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Affirm for Hyperpigmentation - Major Damage - Canada

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Spent: $1,000 in Canada

Comments (28)

Updated 15 Jan 2010

Posted 11 Jan 2010

Approximately 5 1/2 years ago I had a micro laser peel. Within a year I developed hyperpigmentation. I sought out a treatment to rectify it and the Affirm was suggested to me. I told the DR I did not want anymore lasers and he assured me that the Affirm was safe and different. Well I did 2 treatments and the results were OK and the pigment returned to a more normal color.

The following 2 years I did one treatment each time with only one cross over, as my face I was told got really red. Even the nurse doing the procedure said "you have really thin skin". Well this year I am paying for it! Under my eyes where the goggles were are sinking in. My skin on my cheeks is thin and I have prickly pain travelling down them and around my mouth and chin. I am developing sores and my face does not hold any moisture. I am living in hell. My sweat glands do not work and my face feels like it is on fire.

How can this treatment be legal? The damage may not show up right away.But it will down the road for all who have done this, for that I am sure.I have had 2 Sculptra treatments to help with the fact that my cheeks are sinking in and are crepey. I am or was a very young looking 36 yr old and now I feel life is over.

Unfortunately the Dr I saw did not recommend Obagi or SkinTX instead or I would have done that had I known it was an option.

Updated on Jan 15, 2010:
How can I go about suing???? -- Updated on Jan 15, 2010: I am wondering if anyone else who has had Affirm if terrible symptoms occured a year after last treatment? It feels like something is crawling under my skin and there is absolutely NO MOISTURE in it. It hurts to smile or eat. My skin looks like it had an earthquake under it. Are we the test subjects? Cynosure has to pay for this!

This review is the subjective opinion of a RealSelf member and not of RealSelf, Inc.

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I told the doctor I did not want another laser treatment and he told my that the Affirm was different from all the rest and was safe.....I felt he lied. How can they really know what the long term effects are?

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jazseh 20 Feb 2010
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with the affirm laser. It's very difficult to win a lawsuit again a cosmetic surgeon. I advise you to get a letter from at least two other physicians stating that the doctor who performed the treatment did something medically incorrect, if he/she did. Perhaps you weren't a candidate, etc. Thank you for sharing your experience. I just made up my mind not to do Affirm.
tried but failed 3 Mar 2010
After reading the reviews on here about the long-term damage from Affirm, Fraxel etc I would never have these treatments either. It seems that people get good results initially but then after a year or so the 'real' result is very bad. Thanks so much for sharing your story and for the warning. Greatly appreciated. I hope things get better for you and please keep us posted.
CAgirl 21 Feb 2011
Are there any treatments out there to help restore the skin to its normal texture, or close to it? What about regular co2? If any of you have had corrective procedures, treatments, medication, etc., please advise.
Jane D 1 Jun 2011
Co2 has way more downtime and is much more aggressive. To make a decision on what is the best route to choose, you should see a licensed professional that has alot of experience to make the decision of the best choice for your concerns. Are you looking to get rid of sundamage, or eliminate wrinkles? What is your skin concern?
Chimera 20 Mar 2011
I was considering getting affirm done, and the clinic I was considering has a doctor by that name...not so sure if I want to go now.

