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Updated 22 May 2009

Posted 21 May 2009

In the summer of -07 I decided to have eyelid surgery due to bags under my eyes and a slight hooding of my upper eyelid. The surgeon was very experienced and well known. I thought I was in good hands.

I asked for a very conservative approach in the upper eyelids. Less is more I said to the surgeon more than once and do NOT change the shape of my almond shaped eyes. That did not happen. He removed so much fat and skin that I could not recognice my eyes. My whole face changed because of this surgery.

I really did not need to touch the upper lids at all. The lower are fine, somewhat hollow but I can live with that. I found a great surgeon who has injected juvederm in the upper eyelids. The fullness is back but I am still in chock over what has happened to me and can not get used to this face. I am in therapy and suffer great depression. Did not know it all could go so wrong. Surgeon said it was so easy and never complications.

My question is to anyone and everyone: Is there a way to stretch the upper eyelid skin so that I can create a crease again. I would like to have some tissue back in this area, has anyone had a skin graft in the upper lid? All I want is to look like myself again. I regret this more than anything in my life. Can not accept this result and will look for a solution until I find one.

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iwantmylidsback 5 Jun 2009
That is EXACTLY what happened to me! I just aksed for a small adjustment (the main work was on the puffiness below the eye). Now, not a day goes by that I don't regret that fateful decision. If you find a solution please post it. I'm hoping that there's some way to stretch the skin..
goldilock 18 Jun 2009
Hi, I know how you feel. Not a day goes by for me either where I don't regret this more than anything in my life. I am so unhappy about it words can not describe it. I have spoken to many doctors now, there seems to be no solution to this problem. I had very pretty eyes before, can not understand what this doctor was thinking when he cut out all the skin and fat and left me looking like I now do. If I do find a solution in the future I will post it here. I am so sorry you have to go thought this as well. My main problem was also the lower lids... they are fine now... but the uppers are totally botched. If you find out that something can be done, please post it here, unfortunatly we are not alone with these horror stories. Feel better... Aloha..
t37352 8 Jun 2009
could you post a pic?
dimsumjenny 20 Jun 2009
to goldilock, no one got it worst than my eyelid surgery. I am born with double eyelid. Didn't like the extra crese on the inner corner of my eyes. An asian lady first told me about eyelid surgery. She and her sister weren't born with it. Her older sister got her eyes done. I didn't like the look cuz the eyes that her plastic surgeons gave her is so fake............... Do you live in the silcon valley area? Many asian that are people with double eyelid get eyelid surgery for same reason I got mine. I have a really funny looking face after surgery Dr. name of the doctor that that this to me is name dr. Richard a. weiss out of newport beach.
dimsumjenny 20 Jun 2009
To t37352, If you are asian of east, southeast, north ,or northeast asian please be careful who you choose to do the surgery. If you are any of the above ethnicities I mention, why don't you look up dr. William chen out of long beach, ca. He did a re-vision work on my left eyelid. He made the huge stitch mark less noticeable. I find him to be honest and patient. I heard dr. lee out of beverly hills is not patient and very much into move people in and out of his operating room quickly. Dr. chen has extensive asian eyelid surgeries experience. I don't want you to end up looking like me. It is very sad and I am depress on and off about it.
Vickisue (RealFriend) 29 Jul 2009
Too Goldilock...What you wrote is similar to my story. I had my eye lid surgery done 7 years ago and still seek reversion.I had fat injections using my own fat, 2 years after my surgery. My skin was so tight only a tiny amount could be injected. It did help for awhile, but the fat is absorbed after time and only 10-20% remain. My eyes are hollowed and sunken. Trust me it gets worse with time, and you lose volume in your face. I too had almond shaped eyes, and would do about anything to have my eyes back. Your eyes are your face,window to your soul and this altered change, also changed my entire appearance.All very negative. I read where fat strip grafting can be done. I have yet to meet anyone that has had this procedure for our same needs. Hollowed eye sockets is also a genetic trait for some