a slight droop in my forehead(left side) and a couple new lines on my forehead which were not there before. With the approaching holidyas coming up, I just want to look my best, as we all do, going to holiday parties,etc..I have thought about getting more botox to my forehead to give me a lift, but I am not. I see that since I began getting botox and dysport a year ago, it has aged my face and given me new lines that I never had before. I wish I would have left my face alone a year ago and never ventured down this road. I wasn't perfect, but I was "me". I was naturally pretty and felt it. Nowadays, I am so preccupied with how my eyes look when I am in public. I rarely feel pretty, only once in a blue moon I will have a good day. So, I am toughing it out now and praying that I will go back to normal and these puffy,saggy eyes will miraculously go away.Hopefully in a few months, my eyes will regain their strength and I will start to resemble my old self. Like my ttile to my review, I surley do miss my old self.

20 weeks post 3rd round of botox/dysport and botox...

20 weeks post 3rd round of botox/dysport and botox again 20 weeks ago today. Pretty depressed, but trying to be strong as I type this. My undereye area when I smile or show any expression at all still has horizontal folds under them. My under eye area is hollowed out. My forehead area is getting loose and I notice a few more lines on my left side which weren't there before. My eyes look tired and lifeless. I feel like I look sick. The skin on my face is loose, not tight to my bone structure like before I ventured down this horrible road last Nov ,2011. I am praying that I have reached the end of getting all of this out of my system. I can't bear the the thought if getting any worse before I start to get better. I really pray and hope that I get better and go back to how I looked a year ago. From what people have said, it can be 7-9 or more months to get back to baseling. I pray everyday that I will get better. I am a different person now. I don;t feel like doing anything besides going to the gym . This has always been my favorite time of year, I love the holidays. This year is different and I am so sad. I am praying for all of us to heal and get back to leading our lives again with smiles on our faces. xo

Update as of 23 weeks post botox.. I wanted to...

update as of 23 weeks post botox.. I wanted to update my review/experience for anyone who stumbles upon this and can relate. I had been dealing with a left eye issue as far as sagginess and bags goes until about a week ago when I noticed that above my brows(especially over my left one) I have arches(muscles) that are constantly elevated. throw that ontop of my baggy,crepey eye and bam..it is not pretty and I am pretty sad. I have been sick this past week and avoiding all medicine in fear that it will make me look worse. Tough week not being able to work out and look a little better after each workout/cardio session. I just got back from grocery shopping and like I always do, look at older women in their 50's and up who look better than me right now. Depressing. I guess this is all just part of . I have been thinking about going to my plastic surgeon for just a consult, but am holding off because I am scared I might collapse mentally and wind up getting more of this toxin like I did 23 weeks ago. God give me strength. I am trying to be more than just my looks and remind myself that there are so many out there who are so much worse off than I am. It will wear off ...It has to. I find myself sometimes feeling like my old self and pretty, but sadly am reminded of my reality like when I pass a mirror and . Sigh...
Flgirl - please don't get more botox. I'm suffering right along side of you. I'm also on week 23 and looking positively hideous. I was always active & pretty, like you. That me is dead and it is heartbreaking. I'm like a zombie pushing through the notions of life. I have became a recluse. Because we have had bad botox results, we are at a MUCH higher risk of having another (if we are ever lucky enough to recover from this round.) There are no medical studies to show the long term side effects of multiple botox uses. It's literally russian roulette with our faces. However, botox IS accumulative and it actually causes atrophy of the muscles. Think about if you put your arm in a cast and paralyzed it for months, eventually that muscle would waste away. There are also unreleased studies showing botox actually turns healthy muscle into flaccid fat. If you go back again, your muscles may completely collapse and NEVER recover. Stay strong. I'm suffering right at your side, ugly and poisoned.
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KaelynsMom, I thought this Q&A might interest you since it discusses that a person is not at a higher risk for having a bad outcome if the problem is injection technique (such as drooping) and the person opts to go to a different injector of course:

Will I Always Get a Droopy Eyelid when I Get Botox? Does It Continue?

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Hi, Kaelyns Mom, I have followed your story and have seen your pictures. I am so sorry for everything that you are going through. I understand and am right here with you. I am holding off on doing anything further to my face. I am determined and trying to be optimistic that I will get my old face back. I have had 3 treatments since Nov 2011, so my poor little face is struggling to get back to normal. You will get better from this. I know so by reading everyone's story on realself. It can just take time and feel like forever when you arfe living it. Each day is a struggle, I know. When I get into bed at night, I am relieved to have made it through another day..another day closer to being recovered:) . I normally love this time of year, but this year is different and I am not into the spirit ..I can't wait until this is all behind us . I will never take the body & face that God gave me for granted and want to tweek it to make it flawless. I am here with you through this journey. xo
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Almost 25 weeks now and it is still a roller...