It has now been over a year since your last post? Can you give us an update on your skin?
Jacinda 29 Mar 2011
So sorry you're going through this! Thanks for warning the rest of us, I'm def. not gonna get this done after reading yours & others who say that it dries the skin out long term. FYI- you can get Hyaluronic acid supplements with low molecular weight (HA-LMW)so that your skin can absorb it> may help replace some of the HA you seem to have lost. Good luck
Jane D 29 May 2011
This woman should not represent the results that can be achieved by using this amazing equipment. Women with thin skin and especially caucasian women over 35 should not be doing peels in the first place. The peel caused hyperpigmentation because it took precious layers from the surface and exposed the skin. The sun pigmentated it because there was not sufficient post treatment care. 100 sunblock should have been used after for at least a month daily. Triluma should have been used to correct the pigmentated areas. Not sure what settings he used but he may have overtreated her skin, or she was just not a candidate for this treatment with this device. Some people are not good healers and respond differently to treatment. Cynosure in no way shape or form should be blamed! That's ridiculous!! My practice contains 2 of their machines and all of my clients are happy and look beautiful!! Including myself. I'm hairless and have flawless skin, face and body. I'm sorry this happened to you. If you live in New York message me.
melsh73 29 May 2011
I was 30 when I recieved the peel........one peel only. Yes the pigmentation problem was caused by it. Two years later I received the Affirm which helped as it did the next year and the year after I had it performed..........then within months after the last treatment strange things began to occur with my skin. I started to see depressions and lines.....I was only 36 at the time......my moms skin in her sixties is better than mine! Lasers of all sorts are dangerous and should especially not be used to repair damage from another. I had horribly oily skin prior to these stupid lasers and now I have to apply moisturizer on my face many times throughout the day..........I have also devoloped rosacea because of the laser treatment. The lasers compromised my skin badly..........not everyone reacts the same ...sure I get that. But rosacea does not run in my family either so don't throw that one at me........I know for a fact what has occured under my skin is from lasers.....no doubt about it.........what is occuring is odd. My skin looks like I had big scabs on my face that someone peeled off too soon and I have that shiny red smooth crinkly looking skin. I have about 5000 bucks worth of filler in my face now so yes it looks better, but it is still unheathy and feels weird too. The nurse who first did my affirm treatment now works at a different clinic I go to. She has told me that her skin has not been the same since she herself had had the affirm treatment. She cannot explain what is going on with my skin but she does see that there is something wrong with it. She has been my support and comfort through this and has made my skin healthier.....as healthy as it can be.
Jane D 31 May 2011
You are completely wrong to say that laser caused all of these things. Our skin,hair, metabolism and to be frank everything changes as we age. You can't compare yourself with anyone including your mother. My mother has had porcelain skin even at 70 and has always been hairless practically. I, on the other hand have had to laser my whole body for hair removal including my back. I also freckled immensely in the sun and opted to remove my sun damage on my face chest and arms as well. It is also physically impossible to develop Rosacea due to laser. Rosacea is NOT a genetic disorder either. Look it up. I have been doing this for 12 years and I know what I am talking about. Rosacea can develop any time especially as we get older. The simple fact that you obtained a satisfactory result from the 2 treatments you had proves that. Improper post treatment care,oral medications, topical treatments or products can play a part in your skin condition now. There are many many factors that come into play for your individual skin condition and experience. To down play laser in general because of your experience with your skin is ludacris. I have treated thousands of people including myself, my family and friends. I have not 1 complaint. Everyone has a different response, therefore I do not make promises but I do have guidelines of expectations and they are ALWAYS pleasantly surprised. Your individual experience should not be set as an example for others to follow and make a decision about laser for themselves. You are 1 person out of billions. If you are not properly educated in a field, I think it is fine to share your experience but not to do what you are