radiofrequency nightmarish United Kingdom, GB

I am devastated. I would like to take this matter further legally. I am hoping I can find a lawyer who will do so. I will need fat graft to correct the indentations as is the advice of a plastic surgeon. However compensation would go a long way to helping to pay for this. Thanks for your comment.

First things first , this is most important , Leave the damaged areas alone for at least a year , You just might see some improvement and then after the year look at fat transfer or PRP injections then . That's the only 2 treatments that can help fix this , everything else would be a waste of time and money

Thank you for your advice. Why do I need to leave it for a year? I was hoping to have corrective treatments in about 6 months?

Hi . I was in the same boat as you a year ago . I got filler put in one of the dents after 6 months . 0% improvement , the other dent I left alone about 20% improvement . There you go , stay away from fillers , they could also make things worse ,

Did you have a radiofrequency treatment prior to the fillers? I think this is a crime that people can use these machines and get away with it. I will leave my face until it is ready. Sad I have to consider corrective fat graft at my age!

No , I had Vbeam laser treatment for facial redness , done by a doctor
All these devices are the same . its Russian Roulete with your face and that's why they get us to sign a consent form . Its not like going to the dentist

Please don't do fat grafting. Your body may see the fat as a foreign material and attack it (look up medical articles on 'lipogranulomas'). It will also stick to your soft tissue and cause it to sag. If you must do something, try mesotherapy (it's definitely not a quack treatment) or a light hyaluronic acid filler. Regardless, the indentation on the side of the face is too superficial to be treated with fat.

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Thanks for the advice , its great to hear from someone who's been there and done it , You are 100% correct about the indentation is too superficial to be treated with fat . I got filler injected superfically into the indentation , waste of time , it plumped it up for about 2-3 days , then it went back to the way it was .
Whats yours thoughts on the filler to be injected deeper into the indentation ?
(light hyaluronic acid filler ) .

Have you had a fat graft. It is something I hope to avoid. The indentations don't bother nearly as much as the fat loss though. I don't want to look gaunt and ill. I am looking into alternatives to treat my condition. Thank you for your advice.

I'm so sorry to hear about this. I had tripollar Rf done at what I believe was too hot on my face almost two years ago. The fat is gone from my temples and upper cheeks and I have a hollowness that's still hard to get used to. I've done prp and will continue doing it because it's the only thing that seems to help. My skin texture is now far worse after 2 years, and I have experienced massive hyperpigmentation. If you have any solutions you come across, please keep me/us posted. I hope we all find a way to fix this!

Sorry to hear this... Yet another person with the same story. It's a crime! Do you have prp injections or micro needling? How long after the treatment did you get it done?

Hi
So you have done PRP , How has it helped you regarding the fat loss ?

Hi
I have been reading a lot of people's stories on here the last few days . You read one and it leads to another , They are all in the same boat of us looking for the solution to fix this. And you what there is 0 proper solution available to fix .
Any person that filler done , me included only complained about it and the same with Fat transfer that it did'nt last or it caused more problems than they had it before .
Basically we are up the creek without a paddle .
Also Fat taken from your body is totally different than the fat in your face , problems problems . I see others on here telling people to eat this and take that , well thats a joke , How can food or vitamins fix something that has been wiped out and destroyed ,
Cut a long story short we need newer options , maybe 5 years down the line there just might be one .

We also need one of the doctors on here . to make it personal and help us . It cant all be about money , If there is fixes for laser damage , please prove it and show us . Aussie Dermatologist David Lim . someone like him , I would trust 100% .
He does a lot of videos and he knows his stuff inside and he seems to want to genuinely help people .

You are right. There should be more outspoken doctors on the whole subject.

How dreadful! Sorry to hear this. It is a truly horrific experience. How much did prp help? How soon after the treatment did you have it? Have things started improving? I am very angry that this market?

I put off the PRP for now . To be honest I cant see it doing anything for the indentations because it does'nt add volume , and that's what we are after .
Plastic surgeon told me this and if it was going to do anything it needed to be done straight away after the damage , and not over a year later - so whats the point doing it . And again there's not one person on here to say it helped their indentations caused by laser damage .

