POSTED UNDER Facelift Reviews
High Hopes- Bangkok, Thailand
UPDATED FROM Sydney Sixty
6 months post
Six months = relief!
WORTH IT$7,000
Six months today since my surgery and there’s only one way to describe how I’m feeling - relieved!
Relieved because
- most of the feeling is back and the swelling has gone - pretty much back to 'normal'. I’ve not had any sharp ‘pings’ which I read are indicative of nerves reconnecting - but, I also read that this doesn't always happen and the nerves are healing anyway (which seems to be my experience).
- I was very fortunate with my choice of surgeon, Dr Komwit, in Bangkok. His skill achieved 3 important results for me as I approach my 62nd birthday: jowls gone, neck and jaw line tightened with loose skin gone, reduced lines around my eyes. I had every confidence in him and really appreciated his calm, gentle and professional approach.
- nothing went wrong. In retrospect, I realise that complications are a big risk and traveling overseas for surgery makeS this and/or revisions much harder. Naively, I didn’t give it a thought at the time :) This makes choice of Dr and hospital critically important. I got the very best of care at Bumrungrad Hospital - fabulously large, quiet room/suite, immediate responses to calls for assistance, all pre-surgery mark-ups cleaned from my face, even my hair washed (in bed!) the morning after surgery.
Things I didn’t know then…..but do know now (which might be helpful to others) - this is big surgery and I certainly needed 2 weeks ‘down time’ post surgery and months afterwards to get totally back to normal. I really don’t know how people manage to go back to work in a week or so - it was a month before I could even go to a brief work meeting (I work part time).
- I wouldn’t contemplate doing this without a general anaesthetic. Four and a half hours of surgery with local anaesthesia would have be unbearable (in my humble opinion).
- for me, it was the right choice to travel to Bangkok for the surgery. More important than the cost, it maintained my privacy and forced me to rest. The combo of a week in Bangkok and a week in Hua Hin worked perfectly for me. I did not need any extra support or anyone to organise things for me. I was easily able to ‘look after’ myself and walk the 5mins to Bumrungrad for follow up visits. (By the way, I really don’t understand the concept of cosmetic surgery ‘holidays’……. if you have facial surgery, you’re unlikely to feel up to doing much more than rest……and would need to be pretty tough to sight-see, shop etc!)
I was very ill-prepared which, in some ways, that was a good thing: I may not have had the courage to go ahead if I’d know how long the healing process took, the side effects - and what could go wrong.
- 3 months after my surgery, I was ready to travel to France for a month (including a week of cycling), then Singapore (for work) and then San Francisco for work and a wedding. All went fine except I noticed swelling at the end of each long and hot cycling day.
- there were SO many side effects. The initial things were obvious and expected e.g. swelling, bruising, not being able to chew/eat solid food, stitches. After that, I had a very tight neck for many weeks, wasn’t able to sleep on my side (or wear earrings) until about 3 months, it was uncomfortable to wear glasses for ages, and I had swelling (sometimes extreme) from salt (and exercise) until very recently. If I’d taken the salt issue more seriously from the beginning I believe I would've had a lot less discomfort in the early weeks.
- I put on weight due to not being able to exercise. This was quite hard for me - I could go for walks, of course, but cycling was impossible (I couldn’t turn my neck fully) and I’ve only just this week got back to lap swimming. I found the sedentary life hard in terms of boredom and emotional well being.
- with my Dr located overseas (even though he answered a couple of my email questions promptly), the Realself site was invaluable for reassurance re some of my healing questions and the support of members - thanks again to all!
Bottom line - was it worth it? Even though no-one noticed (apart from a few general comments re my hair and skin looking great) I feel better about my appearance......so, YES!
Relieved because
- most of the feeling is back and the swelling has gone - pretty much back to 'normal'. I’ve not had any sharp ‘pings’ which I read are indicative of nerves reconnecting - but, I also read that this doesn't always happen and the nerves are healing anyway (which seems to be my experience).
- I was very fortunate with my choice of surgeon, Dr Komwit, in Bangkok. His skill achieved 3 important results for me as I approach my 62nd birthday: jowls gone, neck and jaw line tightened with loose skin gone, reduced lines around my eyes. I had every confidence in him and really appreciated his calm, gentle and professional approach.
- nothing went wrong. In retrospect, I realise that complications are a big risk and traveling overseas for surgery makeS this and/or revisions much harder. Naively, I didn’t give it a thought at the time :) This makes choice of Dr and hospital critically important. I got the very best of care at Bumrungrad Hospital - fabulously large, quiet room/suite, immediate responses to calls for assistance, all pre-surgery mark-ups cleaned from my face, even my hair washed (in bed!) the morning after surgery.
