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Rhino Revision - The Hospital Group, Dr Araco & Basim Matti - United Kingdom, GB

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My initial reason for contemplating surgery was...

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My initial reason for contemplating surgery was that the injury I had suffered a broken nose during childhood (at around age 10 years). I was running, and had tripped and fallen face forwards onto the ground. I recall crying and screaming, experiencing a high level of pain in my face, and a very heavy nose bleed.

Some time after this incident, a large dorsal bump began to grow. Since I had gotten that injury, it had caused me so much distress and low self confidence, and in addition, many years of bullying had made me want to pursue the route of surgery. From my high school years all the way into my university years, I would hate anyone seeing my profile, and was highly self conscious. I wanted my nose to be the way it was before it was broken.

I chose to consult and book my first rhinoplasty with The Hospital Group Clinic in Manchester, with Dr Araco, and went on to have my operation in a private hospital in Bromsgrove, West Midlands in 2007. I felt that there was quite a cold atmosphere in this hospital, and the nurses were rather unhelpful and un-attentive. After I left theatre, I was under heavy anaesthesia, yet they did not even assist me to the bathroom, nor did they help me with my dental hygiene- bearing in mind I could barely move or stand by myself. The aftercare of this clinic/surgeon was very poor, having only received one text message after surgery- and that was after I had contacted the surgeon as I discovered several stitches had not been removed inside my nose. I had the stitches removed in the a local Hospital.

In 2011, I began to notice certain deformities in my nose. Friends of friends and strangers would approach me at this point and question me whether I had had surgery, or pass rude comments, or laugh. I was still dissatisfied with the aesthetic appearance and function of my nose, and was feeling emotionally tormented as people began to notice the deformities and comments. I had developed several deformities- asymmetry and a severely deviated septum (which cause limited breathing and air flow), asymmetry in the nostrils, a polly-beak deformity, bulbous tip, hanging columella, and weak bridge. I was unaware that I could possibly claim compensation for this, as I was fairly young. I had contacted my GP in 2010 regarding my concerns about breathing, and after being prescribed alternatives to surgery, I found that decongestants and nasal sprays were ineffective. I felt that a revision surgery was required, as this seemed to be my best option.

For my revision surgery in 2012, I consulted with Mr Basim Matti of Harley Street, London, which was £150.00 for the first consultation. I booked the revision rhinoplasty for June 13th 2012. During consultations, I informed Mr Matti that my two main concerns were that my septum was deviated and that I wanted it straightened, and I wanted my breathing difficulties to be resolved.

Mr Matti went on to suggest additional corrections needed to be made to my nose.
Mr Matti stated that the procedure would be known as a septoplasty, as it would be to improve my breathing. I consulted with him several more times before the operation. Before I could confirm my operation date I was told I had to get blood tests done which would cost £170.00. I chose to see my own GP for the tests, this cost me £120.00.

I found it highly stressful travelling back and forth to London by car and train for consultations and for my operation- of course, Mr Matti being a private surgeon, I was never reimbursed for my travel costs. I had left my job three weeks after my operation because of my vision (I am partially sighted) and because of the appearance of my nose, I could not bear people staring at me, and my anxiety was getting far worse- people at my workplace had began to talk about me, say that I “looked fake”, or point and laugh at me as I walked by. I informed my managers about my anxiety and depression, and I had such low confidence I could not bear going back there. I did struggle with paying for travel to London thereafter, but I sacrificed a lot for what I hoped would be my last operation.

The reason I chose Mr Matti was that it seemed he had quite a ‘good reputation’ for revision rhinoplasty, and I was willing to travel to London as I had hoped this revision would be the resolution to all my problems with my nose.

My revision operation was in June 2012, and it was scheduled for around 10:30am. My mother waited patiently with me, as my operation had been postponed by 3-4 hours. When I came out of theatre, due to the anaesthetic, I kept drifting in and out of consciousness. I woke to find my mother looking at me with a concerned expression, and 2-3 nurses kept coming in and out of the room. Blood was running down my neck from inside my nose/head, a heavy flow- like ‘water from a tap’. The nurses kept changing the bandage underneath my nose as the blood was coming through the bandage. I was initially going to be a day case, but due to complications, I was kept in hospital overnight.

