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Hi all, My name is Chad, and I'm a 22-year-old...

Welsh Chad
Hi all,

My name is Chad, and I'm a 22-year-old from Cardiff, Wales, UK.

I've been going through laser tattoo removal for almost a year now, and I've gotten a lot of comfort from following your stories on here. In return, I now feel it's time to share my own story.

I have two tattoos; one is my daughter's name, Lexie, and the other is a horrendous star tattoo that goes up my right arm. I got these tattoos within two months of each other at the end of 2011.

After having my daughter's name tattooed on me, which I loved, I rushed into getting another tattoo. This time, it was five star outlines that got bigger as you went up my arm. Looking at the photo, I cannot believe how disgusting it actually was, and I can't understand why I wanted something so terrible in the first place (but we all say that of course.) When I got married a few months later and saw photos of myself topless on my honeymoon, it was then I realised how bad the tattoo actually was. It was time to get rid of it!

I contacted a nearby laser clinic who quoted me £65 per session with their Q-switched YAG laser (is that right?). So, since last October I've been going there every 6 weeks. At first, I saw a real difference, but after the third session or so the results became very poor and There was very little difference, even for a black tattoo which supposedly responds best. On one occasion, I even asked them to turn up the 'oomph' as I just wasn't satisfied with the results. The two women who operated the laser seemed to rush and would always chat about other things that were totally irrelevant. Additionally, the laser clinic was actually part of a dentist, so I don't think laser was their speciality. Altogether I had 7 sessions at this clinic.

A few weeks later my wife very honestly told me that she thought I was being ripped off as nothing was happening after each treatment. I agreed straight away. After that, I contacted some other clinics and came across a very reputable one which had been open since 1988 (as opposed to a year or so at the other place!!). I went for a consultation and was quoted £80 per treatment to remove the stars, a little more than I was paying before. Each treatment was 4 weeks apart.

I was REALLY excited about this place - their laser, the Harmony XLI, is the only one here in Wales, and has won the gold aesthetic award for the last three years. Great!

So, I turned up for my first appointment recently and they were so much more professional and friendly compared to the other place. I even got a free cuppa! The faded photo above was how my tattoo looked just before my first treatment here. Unfortunately I haven't been taking photos after each treatment, but I will from now on.

There were even more surprises about this place; turns out, the other clinic were doing almost everything wrong. Firstly, my session at this new clinic was around 20 minutes long, compared to five minutes. Secondly, they would sometimes change the attachment on the end of the laser if they didn't think the light was penetrating enough which I thought was really good. And thirdly, they put a bandage on me (which I'd never had before), and when I asked for the aloe Vera gel they were horrified to hear that I'd been using that stuff. Apparently the tattoo must stay DRY. Yeah, this was a real eye opener.

At the end of the session I also mentioned - and bare with me here - that I want the tattoo of my daughter's name removed too. I know, I know. I can picture your face. It's not because we hate each other or anything, she's only 2-years-old! Basically, the tattoo (photo attached) takes up half my forearm and, well, we recently found out we're having another baby girl, due in January! Of course, I'd have to be fair to the other baby and have her name tattooed on my other arm. BUT, I really don't want that - two bulky black tattoos on each of my arms.

Instead, I've promised my daughter (and wife) that I'll get a much smaller, more sensible tattoo on the inside of my left bicep. That way, it's small and hidden away all the time.

The clinic was kind enough to do a test patch on this tattoo and I was amazed to see the ink completely disappear (photo attached).That's one impressive laser! I can't afford to have treatment on both tattoos at the same time, so I'll definitely be removing this after my stars are gone. I think it will be a much more positive journey that time, as it's not a tattoo I'm ashamed and embarrassed of. Very much excited to start treatment on it!

Apologies for the very lengthy story, but it's so reassuring to read all your stories on here and see frequent updates. I promise to do the same! You guys are all so supportive of each other. Here's to complete removal!

