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AS SEEN ON BOTCHED!!! My TT Journey with Necrosis, Debridement, Holes & a Wound Vac... oh my! - Temecula, CA

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This has to have been the scariest surgery for me,...

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321 Katina
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This has to have been the scariest surgery for me, why.... cause I chose to have it! Thank goodness for the valium the night before, otherwise I'm sure I wouldn't have slept a wink.

My surgery was scheduled first thing in the morning, yay, so I wouldn't have all day to be scared, anxious, excited... scared some more. lol We show up to the place where the TT is to be performed & I'm taken back to change & have my IV put in. The lady doing my IV stuck me and said she hit a brick wall (ouch) so she was going to try my other hand. She stuck me in my other hand and said the same thing, wiggled the needle around inside (yah, that felt great) and said that she thinks shes got it. She put a whole bunch of tape on it cause it wasn't dripping right. Then they called my husband back. My IV stopped dripping completely so I asked him to let one of the nurses know, she came over (checked nothing) and said that it wasn't supposed to be because its turned off. Wrong! Anyhow, so then they have hubby leave cause its time to wheel me into the surgery room. As they're wheeling me back the nurse tells the anesthesiologist that we may have a problem with my IV and he says that he can't have a bad IV and that he may need to change it out. Once in the operating room and on the operating table the anesthesiologist starts wiggling my IV around to try to get it working right. He wrapped it around my ring finger and I remember looking up at it and seeing that it wasn't dripping consistently and wanting to just get up & leave. That's the last thing I remember.

I woke up in recovery, everything was great! They said they were going to call my hubby to come & pick me up. YAY! And then it happened.... I started feeling like I couldn't breathe. The nurse tried to reassure me that I couldn't breathe because I had a binder on me... wrong! Then the coughing started. At first I had them hand me tissues to spit what I was coughing up into. It was blood. By the time hubby got there I was couching and spitting the blood into the bowl & they had me on oxygen. Even with the oxygen at 10 my O2 saturation was only at 85! They gave me a breathing treatment and morphine (not sure why they gave me that). A nurse came by and asked the other nurse why I was so sleepy and she said she didn't know why. Then she asked me & I said cause she gave me morphine! The anesthesiologist came in to show me a breathing exercise to make my O2 saturation jump up. He said, now watch the screen, its crazy how much its going to go up. Every time I did it (which he had me do it like 5 times) my O2 saturation dropped.... whoops. Looks like that didn't work! After a while I was able to breathe on my own & released that Friday afternoon / evening.

Once home I couldn't eat much but I made sure I was taking all my pills and still the injections of lovenox (ouch those hurt & I was so glad when I was done with them!). The only pill giving me any issue was the gel capsule antibiotic. It kept irritating my throat and causing me to cough (btw, coughing after surgery is not only not suggested, its really painful!). We called my doc and she said that we could break open the capsule and put it in food but that didn't work, it tasted horrid! Saturday I was doing good, talking on the phone, walking around the house and sleeping in the automatic recliner. Sunday I couldn't breathe again. :( We called the doc and she wanted us to go to the emergency room at the affiliated facility of where I had my procedure done, but I really didn't want to go. I sat for a while on the toilet (just sitting there) and it seemed that sitting in a more upright position, I was actually able to breathe. Come to find out that sitting reclined back in the recliner when I had possible fluid in my lungs / chest probably wasn't a good thing! lol Never had a breathing problem after that!

Went to my first PO appointment where I almost fainted when the doc removed my binder! lol Its so weird to have it removed at first. I suggest laying down at least that first time when they remove it.

Not really sure when I actually got diagnosed with the necrosis but the doc knew pretty much at the first PO appointment that there may be an issue, it was just a matter of my body struggling and the affected area really declaring itself.

Its been a barrage of doctors appointments ever since.

I made it a personal goal of mine that I would not ask for either of my drains to be removed because my doctor told me that I would have them for 6-8 weeks due to my TT being such a large one (almost 12 pounds removed). On July 15th one drain was removed, the doctor also removed the tape (I wasn't allowed to shower so it wasn't coming off on its own) and after consulting with her peer, she did some debridement which is when my first hole appeared.

After more debridement that hole became much bigger on July 26th and we found out why my other drain wouldn't hold suction... it was exposed within the hole so it had to be removed. After that debridement I was told (doing wet to dry gauze, which we bought in bulk because we needed so much!) that I am going to be amazed at how much better this is going to look in 2 weeks.