people. Unfortunately is it mine now as well. I'm not sure if this grafting of fat is rejected by your body after time, or how long it may last. I'm surprised you found a doctor to inject derma filler into your upper lids, most tell me No, because it can lump and cause more malformation. Good luck to you, and if you find an answer, please notify me. I know there are things in life, we may never recover. I pray this is not one of them. I get so very depressed as time goes by now,and find it harder to forgive myself for this aweful choice. I feel the stranger that looks back at me in the mirror every day, may never go away, and will never be united with whom I really am, and look like. I don't even resemble my family members anymore, and we all had a certain trait. Very sad.
not enough skin (unregistered guest) 24 Aug 2009
I had this orbital fat grafting done to my upper left lid with Dr. Meronk due to too much fat removal and skin. I wound up with ptosis in the eye with the fat graft, if you do not have enough skin to support the fat graft, this is what will happen. I had to end up having most of the fat graft removed so I wouldn't have a droopy eyelid.
goldilock 28 Aug 2009
to vickieue: I feel such compassion for wwhat has happened to your eyes. I know the feeling of looking in the mirror and having that stranger look back at you. I find it to be a daily struggle to face the world. As you describe it, there is a loss of connection to one self. My Juvederm in the eyelids is looking really good and I know if you go to a very skilled surgeon with A LOT of experience in fillers in this delicate area you will have a good out come. My eyes are so much better now but it is the emotional health I am worried about. I now realise that the skin on my upper lids will never come back and that my whole face has changes ( for the worse) because if it. I simply have to learn to accept this. Don't really know how though. Therapy has not worked at all. If you would like my surgeons name please post your email here and I will give you all the information you need. The filler has NOT lumped. Looks real good. Very natural. BUT it all depends on the surgeon. I highly recommend mine. There is hope. Feel better. Warmly Goldilock.
goldilock 28 Aug 2009
to not enough skin: I am saddened to hear about the visit with Dr M and what happened to your eye. I was very interested in this procedure you had, fat strips placed deep into the orbital area to fill out the hollowness. Like I wrote to Vickiesue, post an email adress and I can provide you with my excellent surgeon whom helped me with my hollowness with juvederm injections. I really most of all want the skin back because even with a filler I struggle with "loving" my eyes. I know that is because the skin created a beautiful fold that framed the eye and the face, now when it is gone it looks so strange, but much better still with the filler. Good luck! Goldilock
nightmare 25 Aug 2009
The same thing happened to me as well. I had upper eyelid surgery in 2006 and it has been a nightmare ever since. I had bad scarring on one eyelid that contracted the eyelid, loss of skin and fat and I was left with hollowness in upper eyelids. I now have skin shortage in the left upper eyelid and must use saran wrap at night to create a moisture chamber so the eye can keep lubricated and am now told that I need a skin graft. The doctor who did my surgery was not helpful at all and worse of all, he appears to have no compassion for what he has done to me and my life.
goldilock 28 Aug 2009
Oh my God! This is horrible! The doctor ignoring the mistake is so very painful. Mine did the same. He said that I was a perfectionist and he thought the eyes where now " brighter and fresh" as he put it. I dont look like myself AT ALL! I never had a problem where I could not close the eye though, But it is just about enough skin for that.My left eye is so different from the right. Yes, you might absolutely need a skin graft because you can not live with saran wrap for the rest of your life while you sleep!!! I hope you find the help you need. I know how you feel, its so very sad. If you need a name to a very good eyelid expert in California please post your email adress and I can send you some information. You need an EXPERT in revision eyelid surgey. Blessings, Goldilock
nightmare 30 Aug 2009
I have gone to several very prominent eyelid surgeons in CA and other states, basically, they all say the same thing - too much fat and skin removed, especially on the right upper lid leading to eyelid shortage. My plastic surgeon was Dr. Richard Nesmith in Gainesville, Florida. I also had face lift and have I have contacted him about the problem several times but he has no compassion at all. I should have known something when he didn't even show up for the pre-op appt. and during my initial consultation, he left the room to take a phone call. During my post op visits, I had to ask the nurse to see him, because she was the only one I saw. I should have seen where his priorities lie. I must now live with what he did to me and hope no one else will be hurt like me.
