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So Far, So Good - Charlotte, NC

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I noticed a tiny blurb on my year-end benefits...

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WORTH IT$5,000
I noticed a tiny blurb on my year-end benefits sheet in 2013 that my company's adult orthodontia coverage was going to disappear! Still fairly new to this company, I immediately reached out to benefits to find out if there was any way I could get my coverage on the books by year-end 2013, and was told that as long as I started a procedure - I'd be grandfathered. Having noticed some fairly typical middle-aged "crowding" going on the past 2 years, and never having worn braces in my life, I went right out and found a local orthodontist on my plan. I had my evaluation around Thanksgiving and was told that I was a candidate for Clear & Correct (I had already decided I wanted some version of clear trays). I had to pay for the impressions out-of-pocket (my FSA having already been used up), so in December I'd saved the money to do that. I got the actual Phase 0 trays in January - within the time frame of 6 weeks, which I'd originally been told. Actually, I think that they arrived in the orthodontists office BEFORE 6 weeks, but with the holidays, they hadn't called me to come in earlier. In any event, here we are in September, and I'm on 3B. I wear each set for 3 weeks and am given 2 sets at a time, which means I see the orthodontist every 6 weeks. The trays have always been ready on time. They have always fit - with two caveats. The tech had a hard time making my initial impressions. She had to do it twice - and it was never "perfect", although the orthodontist signed off on it. The result is that my upper tray does not fit over my back molar on one side. It stops sort of halfway on that tooth. I've discussed this numerous times with the ortho who said that all the action was happening on the other side of my mouth so that he thought it'd have no effect. We shall see whether I end up having to have impressions made again - and I understand his not wanting to because that's then money out of HIS pocket. My insurance company has paid what they'll pay; and my payments are now split into monthlies which I can charge off on my FSA. The total fee was agreed up front. The only other issue that I've had is that, at some point, the trays no longer fit my lower jaw so perfectly - perhaps the teeth moving? In any event, with a slight "gap" on that side between the plastic and the gum, I was feeling the sharp edge. Rather than do new impressions, though, the office does the filing for me so that the edge is smooth and doesn't cut my tongue. This "gap" is really minimal - maybe 1/16" - but you CAN feel it with your tongue. I can see definite improvement and movement on both upper and lower. I had the "dots" added earlier in the summer, and they are not obtrusive and have stayed in place. I think time will tell whether the fact that on one side of the upper it's not "hooked" over my back molar is going to make any difference or not. I've brought it up about 3 times now - and the ortho says, "Eventually we may have to take new impressions." I've also had the "polishing" (i.e., filing) done between a couple of teeth on one occasion - and may do that once again next visit or two. Overall, I'm pleased - other than the incomplete upper tray- which, he is the pro and may be right perhaps has zero effect. When the tray edge got sharp, though - it was his staff, not the doctor who really made a PR boo boo. When I called to report that my tongue had been cut - the front desk told me *I* could file, blah blah. No - and I said, "For $5K, these things should be adjusted by your office or the manufacturer - not by me with a nail file." And - the doctor must've picked up on my response, because the tech always takes care of that for me on my 6-weeks visits - without me asking a thing. So sometimes, I think the communications problems are not so much with the doctor, and not so much with the manufacturer - but with staff who frankly don't know better. As patients we have to learn how to differentiate and figure out exactly where the "problem" lies - and how to nip it in the bud. Like me just saying, "No - I'm not going to do that. You are."

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September 11, 2014
Hi, and welcome to the community! :)  I did clear aligners too (Invisalign) and from experience and reading many, many reviews on here, I can say that a lot of the stuff you're experiencing is pretty normal.  My trays didn't go all the way back on my last molars, but it made no difference in my treatment, so I hope the same happens for you :D.  

I think it's nice that you're assertive enough to tell them to file your trays.  I think a lot of people avoid confrontation, especially in doctors' offices, and so they'd rather do it at home than have to potentially annoy the staff.  The filing thing may become less important as you go along, since your mouth tends to kind of toughen up.  

It's good that your engagers are managing to stay on!  Most people don't have problems with those, but it's annoying when they come off (I lost one at least once:)).