Just a few days later (Aug. 2nd) I went into the doctors office and left with two huge holes. Not the amazing results I was expecting in the least!

So of course, now I'm starting to doubt my PS. I think she's in over her head. I did some more research on necrosis & debridement because at this point I just didn't want to be cut any more! Come to find out... that is not the answer at all. The debridement actually helps to speed the process up even though it seems like you're going backwards and not healing, all this bad tissue needs to be removed so that the good tissue down under it can multiply and fill it all in. During my research I discovered wound vacs and I brought it up to my PS who agreed that we should look into that. We went to a wound clinic on Aug. 8th. Not actually having the wound vac yet, Edith, at the wound clinic took measurements and packed my wounds (the two holes & where my belly button was supposed to be) with Hydrophera Blue. The very next day my hubby was laid off. :(

Time for the wound vac! On Monday Aug. 12 the wound vac came in and off to the wound clinic we went to have it put in. For the most part it's not painful but there is this one part that hurts so bad! It feels like I'm being stabbed in my open wound with a hot soldering iron! Lately the sponges have been getting stuck in my wounds because my body is healing that fast! The results from the wound vac are amazing! I've had it on for almost 3 weeks and everybody can tell that there's a huge difference in the size of the holes. We do sponge changes on Mon, Wed & Fri and those are the days that I get to shower... yay! Much better than the 52 some odd days I went without a shower before getting the wound vac!

Not sure how much longer I will need it (Sara from KCI, the maker of the wound vac, thinks mid to end of September but Edith at the wound clinic thinks end of October or November!) but I'm hoping to be healed by Halloween, my favorite holiday and my birthday is the next day. I am drinking my greens daily where I get 24 servings of fruits & vegetables and trying to keep my protein at 90 grams a day to help healing. The protein proves difficult at times due to it taking up so many of my allotted calories each day but I've recently found a protein powder that will give me 30 grams of protein for 125 calories... not bad! Oh, and its supposed to taste good too, looking forward to trying it.

Oh, and even though hubby getting laid off was a bad thing, it couldn't have happened at a better time. Dorothy at KCI said that we qualify for 100% of the wound vac charges to be free! This could have cost us $50 a day even with our blue cross blue shield insurance!