Things I didn’t know then…..but do know now (which might be helpful to others) - this is big surgery and I certainly needed 2 weeks ‘down time’ post surgery and months afterwards to get totally back to normal. I really don’t know how people manage to go back to work in a week or so - it was a month before I could even go to a brief work meeting (I work part time).
- I wouldn’t contemplate doing this without a general anaesthetic. Four and a half hours of surgery with local anaesthesia would have be unbearable (in my humble opinion).
- for me, it was the right choice to travel to Bangkok for the surgery. More important than the cost, it maintained my privacy and forced me to rest. The combo of a week in Bangkok and a week in Hua Hin worked perfectly for me. I did not need any extra support or anyone to organise things for me. I was easily able to ‘look after’ myself and walk the 5mins to Bumrungrad for follow up visits. (By the way, I really don’t understand the concept of cosmetic surgery ‘holidays’……. if you have facial surgery, you’re unlikely to feel up to doing much more than rest……and would need to be pretty tough to sight-see, shop etc!)
I was very ill-prepared which, in some ways, that was a good thing: I may not have had the courage to go ahead if I’d know how long the healing process took, the side effects - and what could go wrong.
- 3 months after my surgery, I was ready to travel to France for a month (including a week of cycling), then Singapore (for work) and then San Francisco for work and a wedding. All went fine except I noticed swelling at the end of each long and hot cycling day.
- there were SO many side effects. The initial things were obvious and expected e.g. swelling, bruising, not being able to chew/eat solid food, stitches. After that, I had a very tight neck for many weeks, wasn’t able to sleep on my side (or wear earrings) until about 3 months, it was uncomfortable to wear glasses for ages, and I had swelling (sometimes extreme) from salt (and exercise) until very recently. If I’d taken the salt issue more seriously from the beginning I believe I would've had a lot less discomfort in the early weeks.
- I put on weight due to not being able to exercise. This was quite hard for me - I could go for walks, of course, but cycling was impossible (I couldn’t turn my neck fully) and I’ve only just this week got back to lap swimming. I found the sedentary life hard in terms of boredom and emotional well being.
- with my Dr located overseas (even though he answered a couple of my email questions promptly), the Realself site was invaluable for reassurance re some of my healing questions and the support of members - thanks again to all!
Bottom line - was it worth it? Even though no-one noticed (apart from a few general comments re my hair and skin looking great) I feel better about my appearance......so, YES!
UPDATED FROM Sydney Sixty
3 months post
3 months - worth waiting for…
This has been longest 3 months. Through all the doubts, discomfort, swelling, and general ups and downs it’s been a steep learning curve. Thanks (hugely) to all the words of wisdom and experience on this site, I held 3 months as a goal. Someone said that one of the ‘difficulties’ with facelift surgery is that it’s not instant gratification - you look and feel a lot worse before you feel and look better. You really do need a huge amount of patience and resilience.
Now that I’m here, I look back and all I can say is that I went into this bravely but naively. What I thought were the big things - like getting through the surgery, the scars healing, worrying about looking markedly different, post surgery problems - all passed uneventfully. The ‘little’ unexpected things have been tough……the ongoing swelling (less now and greatly helped by low salt diet), the numbness (still there but receding), forcing myself to rest, discomfort wearing glasses and earrings (only just ok now), sleeping on my side (at last I can), low energy and reduced physical activity, feeling self conscious (needlessly), having a haircut (ouch! - my hairdresser didn’t know/didn’t notice, maybe I should've told her?!), driving (limited neck mobility), sore eyes etc.
Feeling good now, and looking forward to going to France on Monday for 3 weeks. If I knew then what I know now, would I have done it? Tentatively, yes….I’ll know for sure when I get to 6 months!
Now that I’m here, I look back and all I can say is that I went into this bravely but naively. What I thought were the big things - like getting through the surgery, the scars healing, worrying about looking markedly different, post surgery problems - all passed uneventfully. The ‘little’ unexpected things have been tough……the ongoing swelling (less now and greatly helped by low salt diet), the numbness (still there but receding), forcing myself to rest, discomfort wearing glasses and earrings (only just ok now), sleeping on my side (at last I can), low energy and reduced physical activity, feeling self conscious (needlessly), having a haircut (ouch! - my hairdresser didn’t know/didn’t notice, maybe I should've told her?!), driving (limited neck mobility), sore eyes etc.
Feeling good now, and looking forward to going to France on Monday for 3 weeks. If I knew then what I know now, would I have done it? Tentatively, yes….I’ll know for sure when I get to 6 months!
Replies (5)