I have had prp injections. I had them done a year after, and now I'm doing a session of 3, each 2.5 months apart to see if it helps. I still find myself in disbelief that this machine managed to melt my cheeks away. Here's hoping we manage to find a permanent solution to get what we had back. For me, the cheek loss and skin texture are impossible to get used to. What a mistake

I would say sort of, or maybe it's just what I want to see. I think it helped but my face doesn't really like like what it did before the RF. I find that my cheeks and temple area still look flat. I wish I knew how to get them back

I know. I have experienced grief over losing my face. I am trying to stop torturing myself by looking at photos of me before the treatment. I am also trying to breathe my way through the anger I feel to the practices who did this to me. I had been a client of hers for 5 years prior to this but since this she has been rude and aggressive and won't refund my money or even release my personal information such as consent forms or photos. At the moment I am trying to address healing my face. Did prp help with the volume? This is such a traumatic experience. Thanks for your input.

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Thanks for joining in our conversation , the bigger our network becomes on this matter the better . You suffered fat loss from the RF treatment . Was it more the fatpads or did you suffer from indentations also .
PRP Injections did you suffer any side effects , In other words is it harmless ?
Again I really appreciate and value your views because you have been there and done it , because like yourself we are looking to try PRP but we don't want to make matters worse then they already are . We are all skating on thin ice here mentally .

Haha yes indeed skating on thin ice, mentally. I have been through some very tough times and this is up there, as one of the worst. It's terribly unfair to go in for what I thought was a treat/facial and to be stripped of your face and confidence. Very long term effects. I am still struggling daily. I also appreciate any input or advice and frankly through I am saddened other people are going through similar, I am glad to have people I can chat with.

Packets of Cigarettes come with graphic health warnings now . How come when we sign the consent form to do these treatments we don't get the same graphic images of what can happen . How many people would actually go ahead with the treatment then if that was the case . Id say very few if any .

Do you have a lot of knowledge of this machine? I just wanted to boost my skin and she recommended this treatment. I have a plastic surgeon who confirms that I am experiencing fat atrophy. I do believe the woman who runs the salon is greedy and would sell that treatment to anyone. I would like to make it public but I am so embarrassed by what has happened. I hope it can't destroy fat cells as thateans some of my former cheeks can return. I would like some compensation from this clinic as I will need corrective treatments. I am petrified for the coming months. I am looking for lawyers to take this case on but it could be hard to argue as I signed a consent form which the clinic will not release to me. Thanks for your response.

I am a licensed Aesthetician at a Dermatologists' office in the US and we do offer services with this machine. This treatment is for people who have excess skin and fat on the face, neck and body. It is a great treatment for people who tend to get that "turkey neck", which you obviously don't have, so I'm wondering why in the world someone would recommend this treatment to you, since in your before photos, you did not have any of these issues that would've benefited from the tightening treatment. If you had come into our office for a consultation I never would've suggested this as a treatment option for you. If you were just trying to help to boost collagen production, there are other treatments that you are much better suited for and you would've been much happier with the result. I am very sorry this happened to you. I do hope that you are able to get compensated for the damages you are suffering at the hands of someone so inexperienced.

Thank you for your reply. It seems I am for the long haul with this. The clinic have not responded to my written complaint as the said they would. I am investing what action I can take against them. At the same time dealing with this trauma as my face is starting to look noticeably thinner. They must of used the machine wrong to have caused this damage. I am hoping for prpI hoping it is not too late for prp to undo some of the damage.

You said you been to see 3 doctors who do PRP . Where they plastic surgeons ?
Did they say they could fix it with filler ? . Because they all say that , only problem with that is I have yet to see one genuine person on here that said filler fixed their dents / indents etc etc . Thoughts ?

As I said before whats the Gold standard treatment for fixing fat loss from laser damage ? . Because there isn't any , There's no articles or study's about it .
Funny thing is its been going for the last 10-15 years .
It seems no one cares about laser damage victims . terrible

No they were very honest, in saying that prp may and could help with the damage but that it will not replace the lost volume. I am prepared to do anything to try and prevent further damage. I think I will consider a fat graft in the future.

It's unbelievable...Which is why I fell for the lies pre treatment.

Im booked in to do PRP treatment next Wednesday . Another reason why I AM TRYING THIS , because Ive yet to see anyone on here say they ended up worse off over doing it . unlike fillers or fat transfer , where I have read a lot of horror stories about those .

Yes prp can do no harm. I know fat graft has its risks but I am struggling to come to terms with my new face. It's not a decision I can make now anyway. Well it seems like fat graft or fillers is the only thing that can replace volume. Sadly not a great choice.