Are you going to post pictures so we can follow your progress?  Thank you for sharing your story, and I hope to follow you!
September 12, 2014
I don't consider that confrontational. It' s an assertion of my rights to a service I've paid for. They are service providers. I'm the consumer of the services, not their co-worker. And nobody can walk over you unless you lie down like a doormat. It's productive, therefore, to clarify the division of labor. You provide me with good comfortable dental trays and I keep them clean and wear them 22 hrs/day. That's the deal I contracted.
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September 12, 2014
Exactly!  Some people are worried about calling their ortho/dentist when they're having problems.  I try to remind them that they've paid for this service--the doctors are there to help them.  It's not like they're calling their private residences.  Sometimes the culture enforces having doctors on pedestals and making patients feel inferior.  We definitely need to combat that.  Hopefully you will provide an example to others that will remind them!
September 12, 2014
And in this case, I never had any problem with the doctor. This was the response of front desk staff - who, let's face it, aren't PR specialists! But, in one way are - as the "first face & voice" of any private practice - whether a lawyer, doctor, etc. At another doctor's office, I had a staff member dig her heels in that they did not accept "Blue Cross & Blue Shield of CA" - despite my protestations that's the contracting org, bec my company is headquartered in California, but you just file locally right HERE. So I called Blue Cross & Blue Shield while I was standing there - and told them they should remove this doctor's name from their list of approved providers because someone in his office had decided they didn't really want to do it. And he came flying out when he heard that - but I went to another doctor anyway, because if the doctor hires foolish staff, and they are his "front face" - it just doesn't reflect well. So maybe rather than "confrontational" - let's call me a stickler. And - I happen to work in a type of "enforcement" anyway, so that shoe totally fits! All I know is, if you are paying $5K for a SERVICE, you'd better darned well get minimal, basic good service. And I do on these sharp dental tray edges. The filing for me is minimal and basic - and good!
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September 12, 2014
LOL about that doctor's office and the Blue Cross & Blue Shield.  Wish I could've seen that!
September 12, 2014
The thing is I was in a new city and shopping around for a new internist. It's a major city, so there was competition - and I didn't have to settle for less than cooperative staff. Had I really cared, I guess I might've written him a follow up letter telling him WHY he didn't get me as a new patient; but then, I wasn't hired as their management consultant! It does highlight, though, that professionals, if they are sole practitioners, also have to be "business people" and managers - and be sure that their staff is trained in some common sense. I'm still thinking about that ortho's front desk saying, when I called, "YOU can get some braces wax; YOU can file with a nail file." ["It's not my job, man."] And how quickly, "Yeah, I don't think so" flew right out of my mouth! That's called push back.
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September 15, 2014
Makes sense, about having business sense.  My chiropractor knew he was a bad businessman (bet a fantastic chiropractor) so he left the business to take a job working for someone else.  You have to be a good manager as well as a good practitioner, or be good at hiring a manager!
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10 months post

Progress Report

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On my last visit to the ortho, I was able to see on the screen that I am half-way through my process - 9/18 months. I had never gotten a clear answer on how long this was going to take! So, I'm glad to know. There has been a significant "gap" created between one of my eye teeth and a big front tooth, and I asked when/whether that side of my mouth was going to be "shifted". The doctor told me that with recent changes to the reports Clear & Correct sends, they are briefer (I think, checking the website they are being called "Green" - but it only means shorter and less in-depth) so he was going to go on line and see what my "path" is to be able to answer the question next time. He did a tiny bit more filing/polishing between a couple of teeth - that's been done twice now. My "dots" have stayed on just fine. So I followed up with my routine semi-annual dental cleaning & exam. All is good. Looking back through 9 months of tray aligners, I can see definite change - more so when I look from the top down. The two most troublesome teeth (one front tooth trying to overlap the other) and one of the four front bottom teeth (which is receded or pushed "back" from the others) are still not 100% corrected - but definitely improved. And all the shifting around of the other teeth is to make space for the final push to put those in line. In fact, I would say that from the front view - the "defects" are now hardly noticeable. It's only looking from the top down that you can see the one top tooth is still lapping over a little bit and the other bottom tooth is pushed back a little bit. So I remain a happy camper who has no complaints about either the product or my service through my provider.

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September 30, 2014
Congratulations on being halfway!  Do you still have all of your aligners?  I'm wondering if you can put like the first aligner next to the latest and show us the progress that way?
September 30, 2014
Yes, I've kept them all - but I am not sure whether they would photograph so clearly. When I have some time I'll give it a try against a dark surface.
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October 1, 2014
jbranchfield managed to get some pretty good pictures.  You can see them on her 28 Aug 2014 update at her review if you'd like :).  It may be a lighting thing.  I got an okay pic of one holding it up, but I've never tried a side-by-side shot.  I hope it works! :)  I'm excited to see your progress :).