goldilock 31 Aug 2009
Hello again, I fully understand the problem. But regarding the volume there is a solution for that, for sure! I fixed the volume in my eye. The skin graft is nessecary for you. It IS very possible to have it fixed with the right surgeon though. Have you contacted Dr Hoenig in Beverly Hills? He is incredbly talented. Please don't give up. It is so depressing, I know, but there is a solution. Yes, the behavious of your Doc was inexcusable! He left the room for a phone call during your consultation? He did not show up for the pre-op appt? My God! That was a very big sign! I know it does not help to hear this now, but that was your instinct screaming: RUN! My doc kept looking at his watch the whole consultation and was very cold to me. I actually did not like him , we did not "click" and that was my "sign" but he was pushy and I knew he was good although my inner voice said: NOT THIS DOC! I was right. Intution is ALWAYS right. This is such an expensive and painful lesson. Now I am very careful when my instinct tells me something. I have learned the hard way. Please take your time to find the right surgeon to help you this time around. There are incredibly gifted people out there doing wonderful revision work and actully care about their patients. Warmly, Goldilock.
marz 12 Jun 2010
hi i too can relate to all these stories i think its a case of learning things the hard way lifes teaching you a lesson to value what u have in this case had and some things you just dont get out too easy its double punishment for sure i dont know whats worse the pain of exepting your less attractive appearance or the fact that you could pay someone to do this to you i have learnt a huge lesson i should have listen to my family and freinds i had nice eyes i just had an ugly lifestyle the wan_er should have told me to get some rest cause i was obviously not thinking straight anyway it makes me so angry cause they know u gona look worse theve done it many times its unreal the leve u high and dry with defomities skin shortage nightmares anxiety and deppression. well i too find this hard to except and iam looking for someone to do a reverse lower and upper i need i few things rearanged and added i found a good eyelid specialist here in austalia who sounds like he can do something maybe even a skin graft to the uppers im persistant ive had to wait a year but hopefully have surgery in september i will put fotos and keep yous posted meanwhile the best website i found for revision so far is frank meronk would like to hear of other good websites take care
raysydney 15 Jun 2010
I had the same problem in 2005 after a bleph, too much skin and fat removed from upper lids that it cahnged my look completely and is now hollow. Who is this eyelid specialist in Australia? I live in Sydney and am considering fat transfer. Cheers
marz 16 Jan 2011
iam sorry to say i have not found anyone that can perform miracles and return u bak to the way u looked before but i came close and found a realy nice eyelid specialist that has supported me throughout some of this he was realy understanding there is some things he could help with but iam still looking for miracle. i have not seen his work but i know he has a good reputation he has worked alongside frank meronk who is one of the best revision occuplastics in america he is so nice his name is angelo tsirbas he is in sydney and canberra
unofactasunt 16 Jan 2011
Thank you so much for responding. I am in the same exact situation. He took to much skin and up turned eye lid. The other eye needs rearranged-he took to much skin and left an over hand that looks like a crease, but isn't. My face is tight from hair to hair line across my eyes. Took skin from the inner eye corners and is tight across the the bridge. My lids do not function - I am on medication and sleep most of the day because I can't move my eye lids or raise my eye brown w/o discomfort and pain at the top of my eye balls. I wish you well and hope you find your miracle.
Do you have any idea of the cost for this revision?
unofactasunt 21 Jun 2010