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September 3, 2013
Glad to hear you are on the road to recovery. This is the first story I have read with the necrosis. Was this just from the large amount of skin removed!? So glad u are back on the healing side an hope the results become better for you
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September 3, 2013
From the research I've done about necrosis, I think it was a combination of things. The amount taken and my history of smoking. While I only smoke once a week (when we go out for drinks) you can't help but notice that every time necrosis is brought up, so is smoking. I don't think that the PS took too much skin / excess, I just think that because it was such a vast area, that I just didn't have good blood flow in the area that was left. Thank you for reading my review... sorry about it being so long. lol
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September 3, 2013
So they say it is from one cig a day or week?!?!?! Wow did you quit smoking before the surgery? No not long at all i like all the information !!!
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September 3, 2013
We go out for drink every Friday and I would smoke about 5 cigarettes on that day, never more than 10 because a pack would last me 2+ weeks. My PS called to do a pre-op phone convo and asked when the last time was that I had a cigarette. I told her on June 1st when we volunteered at the balloon & wine festival (we were drinking). She said that I was supposed to have stopped 30 days before the surgery (surgery was June 14th) but neither hubby (who has gone to EVERY appointment) nor I remember that at all. Too bad we didn't have pre-op paperwork that had that info on there. Also, according to the wound clinic girl, Edith, I should have also been told not to smoke 30 days after the surgery. I was never told that so when I went out (pre-holes / knowing the extent of the necrosis) to celebrate / show off to my friends at the bar, I smoked. That was probably July 12th or 13th so I may have been out of that 30 days PO. Now I only use an E cigarette and its no tar & no nicotine, when we go out.
January 19, 2015
Wow I'm really sorry for what u went through! I see why u r concerned for me. Thank u
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January 19, 2015
Thank you for understanding! I feel like there wasn't much out there about necrosis or the reviews that did talk about it, the writer didn't finish or show what their results ended up looking like. There's more information now and I know a couple of other ladies went through it right about the same time as I did. It's scary going through this and having such different results than most others on here so that's why I felt that I really needed to share my journey and to follow it all the way through.
January 19, 2015
I think that's a great idea. I have been stalking realself since I decided to go ahead with it and my recovery hasn't been like a lot of people on here. At least it doesn't seem like it. I had lots of pain for almost this whole past two weeks but it seems that alot of others didnt. Also I'm not standing up straight yet like a lot of others are. I'm hoping my incision heals nice and I don't have problems like u did. When my husband gets home and helps me shower then I will hopefully get good pics
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March 16, 2015
Hi there! I too am going thru the same thing :(. I'm 3 months post op tomorrow and it's been a Long 3 months. It took me a long time to stand up straight and just last week I was at to finally (somewhat) sleep on my sides. I still have a good amt of tightness in my stomach and if you look at my last post you will see my 'joke'! I call it my Cyclopes!!! I have been doing wet to dry for a few weeks but developed an infection last week. I go in on Wed to have it looked at and I'm going to ask for a referral to a wound clinic at an excellent nearby hospital. My surgeon has been very helpful but I feel like I need an expert. I'm fearing I'll be getting a wound vac too. I've encountered So many additional costs this year it makes me naseous thinking about it. I will do my best to provide better updates from here on out!!! I didn't look at your updates yet but I will. I sure hope things are going better for you!!!
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March 18, 2015
They absolutely are! You should check out my revision story. I was actually able to get on Botched on E! because my doctor messed me up so bad! I'll be on season 2 and my episode should air around April 28th. :)
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March 16, 2015
I've never been a smoker and I developed on too. You are right, typically, they happen to smokers and diabetics (I'm neither)! My ps thinks it happened because my binder was in too tight. Nonetheless, it's been a long haul and I'm over it all!!! I know your posts go back to 2013 but I thought for anyone else currently going thru this it might help. Thanks for all of your information!!!!
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March 18, 2015
Thanks, that's why I posted it. You never know who or when it might be helpful. I know when I was going through it there weren't many cases of Necrosis but it seems like there are more and more people posting about them which is great. Not great that they're getting necrosis but that people are sharing and others are learning that it is a possibility.
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March 18, 2015
Oh and I also have a revision review! :)
March 18, 2015
As an RN I can tell youall that necrosis sometimes just happens! Usually it is seen in debilitated people(poor health in general, diabetic, smokers etc) or for some other reason that the areas have a poor blood supply. Young friend working for extra money mowing grass injured a finger, went to ER etc, on antibiotics and still the tip became necrotic and finally came off. Blood supply did not re-establish after treatment.
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March 18, 2015
Perfect example of why you never chose a female plastic surgeon.. Seriously a wound vac.. Oh we'd have a problem
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March 18, 2015
I don't think I'd choose or not choose somebody based on their gender. Have you had bad experiences with female surgeons?
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March 18, 2015
Why does it matter if a female plastic surgeon?
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March 19, 2015
I've been in the medical field for 18 years, I've never met a female Dr that has impressed me. I'm female
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March 19, 2015
I have had both male and female surgeons through the years. This was my first surgery that involved plastic surgery...but either way I have never issues with the female surgeons being worse than the male ones. I also ended up with a horrible infection and wound vac but that was when a Male surgeon (who was on staff that day) went back in to clean out the infection...then I was left with a wound vac. I am with CaliKat on this...I wouldn't judge somebody simply by their gender.
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March 19, 2015
Well you don't work with them either. Anyway with her attitude I feel she needs to take responsibility and you're the only one that can hold her accountable. No one deserves what you're enduring. She should of never done surgery on you. A good surgeon would of told you to lose at least 40lbs, then come see me. She was greedy and you have these complications.. Incompetence at it's worst. I wish you the best in your recovery.
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March 20, 2015
I have worked with Dr's, though not for 18 yrs.... That is neither here nor there. As for me loosing more weight prior to surgery...I had already lost and kept off 150 lbs and needed hernia repair and had skin infections. It was time....having had stabilized and plateaued weight and my hernias among other health issues the heavy panni was not helping with. I was unable to get out of bed at times. I defiantly couldn't be active to help with any more weight loss. I am down 20 lbs plus the 20 that was removed...so I am loosing additional weight now (and I am still horribly swollen...uugghh) My surgeons were not greedy....infections happen. Yes something happened...but it can not be determined to be any one specific persons fault what happened. Complications happen. It sucks...but I am alive and moving on.
March 30, 2015
Totally agree with Aimbree39 on this one. One look at her before pic, I thought right away, she should not have had this procedure.
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March 31, 2015
I had already lost nearly 100 lbs through diet and exercise alone. I didn't do this for a flat stomach. I needed the apron of excess skin to be removed so that I could continue my weight loss like I have. Was too much removed, possibly. Do other people have this procedure done that are heavier than I was, absolutely. Have I continued to pursue a healthy lifestyle, definitely. I'm in better shape now than I was in my 20's. I can run 3 miles in 35 minutes and I don't even like running! lol
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April 2, 2015
We can agree to disagree I wish you the best, this should never happen to anyone!
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March 18, 2015
I'm truly sorry you had to endure that.
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March 18, 2015
I'm curious to what Dr. Kim has to say for the infection? Necrotizing .. Unreal
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March 18, 2015
She said it was caused by smoking. It's hard for me to swallow since I rarely smoked and she knew this before performing the proceedure. Also, had I known this was possible I would have completely quit just like I did for my revision. I wouldn't sabotage my results for something that I rarely did and wasn't addicted to (I just like the hand to mouth motion not the nicotine).
UPDATED FROM 321 Katina
3 months post