saying about the procedure being terrible and ruined your skin. That is NOT the case and as a lisenced professional I can confidently say this. I have helped so many people, even some who were not treated properly by lasers. There are many factors that make a laser treatment successful. The right machine, and the right person operating it on the proper setting according to the skin type. With that, full pre and post instructions and daily skin care products to benefit and maintain the result. These type of postings can affect others and therfore succesful business like mine. I obviously don't appreciate that. At this point for you, I would reccomend using a gentle, but effective cleanser, a vitamin moisturizer which contains a,c,e and other ingredients that protect against free radicals that kill healthy cells in the skin. Sunscreen 50spf minimally daily. Of course healthy diet, get a Ninja blender or a Vitamix. One handfull of bluberries is a great anti aging food, cucumbers are great for the skin to improve the texture. Supplements are great to ingest daily. There is so much more but these are just examples.
cveroleyva 13 Jun 2011
Hey Jane, don't get why you're chewing out melsh for sharing her experience. there are two sides to everything, you didn't have to make someone feel worse for sharing their feelings and what they went through.
san jose 1 30 Mar 2012
Wow Jane D. First off, who ARE you? Second, lay off of Melsh. Are you a physician?? And there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with Melsh' review. That is what this board is for! Not to be attacked if we dare to review. Btw, why haven't you posted on all the other reviews about Affirm that are like Melsh'. This isn't an isolated experience. I believe it is up to the readers to be discriminating and they can make up their mind as to whether they think Affirm did this or if it was the operator or what. This was a useful review to me and I am well aware of ALL the many many variables that must be factored into this. However, look at the satisfaction rate here overall and look at ALL the reviews. We consider the odds of getting good results. If most operators are apparently not skilled in the use of this equipment, then it is not the best idea to go expose yourself to a potentially negatively life-altering experience. If more operators such as yourself were accessible, then maybe there would be more positive reviews. But apparently, in this RealSelf sampling, there aren't. I'm in California, for example. You're too far away from me. So, though, as you reasonably state, the equipment may be good, if there are not enough skilled operators around or if it is that difficult for operators to get good results, then NO, people should not take a chance - there are TOO TOO many other procedures out there that are a little safer overall. Just don't harass someone, especially someone who is going through hell like Melsh. Geez. By the way, there's lots of controversy on the taking of supplements and also juicing. Some of the folks against that include, just for example, Dr. David Agus - Steve Jobs and Lance Armstrong's and Ted Kennedy's oncologist. Basically, they are not trivial opinions. Might be good to research that.
Jane D 30 Mar 2012
You know what, who are YOU to attack me??? If you read what I wrote, I invited her in free of charge to help her. Busy body self righteous people like you that like to attack make my blood boil. This is an informational web site. Not a harrass forum. Your opinion is not fact however mine is. Im Laser Trained and Cerftified and doing this 13 years. Ive treated thousands. The Affirm is the easiest laser to use so thats not what this is about. Medication, hormonal changes, age, (especially mid thirties for women) product, diet and more are all factors for consideration on individual adverse response. Affirm helps the skin build more collagen so long term affects are better than post treatment. So there goes your idea that over time problems occur. Who are you to ask me who I am when you are taking my email the wrong way. I help thousands of people over the years and I'm going to attack someone? Reread or give me a call because I'm sick and tired of the random idiots taking my advice to her and trying to help her the wrong way as if I am attacking. The fact is, this machine does NOT have the power to cause the damage she has suffered. There are Laser face treatments for the face that have 1 week downtime, sometimes oozing occurs and post treatment care. Affirm is NOTHING close to this. It is minimal pink swelling and in less that 30 minutes back to normal, no numbing required and can use makeup right after. I operate this and other lasers daily from 9AM to 10PM 5 days a week. Sometimes with hardly a break.
Melsh, I hope you are doing well and my offer stands indefinitely. Whenever or if you are every ready to do so.
BrittB 13 Jun 2011