S
June 26, 2014
Sydney you look so very elegant & classy, your features including your nose are perfect & the whole 3 month package justs work & you look stunning. Can't wait to get there too & I agree the worst is the swelling. :-(

S
June 26, 2014
Oh and of course I wish you a wonderful time in France - a beautiful lady in a beautiful country :-)

SS
June 30, 2014
Thanks so much for all your good words shazza......must say, looking back, it's god to get to this stage at last. Feels like such a long time. I'm following your progress and re-living my earlier weeks through some of your experiences -:) Hope you're doing well......and looking forward to Vietnam!

S
June 30, 2014
Oh like you say Sydney, patience & steady as she goes - there is certainly no rushing this healing business :-) We will all get there in good time - and yes I am so looking forward to Viet nam, and spending time with my life long friend :-) Have big fun on your travels x
L
June 26, 2014
Sydney, thank you for the update. You look absolutely fantastic...beautiful lady. Your post so sounds like what I'm going through. Your neck looks great. Don't think mine will be as defined as yours; I can hope. I still have swelling. You're going to have a wonderful time in France...romantic county with a beautiful lady. Lilygirl

SS
June 30, 2014
Thank you so much .....interesting isn't it that we all seem to go through the same long, slow healing stages. Very predictable in hindsight and really no short cuts. I hope you'll be happy with your result.....remember that it sounds like you can't really know until 6 months. One of the things I'm most looking forward to about France (I'm en route in Hong Kong today) is 'forgetting' about my surgery for a while -:) All good wishes to you.....
L
June 26, 2014
Wow I was thinking of you today you look amazing thank you for the post

SS
June 30, 2014
Thank you......I think of all my fellow fl friends often too and it's so good to get updates! Hope you're doing well.......!
L
June 26, 2014
You look great. Your jawline is so well defined and you look so very sophisticated. Enjoy France. I am going on a cruise in just over a week and will have to have my late 3 monthly review on my return. Still can't sleep on my side yet but getting there. Thinking of having my eyes done and perhaps filler to the sides of my mouth. PS did say during consultation that my marionette lines were so deep I may need filler - sigh!! Once again have a great time.

SS
June 30, 2014
Hi! Thank you for your comments -:) Good to hear you've also got a trip to look forward to! I hope your 3 month review goes well and that you're happy with your results..........that it all settles and you don't need anything further. You'll really enjoy sleeping on your side again when you can.....! Have a wonderful trip,
K
June 28, 2014
Beautiful result, off to France, lucky you x

SS
UPDATED FROM Sydney Sixty
3 months post
Salt wars!!!
As the feeling and mobility is returns, I am even more aware of the discomfort of the ongoing swelling.
It took me all of 8 weeks to really understand the salt thing. I’m quite savvy re food - I love to cook, I eat healthy, I’m not overweight. I read so many times on this site about the link between salt and swelling and I thought I was reducing salt by not adding it and not eating obviously salted foods like nuts (except at 6 weeks when I totally forgot and had a major swelling incident after eating salted caramel ice-cream). But, duh, what I didn’t realise is how much ‘hidden salt’ there is in foods - especially many favourites I was eating regularly - cheese, smoked salmon, capers - even bread and milk. It’s easy, easy, easy to get to 1500mg a day.
I only finally got it when I read this fantastic response on Realself from Dr George Commons to “How long until swelling is 100% gone after a facelift?”
“Swelling is quick to dissipate 60 % in the first 2 weeks but then the long wait begins. Avoiding salt and sleeping with head elevated helps. Occasionally I recommend diuretics for a boost in swelling reduction. By 3 months most have 80% of swelling gone. Buy 6 months 85 to 90 % is gone. The last 10% can take most of a full year. There are huge differences in people. I have been amazed at how some swell so little and some so much. A GREAT TRICK is to go on a very low salt diet starting 2 weeks prior to surgery. Try to not go over 1500 mg per day. Read all labels. It is not easy. Once you have a load of Sodium aboard it takes 4 or 5 days to get rid of it. Remember the cause of swelling. Surgery disturbs your little lymphatics. There are zillions of these little vessels. Enough to stretch to the moon in one person. Until they reconnect and function, the surgically damaged tissue will hold fluid because of poor lymphatic drainage. When lymphs reconnect, swelling dissipates. You will be fine. Sodium is your enemy in the interim”.
For the last couple of weeks I’ve waged reduced salt drastically (plus drinking lots more water). The result is much less tightness and feeling less swollen and, even though probably not visible, it does make a difference and certainly feels better.
Hope this helps others too….
It took me all of 8 weeks to really understand the salt thing. I’m quite savvy re food - I love to cook, I eat healthy, I’m not overweight. I read so many times on this site about the link between salt and swelling and I thought I was reducing salt by not adding it and not eating obviously salted foods like nuts (except at 6 weeks when I totally forgot and had a major swelling incident after eating salted caramel ice-cream). But, duh, what I didn’t realise is how much ‘hidden salt’ there is in foods - especially many favourites I was eating regularly - cheese, smoked salmon, capers - even bread and milk. It’s easy, easy, easy to get to 1500mg a day.
I only finally got it when I read this fantastic response on Realself from Dr George Commons to “How long until swelling is 100% gone after a facelift?”
“Swelling is quick to dissipate 60 % in the first 2 weeks but then the long wait begins. Avoiding salt and sleeping with head elevated helps. Occasionally I recommend diuretics for a boost in swelling reduction. By 3 months most have 80% of swelling gone. Buy 6 months 85 to 90 % is gone. The last 10% can take most of a full year. There are huge differences in people. I have been amazed at how some swell so little and some so much. A GREAT TRICK is to go on a very low salt diet starting 2 weeks prior to surgery. Try to not go over 1500 mg per day. Read all labels. It is not easy. Once you have a load of Sodium aboard it takes 4 or 5 days to get rid of it. Remember the cause of swelling. Surgery disturbs your little lymphatics. There are zillions of these little vessels. Enough to stretch to the moon in one person. Until they reconnect and function, the surgically damaged tissue will hold fluid because of poor lymphatic drainage. When lymphs reconnect, swelling dissipates. You will be fine. Sodium is your enemy in the interim”.
For the last couple of weeks I’ve waged reduced salt drastically (plus drinking lots more water). The result is much less tightness and feeling less swollen and, even though probably not visible, it does make a difference and certainly feels better.
Hope this helps others too….
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L
June 4, 2014
Sydney, thank you for your post. I'm having trouble with the swelling. Some days are better than others. At 65, healing takes more time for me. You look beautiful and elegant. I love your hairstyle. Still R&R for me. Lilygirl14

