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Artefill Artecoll Lumps

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Updated 29 May 2009
Posted 1 May 2009
Not Worth It
Spent: $300 in Miami, Florida

I did this after i noticed my laugh line being more pronounced and i thought it would be great to remove them, the doctor i think injected outside the actual lines so now the lines are more pronounced. I hate my results 'cause not only that but i have lumps where they injected.

I am hoping there is now a way to dissolve or safe surgery to remove . I heard that if i remove some tissue will go with it creating pocket, since then i have read there is procedure for culturing fibroblast from my self then injecting back to fill said pockets and even the wrinkle laugh lines themselves might go away.

Can someone advise some opinions, i realise specifically each case is different , i just want opinions of the ideas involved.

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David C. Pearson, MD (372 posts) 2 Jun 2009
Are your sure you actually received Artefill? $300 is suspiciously inexpensive since the smallest syringe that Artes Medical sold was a 0.4cc syringe for $300. That's $300 that the *doctor* paid for it. And typically 0.4cc would barely treat part of one side of the nasolabial folds. If you truly paid for Artefill and only paid $300, you didn't get the real thing.
skincare miami (6 posts) 3 Jun 2009
it was called artecol
skincare miami (6 posts) 3 Jun 2009
i want to get rid of it, I lost weight and now it look worse with than without... is any way other than surgery to get rid of it?? thanks
David C. Pearson, MD (372 posts) 4 Jun 2009
Artecoll is not FDA approved. If you received Artecoll injections by someone in the United States (I see you're in Miami), then you need to report that person to the state medical board and/or the state attorney general's office. It's quite illegal to use Artecoll on U.S. soil and you've been the victim of a crime. Was it even a real doctor who treated you? As for getting rid of it, yes, excision is the only way to remove the product. This isn't always necessary, though, to improve the appearance of it. --DCP
Iris810 (3 posts) 19 Sep 2009
I have the same problem. I did it in China 2 years ago. It was at my lower eyelid area. Is there a safe way to resolve it? I dont really need to remove it. Just want to make my lower eyelid looks flat.(It's puffy now). Is it possible to inject artefill to fill the gaps? I can send you pictures if that'll be better. I'm in LA area. Any recommendations on doctors/plastic surgery places? Thanks so much.
wwills (32 posts) 26 Nov 2009
Hi, I have had PMMA in several areas of my face for more than 10 years. This product has (had) only been available in the US for a few years but it has been available in Canada and Europe for several years. I started getting Artecoll injections in Canada back in the late 90’s. I was satisfied with the results of Artecoll for several years so when it was time for more injections I researched options closer to where I currently lived (Central Texas). After much research I found Clinic'estetica. I did several rounds of Precise (PMMA in a different solution and microsphere size). I was quite happy with the results for a year or two but after about 2 years, suddenly visible lumps started appearing where the product was injected (kind of like a gummy worm in length and consistency but white). Since then I have been battling these lumps. Clinic'estetica offered no viable solution so I have spent the last year or so consulting with several plastic surgeons and doctors. I have tried steroid injections directly into the lumps which caused thinning of the skin so now I have hollowed eyes, dark circles AND lumps. I also tried fat grafting with one of the top fat grafting doctors in the LA area to try and camouflage the lumps and after several treatments the improvement was minimal (at best) and very expensive. On the upside-after many consultations and much research, I was lucky enough to find Dr Hoenig in Beverly Hills, CA. He is very experienced with this type of problem and has been treating me for about 7 months now with 5FU & Restylane. I have had much improvement but the lumps persist and new ones appear every day. I will see him again in a few weeks to see if I can reasonably expect a positive outcome for surgically removing the product. It seems to me that keeping the lumps under control will be a constant and long term battle so I’d like to remove them if possible. I've been trying to avoid surgery but if Dr Hoenig feels surgery will result in long term improvement without creating other issues, I'm ready to try it. My goal with this post is twofold; #1 to confirm there are indeed residual side effects of a PMMA product (several years later) and #2 there is a fantastic doctor in Beverly Hills with a great deal of experience dealing with this type of problem; finding him was the longest and most frustrating part of my battle so if you're looking for help, he's your man. Incidentally, one of his students is now practicing in Austin Texas, (Dr Nakra) so I’m going to have a consultation with him so if I have to continue treating the lumps with injection hopefully I can stop traveling to CA every month for treatment. I hope this helps with either deciding to get the PMMA injections or finding help if you experience any side effects. W.W.
Gutted (1 post) 5 May 2010
I too had Artecoll injections into my forehead nearly ten years ago and am suffering a nightmare ever since. The first time the surgeon injected the wrong side of the frown line and he said "how did that happen?!" stupidly I let him have another go and he got it wrong again. I'm left with two, raised, very lumpy lines running vertically down the middle of my forehead with a deep groove in between them. I went back to the surgeon a third time who injected steroid into one of the lines to try and diminish it but missed which caused the surrounding tissue to atrophy and "cave in". I tried needle therapy which is supposed to reduce the scar tissue that has formed round the PMMA but his didn't help. I went to see another surgeon who suggested surgical removal but he couldn't guarantee the outcome so I didn't feel too optimistic. I've seen someone else a couple of times in Harley Street who has injected steroids into the lumps which have improved a bit, but he now refuses to do anymore because he can see the skin is thinning and some of the surrounding tissue is getting very sunken. I feel very depressed about the whole issue, I wish I had researched more extensively about it myself, but above all, I wish the original surgeon had been more honest about the product. I've since found out that he was supposed to give me an allergy test first because of the bovine collegen that's in Artecoll, but this wasn't offered. I really don't know what to do but it has completely knocked my self-confidence, I hate having photos taken and am very careful where I stand if there are lights around as it illuminates the shadows and crevices on my forehead. It's a nightmare. Good luck to you whichever method you choose to try and remove it.
Scarborough8578 (2 posts) 23 Dec 2010
Hello,