Hi Jane,

cveroleyva is right. You are doing to melsh exactly what you are upset with them for. This is a community where everyone is free to discuss their experiences in a civil friendly manner, and not judge or chastise someone for describing the outcome of their procedure. You, yourself posted "Everyone has a different response," therefore melsh is speaking of what happened to them. The community appreciates your input, but just remember everyone is different and will experience different reactions.

Thanks,

-Britt

Jane D 30 Mar 2012
Hi Britt,
I did not judge or chastice her. I am simply confident with all of my experience that the Affirm is not the culprit. This is informational and thats why I commented. Everyone has a different response does not mean that this is hers from this laser. There is never a negative response. It means different people with different skin and skin conditions will need different settings amount of pulses depending on the area and more or less sessions compared to one another. Everyone gives opinions here and thats great. However if misinformation is downgrading a peice of equipment practice, making others scared, they are being misinformed. I wanted to enlighten people with facts so that they are not scared and have a better understanding from someone who really has knowledge and experience with this laser. My 73 year old mother loves it. I have done 6 sessions once a month for her. 700 pulses on her face and neck and now she has reconsidered getting a facelift. Her skin looks better and better every month because collagen building takes time. It takes years to lose the laxity and months to get it back. Im 36 and every client cannot believe I'm over 25. It is amazing.
Jane D 13 Jun 2011
Obviously neither of you read my comment. It is informational for her and others. 100% of the people that read the original post opted to never try laser themselves. That can hurt businesses like mine and the fact is that anyone should not make decisions based on other peoples individual result. Licensed professionals like myself have helped thousands. What I wrote is not "chewing anyone out. That's ridiculous!! I invited her to my office to take a personal look at her to help her as well as gave her tips on what she can do to improve her skin. So before you start saying things like that read the comment clearly because I take pride in my work and that is offensive. An equipment company should not be completely shot down based on what happened in her case. Please read the comment again in entirety. As I stated in my comment. It is great to share your experience. It is not great to demean entire practice. I understand she being upset that's why I offered my help. Oh and Brit, "everyone has a different response was not suggesting that her experience was the different response. Her experience may have been brought on by many other factors. That cannot be determined by emails. I would have to look at her medical history as well as daily skin regime lifestyle etc. Please keep the negativity out of this because I am willing to help. I am merely offering that as well as important factual information. Thank you.
cveroleyva 4 Dec 2011
I read your comment before I responded to you. Best of luck in your practice and to your patients.
What treatment 4 Dec 2011
Jane are you recommending the Affirm laser? After many years of using the Affirm on clients, are they still experiencing good results?
Jane D 5 Dec 2011
Yes,every single one has experienced amazing results. The machine is unable to produce the results that Melsh is experiencing. Where the goggles were, the skin is sinking in? We don't treat that close to the eye with this machine. The orbital bone is where it ends. Crepey skin? This machine treats crepey skin by stimulating more production of collagen, not cause it. Sometimes peoples lives change dramatically for many different reasons and the first thing they look to do is blame the laser when there are other factors that are responsible for these changes. Age, lifestyle, medical conditions, other procedures (peels many times that thin the skin and especially where improper post treatment care is not exercised) etc. Lasers CANNOT cause long term damage. There is NO such thing. Any damage afflicted will be right then and there.
cveroleyva 5 Dec 2011
Again, reading this post. You are knocking personal reviews. Please try several sessions on your own skin and then share your experience, it will be much more credible.
Dragon64 30 Mar 2012
I guess you haven't registered and read all the posts on the IPL and Laser Damage Support forum have you?
Jane D 6 Dec 2011
I have done about 10 to myself and that is why my skin is flawless! So there is my credibility. And all of my clients, family and friends so I dont have to try. No one is knocking anything except you so keep your negative uneducated comments to yourself. I am speaking of facts and reality of this machine of what it is capable of and what it is not. Plain and simple.
Jane D 6 Dec 2011
Oh! And by the way, I'm 36 and look 25 and just did one last Monday.
cveroleyva 6 Dec 2011
Then why can't you create your own profile and post positive reviews on those that you have had, post pics, and tell everyone that its been good for you vs. insulting melsh and me? Just a thought.
What treatment 6 Dec 2011
Jane
What did your skin look like before affirm? I would like to see before and after pictures. What is your experience with clients who have deep acne scars?
Jane D 6 Dec 2011
I'm not insulting anyone. You are actually.
This forum is not a website nor is it promotional. Its educational. You are welcome to Come in and take a look at me in person and at my clients results. Call me anytime to schedule. That goes for everybody. 914 282 3999.

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