PRP may help with the damage , that's what I was told also . So we are on the same page , so its worth trying

Or learn to live with the way I look now.....and hope it has stopped changing

We are guinea pigs because you could say its nearly 1 in a million of the population going around with dents beause of lasers

You could wait and see how the PRP goes for me , whether its going to be a waste of time or not , save you the hassle and money

I am not waiting any longer for something that might help prevent it from getting worse. I already have wasted money in that awful clinic, with that awful woman who I once trusted. I have been blind and stupid regarding her. She does all the controversial treatments like threads and injections around the eyes. She is also being spiteful as she will not release my photos or consent forms to me. In her response she said she is not responsible for me disliking the outcome of the treatment. She also knows I will have to go to court to get an order for her to release my own information. However witholding my information is a crime. I think this woman is well versed in being a crook. I will look to take her to court myself. Hehe even thinking of going on judge Rinder.

Fair enough . At least the doctor who done the vbeam with me owned up and accepted responsibility , For that I have no ill feeling towards him because he done the right thing . The person you are dealing with sounds like pure thrash ,

Wow! You got admission? Did they give you your money back? That is all I have really asked from her. If she had said sorry and given me my money back I would of left it at that. However since her behaviour stinks, I have every intention to do what I can do take her to court and inform people of her awful practice. She says she has enough evidence with my before and after photos to protect herself. She has never examined face properly following the treatment. She certainly hasn't seen me in the last two months. I think she is bluffing. Using the theory the more hoops I have to jump through will make me give up and go away. She is mistaken there. Also I suspect she is reading this as she commented on her awareness time posting in social media.

No money back but he has covered both plastic surgeons consultation fees and what ever treatment I end up doing . His brother tried to fix one of the dents with Filler , it was injected superficially , waste of time - worked for about 2 days .
Filler needs to be injected deep if its going to work at all .
But where's the evidence it works for dents /indents ? . I have yet to see any but they all talk about it as a potential fix , and this baffles me

Omg I am very impressed with how they have handled your case so far. I am still reeling from the poor treatment of myself. I was a regular good client of hers for 5 years prior to this. Part of why I was easily convinced that this treatment could not damage me. She is lying about it now saying that she informed me of all I needed to know pre treatment. This is a Blatant lie, but how to prove it?

Thank you for letting me

Letting me know. I will look into this. However I am sure you can understand that I am very nervous of new machines at the moment.

Same here . But its another option we have to give us hope for full recovery , instead of just having all our eggs in one basket with fat transfer .
Ive already had my appointment with a plastic surgeon about fat transfer and its not a pretty picture , it should be last resort .
Before Xmas I will be seeing another one about PRP injections , see what they have to say .
All this takes time to find the best and safe treatment so not to make matters worse . We don't want that .
Yes that other laser is new but this time next year we will know a lot more about it whether its another false dawn or not .

Yes, and thanks it helps to discuss this with someone who is in similar boat. I also have fears regarding fat transfer and I am hoping to find other treatments as well. I am definitely going to go ahead with prp therapy, I am just wondering how long before I go ahead with it. It is such a healing therapy That I think I will go ahead with it in about a months time. Then wait to see about this new laser. Perhaps I could make do with a bit of filler at a later date when healing g has taken place. It's so hard to explain to people that I had this treatment done and now all I want is to look like I did before I had it. I just want to look like me!

Exactly .
Its hard to find real genuine people on this site . I believe half the posts on here are fake , I have tried to contact several people who said they have had great success with certain treatments and not one of them got back to me .
Getting back to the PRP , Hopefully I will have some news this week . Stay away from filler of any sort because it could cause a shadow around one side of the indent , and that will drive you insane , happened to me it and took 8 months for it to go away .
Filler is not a solution for these type of dents . Many people have said the same thing about the shadow also and the fact it didn't work .

Hi ,how are things ?
I have a PRP appointment on Wednesday , Just ticking all the boxes for treatments . I personally believe that the Recosma laser is going to be one big let down , so that box is all ready ticked . One person on here had 4 treatments done for much smaller dents than we have , not impressive at all , I was wondering why the treatments were so cheap , there you go .

Thanks for the heads up. I have prp booked next week. Let's hope and pray it helps our problems. Good luck with yours. Let me know how it goes.

I had my appointment today and the Plastic Surgeon says PRP injection works best when the injured area has been more recent that's your scenario .
Where as mine happened a year ago , so its 50/50 with me .
He also talked to me about getting a filler put in , but injected properly deep into the under layers , that's the only way it will work ,
I got it done the other way ,not deep and it turned out to be a complete waste of time . and that's what caused a shadow to form on one side of it also , so double the pain
So I will have time to reflect on all of this and call back to him after xmas .
Very good Surgeon no [RS bleep] from him and knows his stuff inside out .