I have lumps under my right eye that are the result of artecoll injected 6 years ago. You seem very knowledgeable on these complications, could I possibly have your email address to ask you a few questions?

Thanks in advance for any considerations.

Dave.
wwills (32 posts) 24 Dec 2010
Hi Dave,
Sure, just tell me how to give you my email address privately-(with posting it).
WW.
Scarborough8578 (2 posts) 24 Dec 2010

Can you email me?

Thanks.

Cindy Charlotte (1 post) 5 Mar 2010
I had fat and artefill injected in my bottom lip at different times. I have a noticeable lump and would love to get rid of it. My cosmetic surgeon did some injections to melt the fat, but the lump remains, so it must be the Artefill. I have read the above posts...is there anything that will disolve it or is surgery the only option?
BradleyK (1 post) 9 Apr 2010
I am in a similiar situation. I have done research on the PMMA beads. They are a synthetic polymer. Very durable stuff. I am doing research at a molecular level to try to come up with something. May I ask what kind of fat dissolver he used? I still think there is a high presence of bovine collagen that may be possible to break down. Still looking in to it.
LoriIB (20 posts) 14 May 2010
I also have a similar problem. They injected too much ArteFill on the side of my chin. It looks lumpy and uneven. They told me to keep massaging the area and eventually it will flatten out. I really doubt they are telling me the truth since reading all these post. Have you found out any other information? I feel I am stuck and am terrified what might happen down the road.
wwills (32 posts) 15 May 2010
Hi Lori, When you say the side of your chin, are you referring to the "cheek hollow" under your cheek bone or along the jaw line? How long ago did you get the injections? Massaging Artecoll is pointless as I understand it except to create more problems if you ever attempt to have it removed which is generally not advisable since it's embedded in the tissue. I’ve been told that on rare occasions depending on the location and depth of the injections it can be removed but can leave a depression because additional tissue is taken along with the Artecoll. Is the lumpiness a result of overfilling (new injections) or did it lump up later (excessive scar tissue)? WW
LoriIB (20 posts) 16 May 2010
Hi, The lump is the result of overfilling. I had the ArteFill done on March 1st, and the raised area was there immediatley. I even said to the nurse --am I going to have a lump here now. It is on the left side of my chin area -- just under the lip to bottom of chin. When I look in the mirror from a side view you can see a small lump. I can also see it from the front view. It sort of looks like when you have water under the skin and it raises the area. I spoke with someone at the Ricatta Laser Center and they said they have seen this before and they usually use injections about two weeks spaced apart to resolve the issue. Another doctor who also uses this product said that if I massaged the area everyday that it could flatten out. I have been doing this and really don't see any improvement. I am going to have the nurse who injected ArteFill call the laser center and talk to the person who has seen these problems on how to resolve it.
skincare miami (6 posts) 18 May 2010
does the laser center use laser treatments for lump removal?
skincare miami (6 posts) 18 May 2010
I had my procedure in 2005 and it has not gotten any better, its permanent , i had massages, ultrasonic therapy to try breakup the encapsulating tissue, I still have not tried hormone injections there, cause im not sure what kind or results can anyone shed light (give info) on hormone treatment for removing lumps from this stuff. thanks
LoriIB (20 posts) 27 May 2010
OMG! 2005. Can I ask where you have lumps. I have also been massaging the lump that I have on my chin area. A doctor told me that I could flatten it out. Of course, it is still the same. After hearing your story -- I now know that it is never going to go away. Did you have any Kenalog injections?
wwills (32 posts) 28 May 2010
