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59 Year Old Full Face Dual Erbium Laser in OR.,Eye Lift Surgery,Fat Transfer to Cheeks,Lower Lid Lift

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Was a longer recuperation period than I expected,...

ktorn
WORTH IT$5,000
Was a longer recuperation period than I expected, still swollen But outstanding wrinkle correction of upper lip and full face.I was a mess in terms of deep wrinkles all over my face, chin, eyes,upper lip. This result was due to over exposure of sun over many years. I looked like a 70 year old women at 59. I had dark circles under my eye as well. I was taken to the OR and given anesthesia through a mouth piece with a mist that put me to sleep. I had awaken to a sever sunburn pain on my face,my eyes were swollen. It was several days of cold vinegar soaks all over my face. After 2 weeks I was able to see some of the results and it was miraculous. I had no wrinkles all over my face, above my lip especially, that nothing had helped that i had tried previous to this. At 6 weeks I am looking really ggod. I will still have swelling around my eye and face for a few months however it goes down litllle by little and no pone really notices but me. I would urge anyone who has been researching facial laser for wrinkles above the lip,face, chin,around eye to consider the dual Erbium laser by Sciton, find a good doctor,like I had ,Dr. Wulc in Plymouth Meeting PA who is a pioneer in using this laser and all facial procedures. He does not do Rhinoplasty's and any procedures below the neck. This doctor is a teacher, triple Board certified in Plastic/Cosmetic surgery, as well as triple board certified in Opthamology,is an Oculoplast. I have dry eye syndrome and floaters in both eyes so I wanted an expert in all facial and eye procedures. You may look him up because he comes with many references from other eye doctors and all over the tri state area. He see patients of all ages for all kind of facial and eye issues. His office staff is exceptionally professional, kind and always professional. Both the doctor and his staff are always willing to help, follow-up is immediate for any questions or concerns. The cost was reasonable considering i was in the OR for 3 hours and his follow-up visits with all facial products were included in his fee, which was $11,000.Here is what he did-Full face Laser,under Anesthesia,OR fee was separate, Eye Brow Lift,Fat Transfer to Cheeks,Upper lip sanding following a deep laser on the LIp,Lower lid Bleproplasty, Restalyne to upper and lower lip, bot ox to forehead to hold muscle in place from eye brow lift. All the follow up visits which is about 6 and now IPL to reduce redness from deep facial laser. I was given all facial products post healing to use as well. All of this, plus everday follow-up from his RN assistant, for $11,000. I look 20 years younger, and will hopefully stay this way for several years. I will be 60 years old in 2 months so I am thrilled about my new look.My eyes look great as well. Please don't go searching for just any {Plastic Surgeon, do your homework, read Blogs, look up sanctions and complaints,look at before and after pictures,and most of all a facial specialist is usually always the best for any facial procedures. This doctor only does these procedures day after day,week after week. Be careful when choosing your plastic surgeon,my doctor for me was the best I could have chosen and wouldn't hesitate to go back to him for anything else,he's wonderful and caring and most of all an expert at facial procedures as well as teaches and lectures at a local medical School. You will see pre-laser and post Laser/surgery pictures, judge for yourself.