Almost 25 weeks now and it is still a roller coaseter ride w/ good days followed by bad days. I still have cheek ptsosis and lack of muscle tone on my left side of my face, from under my eye to the bottom of my nose, with saggy , wrinkly skin that slopes downwards. Now my forehead is looking worse and I thought it was going to stay the way it was. The skin between my eyebrows is puffy and I can actually see the injection spots where I was given the botox in my glabella area. They are raised dots...crazy. My right upper brow is now falling inwards giving me almost an "11" look which I DID NOT have before. I push it up and it just falls towards the center above my nose. This is really depressing to me . I thought I was only dealing with my saggy,baggy eyes and cheek, but now this happens. My skin quality is horrible,too, even though I drink a gallon of water a day and eat clean all the time. I am thinking about starting Retin A to improve my skin quality/tone and thickness. I am also rubbing/ massaging my loose forehead skin . Saga continues. I looked back at my "before" pictures this morning and wanted to cry. Hope everyone is doing well. xo
:( I am also going on 25 weeks and experiencing something similar. I understand what you mean about the "roller coaster". It seems like every day I wake up with a new face, none of which are mine. Try to be as careful as you can about rubbing/massaging the loose skin. I have a University of Michigan doctor working with me that has been extremely helpful & realistic with me about the botox destroying my face. He asked if I was massaging my face and I said yes, lightly. I heard it increases blood flow & speeds up healing. He slapped my hand & said "No more! Your skin is too delicate.. you'll wind up stretching it no matter how gentle you think you are. If you stretch it too much, that will be permanent. " I trust him completely and feel he is truly giving me the best advice. If he would have said surgery would fix me - I would have handed him $10,000 on the spot (I had another surgeon try to get me to do an upper/lower bleph/ and filler) - but he is adamant that time is the only cure. He sells pricey medical grade face serums/creams at his office (Including retinal A treatments) so I asked about them - but he flat out told me he wouldn't sell them to me because they wouldn't help. My desperation is quite obvious, but he did not take advantage. He told me over and over that time is my only cure and that any attempts to speed up the process could likely backfire. He told me do not do facial exercises (I had purchased Carolyns Facial Fitness) for several more months. His explanation was that my muscles that were affected by botox are NOT going to respond properly, so my other muscles will be forced to compensate - which can worsen my face. So, I have been doing nothing. I feel so helpless. Our poor faces :'(. I like to think the changes we are going through (though mostly bad) are a sign that our faces are trying to heal. 3 days ago, I looked kind of ok... today I look like droopy dog with my cheeks hanging down, eyes baggy, and upper lids puffing out. It is so easy to get discouraged, but I think we must focus on the good days. I started taking pictures on my good days to remind myself that my face DOES change. Maybe that could help you too. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day for you. P.S. The best facial care products I have found are from a company called Shea Terra Organics. The rose hips and black soap facial was is amazing and I swear by it. Prior to botox, I ran a huge beauty company and tried every product under the sun - but none compared to Shea Terra. I also found that using self tanner on my face helped my skin look better - because mine looks awful also. The best I have found is Amber Sun Faces by Norvell (I used to own a tanning salon years ago). I hope this helps
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p.s. not sure why this posted twice? Sorry about that however!
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:( I am also going on 25 weeks and experiencing something similar. I understand what you mean about the "roller coaster". It seems like every day I wake up with a new face, none of which are mine. Try to be as careful as you can about rubbing/massaging the loose skin. I have a University of Michigan doctor working with me that has been extremely helpful & realistic with me about the botox destroying my face. He asked if I was massaging my face and I said yes, lightly. I heard it increases blood flow & speeds up healing. He slapped my hand & said "No more! Your skin is too delicate.. you'll wind up stretching it no matter how gentle you think you are. If you stretch it too much, that will be permanent. " I trust him completely and feel he is truly giving me the best advice. If he would have said surgery would fix me - I would have handed him $10,000 on the spot (I had another surgeon try to get me to do an upper/lower bleph/ and filler) - but he is adamant that time is the only cure. He sells pricey medical grade face serums/creams at his office (Including retinal A treatments) so I asked about them - but he flat out told me he wouldn't sell them to me because they wouldn't help. My desperation is quite obvious, but he did not take advantage. He told me over and over that time is my only cure and that any attempts to speed up the process could likely backfire. He told me do not do facial exercises (I had purchased Carolyns Facial Fitness) for several more months. His explanation was that my muscles that were affected by botox are NOT going to respond properly, so my other muscles will be forced to compensate - which can worsen my face. So, I have been doing nothing. I feel so helpless. Our poor faces :'(. I like to think the changes we are going through (though mostly bad) are a sign that our faces are trying to heal. 3 days ago, I looked kind of ok... today I look like droopy dog with my cheeks hanging down, eyes baggy, and upper lids puffing out. It is so easy to get discouraged, but I think we must focus on the good days. I started taking pictures on my good days to remind myself that my face DOES change. Maybe that could help you too. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day for you. P.S. The best facial care products I have found are from a company called Shea Terra Organics. The rose hips and black soap facial was is amazing and I swear by it. Prior to botox, I ran a huge beauty company and tried every product under the sun - but none compared to Shea Terra. I also found that using self tanner on my face helped my skin look better - because mine looks awful also. The best I have found is Amber Sun Faces by Norvell (I used to own a tanning salon years ago). I hope this helps
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