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Artefill Problems and Possible Solutions
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I got Artefill injections for the smile lines that...
apsparrowMay 29, 2013
$1,600
I got Artefill injections for the smile lines that have become more pronounced as 45 approaches. I haven't had any other cosmetic procedures except one chemical peel in April. I went to a place that had done loads of the procedure and the doctor convinced me that Artefill was a fine way to go rather than a temporary filler. I can only say I really wish I'd gone with a temporary filler. I pointed out, very clearly, which lines were troubling me. I explained that it was more important to me to have some lines remain rather than have the filler look strange or fake in my face.
Unfortunately, the doctor decided to fill an area of my face inside the labial folds that I specifically said did not concern me. He seemed a little distracted and I should have made another attempt at the last moment to be sure we were both on the same page. It was surprisingly painful to get the filler and I could feel that the needle was in an area that I wasn't looking to fill, but I thought maybe he had to do it in a certain way, so I let him work. He offered a mirror right away and I looked a bit like a chipmunk. He actually gave me slight jowls and the wrinkles that concerned me had changed very little. I kind of freaked out, but the assistant assured me it would look great in a few days. Instead, it swelled up terribly and turned black and blue. I looked completely bizarre and was terrified I'd have to have some kind of surgery to remove the filler altogether. I was feeling like a vain idiot at that point.
It took a full 10 days for the swelling to go down and most of the bruising to go away. Now, 3 weeks out, I have what appears to be permanent bruising on one side. The swelling is gone and there is some improvement in the wrinkles that concerned me, but I still have the jowls. In addition to that, a small lump the size of a pea formed on the right side in the new jowl area. My face basically looks like I've gained a few pounds and my jaw is more square than before. My husband is bummed as it has changed my face in a fairly subtle, but distinct way. I do think that had the doctor put the fill into the proper location, I'd be reasonably happy, but he really put it in a bad spot and I think, used too much filler.
After some tears and lots of internet research, I decided to try using massage to change the situation. I read that some doctors recommend this after an injection to make sure the filler settles in a soft way. It's possible that the filler remains malleable for some weeks after it's injected. So, in a desperate attempt to avoid an expensive and invasive surgery, I purchased a Wellbox machine to work on my face. It arrived 5 days ago. I felt the machine would be better than just rubbing because I wanted to avoid friction on my fairly delicate skin and the depth and intensity of the directional massage seemed like it would be more effective. I've used it for about 10 minutes on each side in 2 different modes once daily for 5 days. The lump which was almost pea sized when I began is nearly gone. There is also some improvement in the wrinkles I wanted filled in the first place as I've been focussing on moving the filler to that location. It's not done, but I think it's possible that if I do this for a few weeks, it might just work. I may not be able to get completely rid of my new jowls, but it seems very possible to reduce them and reduce the wrinkles I wanted to fill in the first place.
I'm writing this as it seems that many people have problems with their Artefill injections and perhaps the Wellbox massage could help with the lumps that can develop. From what I've read, little can can be changed after 6-8 weeks, but it is possible that the first few weeks offer a window of opportunity to at least subtly change the way the filler sits.
I'll post again in a few weeks and let you all know if the wellbox meaningfully changed the filler look and perhaps the bruising will go away as well.
Unfortunately, the doctor decided to fill an area of my face inside the labial folds that I specifically said did not concern me. He seemed a little distracted and I should have made another attempt at the last moment to be sure we were both on the same page. It was surprisingly painful to get the filler and I could feel that the needle was in an area that I wasn't looking to fill, but I thought maybe he had to do it in a certain way, so I let him work. He offered a mirror right away and I looked a bit like a chipmunk. He actually gave me slight jowls and the wrinkles that concerned me had changed very little. I kind of freaked out, but the assistant assured me it would look great in a few days. Instead, it swelled up terribly and turned black and blue. I looked completely bizarre and was terrified I'd have to have some kind of surgery to remove the filler altogether. I was feeling like a vain idiot at that point.
It took a full 10 days for the swelling to go down and most of the bruising to go away. Now, 3 weeks out, I have what appears to be permanent bruising on one side. The swelling is gone and there is some improvement in the wrinkles that concerned me, but I still have the jowls. In addition to that, a small lump the size of a pea formed on the right side in the new jowl area. My face basically looks like I've gained a few pounds and my jaw is more square than before. My husband is bummed as it has changed my face in a fairly subtle, but distinct way. I do think that had the doctor put the fill into the proper location, I'd be reasonably happy, but he really put it in a bad spot and I think, used too much filler.