I have had the same experience with the upper lid optosis. Too much skin taken from the left eye leaving no crease and can hardly close the eye, must keep it taped down all the time. The left eye is oposite - too small, too tight and pulls the bottom up. I have been to about 5 optomogists/ocular plastic surgeon in my state capital, well known clinic and private plastic surgeon. Every one has a different story, lack of continuity of the problem left eye and ignore the right eye saying "you always had a smaller eye and just didn't notice it". I've been told by my now shrink needed for nerve meds that no one will take on the problems created by a previous physican and it certainly sounds accurate. I can only hope to find that special talented ocular plastic surgeon who can help me. There is not enough room to write how dysfunctional the MD & staff really were. They repeatedly said how suttle the MD was and the nurses want him to do their surgery,but they can't pass the eye test. I was so excited about finally being able to retire that I let my guard down and missed all the red flags. This should be the best time of my life and it has been miserable and non productive. I am tired of blaming myself for the bad decision and feel these arrogant doctors should be held responsible for their actions and held accountable so to limit the number of people they are really hurting. My discomfort is becoming worse and don't know how I can continue. Let's hope some exceptional surgeons step up to do the ever growing revisions.
Auckland8649 2 Feb 2011
DONT have blepharoplasty unless you HAVE to. I too have the whole hollow eyed, 90 year old look, unfazingly produced by Greg Taylor in Auckland. I previously had a friendly laughing pretty albeit slightly tired looking face, now I look stressed and really old. I have had upper eye filler from an amazingly caring cosmetic practitioner, but this is not a long term solution. He hates doing it as it may cause blindness. Old wrinkly smiling eyes have now become so attractive to me. Why dont these so called professionals with lots of qualifications and experience know all of this??? Its SOOOO obviously not good. Are they blind?
unofactasunt 8 Feb 2011
yes, they are blind except for seeing the dollar bills from you or especially now the baby boomers. I believe my mess which is not bad to look at, but doesn't function - can't raise my eye brows only one of many issues was a big scam to get my insurance. A columbus intern made the most profound statement he said "these doctors see the surgery as a challenge, rather then send patients to MD's who can do it write". He was able to see all the errors. But doctors are good at taking your money and won't do anything, but give you eye drops.
It will be a year in May and I am on nerve pills and ever so sick in the stomach, I have to sleep alot to get relief from the eyes hurting.
marz 16 Mar 2011
hi, once again iam still looking for a miracle and i will keep looking believe me i will find my way bak from this i have seen my eyes look the way they looked before this mess i pull my eyelids around my eyes and i see a better picture so i know its possible just gota keep hopes up cause you know you cant give up you want to live again you want to remove the scars that are there its a feeling like your so uncomfortable all the time like something is on your face and you have to remove it and youl be free again only they those barstds they did remove it and youl get it bak dont worry there is a solution but it takes longer and you have to be sure so good luck i know Il fix my problem and Il keep posting updates but so far i think iam going to california to ask frank meeronk what i should do or if he recommends someone i think he is the best but he is retirin
g this year so i better get a move on cause iam in australia
Auckland8649 16 Mar 2011
I am seeing an oculoplastic surgeon. He's put esthelis filler into my upper hollow eyelids, with pretty fantastic results. I've had to spend around $2500 on this, but the results are worth it. Many many surgeons wont do this but I found a good one with lots of experience at injecting filler into upper and lower eyes. I think I will have to do this for the rest of my life.
raysydney 24 Mar 2011
who is your occuloplastic surgeon?
Does he live in Australia or NZ?
Auckland8649 24 Mar 2011
Dr Adam Watson at the Eye Institute in Auckland. He's been fantastic.
raysydney 25 Apr 2011
I am glad Dr Watson in NZ did a good job for you. I had mine done using Restylane in upper and lower lids by Dr Aharonov in LA and he was great (close to my old good eye look).
I visited Dr Tsirbas here but he has little experience in fillers and needs more practice -nice guy though. I would not trust him doing fat transfer because of experience and because he works with DR GEORGE MARCELLS the idiot ENT who screwed up my eyes unecessarily in 2005 by doing an unecessary blepharoplasty on my upper and lower lids that changed my identity completely!! So be careful you that you choose a good dermal filler injector to correct the bleph!!

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