Hi, I've been working on finding a resolution for my Artecoll/Artefill lumps (nodules) for over two years. My last series of PMMA injections took place in March 2007 with my first lump appearing approx one year later. Over the course of the last 2 years, I have developed multiple nodules with new ones appearing on a regular basis. So far they have been controllable with regular (monthly) shots of a cortisone/ 5FU combination; very important that you find a doctor that understands how to use this combo so the cortisone portion is relatively low helping to avoid skin atrophy. I learned the hard way how much damage high dose cortisone can do to your skin which added to this lengthy process. I am also on high dose Doxycycline to try and knockout any possible bacteria which could be contributing to the chronic flare-ups. I have seen many doctors about this issue, several in the US, one in Canada and also asked for advice from the inventor of Artecoll (Dr Lemperle). They have all been helpful but understanding exactly what causes the flare-ups and why they occur so frequently and for such a long period of time is still not “completely” understood. It’s been a great experience meeting doctors that really do care! Complicating matters further is the fact that I had some Bio-Alcamid injected a few years ago as well. The Bio-Alcamid has been removed for the most part but I can’t help but think it has been and still is a contributing factor in the flare-ups (assuming there is a small amount still in my face). The lumps and nodules are definitely PMMA (the texture and feel is unmistakable) but my theory is that the BioAlcamid contributes and exaggerates the immune response, again just my theory. I have come to the conclusion that controlling the lumps is the best plan. I’ve done an enormous amount of research over the last few years looking for a solution and really believe controlling them is the best strategy, surgery is not an option. I have been told that the constant flare-ups could eventually burn out (usually after 2 or 3 years). Incidentally, I was on Singular for a few months to try and control the inflammatory response and it seemed to be effective however I was one of the unlucky people that experienced the side effect of laryngitis. This doesn’t happen to everyone so you could consider adding that to your treatment plan. I’ve been off of Singulair for 2 months and my voice has only marginally improved so I have scheduled an appointment with an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist hoping to resolve this issue. All things considered, I’m just happy to have the lumps under control. For anyone reading this and considering PMMA injections, please carefully consider the “long term” risks involved with permanent filler. If I could start over again I would stick with temporary fillers-100%. WW
LoriIB (20 posts) 2 Jun 2010
Hi, So sorry for your situation. I am also terrified of what might happen down the road. I have had over $10,000 worth of ArteFill injections in my face. Everything is fine so far except for the overfill in my chin area, which has created a lump. In all your research, did they ever say that the ArteFill might just go away over time --sorry just wishful thinking on my part. The doctors I spoke with said the ArteFill will eventually go down -- that it dissipates after around two years. A lot of there permanency is just their marketing -- this is what doctors have told me. I was thinking of getting steroid injections but I am a little afraid it might make it worse. Can I ask what dosage of cortisone/5FU they injected and in what time periods do they space them apart? I hope you find a solution. I also wish I would of stayed with the temporary fillers.
reagy (2 posts) 3 Oct 2010
Sorry to hear what u are going through. I had bio alcamid too, in the cheek area. Now i cannot have anything else there. No doctor will touch my face. Was hoping for Radiesse or Restylane. Would like to find out how u got rid of the bio-alcamid? Hope u are doing well now.
LoriIB (20 posts) 5 Oct 2010
Hi, I had three shots of Kenalog-10 very dilated, which helped with the lump but also caused an indent. I then decided to get some Juvaderm injected which filled in the indent. It is not perfect but a lot better. The doctor said (I chose to use a different doctor this time) that in time the indent would fill back in. I hope so. My chin area will never be the same though. I wish I never went to Dr. Ben Lee's office. They really don't care about their patients, just how much money they can make.
wwills (32 posts) 11 Oct 2010