The next day I was given painkillers, extra bandages, and ointment for cleaning the nose. (Months later I was billed for an ‘outstanding fee’, but I contacted the hospital and informed them I was supposed to be a day case, and was kept overnight due to complications, had paid for my hotel room the same night £95.00 at The Ibis Hotel), therefore, they waived the fee). The afternoon post-op, I returned to the Ibis Hotel Euston to rest, as the next day I would be returning to Manchester by train.

Around three days after my operation, I was still getting used to sleeping upright (surgeons recommend sleeping sitting up, and not leaning forwards to prevent blood clotting in the nose/face). My mother helped me with personal care and medication (as she had done with my first operation), and insisted on sleeping near me that night. I woke at 3am and told her I was going to be sick. From 3am up until 9am, I vomited around 20 times, and it was so painful, since I could not even lean forwards to wretch in the pail.

My mother phoned Dr Matti and he suggested I travel to London so he can do a check-up. I could barely move I was so ill! He claimed that it must be an allergic reaction to the painkillers (Clarithromycin) which Matti and the Cromwell Hospital prescribed. He instructed my mother to get a different medicine from the chemist, but instead, she phoned the ambulance, and I was admitted to the Central Manchester University Hospital’s A&E unit. I was so dehydrated, and lost so much fluid from my body they could not locate a thick enough vein to give me an injection. I was on a drip for around 9 hours and had to keep drinking fluids before I could return home. I was so weak and feeling so scared. I remember thinking about the blood loss from my head and the severity of my vomiting, thinking that I might die because of the complications after the operation.

It has now been over a year and 5 months since my operation, I still have asymmetry in my nose- which is visible from the front view, and both side profiles are different. My nostrils are uneven- one is so small I can barely clean inside it, and if I attempt to, the nostril skin tears. My deviated septum is now visible through this nostril, thus making it even more obvious I have had surgery. The sides of my nose have sunken in after the swelling has gone, and now gives an unattractive depressed, ‘sunken’ or hollowed out appearance to my nose (the excess skin may be hanging inwards to block airflow through the nose). The tip of the nose is too upturned, and unnatural looking, which has resulted in a “piggy nose” appearance. One of my nostrils is like a right angle, where the other is at an obtuse angle- the nostrils are not even or symmetrical on either side. I experience; frequent nose bleeds, sinus pain, severe headaches, mucus blockage, pain when wearing spectacles (I also find them too heavy on the bridge), a foul odour inside my nose (which may be infection or sutures), and at night I stop breathing. I have tried to use decongestants, but this is ineffective. I struggle to have a good night’s sleep and have to keep tossing and turning in effort to breathe, so I can sleep comfortably. I try to breathe through my mouth, but perhaps one nostril I could breathe through for a short period, then I wake up gasping for air. I feel as though my heart stops when I am drifting into a deep sleep. The second operation was supposed to resolve my breathing issues, and I cannot explain how angry and frustrated I am. Furthermore, I am attending counselling, as I am suffering severe anxiety and depression, and it is an understatement to say that I am completely heartbroken. My doctor has prescribed me Lustral tablets (50mg) for my anxiety and depression. It has gotten to the stage that I have left my job, become reclusive, and rarely have the courage to leave my own home for tasks as simple as grocery shopping.

I hate to look at my appearance in the mirror, I feel Mr Matti has not fulfilled what he said he would achieve in the operation. It is now more obvious to others I have had surgery on my nose, and people frequently tilt their head, talk about it, laugh or snigger when they realise. I can honestly say, this has completely affected my life experience in such a negative way- emotionally, mentally, and socially. It is even affecting my marriage.

I have been back at least 4 times to see Mr Matti. After I would consult with him post-op, he would tend to use a lot of ‘flattery’ in his speech (compliments and such, which I am sure he does with many of his patients to create a positive perception of the surgeon), and kept asking me if I wouid write a positive recommendation on online surgery forums. I decided to wait at least a year before I decided how I truly felt about the results of my operation. Many people do not realise that the first few weeks/months after a rhinoplasty, there is still some swelling, thus it is not really a valid representation of the final outcome of the operation.