After some tears and lots of internet research, I decided to try using massage to change the situation. I read that some doctors recommend this after an injection to make sure the filler settles in a soft way. It's possible that the filler remains malleable for some weeks after it's injected. So, in a desperate attempt to avoid an expensive and invasive surgery, I purchased a Wellbox machine to work on my face. It arrived 5 days ago. I felt the machine would be better than just rubbing because I wanted to avoid friction on my fairly delicate skin and the depth and intensity of the directional massage seemed like it would be more effective. I've used it for about 10 minutes on each side in 2 different modes once daily for 5 days. The lump which was almost pea sized when I began is nearly gone. There is also some improvement in the wrinkles I wanted filled in the first place as I've been focussing on moving the filler to that location. It's not done, but I think it's possible that if I do this for a few weeks, it might just work. I may not be able to get completely rid of my new jowls, but it seems very possible to reduce them and reduce the wrinkles I wanted to fill in the first place.
I'm writing this as it seems that many people have problems with their Artefill injections and perhaps the Wellbox massage could help with the lumps that can develop. From what I've read, little can can be changed after 6-8 weeks, but it is possible that the first few weeks offer a window of opportunity to at least subtly change the way the filler sits.
I'll post again in a few weeks and let you all know if the wellbox meaningfully changed the filler look and perhaps the bruising will go away as well.
Replies (27)
May 31, 2013
So glad to hear that you are happier with the look and feel of the lumps!!Hope they continue to go down, good luck!!
July 7, 2013
Maybe I'm missing something, but you don't appear to have any jowls, at all. Could you post some close-ups. From what I see, jowling is the least of your worries.
July 26, 2013
Well you do state in the letter above that this procedure gave you slight jowls. Look at paragraph 2 and 3 and 4, where you talk about your new jowls in every one of them and under the doctor rating too. .
July 29, 2013
I'm glad I read your post I had Artefill done several times in my nose creases and smile lines. A year later I've got bumps where it's moved above my lips and underneath!! It's horrible considering how much money I spent on this!!! Why no warnings and when I called the spa they said they have never heard of this? Really? What can be done?
November 25, 2013
It amazes me -- my doctor said he never heard of fillers migrating either. All you have to do is look on the Internet! How can someone in the business, who performs this never hear of its side effects?
June 15, 2014
you may have developed a granuloma reaction. hard to say without full history. or the doctor may not have inject right. they're supposed to message the material into the tissue at injection time and not leave lumps. if it's not injected right it may present problems.
June 15, 2014
wax and silicone migrates, but HA and artefill don't. that's just the science. but you can search the nih.gov database yourself to see if there've been any reports of artefill migration, either in clinical studies or animal testing that have been published in peer- reviewed medical journals. i looked for over a year, after reading the web horror stories about it, and never found one scientificly verified account of it happening. you can always find anecdotal things, but really there's no way to know 1., what the product used actually was and 2., how experienced the person was who did the injections. artefill is certainly safer than all-out cosmetic surgery, but any medical procedure - even a flu shot -poses some degree of risk. so, you must balance the risks along with the possible gains and decide what you want to do.
June 15, 2014
because artefill doesn't migrate. search the nih.gov database. a lot of studies have been done, and the historogy shows the product does not migrate beyond the injection site. that's just the science of it. you just can't depend on anecdotal accounts.
June 15, 2014
Again----most of us here are mature, educated women posting a review of what happened to us (unlike others---we have no vested interest) I can point you to many "studies" that report something....until the next study comes along. There are many plastic surgeons on here that testify to having to have to remove lumps caused by Artefill as well. I had Artefill done twice and had the same reaction twice. The first time I thought it was what caused the bumps in other areas of my face, but since the doctor said it couldn't be---I did it again over a half year later (I had purchased a package) Well the same exact thing happened again and I posted photos. So for some people this can be an issue.
June 16, 2014
i’m sorry people have had problems with the product. All I can say is that in making my decision to have the product injected i went with papers published in peer-reviewed medical journals over anecdotal accounts on the web. I read quite a few and concluded there's no way to know for sure what happened in any 'bad result' with the product (was it even artefill, or artecoll - which was never approved for use in the usa?) in these accounts. but when someone develops problems with the product used in an area where it's not supposed to be used (lips, under eyes, between the eyes), i can only conclude poor judgment on the part of the injector. some people can develop granuloma issues, but that's a risk whenever you place a foreign material in the body. In my research I concluded artefill is a lot safer than any invasive surgical procedure. Of course, nothing is 100%; you can only balance the risks with the benefits. one plastic surgeon argued the point that about 10% of nose jobs have a ‘poor’ outcome and require further revision. data I came across suggested around1 in 800 patients will have ‘problems’ with artefill. however, that wasn’t enough to dissuade me from being injected.