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Allan E. Wulc, MD

Allan E. Wulc, MD

Oculoplastic Surgeon, Board Certified in Ophthalmology

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November 5, 2014
YOU LOOK GREAT!!!
November 5, 2014
I'd say you got every penny of your money's worth. You. Look. MAHVELOUS!!! Enjoy your new look and your new life. I can tell from the twinkle in your eye that you will be having FUN!!!
November 6, 2014
Thank-you it's really nice to feel and look younger again, turn back the clock somewhat, thank-you again for the compliment.
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November 14, 2014
How much was the laser resurfacing? I am thinking of having this done and trying to get an idea of cost. Thx
January 30, 2015
You look beautiful!
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February 6, 2015
Oh ktorn, I'm so impressed with your report and so happy for you!!! You look just GORGEOUS and a LOT YOUNGER!!!!!!! I'm sorry I didn't read this before. I just deposited 10% of the cost with another surgeon and scheduled surgery for March 6 for a face/neck lift, revision nose, lip lift, AND was offered either Laser Resurfacing (don't know what kind), or, Dermabrasion. I'll ask him exactly WHAT type of LR he offers and if it isn't the one used on you, I'll probably have to travel to Philadelphia (I'm in NYC) to see Dr. Wulc. Thanks ever so much for explaining so well your case so as to help us too! Of course, if my surgeon doesn't use your LR, then I can always cancel this procedure and go elsewhere where they do it, in case I find difficult to go to another state. Enjoy your life RIGHT NOW!!! :o)
February 6, 2015
Rosdala, Dr. Wulc is in my opinion the best for face neck and eyes,however he does not do nose surgery, he has someone else that he works with for that. He only does faces and neck, nothing else on the body. He is a specialist in his field with several years of experience. Please tell him I sent you so he knows you were referred my me,ktornese,from RealSelf.com blog site.
February 7, 2015
Not sure if you received my message, please see Dr. Wulc he is the most experienced in facial,laser and plastic surgery since that's all he does. He does not operate on noses. He has someone he works with. Tell them Ktorn his patient who blogs on Real self sent you. I had the erbium laser,eyebrow lift,cheek implant,lower eye lift.
February 17, 2015
Dr Wulc is the VERY BEST! I'd travel across the ocean. I'd recommend anyone to him. You won't find anyone better.
February 18, 2015
Hokis, did you go to Dr. Wulc?
February 18, 2015
How would I manage if I'm from So Cal? : ). How long is the after care? His work looks marvelous.
February 18, 2015
If your in California,just research out the plastic surgeon the way I suggested by goggling the doctor by specialty such as typing in all facial plastic surgeons near your zip code. Make sure they only do faces,not full body. Once you've found the doctors, check sanctions or complaints made, check his credentials such as board certifications. If your having surgery on your eyes it's best to have this plastic surgeon be board certified in ophthalmology as these doctors really understand the eye and how to do the surgeries such as this on the eye, coupled with the artistic surgery skill and education will be a winner. Read all the testimonials about this doctor on their website or other websites. You can go Google this doctors name, Type in complaints about Doctor whoever your looking for.Type in this doctor check all the complaints, you might find nothing. You can go to your states medical association, see if they have a complaint blog board. Once you've done this research set up a consultation, ask for pictures, how many per month even weekly procedures he does,weekly or monthly, how many years he's been in his his practice at this location doing this. If a plastic surgeon recently moved that's a red flag because they may have complaints from patients he operated on at his previous location, from patients he operated on and decided to move out of that area. If your getting injectable's, make sure he does these quite a bit as these too can cause really negative outcomes over the long term. Understand not everybody heals or responds to procedures or surgeries the same. But if you really do your research on the doctor of your choice,or narrow down a few you feel would be best to see for consult, then you will feel confident that it wasn't the doctor who screwed up but your own body that may not be responding or healing the way everybody else's is and just need to wait for the most positive results.
February 18, 2015
You are wonderful. Thanks for your time. Greatly appreciated!
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February 20, 2015
Ktorn, what a wealth of info on how to choose a good doctor! I have learned from my improper choice of a doctor to do my filler. I have since switched doctors and now I go to only to Dr. Wulc. Dr.Wulc corrected my filler that was improperly and disfiguringly done by another doctor. Also Dr. Wulc did my "botox brow lift" and restylane on my lower face about 3 years ago. The next year my DL photo was due and I knew I needed filler for a nice photo. I had restylane in the N/L folds by Dr. Wulc's nurse Debbie. I knew my DL photo would turn out great if it came from Dr. Wulc's office :) Everyone......, you will find probably not just an adequate doctor, which should be fine, but a great doctor if you follow ktorn's advice. I have been through the mill looking for all kinds of cosmetic practitioners since the 1980's. I had my first cosmetic procedure which was in the mid 1990's (body electrolysis), and am very impressed with all of ktorn's details which I see as a one-stop-shop on how to choose a doctor. Ktorn's info can be applied also to any kind of practitioner. I even use similar criteria to choose a hairdresser. :) I am looking forward to my consult with Dr. Wulc for my lower eyelid bags/festoon surgery.
February 20, 2015
Keep us posted, please.
February 21, 2015
Thank-you for your support and awareness of how talented Dr. Wulc is, that's why I'm trying to help other women who might need some help making these important decisions.
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February 21, 2015
ktorn, when I see Dr. Wulc I will tell him we talked online. I want him to know I have actually communicated with someone who had a larger procedure from him. I am replying here so people know there are two people on this thread who have benefited from Dr. Wulc's work. Nervous about my upcoming consult and surgery but I always am like this -- "big baby". :)
February 22, 2015
I may be yet another patient of Dr. Wulc's. Best of luck Philaskeptic. Sounds like you are in great hands so try to relax. How exciting!
February 23, 2015
I had Fraxel set at a very high setting and it did not help my deep wrinkles I had two sessions. My face was red and I had this for 4 days, but I have to tell you for me it was a big waste of money and time. Dual erbium laser with the Sciton laser worked the best and goes very deep to target those specific deep damaged tissue and correct those deep effected wrinkles. Co2 laser was always the gold standard for deep wrinkles correction however it can cause scarring and really difficult oozing,long recuperation. It does correct deep wrinkles but targets undamaged tissue so the healing is much longer. I chose Dr. Wulc since his years of expertise in doing procedures only on the face and understanding almost every laser,but most of all uses the Erbium laser I wanted for deep wrinkles only. He also teaches so I felt he would be more inclined to be more cutting edge with newer technology and techniques. I wanted other procedures done on my face so I was really considering the most experienced,educated doctor. I researched for months the right laser and doctor for me.
April 22, 2015
Yes I did go to Dr. Wulc for a lower bleph, fat transfer and Erbium laser. He is superb.
July 27, 2015
Yes I did go to Dr. Wulc and he is the best around! I got my Lower bleph ,Erbium laser and Chantal tightening in December2014. As of right now, I am using a skin care regiment under Dr. Wulc's care with Retinol and hydroquinone. My skin has never looked better. I used to wear heavy makeup. At this point, I stopped using foundation. I only use tinted sunscreen that I get from Dr. Wulc. His nurse Debbie has helped me to have make up optional skin. Be very careful who you let work on your face. I have been to other plastic surgeons who have not been good. Luckily, Dr. Wulc was able to fix it. Do not hesitate to go see Dr. Wulc. Finding him was like finding gold!!
UPDATED FROM ktorn
1 month post