Are you in England? I am wanting recommended surgeons. I am hoping prp helps but it is already 3 months post. Noticed a worsening ofvmy eye hollows and a duvet appearing on left eye so unhappy. I had thought I had seen some improvement but my friend says face is the same so I guess I must just be getting used to it. I am still hoping to get legal advice and praying prp works!

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I am in Ireland . UK / England would be much more advanced than little Ireland , nearly 15 times the population , The guy I saw says some scar tissue underneath the dent will form over time , and that's why the sooner you get started on the PRP the better , If only I had of known that this time last year ,
You learn as you go along , always the way with these things .
My case now is 14 months since it happened , Your's is 3 months .
Book appointed soon as you can with someone , and see what they have to say on this matter .
Approach the Clinic and asked them to pay for the PRP treatment .

Sarah -I had the same thing happen years ago, before Dr's really understood Thermage. My point: Whether you choose fat transfer, prp, another laser, or how long to wait -Sweetly, I say: STOP THINKING about anything but finding a Doctor who specializes in "Reconstruction" then do exactly as (s)he says. Stop researching -it'll make you depressed (no anti-depressive will help unless you fix the underlying problem, the source of your depression). With technology the way it is -your problem is completely fixable. Probably to the point where you might like the "fix" better than your old face. Trust I'm right, exhale, and let it go. Smiles from LosAngeles

Thank you, that is just what I needed to hear. Would you pm how you finally decided on who treated your face? Thanks for your response, I am so glad you seem happy now.

A doctor who "specializes in Construction " . How many of them are out there ?

In America, a lot of, or actually most, plastic surgeons and dermatologists will not see patients who have been damaged by lasers or similar treatments, because they don't want to be called as a witness for a lawsuit against the initial person who caused the damage.

Not many but they do exist. Definitely some in the states but I can't afford that.

Sadly moat seem geared towards breadt reconstruction. I guesstbis laser damage is still a relatively new phenomenon and I don't think everyone who suffers it report s or looks into surgery to fix it. Not many surgeon s have enough experience to fix laser damage. In fact there are not many surgeon s who are very skilled in face micrografting. The search continues but I am following a few leads. I

There may be hope for us yet , Google " Allofill "

Thanks will have a look

Check out this video on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?=xpNY973xAkM
I posted a couple of comments on it , We need to get the ball rolling here , We need to be heard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpNY973xAkM

https://youtu.be/xpNY973xAkM

None of these links work ... type in the search box on youtube
" scar-free wound regeneration - UC Irvine "

Very impressive , we need it now though - not in 3 or 5 years time

Because the Treatments we got at the moment ( Dermal fillers + fat transfer) - Simply just wont cut it , chances are , they are going to make things worse ,and the way we are all now mentally we just cant take that risk .

I can't click on the link. What are your concerns regarding a fat transfer Dave? I realise results can be unpredictable but I hear if you find the right surgeon you stand a good chance of improvement.

Endymed radiofrequency machine

Thanks and sorry...you're still beautiful though if it means anything!!

It means a lot. I am struggling to come to terms with this. I don't want to leave my house or see anyone who knows me. Thank you

Actually I just realized my latest photos aren't showing yet. I look awful in them. I literally have no cheeks left

They are further down this thread

Wake up . She did mention it , its been mentioned numerous times .

My latest photos are a shocker

I Printed them off and have sent these articles to the Plastic Surgeon I was seeing about PRP Injections . There was one photo of a massive indent ( much bigger than ours ) , Totally filled in after micro needling + PRP .

Wow sounds good. I need to look into this. I had a consultation with doctors who inject prp yesterday and they said I have the face of a top athlete as in no fat on the sides of face. The.volume loss is much apparent in person than in photos. I have high hopes for prp. Only wish I could of had it done sooner. Thanks once again for your comments.

Ps I agree they are scumbags . Very greedy people who will do anything for money! I have not heard from this clinic again although she promised a response by now. I am seeking advice on how to get my money refunded. I also would like to expose this treatment and clinic. I am just waiting for legal advice. I am considering contacting the press....botched bodies etc. Although I am not sure I want to be on the telly, the people who are refusing to acknowledge this should be made accountable. The owner told an outright lie to me when she promised me this machine could not affect the fat in my face. I feel very stupid for believing her!

I am losing a lot of volume. Prp probably won't be the only treatment I will need. Fat graft looking likely, or fillers I am not sure which is the lesser of two evils here? If I could find a surgeon I trusted I am inclined towards fat graft. What do you think about fat grafting?

Contact your countries version of the FDA or in Australia TGA

Did you get it done? What was your experience like?