UPDATED FROM apsparrow
5 months post
5 months on
apsparrowOctober 25, 2013
It's been 5 months since I had the artefill injections at Silk Touch Med Spa in Idaho. It certainly was not worth it. After all the swelling has gone down, I still have what seems to be light, permanent bruising next to my mouth. The slight jowls created by Dr. Kerr putting the material in exactly the spot I said I didn't want any injection are still there. They have given my mouth a slightly bulldoggish look where before at least that part of my face had a nice delicacy to it. Now it looks heavier and slightly distorted because he didn't follow the natural lines of my mouth and created a weird puffiness. Friends and family have commented on it. I don't know if this would have worked had the doctor listened and put the injection where I had asked, but I will never know. I've never regretted something so much. Mostly my choice of doctor for his lack of listening to my areas of concern, his total lack of follow up after the procedure (He only checked in a month later after my mother demanded a refund of a deposit she'd made) and the lack of information about what could go wrong. The lumps that resulted from the procedure are down, mostly I think from the regular use of the Wellbox machine, but not gone. The bruising hasn't gotten better in months. I am seriously considering plastic surgery to remove this crap from face. I really can't believe I paid someone to mess up my face. I can only say to really, really check up on the doctor you use for this type of procedure and make sure it's a place that is highly recommended. It seems that just about anyone can start a spa and do permanent things to your face with little or no expertise or natural ability to do it well. This guy was an anesthesiologist or something before. Not exactly the practice to prepare you for work of this sort. Just be CAREFUL! If it's done poorly or you have problems it is really hard to get this stuff out. I'll never do anything like it again, but I would recommend temporary fillers for anyone thinking of it. At least if the doc blows it, you get your face back in a few months. With Artefill, it's in there unless you have it surgically removed and it can shift and change over time in ways that are possibly really bad. Live and learn!
Replies (5)
November 19, 2013
I hope you will change your "Not Sure" to "Not Worth It" so that perhaps others can be forewarned.
November 19, 2013
If you need help changing it let me know. I'm sorry you have had to go through with this. I hope you keep us posted on if you decide to have surgery to remove it, or if you try something else.
January 26, 2015
Sorry to hear about your experience - may I ask if you have used the wellbox for other parts of your body ie. legs for cellulite. I would like to purchase one but am trying to find some real honest feedback as to whether it really works. Thanks for your time and good luck with resolving the Artefill problem.
October 18, 2019
$3.7 million lawsuit against Idaho physician Dr. Brian Kerr!
The Idaho Supreme Court has upheld a jury verdict in a wrongful death and medical malpractice $3.7 million lawsuit against Idaho physician Dr. Brian Kerr at Silk Touch Med Spa because a Mountain Home Idaho woman died of septic shock caused by bacteria introduced into her body during a procedure at Silk Touch because "certain reusable medical equipment was not properly disinfected and sterilized." https://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/idaho-supreme-court-upholds-wrongful-death-verdict-37m-judgment-against-eagle-doctor-clinic/Content?oid3863378
The Idaho Supreme Court has upheld a jury verdict in a wrongful death and medical malpractice $3.7 million lawsuit against Idaho physician Dr. Brian Kerr at Silk Touch Med Spa because a Mountain Home Idaho woman died of septic shock caused by bacteria introduced into her body during a procedure at Silk Touch because "certain reusable medical equipment was not properly disinfected and sterilized." https://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/idaho-supreme-court-upholds-wrongful-death-verdict-37m-judgment-against-eagle-doctor-clinic/Content?oid3863378
UPDATED FROM apsparrow
6 months post
Not worth it!!
apsparrowNovember 19, 2013
It seems that the site will not allow me to change my opinion to "not worth it" from "not sure". I want to be very clear that it is not at all worth the risk to use artefill unless you have an excellent doctor who you trust implicitly. This doctor seemed fine and then proceeded to put the filler in a location I'd said I was not concerned with. The result is a change to my face for the worse and no effect on the lines I was hoping to reduce with the filler. BE CAREFUL!
Replies (34)
November 24, 2013
I have lumps too from Artefill, under my eyes. What an awful product! BTW - I have used just about every filler on the market and NEVER had a problem before. So it has to be the product as well as the injector!