I recently went to see Mr Matti (July 2013), with my husband. I told Matti I am still very unhappy with my nose – the appearance still being asymmetrical, my nostrils are uneven, my septum blocking my nostril, and my breathing difficulties. He was dismissive, (and I understand he has other patients), but I felt as though tried to hurry me out of his office. He reviewed photos of a 3/4 view of one side of my nose and said it is an improvement (but did not show other photos). He suggested I use a nasal splint called ‘Breathe Right’, which I could buy at my local chemist… this really irritated me, as the main reason for the operation was to correct my breathing. He said it was probably seasonal allergies, and that the swelling would subside after 6 more months (in total 19 months after the operation)- but he said there is only a little swelling on the right side of the tip (this is nothing to do with the side that is blocked). During the most recent consultation, I explained to him the trauma I am experiencing, and he said “it’s all in my head”, and suggested I get counselling, and that he could recommend a counsellor for me.

I am a young woman and all I wanted is a natural looking nose, like I had when I was younger. I have completely lost all of my joy of living life, lost my confidence, and am looking to get my last revision (God willing) by perhaps a US surgeon- I am looking at Anil Shah or Sam Rizk. I have also been told Araco and Matti have been sued many times before!!!!!! be careful if you are considering them! I consulted with Tim Woolford and he wouldnt touch my nose he said :( !

Cost of my primary rhino by Dr Araco = around £5k

Secondary (revision) by Matti = around £9k

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November 19, 2014
I was considering going to Matti for revision rhinoplasty, but after reading your experience, I will find another surgeon. I understand Charles East is especially good with rhinoplasty.
February 4, 2015
I think your surgery with Bassim Matti is a vast improvement from what I can see, I think it suits your face proportionally. Will
February 4, 2015
I've just viewed more of your pics, I think your nose is an amazing result, not at all 'piggy' - it looks very natural, if people are looking at you, it's certainly not for negative reasons!
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February 19, 2015
I really love your nose after Dr Matti's work. I really want mine done I just cant afford it :( I have heard positive things about him and want to go with him but it is just the price! But I guess its better to wait and save and get a good job done rather than a cheaper job and then have to go through revision like you :( Thanks for your review, it has been very informative!
February 19, 2015
Hi Willowfran, I'm also looking for a surgeon, I've heard Tim Woolford is very good, and listed in Tatler, I'm also considering David Roberts at the nose clinic
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February 19, 2015
Yes I have considered Tim Woolford! Also James Murphy I have looked into - have you seen his work? Its such a hard choice deciding between them. Have you been to any consultations?
February 19, 2015
I was considering Ian Mackay at first as he was at the top of his game, but unfortunately, he has now retired. I'm keen to meet with TM or DR, as they specialise in rhinoplasty and do hundreds of them each year. I saw one of Tims photos of a girl, and it was pretty impressive and he clearly has a good eye, but I haven't seen Davids photos, I think they show you at the consultation. Like I said, Tim is listed in Tatler as best for noses, and David Roberts worked with Ian Mackay who was also listed in Tatler, but I need to meet with them, as I want to see some examples of male rhinoplasty. They are both ENT specailists with extensive experience of both function and aesthetic, and I think David Roberts might even teach rhinoplasty, as may Tim Woolford. My other consideration is Alex Karidis, although he's not an ENT specialist, I've heard he's quite good at noses.I haven't seen James Murphy's work, but I will check him out. I will probably see 3 different surgeons for consultations.
March 26, 2015
March 26, 2015
I just recently got my rhinoplasty done, as from what i can see is huge improvement for me, my nose never looked this good, like a normal looking nose, indeed it never looked any good at all before surgery. Today was my follow up appointment, so swelling still there, hope it will get even better for good. Dr.Tim Woolford takes his time, he has a v gentle, much pleasant n v calm personality as compared to Dr.Basim Matti. Dr.Tim Woolford takes his time even in follow up appointment, he is v down to earth n humble, even being such a great n well known surgeon. Besides surgery in Manchester was much cheaper cause my home is not v far from Manchester, whereas London is v expensive, busy n always in rush.
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November 22, 2013
I am very sorry you had to go through all this suffering. It's so sad to read your story. I hope you find the surgeon that fix your nose and breathing issues. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Please keep us posted.
December 5, 2013
don't be sad! dont wanna make anyone feel sad! Just pray for me please, that I get this thing fixed :) x
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November 22, 2013

Thank you so much for sharing your experience on RealSelf!