3 weeks with the wound vac / just over 11 weeks PO

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Everything is going well, wound vac is kicking butt! I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to the day that I would become cordless though! lol

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September 3, 2013
Wow. Crazy and so glad you are healing!
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September 3, 2013
Thank you & me too! Seemed like I was headed the wrong direction for far too long.
September 3, 2013
Welcome to RS. Glad to hear you are doing better and on your way to recovery. There are a few other ladies going through what you are on here. Our prayers are with you please do keep us posted on your progress.
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September 4, 2013
Thank you! I'll have to look for their stories... I would love to know others struggles & triumphs going through this. I feel like such an outsider in the forums because of how un-typical my recovery has been.
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September 4, 2013
Glad you're healing and truly admire your spirit through all you're going throu. Keep strong.
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September 4, 2013
Thank you so much. My husband has been my rock during this (sometimes I felt he was in denial as to the severity of this and was being as dumb as a rock! lol But he was just trying to stay positive and keep me out of the grasp of depression while it was tearing him up inside what was happening to his wife).
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September 4, 2013
Oh my I feel for you! I am sure this has been a nightmare. And I am so glad you are on the road to recovery. I have seen only one other person that had this happen and think it has to be very hard mentally as well as the physical part. It does look like your healing is coming along well. The difference is amazing from the time you started using the pump. The difference is wonderful as far as getting the pannis cut off. I do wonder if you will have some kind of reconstruction surgery after your healed. and will it be safe? I am not 100% happy with my tt, but after seeing you, I am ashamed that I complained. Your story has touched me and I thank you for sharing it here at RS. Good Luck to you and I hope your healed and happy by your birthday Nov 1st.
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September 4, 2013
Thank you Jeannie, your comment brought tears to my eyes. Yes, the transformation from having that apron removed is enormous! I literally couldn't fit into my clothes after my surgery due to there being so much less of me! I've wondered about the reconstruction / scar revision surgery as well. It has been brought up to me but I have a couple of concerns: 1. will I be paying for this out of pocket like I did the initial surgery? 2. will I actually heal like most people or could this necrosis & open wounds happen again? 3. if I'm put under again, will I wake up coughing up blood and fearing that I'm going to die because I can't breathe? The PS told me not to even worry about any of that right now, just to focus on healing. I think its perfectly fine to be unhappy with your results... its where you go from there that matters. Either accept it or do what you can to make changes to it. I try to tell myself that in the scope of things... eventually this will just be a drop in the bucket of my life. Thank you for the support & luck! :)
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September 4, 2013
Your PS sounds smart. Now is not the time to worry about anything except Healing. I had to have minor revisions and my ps did give me a break on the cost. That was 2 dogears and bb revision. The fact that your clothes are now falling off has to make you feel good. Knowing that no matter how you decide to proceed, you will still look and feel better about yourself. Not having the pannnis hanging off my body has by itself changed my life. Taking a shower and not having to pick up that skin is still great.. wearing clothes that are not a couple sizes to big. Is wonderful... I used to wear everything so baggy to hide my tummy. Now I am not a hot sexey granny lol, but I am not ashamed to wear clothes that actually fit. When your all healed, no matter what you do you will love the new you.
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September 4, 2013
Ohh you poor lady I feel for you I really do Emma
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September 4, 2013
Thank you... I will heal, its just going to take some time. ;)
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Just wanted to add that this surgery was actually a reward for me. At my highest weigh (pregnant with my son) I was 309 at 5'1.5" and 2 years after he was born I was 279. I had chest pains and was so scared that I was having a heart attack. That's when I decided to lose weight.