Hi, It’s been more than a year of regular injections into my PMMA lumps, I'm convinced the best combo is 5FU with low dose steroid. I have never had an indentation with this combo. The 5FU is a miracle drug in my opinion and the low dose steroid seems to just help the process along but no side effects (gotta love that)! Generally 3-4 injections would do the trick for each lump. I can't even count how many lumps have been treated at this point. After treating the original lumps under my eyes, new lumps appeared regularly so I’ve been flying from Texas to California monthly for treatment. In my case; the first two lumps under my eyes were long and thin (gummy worm texture) but the rest of the lumps are nodules. It seems as though each PMMA microsphere has created its own small round nodule. For instance, where Artecoll/Artefill was implanted (ex: cheek hollow) I have a line of nodules following the same placement as the tunneled injection, same thing in my chin, jaw line, etc. Aside from the lumps under my eyes which are much better but not completely resolved, most of the nodules are no longer visible thanks to the 5FU/steroid injections. The under eye lumps are my biggest challenge because although they are much smaller, what remains of the lumps appears to be PMMA implanted too superficially and to date, there doesn’t seem to be a resolution for that. I had fat implanted in that area to try and camouflage but that created a whole other set of problems. I have been told by a well respected Doctor in Canada that there is a Surgeon in Italy successfully melting and removing Artecoll. Rest assured, when she sends me his contact info I will investigate the details. All in all, my face looks much better since my treatments with Dr Hoenig and no new lumps for the last two months. The 5FU/steroid injection is such a simple procedure, I would ask your local PS or really good Derm to speak with Dr Hoenig and get the specifics on the procedure. I stumbled on to something else I found helpful. When new lumps were popping up regularly I decided to see if I could buy 5FU on the internet. I discovered 5FU cream. Understanding this is a chemo product used to shrink tumors I cautiously ordered it, tried it and it WORKS! OK.. now HEAR THIS..where you put the cream the skin will get very red, sore and crusty and it will take a week, if not two weeks, for it to heal so definitely keep that in mind when you try it. I experimented with nodules I could hide (temples) for 3-4 days and low and behold although viciously scabby looking it did indeed shrink the nodules! I can’t guarantee it will work for anyone else I only know it worked for me. It remains to be seen whether or not the lumps return. When I can stay at home for a couple of weeks I’ll try the 5FU cream on other areas. If you want to try it just ask your doctor for a prescription. Now on to Bio-Alcamid, Dr Hoeing is very experienced with complications from fillers, so much so that he’s able to determine which product he’s feeling in my face. He determined where I had the Bio-Alcamid and decided to remove it. The Bio-Alcamid removal was amazing. He injected a solution into the area and then forcibly squeezed it out. I actually got to see the Bio-Alcamid after it came out. It’s very possible the removal of the Bio-Alcamid helped in resolving my frequent new lumps since it’s considered to have high risk of infection. I have spent a good deal of time investigating the concept of bacteria and biofilms and I do believe there is a connection between the biofilms and the nodules. I expect more data will be available on this in the near future. WW
VICTORIA1Z (6 posts) 22 Oct 2010
Can Artefill be moved over about a fraction of an inch by massaging it? I just got my injection about a week ago and have been massaging it daily. Am upset that the doctor injected "above" the line instead of into the line! I need to move it over about a fraction of an inch. Will massaging it help? If so is there a specific technique to use?
LoriIB (20 posts) 24 Oct 2010
Sorry but I massaged for about a month and this stuff doesn't move. They also injected in the wrong spot and injected too much which created a lump. Now my chin is lumpy which is creating the look of scars.

Where did you get your injection. I received my in Colorado by Carrie Ireland. Definately do not recommend her. She is all about money.

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