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September 6, 2013
Hi mate, gotta say them stars have faded massively! And as for the test patch for your daughters name (which I can totally understand about having it removed to have it smaller) the ink is practically gone!, ive got my first treatment on a partially finished half sleeve with the picosure laser on the 21st September and seeing your results so far is giving me faith :) Oh and congratulations on the new baby girl!
September 6, 2013
Hi Jake, Thanks! I still can't believe I chose to have such an awful design. What's with the thickness on those top stars!? Good luck with your first treatment! I'd be really interested to see your results with that particular laser. :) Hopefully you'll have some real good results after your first session. Keep us updated!
September 6, 2013
Hi Jake, Thanks! I still can't believe I chose to have such an awful design. What's with the thickness on those top stars!? Good luck with your first treatment! I'd be really interested to see your results with that particular laser. :) Hopefully you'll have some real good results after your first session. Keep us updated!
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September 7, 2013
Its not an awful design bro! Plus with the amount of fading that youve had it can be long untill they have completely disappeared!, I read somewhere that tattoos continue to fade for like another year+ post the last treatment!
September 7, 2013
I never knew about the fading afterwards, that's pretty awesome! I bet your tattoo will be gone before mine with your picosure laser though. Very jealous. :) I don't think they have one here in Wales, although the harmony XL (which I'm using) is apparently very effective. We shall see...
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September 7, 2013
Dang my bad I meant *cant be long till they have disappeared completely!!! Wow made myself sound like a right melon!
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September 7, 2013
Dont be jealous man the laser your having seems to be smashing through your tatt like magic! How long do your laser sessions take mate?
September 7, 2013
It's cool - I knew what you meant :P
September 7, 2013
I've only had one treatment with my new laser (harmony XL), and I had 7 with a q-switched YAG. Personally though, I think there has been a big difference since my first session with the harmony. Can't wait to see how it changes after the next treatment. I bet your laser will power through your tattoo though!
September 7, 2013
Sorry - I forgot to actually answer your question. My session with the harmony took about 20 mins, where as the last clinic used to rush it like mad and it took about 5 minutes. Bit of a difference really.
September 6, 2013
Don't feel bad about removing your daughters name! I would like to have 3 tattoos removed eventually and one of them is my two sons names in my right ankle. I got them added at different times and they don't match at all. Plus we are trying for a third baby and I just don't want tattoos on either of my ankles at all! Good luck with your removals!
September 6, 2013
Hi Mom. :) It's hard to not feel a little guilty about removing my daughter's name, but it's just ink I guess! I'm sure she will understand. I know what you mean about the ankle thing; my wife has our daughter's name on her ankle and she says she wishes she had done it differently. Tattoo mistakes obviously run in our family lol. Best of luck getting those removed when you decide to. :)
September 29, 2013
Hi, are you removing that tribal on your lower back? I have on almost the same size.
September 29, 2013
I want to. I hate it SO much!! But I haven't begun the process yet.
September 6, 2013
Hi Mom. :) It's hard to not feel a little guilty about removing my daughter's name, but it's just ink I guess! I'm sure she will understand. I know what you mean about the ankle thing; my wife has our daughter's name on her ankle and she says she wishes she had done it differently. Tattoo mistakes obviously run in our family lol. Best of luck getting those removed when you decide to. :)
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September 7, 2013
Hi Chad, welcome along, you'll get some great support here. It's evident from your photos that you've had some great fading of those stars already. One thing I've noticed is that your black ink seems to have faded down to a brownish colour. I've had a couple of treatments and mine is beginning to do the same. Has you laser technician (current or previous one) mentioned why this might be and how they intend to tackle it? Cheers bud.
September 7, 2013
Hey wilks, thanks for the welcome! You've had some amazing fading considering you've only had one treatment! I've never really thought about the brownish colour to tell the truth; I can only guess that there's just a tiny bit of of ink left there? I'm not sure if it's hyper pigmentation - I'm naturally quite pale as I suffer with ulcerative colitis (similar to Crohn's). My arm is slightly more tanned where the two bottom stars are as they are always on show and are exposed to sunlight. However, I've just had a close look at my arm and all five stars have that brownish colour. I have my next session in less than 2 weeks, so I'll see what the technician says and get back to you. :) I don't think it's anything to worry about though!
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September 7, 2013
Thank you. There's a few other people on here who seem to experience / be experiencing the same thing with regards to the brown. I've heard that it could just be the way in which some black inks break down (which I hope is the case). Tattoo removal is certainly one of life's harsh lessons don't you think? I'd do anything to be able to go back and have left well alone. I'm still at the early stages of removal so the regret is still pretty raw at the moment. Do you get any down days at all? (Sorry to sound like a miserable sod!)