Severe Lip wrinkles corrected by dual Erbium Laser ans sanding in the Operating room

ktorn
When dealing with upper lip wrinkles let me say nothing worked, all the creams,serums, Active Fx, radio frequency treament's, dual erbium and sanding worked,they are gone. If you live in Pennsylvania go see Dr. Wulc, this is a doctor with outstanding experience, does facial surgery and laser,procedures only,teaches, has triple board certifications in Facial plastic/cosmetic surgery and Opthamology/Oculoplasty.

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March 28, 2014
Your results are outstanding - so happy for you!! 
March 29, 2014
Thanks
March 29, 2014
To all that have deep wrinkles on your face or upper Lip the best laser out there for this and least down time is the Dual Erbium laser by Sciton. Please look this laser up and what it does for deep wrinkles on the face and upper lip. I am 59 years old going on 60yrs and this laser by far is the best. It did not leave laser track marks and my wrinkles are gone. I was a mess, bad sun damage,sunken face, dark circles, upper deep lip wrinkles. The pictures are taken from me.
April 11, 2014
I also had Erbium Laser by Sciton and went to one of the top doctors in Southern California. The result is track marks (waffling) on my forehead and cheeks and loss of pigmentation around my mouth. PLEASE don't have Erbium Laser treatments because the results vary with everyone!
April 15, 2014
Not sure what Erbium Laser you used,Sciton is the best, and the dual Erbium is the best one. I don't have any of what you have and Im going on 60 years. My face was a mess with wrinkles,some brown spots. I have almost not marks from the laser,2 months later,I have reddness problems only. It's mild and going for IPL treatment to remove reddness.
April 15, 2014
I don't have any of what you had. My doctor was outstanding and hightly trained,with triple board certifications in all phases of Laser, plastic Surgery,Opthamology and teaches. The Erbium I had was a dual Erbium by the comapnay Sciton. Not all lasers are the same.
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January 6, 2015
You're right. You need an appropriate laser but the doctor is "everything" because the right doctor uses the right laser in the right manner.
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February 20, 2015
The type laser is important but even so the practitioner is almost EVERYTHING. If the practitioner is bad it does not matter how good the tools are, how good your own pre-op and post-op care is and doesn't matter how well you heal. Just like any tool, it must be used properly. I have heard good things about two types of sciton lasers.
June 27, 2014
How's the swelling under your eyes? Any change in shape of eyes? Droopiness? How's the redness from the laser? Any updated pic?
June 27, 2014
No swelling,small whitish spots flat near eyelashes under left eye only. Dr. Wulc tried to remove this however the whitish small bump like appearance is still there. They were raised and now aren't as he did something to help remove the bumped raised area. The spots still exist but not really noticeable when cover up is applied. No swelling, redness after 4 months. I look great, people think I look like I'm in my 40's at age 60,which I just turned this week. I would encourage anyone who is considering facial plastic surgery, not noes surgery to make an appointment with Dr. Wulc, out of Plymouth Meeting, PA. You won't be disappointed as he has great credentials, teaches at a local University and is a really nice. He and his staff are committed to offer you the best outcome, he is a perfectionist, artist as well. His staff is unsurpassed in making sure your caring for your new face correctly following surgery or laser of your face or eyes. You will never feel ignored from the time you have your surgery till the point you are finished with follow-up appointments which are consistent for several months. They give you products to do this for months. You can purchase them their however no high pressure to do so. You will have to wait a bit to see him even with an appointment but people love him so sometimes you have to wait for the best in life, he is well worth it. New pictures will come soon, camera is not working..
June 27, 2014
Thanks for all the info! I'll make an appt for a consult with him. Did you have fat implanted? Or any fat repositioned?
UPDATED FROM ktorn
6 months post

New pictures from Ktorn in 8/5/2014 after Erbium laser by Sciton,laser performed in Februrary 2014

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Review these pictures post Sciton Dual Erbium laser from Ktorn judge for yourself how great I look.

