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Tattoo Removal - Cardiff, Wales

UPDATED FROM Welsh Chad

Pinpoint bleeding - does this mean anything?

Welsh Chad
I've been monitoring my progress carefully for the last two and a half weeks. The fading happens over time so there isn't any noticeable difference yet. However, one area has caught my eye, and it's on the top star where we used the 4mm spot size and had pinpoint bleeding afterwards.

Due to the settings used, there is a lot of superficial redness and I am sure that this will clear in a few weeks or months. What I've noticed on though is that there has (hopefully) been excellent fading underneath. I was debating posting about this as I have made a few predictions in the past which have later been wrong, so this could again be one of them - sorry!

Anyway, I've attached a photo, and you can see that things are still quite red. On the areas with the arrows (particularly on the right-hand side) the redness is more of a pink colour, so it looks like there's little to nothing left underneath.

I won't know for sure what's going on until this redness heals, and thankfully it's just post-treatment redness and not anything chronic, but what I'm really hoping for is just one little gap in the star, which would mean that an area has finally broken up.

If my prediction is correct, then this leads me to wonder if pinpoint bleeding is actually what I need? I've never had pinpoint bleeding before and for ages I've thought that my ink is just very deep down. Could it be that I need a more brutal session to break up this resistant ink? Should I go for the 4mm all over next time with high power? It'll be really sore afterwards!

Has anyone had good results after pinpoint bleeding? It would be great if these areas faded even more over the next few months and cleared completely.

I'm still taking the lymphatic thing seriously. I have now added a mini trampoline and milk thistle to my daily routine. There's not a lot more I can do!

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February 1, 2015
Hi Chad. The king of pinpoint bleeding is wilks, but if you look at his results he's doing really well. The different between his 5 & 7 treatments are so noticeable and looks like he's escaped any scarring. Maybe some ink comes out with the bleeding???? The Picoway video says it can generate 10 times the power it takes to light up Paris in a 5mm spot size so if brutal is what you need your in good hands. Best to check with your Tech on your next session tho. Happy fading. Jez
February 1, 2015
Hi Jez, how are you? Me and wilks talk almost every day so we know each other's removals inside out really. He is doing very well indeed. At this rate I will definitely be going for the 'no pain no gain' approach at my next session. Let's see what's lurking underneath this redness and then take it from there I guess. If parts have cleared then it would mean that I finally hold the key (setting) to put an end to my misery. Hope you're well.
February 1, 2015
Hey Chad. Im good thanks. Hopefully had a break through myself with removal. For the past 15 months ive been having treatments at a tattoo shop with a simple desktop laser which i realise isnt the best option but when your removing a full sleeve the luxury of starting with the expensive lasers is well out of budget. Luckily now its faded i've found a clinic by me which has the a Revlite SI and had my test patch done. It means me paying double but hopefully i'll see better results especially on my stubborn red tatts ( all 5 of them ). I'll be watching your posts and have every crossed for you that the skin finally breaks through
February 2, 2015
Thanks Jez. If there's one thing I've learned from this process it's that you truly do get what you pay for. By paying double for the RevLite I am confident that you will see better results, even on the red ink. Fingers crossed for us both!
March 14, 2015
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March 14, 2015
Exactly that - he felt that whilst Realself had been a huge support to him it was perpetuating obsessive thoughts as he was checking it so often and he felt like he needed to leave to try help get his head straight. Unfortunately the Picoway didn't do much for him and so he's looking at his options now, as it seems that the laser has taken him as far as he can go with it.
October 7, 2015
When will we see the return of Chad!?! Hope your well!
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October 12, 2015
Yes, we miss Chad. Sending you best wishes from Hawai'i. aloha...k
August 8, 2016
Do you have any updated photos Chad? Been a long time since you posted, be good for everyone to see how much natural fading has happened in the nearly 1.5 years since the last post
February 15, 2017
Let's be honest: tattoos are useless, nobody will ever notice/care about them (except for the first 2/3 hours) and our CLEAN body is the best thing ever. If I had a "time machine", I'd use it INSTANTLY! "DO NOT INK!" will be the lesson I'll teach to my sons and to anyone in the future.
UPDATED FROM Welsh Chad

How long after laser do you start to see fading?

Welsh Chad
I thought it might be interesting to gather a bunch of answers to this question to help build up some sort of average timeframe.

As we all know, our bodies work to remove unwanted ink for weeks after treatments, but I was curious to know just WHEN you really start to notice a difference? Do you notice a change within the first week after laser or do you find that it takes more time? Weeks? Months?

I appreciate that everyone is different, but would love to hear your own views. :-)

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January 19, 2015
I would say it takes couple of weeks to see the real fading, the results of the treatment. But I think the final result is after about 4 weeks, I would say.
January 20, 2015
Thanks so much for the input Anna!
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January 19, 2015
Well so far i have experienced a little fading right after the initial redness. However i think i continue to see SLOW fading after that. Its been around 4 months since my last treatment, and i still think my tattoo is fading, not day by day, but month by month, slow as it might be. :)
January 20, 2015
Things definitely slow down at the later stages. Thanks for sharing, long time no speak!
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January 20, 2015
Yeah just came home from my travels mate :)
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January 20, 2015
Time flies! :) hope you had amazing time!
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January 21, 2015
Sure did :) the sun wasnt a problem AT ALL, was wearing shorts every day and got lots of tan on it (used sunscreen most of the time, but still)
January 19, 2015
I have had 1 treatment so far, the shading was knocked out right away and continued to fade even now 2 months after the treatment, sadly the lettering didn´t budge at all. After 2 months it looks the same. Having my 2nd treatment in 10 days so we shall see.
January 20, 2015
Thanks for sharing Ela. Hope your dense lines start to fade after this treatment. Patience is key. :-)
January 19, 2015
Good question! I usually see fading starting at 3 weeks, and continuing until 13 weeks.
January 20, 2015
Thanks for the input! It's really important that we don't expect too much fading right after the treatment and that we allow a few weeks for our bodies to get started, especially at the later stages like yourself.
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January 20, 2015

This is a great topic for discussion. I decided to post this in the forum, here is the link - this way you may reach more people. 