September 7, 2013
No sweat - I signed up to this so that I could talk to people going through the same thing. :) it's great to know I'm not the only one. I would definitely turn back the clock if I could, but I just keep telling myself "What's done is done", and that it can be reversed. It's taking a little longer than I had expected but they will both be gone, and my god I will be celebrating when it's all over. I do have down days. In fact I have more down than up days. At the end of my bed is a big mirrored wardrobe so it's the very first thing I see in the morning, and it instantly ruins my day. It does get easier though; when you start seeing patches of your skin you finally realise that it is slowly disappearing. I find myself obsessively looking at my arm every hour. I try not to do this when I'm in a dimly lit room because it appears so much darker, but when I'm outside you can see that it's faded a lot - that must sound really stupid. I think I will be much more relaxed when it comes to removing my next tattoo because it isn't a bad tattoo, so my main priority is getting rid of these friggin stars. You're probably right about the brownish colour by the way. The technician at the second clinic didnt seem concerned about anything. The only thing she said was that the stars still have their full shape, which they should no longer have. Just goes to show how bad that last clinic was. It's impossible not to have down days really, but remember that it's only temporary!
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September 7, 2013
I know exactly what you mean about the morning thing - as soon as I get up and head in to the bathroom for a shower I have no choice but to look at it, the gloominess then reigns down and sticks around for the rest of the day. I'm also the same with the checking thing - ill be at work and feel the need to have a look at least once or twice, as if its going to be looking any different than it did in the morning! Without exaggeration it's probably on my mind about 80% of the day at the moment. I've stopped wearing t-shirts unless I'm going to the gym, which I really miss. I find myself getting jealous when I see people walking around in tshirts and tattoo free - ridiculous! Even now sitting hear heading to the gym shortly and I can feel myself actively trying not to look down and see it. What a mess!
September 7, 2013
It's always on my mind too, it's absolutely draining and I'm so tired at the end of each day. I sit at a desk in work and the girl on the desk next to me must think I'm crazy with how much I look at my arm. I've heard a lot of people say "Just embrace it for now" but I don't think I will ever learn to like it again! I have a lot of those t-shirts where the sleeves are rolled right up, but I refuse to wear them now. On my way to work, I'll wear a hoody no matter what the weather is like that day. I work out too, but only at home. I get free access to a very fancy gym next door to my work but I find the place quite intimidating. I'd maybe go to a gym one day but definitely not with these on my arms! Seems we're in exactly the same boat buddy.
September 7, 2013
By the way, the photo where my stars have just been done; I had just recovered from a six-month-long illness so I lost a load of weight and I was white as a sheet. :( in case you were thinking "he's too skinny to lift a feather" haha :p
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September 7, 2013
No mate I'd never pass judgement from a couple of photos. I've hardly been to the gym at all this summer owing the heat and just general loss of motivation because of this issue. I'm determined to get back on it though. I've gotten a little doughy since I've been slacking! I've got a consultation at a different place on Monday. I'm keen to get their opinion on things. Like you I question the care that I've been receiving at the other place. They have a good reputation and the place is very clean, modern and with up to date gear, however, like you mentioned it seems a little rushed. Minimal aftercare guidance. I anticipate this other place will be a little more costly but ill determine on Monday if feel a switch would be good. I'm getting married in May so my attention really should be ok other things right now, it's just tough!
September 7, 2013
It's been a real scorcher. I only have a window to open in my bedroom so it's unbearable at times. Congrats on the wedding. Don't let it spoil your day or you will regret that as well. You get what you pay for really. Be sure to do a ton of research on the laser and look online for reviews of the clinic. I was really impressed at this new place how much care and attention they took to make sure the ink was reacting. I definitely didn't get that in the other place, just a sore arm. May is a while off so you never know it may be gone by then - fingers crossed!
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September 7, 2013
Yeah I'm beginning to realise that the type of laser is massively important. There's a chap on here called Jake who is about to undertake treatment using the picosure laser on an all black half sleeve later this month. I'm really keen to so how he gets on (although I have no chance in being able to afford it!) You should check out his review, he's a cool guy. I think his username is jakejd94 or something like that.
September 7, 2013
He was first to post on my review. I'm also really interested to see the results, but I'll never be able to afford that either. He's one to watch.
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September 10, 2013
Man it's a good thing I can't see mine because that is all I would do is keep checking it! As it is now I make my husband take pictures so I can obsess over them!! LOL. :)
UPDATED FROM Welsh Chad