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September 16, 2014
My last pictures are pictures taken 6 months after I had the full face Erbium laser,done in February 2014, taken in late August 2014. I will tell anyone considering full face laser for wrinkles on the face and upper lip,it really works and last. I have a minor slight few lines coming back on my upper lip but not really that noticeable. I also must tell others thinking that Full face Erbium laser will not correct for head wrinkles that much, not sure but I was told this. The doctor also said around the eyes would need additional help either eye lid lifts or injections since they can't get to close to the lids. The areas in between the the eyes will also have some wrinkles,so injectable fillers might have to be done. I had lower lid lift and and eyebrow lift to open my eyes correcting some upper and lower lid wrinkles. My point to all considering wrinkles facial,lip correction keep in mind as we age above 50 there are wrinkles all over that most lasers that I've researched don't correct some areas,other procedures will be needed to obtain the desired effects you might want. The cost goes up with each procedure, but in my opinion I'm 60 years of age and people tell me I look like I'm in my 40's now so when I'm 70 I'll consider laser again probably nothing else. I feel I'll always look younger and more naturally aging than with a facelift which is just pulling and cutting. Most facelifts require many other procedures as well and you loose fullness in your face. A face lift alone is far more expensive than full face laser, unfortunately it's the anesthesia and OR room process that runs up the surgery tab..
September 30, 2014
You look fantastic! Ive just had it done! I'm on day 8. How long was it before you seen the full results pls?
October 1, 2014
Thank-You for the compliment. Did you use my doctor,Dr. Wulc in Plymouth Meeting PA.? If you had the dual Erbium laser by Sciton and used my doctor, laser takes about 2 weeks to see dramatic results and swelling to go down.You can go out on day 8 or 9, I was told. You should look pretty good however in several weeks you will see the true transition of a new face and almost no wrinkles. My neck needs to have some work done, but not for some time as these procedures cost quite a bit. Good luck and enjoy the new you.
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January 6, 2015
ktorn and never4get, I'd love to continue chatting with both of you about our facial issues and Dr. Wulc's help. I have been his patient off and on since 2012 with all great results. Have had only injectables so far by him and Debbie. Need surgery soon.
October 12, 2014
I don't know if you are still reading your posts but I will go and see your Dr Wulc. I live near Philly and have been looking for a Doctor. It is so scary reading all the horror stories about lasers but I am not giving up yet and so I will do another consult. You Look beautiful!
October 13, 2014
Thank-you and I'm sure you will see that he is highly educated and experienced as I did. Do research extensively on any Plastic surgeon and the types of procedures your having. I did on Dr. Wulc for over a year. I looked up any sanctions, all testimonials, facebook reviews. I would only choose a doctor who only does face procedures and the laser that i really needed. The many types of lasers for severe wrinkles can be somewhat beneficial however keep in mind the plastic surgeon either leased it or bought it and will try to use it whenever he can. I have had several consultations and a few other laser type procedures that really were a big waste of money, didn't do much to correct the deep wrinkles. The lip wrinkles are really hard to remove. I still have slight ones in spite of the extensive procedures he did on them. I have had many people telling me now as of 10/11/2014 that i look like I'm in my late 40's. I do feel the money was well worth it and 8 months later I still feel that way. Good luck and if you decide to use Dr. Wulc or see him soon tell him we talked on Real self,he and I are friendly following my procedure and keep in touch occasionally. I want him to know I do support him as an excellent doctor and do recommend him. He knows I'm on here trying to help other women, it's a really big decision so i try to help if I can.
October 15, 2014
You look so pretty! Do you have a closeup picture of the lip area? (After laser treatment)
October 15, 2014
I don't sorry,it's very difficult since my camera doesn't take close ups well at all,I was able to get it with a friends camera and I'm working can't connect with this person,sorry. My lip still looks pretty good a few small lines erupting again,but not as bad as it was and had been. I am going to tell you these are very hard to correct and at some point I will need to do something again probably in a year. I will probably do filler of some type since laser will correct all lasers except maybe two the erbium and Co2 do correct them to some degree the best. The problem is the mouth is moving all the time, collagen depletes over time,differently from person to person. There are other factors that play a role in lip wrinkles,smoking,drinking from a straw, puckering aging. I'm 60 years old and just aging will cause them to come back. So I will have to continue to work on this problem. My face looks great and I'll stay out of the sun as far as sun bathing,only use a very high block. The pictures of me are the same as what you've seen very little difference. That's all I can tell you for now.
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October 31, 2014
Wow you look fantastic.