November 25, 2013
Just when I think all the bumps that will surface HAVE surfaced, some new ones show up. The only saving grace is that the worse of them can be hidden by my hair. Sorry to hear yours are under your eyes. Hope they can be resolved somehow.
June 15, 2014
If they are lumps that are filled with that substance you can have them excised by a dermatologist. Till this day the doctor who used the Artefill on me refuses to believe that it migrates to other areas. Why on earth would they think we make this up? We have nothing better to do? We pay our hard-earned $$$ for these procedures....we WANT them to work properly. All you have to do is google it to show we're not the only ones who experienced these effects.
June 15, 2014
i've had 6 syringes by a doctor who knows how to inject correctly, was trained by the company, has been using it in her practice most every day for 6 years now with no problems except for 1 patient who developed granuloma disease not related to the product, and all my injections look terrific. in fact, i look as good now as i did at 30, and i'm 54. i'm getting 2 more syringes this week. so that's my experience.
June 15, 2014
i've had 6 syringes by a doctor who knows how to inject correctly, was trained by the company, has been using it in her practice most every day for 6 years now with no problems except for 1 patient who developed granuloma disease not related to the product, and all my injections look terrific. in fact, i look as good now as i did at 30, and i'm 54. i'm getting 2 more syringes this week. so that's my experience.
June 15, 2014
artefill's not supposed to be used under the eyes. the skin's too thin there. any experienced doctor won't inject below the eyes. you always only use an HA filler there. but, sorry about your bad results. don't blame the product though.
June 15, 2014
I didn't have Artefill under eyes, I had it in the laugh lines. The product can migrate to other areas for some people. Clearly for some it works well and for others it doesn't. One should know that this is a possibility before having it done.
June 15, 2014
doesn't migrate. i can direct you to histology that shows there's no migration of artefill. perhaps it was some other product? there have been no published clinical studies i can find, searching the national nih.gov database for over a year, that show the artefill product as approved for usa use migrates. just the opposite. no product was found to be in lymph nodes or beyond the injection site tissues. pmma injection can be bought on the ebay and the web, but it's not the same quality product.
September 23, 2014
Do you work for the company? You seem to be very passionate about Artefill not being a lousy product
January 18, 2017
January 18, 2017
It does migrate! I also heard they are not doing any further studies on it after the 5 year because they have no competition. The product should be banned.
March 9, 2018
with all respect, you information is wrong, my doctor is a trained surgeon, by the company and it was placed under my eyes and it migrated from along the orbital bone to the corner of the eyes. It was also injected in the frown lines and migrated below, he did get out 3 lumps near my frown line area it lumps were removed successfully. This is my experience and a fact. Bellafill is the only filler I have had. The lumps are very hard to find and dig out because they have no boundaries and you the surgeon can remove tissue with it causing indents because of loss of tissue. Hundreds of women are not making this up.
January 13, 2014
from what i've read on the web, though a lot of doctors use it there, artefill isn't supposed to be used under the eyes. the skin there is too thin. it's only approved for the smile lines area. no doubt they want to satisfy their patients who want a long term filler solution there, but we see lots of problems with it here. of all the dermal fillers artefill has to be injected deepest. in cases where there's already an HA filler in place, artefill is supposed to be injected below that to work correctly.
May 11, 2014
Today is May 2014, I'm wondering if there is an update to the lady left with the jowls. The same thing has happened to me. I'm so sad.
June 15, 2014
it's still a lot safer than face surgery, when done by a doctor who knows the way to inject correctly. of course, any md can inject it legally but that doesn't mean they understand or even really care the way to use it safely. see an experienced doctor is my only advise. juvaderm wears down in 6 months or so. and you always run the risk of an arterial occlusion with any injected product, even an HA filler, so the good side outweights the risks in my opinion. artefill shouldn't ever be used under or between the eyes (frown area). any experienced injector will not place it in those areas.
June 15, 2014
one more thing, if it's any help, there's a drug commonly used to treat gout, and that has been found to reduce lumps caused by pmma-type products. i can't think of the drugs name, but it's routinely used to treat gout. that drug along with oral antibiots can reduce any problems with lumps. i've seen some reports about steriod injections too, but i'm not sure about that. obviously, only an experienced doctor can advise. hope this helps.
Oh wow I'm sorry you didn't get the results you wanted. Thanks for sharing your story and posting pictures, it is so helpful to everyone looking into permanent fillers.