Laser distance from tattoo?

Welsh Chad
Hi all, hope you're having a great week so far.

So I've been doing some research about the laser I am currently having treatment with (Harmony XL), and I've just stumbled across a video of it in use. In the video, the technician is practically pressing the laser against someone's arm and moving it slowly along.

In my treatments so far, I have always had the laser approx 2-3 cms from my arm.

I wondered if any of you have your laser pressed up against your tattoos and if you think this has any benefit? I'm going to ask my technician about it when I go for my next session in nine days (whose counting?)

Thanks

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September 10, 2013
Hi Welsh, during my treatments the laser never touches my skin. That's interesting you seen that, I wonder why that is? Let us know what your tech says. Good luck! B11
September 10, 2013
I will certainly let you know. :)
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September 10, 2013
Hi welsh! I'm sorry you had to go through a few ineffective treatments but I am glad you switched to a more experienced provider! Surely you will start to see some better fading now! I love your daughters name! My youngest is Alexis and she goes by Lexi a lot of the time. :) it does make sense to have it removed and have it redone in a smaller more inconspicuous place! Congratulations on your 2 yr old and the new addition on the way! Exciting times for you!! I look forward to reading more of your Updates and seeing progress of your removal!
September 10, 2013
Thanks Michelle! It's a lovely name and so is your daughter's. :) I think two big forearm tattoos will look very tacky so I'd rather have something smaller and less visible. I'm hoping for just a few more treatments on the stars now! The results on your tattoo are incredible by the way!
September 15, 2013
Hi . Did you check with your doctor about having the treatment with having ulcerative colitis . Ive got to see my doctor for a note as the clinics wont start without one saying its safe and im worried what he he say
UPDATED FROM Welsh Chad

9th session down

Welsh Chad
Hi all. Hope you're enjoying the weekend so far. It's raining and cold here so I'm staying inside in the warm today!

So I had my 9th session on Thursday. It wasn't much different to my last, but they seemed sure that the tattoo had faded since my previous session - which is good!

In my last post on here I mentioned that I had seen a video online where a technician is moving the laser along the skin (touching it), so I asked them about this. My technician was very honest; she said it's quite hard to explain, but when someone first starts tattoo removal, they will sometimes start with the laser on the skin. As the tattoo becomes lighter, it actually becomes more effective to move the laser away from the skin as it somehow picks it up better. She showed me what she meant by placing the laser right on my skin. The laser was really quiet and nothing was really happening. So, if your technician is placing the laser right against you and you're not seeing great results, then this may be why.

Oh and apologies to wilks - I promised I would also ask about the brownish colour but forgot! I will remember next time. Honest.

When I came out, I asked if they had heard of picosure and the R20 method. They hadn't heard of either before, so I showed them this website and pointed out a few reviews of people having picosure. Unsurprisingly, they were shocked at the price.

It seems I stirred a bit of a debate about the R20 method; some of them were horrified at the thought of having more than one session within an hour, where as others said they would actually be willing to try it. Turns out, they've contacted their laser company to see if this is something they could do. I would definitely be willing!

Anyway, I've attached some photos since the treatment. I've been told to keep the tattoo DRY for 48 hours so I'm unable to clean it yet, hence why it looks like it could do with a wash!

I'll post another photo when it's looking less red.

Hope you're all doing well with your removals.

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September 21, 2013
Thanks for your update! Hope your healing is going well, I completed session 9 last weekend.
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September 21, 2013
Hello bud. No worries about not asking about the brownness, I'm hopefully gonna get the opinion of a skin expert at my treatment on the 4th October. Now that you've had quite a few treatments are you finding that the laser is 'snapping' less against the skin? Does it seem that it's having a bit more of a difficult time picking the ink up? It's a real pain that picosure is so new and expensive over here. I reckon one treatment with the picosure laser would probably almost see the rest of yours away. It's just so, so expensive!
September 21, 2013
Hey mate! The laser I'm having now is a lot less painful than the other laser I used before, but I think the fading has been much better already. Less pain, more results it would seem. I wish I could try picosure but it's just way too much, plus the nearest laser is about a five-hour drive from here anyway! I'm really hoping the stars will be gone just before/after Christmas so I can get started on my other tattoo. How is your tattoo healing now?
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September 22, 2013
Ah that's good to hear mate. Have you booked your next one in? Mine is fully healed (or so it appears) from the last one. My 2nd treatment is 4th October so not long now. I'm hoping to see a lot more dark ink disappear and hoping he can do something with the brown areas. Hate them!!
September 22, 2013
Next one is booked for 14th October. I had to bring it forward slightly this time. Hope you continue to see good results mate. :)
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September 22, 2013

Glad to hear you are all healed up! Let us know what they say about the brown areas.