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November 28, 2013
heya, im sorry to hear you had such a bad experience and are in so much distress, i am currently looking at getting a revision rhinoplasty, and was considering matti to do my revision its hard to find surgeons of renown as 'plastic's surgery is still a taboo subject ...your results dont look bad to me, but then i had a more extreme nose to start, something that you might find useful tho, is after my first surgery i have been in pain with migranes, jaw ache sinus pain, ear infections, and i consulted with a maxilliofacial surgeon because i thought i presented with long face syndrome and it was from my teeth,he agreed but said it was so slight not worth surgery, he then said he thinks the real problem were my sinuses and referred me to an ENT for sinus pain, possible nasal polyps and sinusitis.....my gp missed the fact that i was in real pain because i had had a nose job, but the truth is your sinus goes very far back deep into your skull and if you have allergies, sinus issues you may breathe thru your mouth and have a large nose, but the exterior is ...just the exterior...its mainly a hole...and then your sinuses are vast depths behind this, it sounds like your symptoms could be nasal polyps...halitosis and yuky discharge, sinus pain, sleep apnea...i recommend insisting that your gp refer you to an ear nose throat specialist for possible sinusitis and nasal polyps....they will know more about heads than your gp... and wont dismiss your concerns like my gp did, im just starting a course of antibiotic anti inflammatory for sinuses and using albas oil...and the pain and pressure has eased off, the albas oil went right to the back of my throat - its never done that before! thats how swollen they were in side, and now i feel annoyed that people made me feel i deserved to be in pain. good luck! x Rose x
June 3, 2015
thank you Rose for your message x i asked my dr about an ent referral but they havent done much... when i saw charles east he had a good look inside my nose and gave me a prescription for hayfever season to help my breathing more xx
December 3, 2013
Wow I'm so sorry..hope everything works out! you're still pretty
December 5, 2013
don't say sorry it's not your fault. Just wish these c*nty surgeons would be sorry enough to refund me all my money. x
January 9, 2014
Hi, sorry to hear about your experience. Could you please let me know if you got any refund ?
June 3, 2015
no refund xx
September 13, 2015
I am trying to get a refund from Dr Matti too!
April 20, 2015
I see the slight assymetry, but honestly I don't think it looks bad at all! I think you look beautiful!
June 3, 2015
thank you i have to learn that myself lol xx hope ur ok
December 14, 2017
Its not perfect and i understand your breathing issues as i suffer too but are you sure your not being paranoid about people laughing at you as i doubt other people would even pay attention was expecting a right awful mess from your description till i seen pics
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Second Revision: Consults & Research - USA Moderators: Moderator, PN, Jojo1

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So I continue in my rhinoplasty journey and have been doing a little bit of research on the top US revisionists - Gruber, Frankel, Shah, and a few others.

I have emailed Frankel my story and photos so I am waiting for his opinions by email.
I am considering paying the amount of around $150 to get an opinion from Gruber and for telephone consultations.
I had a consultation via Skype booked with Shah for 6:45pm, but that was delayed until around 10pm, now I have to wait until 11:30pm (UK time) so thought I'd come on here an kill some time! (and to avoid falling asleep)

So nervous guys!
I am due two eye operations in the New year, and I am HOPING I could get this rhino-septoplasty revision done around August 2014. It will be my first time visiting the US so I have a lot to prepare myself for!

Adding more pics so you can see how badly Matti messed it up!

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December 11, 2013
Hi Bubblegum2013, I am toying between Shah and Matti. I need a very slight refinement, like jiggly puff on real self. What you said about Matti has terrified me a bit! What is your impression of Shah?
December 11, 2013
well hun, i dont think matti is that great with revisions. maybe for a primary he would be "ok". but i cant only really comment on his revision skills- which i think are nothing spectacular. I have heard Tim Woolford in Manchester is a good doc, he is also an ENT so he will know about the function and the nose would look nice. Research it though. Not all surgeons have 100% positive reviews. I consulted with him but he wouldnt touch my nose- prob not skilled enough for a difficult revision. Shah seems ok still researching though xx