UPDATED FROM Welsh Chad

First PicoWay treatment complete

Welsh Chad
I made the long trip to London yesterday and finally had my treatment with the newly released PicoWay, free of charge. As I'm trialling the laser it was also confirmed that I will be receiving more treatments with the laser going forward.

I had quite an audience at the treatment: Dr Maria Gonzalez who performed the treatment, the GM of Syneron-Candela (lovely lady called Michaela) and a lady named Naomi from Maria's PR company who took photos in the case of the treatment being published. A few members of staff at the clinic also observed. I asked if we could film the treatment but the short answer was "It will melt your camera", so I decided it was best if we didn't! Naomi the PR lady could only take photos when the laser wasn't operating.

I know this is all very new stuff so I'll try and be as detailed as I can. I won't pretend that I know all the technical bits as I don't, but what I do know is that we began using the 4mm spot size on the top star which caused pinpoint bleeding, with little pain. This was quite slow and the rhythm was a bit like: zap, lift and move, zap, lift and move, zap. The skin didn't rise much.

Maria then explained how she much prefers the 6mm spot size and so we used that on the next star. This was more painful and much faster; constant zaps while continuously moving the laser. There was no pinpoint bleeding but the tattoo raised A LOT afterwards (much more than in the attached photo as that was taken during treatment). We saw some brilliant frosting and the snaps were nice and loud too.

With the forearm tattoo we simply used the 6mm all over, avoiding the scars. This one did hurt a lot, obviously because there is still quite a bit of ink left to react.

This was basically the treatment in a nutshell. It will be interesting to see which spot size works best! I used no pain relief or cooler during.

The next thing to do is wait, and I'm going to wait about 6-8 weeks before I post my progress. I hope this is ok.

In the meantime I'm going to drink tons of water, lemon water, green tea and keep up the dry skin brushing. I'd really like to see something worthwhile from this.

That's all for now. Happy to answer any questions if I can!

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January 15, 2015
Contract on the first treatment with PicoWay! We all were waiting for this and I will keep my fingers crossed for you! I am impressed how stars faded! Thats amazing! The session seems to be quite painful, but I hope at least it will bring better results! Nice fading and healing!
January 15, 2015
Thanks Anna. I hope we see some real change!
January 15, 2015
EEk. Did you use any numbing agents? I have quite a low pain tolerance level. It's even scarier that you thought it was painful as you've had so many treatments. I thought this was supposed to be painless?!? Haha, I haven't even started and I am freaking out. I think frosting is a good sign! I also did some reading and it seems like 6mm results in a lot of fading (even with traditional Nd:YAG) so fingers crossed, it'll help! If you do see a lot of fading in the coming weeks (enough that you think it's post-worthy, please share though!) How long did the entire treatment last? Thanks for posting. I really do appreciate it since I am going to use this laser in February.
January 15, 2015
Hey! You'll be fine! I'm so used to the feel of it that I didn't bother with pain relief. They had a zimmer cooler which you should be able to use during the treatment if you request it. I was chatting with the GM of Syneron-Candela for a couple of hours before the treatment and she said that numbing cream does in fact create an extra layer for the laser to penetrate, and that it can sometimes hinder its effectiveness. I'd be lying if I said that your treatments aren't going to hurt. The goods new though is that as the ink fades, each treatment becomes easier. I feel absolutely fine having the stars done but the forearm is still quite painful (tolerable though)! If I see any spectacular results I will definitely post them straight away.
January 15, 2015
Thanks! I think I'll definitely go for the numbing cream. I'd probably end up sobbing otherwise. I think an extra treatment or two wouldn't be that awful. I don't deal with pain very well. Good luck with your healing. You definitely deserve an ending to all of this.
January 16, 2015
Thank you. You may find that it isn't as painful as you are expecting. Best of luck with your first treatment! Can't wait to hear!
January 15, 2015
Can´t wait for the results!!!! Yaaaay!! So happy for you :)
January 15, 2015
Thanks Ela! I'm excited too but trying to forget about the tattoo for now. Hopefully it will make time pass quicker. Hope you're well.
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January 16, 2015
It will melt your phone, Chad?!? That's so exciting that you trialed that new laser-- and that the GM herself administered the treatment. It looks like it caused a lot of pinpoint bleeding in those stars but I'm rooting for some superb clearance. Congrats and I'm looking forward to seeing that fading!
January 17, 2015
Hi John. How are you getting on? She seemed confident that it would have broken my camera so I took her word for it! Really hope this is the one! Hope you're well. :-)
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January 22, 2015
I'm doing great, Chad. Thanks for asking! I'm counting down the days till my February 10th treatment. I'm ready for another blast at this pesky ink! Can't wait to see some updated pics. Take care :-)
January 20, 2015
Nice, Chad! Happy healing and be well! Hoping to see the PicoWay in Norway myself (-:
January 21, 2015
It has apparently been in very high demand so hopefully you'll get one near you. Hope you're doing well. :-)