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September 23, 2013
I'd like to comment on the R20 technique, that's what I've been having since March of this year (2013) after having two single sessions.  I'm at the clinic for quite some time.  I have one session and then wait, at least 45 minutes or more, until the white residue that forms after the lasering reacts with the ink subsides.  You can't do it before then.  The intensity is quite low, set at 5.5 at the highest.  I've had three R20 sessions and the best fading has been with 1) durations between R20 sessions being at least two months and 2) significantly low settings.  This is hard to believe, but I guess it is what is working for me.  It would depend on the area of the body where the ink is place.  Mine is on the hand and wrist which can be difficult to remove, not much circulation there.  One of the reasons why I book a lymphatic massage after healing, to help with the circulation.  The R20 is helpful but of course not for everyone and the technician has to be educated in it from the laser company not a support group website such as this (no offense to the website organizers and community but this site is for helping us with ink regret not educating technicians).  The same goes with the Picosure, it's a great new technology but again I'd want to go to someone who knows what they are doing and has been educated by the company.  I know there are people here that say you should do this and you should do that, but trust your technicians.  They are the ones with training and the education, you can always bring things up as suggestions. One of the best pieces of advice that I've been given is to be patient and to stay positive.  I keep repeating that because at times it's hard to be those, but removal takes time and it's hard to persevere.  My ink is looking all weird, pieces are gone, some are faded to a light grey and then there's spots where it's just...well plain weird.  It all takes time.  It's like eating cake, it's wonderful to eat (just like we were all excited with getting the ink) but now the weight is piled on and we're dieting and exercising to lose those added pounds and it takes time.  Just like removal takes time.  But I'm worth it and so are you.  Good luck with your fading.  aloha...k
September 23, 2013
Hi k, some really interesting points here. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. As long as the R20 method was effective I would definitely give it a go. I'll have to show your comments to my technician and see what they think (they hadn't heard of it until I had mentioned it). Wouldn't it be great it they started doing this? My tattoo is also looking very weird now. Some points are a lift grey, some are almost gone and some are gone completely. I'm finding it easier to cope with the lighter it gets!
September 23, 2013
I meant to say "some parts are a light grey" - damn you autocorrect.
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September 24, 2013

I like your analogy of the treatment! I am so glad the R20 treatment is successful for you!

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September 24, 2013

Ha ha ha...good ol auto correct!

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September 25, 2013
Yes, I'm finding it easier to cope with mine now that it looks all old and faded.  There are parts that have disappeared altogether, small but I know where they are and can point them out to my husband.  I am so glad also that my tattoo is being lasered away.  It's tough sometimes to stay positive.  I had a few compliments yesterday on my tattoo, one of my professors just noticed it!  I don't share with many that I'm lasering it off.  Wouldn't be nice to hear them say a compliment and then say "oh yeah, it's being lasered off".  Kinda like yeah thanks for the compliment, but it's stupid and you're stupid for liking it.  That's definitely not living positive and full of aloha.  I have some new tiny iridescent bead bracelets, very lovely and a wonderful distraction.  Now I wouldn't suggest small iridescent beads for a young strapping Welsh lad like yourself, but I will say distractions are wonderful.  Good luck and as I say "fade away, fade away"...aloha...k
September 24, 2013
Thank you for the update! Your stars were VERY dark however the fading is incredible! Not long, and the ink will be gone!! I also get the brown tint, and have been told by many that this is temporary and will fade. Keep your chin up and come to this site when you are feeling down. It always helps me. :)
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September 24, 2013

It's pretty incredible what the laser can do!

September 25, 2013
No problem April! I think the flash on the photo makes them look a lot darker than they actually were, but it was definitely a dark tattoo regardless. Hope your fading is going just as well!
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September 26, 2013

I'm so glad to hear that you find comfort on this site! That's awesome!!!

September 26, 2013
Its a fantastic site Eva, I'm so glad I found it!
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September 27, 2013

 Awesome, so glad to hear that Welsh Chad, what a great supportive community, so proud!