SS
June 5, 2014
Thank you for the compliments .......this really does take time with ups and downs.....and takes patience. Especially for us older ones! Take care

S
L
June 4, 2014
Thank you for the tips u r so kind n caring for others

SS
L
June 5, 2014
Yes im booked for 26th august its getting closer time is flying by n im starting to get anxious but excited

S

S
L
June 4, 2014
Thanks for the tips. Swelling getting me down a bit too. I can't believe after looking at your before and after pictures that no one has noticed!

SS
June 5, 2014
Hi Linda.....hope you're doing ok....the swelling just goes on and on, doesn't it? Seems like it's worse for some than others. Yes, and still no one has noticed..... -:).

N
June 4, 2014
Sydney, Great tips on the salt and so true! It's hard for me to cut back as salt adds so much flavor to food but there are many alternative spices. When I start eating / cooking real food again I will keep it in mind. I'm adding at least two lemons a day to my diet as well as more coconut water. You looked beautiful before too and I love your dimples. I had dimples too but I think they left with my wrinkles? I do understand what you are saying about getting used to your new look. Of course it's too early for me to know but I have a feeling part of me will miss my old face. That's a strange thing to say isn't it? Your skin looks beautiful and I so appreciate that you are continuing to post. Life gets busy after recovery and it's hard to find the time to spend on Real Self. I try to remember it helps so many. Thank you again. Newbe

C
June 4, 2014
My dimple disappeared for the first two weeks with all the swelling, but came back once I looked more normal!

N
June 4, 2014
Time will tell cemlaw but mine had disappeared in my wrinkles anyway! Haha I'm getting stitches out today but oh my I can't imagine how that will feel. My poor ears are swollen and red. I'm taking a pain pill before I go. I'm such a light weight when it comes to pain. Why and how I managed natural childbirth is beyond me!

SS
June 5, 2014
Hi - good reminder about the lemons too, thank you! My dimples are coming back now (10 weeks) - I'll post another pic in a few weeks. I'm pleased I didn't 'lose' them. Thank you for the nice words - take care, hope you're healing well......

SS

SS
June 5, 2014
I hope the stitches came out painlessly - I expected mine to hurt but felt nothing (probably because it's numb?) Like you, I had 3 babies naturally.....this was way worse (in a different way!)

S
June 5, 2014
You are going to be just fine - you certainly no light weight on this site. Hope all your dreams come true because you give so much of your little self to all of us here on Real Self. Just want to say how much I appreciate every kind & considerate post you have made & that it means so very much when you feeling a bit down & out. We know we not alone xcx

S
June 5, 2014
A girl can never have to many dimples Sydney unless they on your thighs that is lol
L

S

N
June 5, 2014
Feel the same. Laughing better then crying! (Of course doing either hurts right now)

S
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