I was a tomboy growing up and played sports my whole life. AYSO soccer from age 5 all the way through my sophomore or junior year of high school. Played a couple of years of indoor soccer during the outdoor off season and then my freshman year in high school I lettered in Tennis, Soccer & Softball. Sophmore & junior year it was just Tennis & Soccer but I rode my bike to & from school and lived in my parents pool in the summer. After high school I played some roller hockey but shortly thereafter I became pregnant with my daughter. I had pre-eclampsia so I gained a lot of weight and never saw below 200 until she was about 16 years old!

Through diet & exercise I lost nearly 100 lbs, so this surgery was my reward for all that hard work.

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September 4, 2013
Congratulations on the weight loss. You DID deserve this surgery as a reward. I feel your pain with the necrosis, although mine pales in comparison. I'm a non-smoker, not diabetic; basically, I was given too small of a binder. At my po day 6 appointment, they removed my binder, and my incisions were necrotic and my lower belly area was purple. I never wore that cg again. At about po week 4, my skin started to pull away from my black incision, so it's been debridement, wet to dry dressings, and a lot of naps. Even though this happened, I'm still glad I had the surgery. My ps will do a scar revision down the road. I'll keep you in my thoughts while I'm meditating on healing.
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September 4, 2013
Thank you so much for sharing, sorry to hear about your necrosis. I had read where lack of circulation (binder being too tight) could cause necrosis. I definitely didn't put my binder as tight after reading that! lol Not sure if it was a contributing factor though. I also wondered if all that coughing right after surgery could have contributed to my body not healing. I had the purple lower belly area too, I think you can see it in one of the pics. I was really hopeful at that point though because I didn't have the black & there were no holes. The PS kept saying that my body is struggling and that the bad area will declare itself. Problem is that the bad area just seemed to keep on getting bigger & bigger as each week passed and debridement was done. Glad to hear that my naps weren't out of the ordinary, my PS was asking me why I was napping & so tired. I was like, HELLO! my body is trying to heal! lol Is your scar revision covered? Will you be completely knocked out for that?
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September 7, 2013
Thank you for sharing your story, I know this must have been such a challenge to go through but your positive attitude is amazing and that shows what an amazing character you have. Some people would have crawled in a whole and died but you are one strong woman. That wound vac is amazing and the improvement over the past few weeks is astonishing!!
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September 7, 2013
Oh there were plenty of times when I cried & cried and said I couldn't do it and felt like I'd be better off if the put me into a drug induced coma for my whole healing time period! lol It's definitely been a rollercoaster! It was particularly hard for me when I went from 1 to 2 holes because my PS had said that that side was solid, not mushy, so no hole and that I should see a huge improvement in the next 2 weeks and then one week later I had 2 holes! I felt like I had tried to be so positive, holding on to little accomplishments and that those all kept getting knocked down. At first it was the fact that I felt fine, my body was in the best shape it had been in, in 15 years... so my body could take care of this. Then when it started turning black it was... well, at least I don't have a hole. Then when I got 1 hole I told myself, well as least its not as bad as the ps's worst case she's seen, which was the whole lower portion open. Then I got the other hole and was almost her worst case scenario! That was tough! I was hanging on to that piece of skin below my belly button for dear life! I felt like that was the only thing keeping me going. But once that wound vac went in... wow the transformation!
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September 9, 2013
Glad your doing better. It's really healing up. Keep the faith! Pretty soon this will be a past memory.
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September 9, 2013
Thank you! I'm really looking forward to that day. :)
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September 9, 2013
Would like to see some pics how everything is healing up now. How are you doing?
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September 9, 2013
I've posted about a dozen pics, they're at the top of the review. I'm doing pretty good, just really looking forward to being cordless (not having the vac) because I'm all healed & ready to move on to my normal life.
September 9, 2013
Love your spirit! Hope u heal well!
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September 9, 2013
Thanks, me too! I hope the scars are small or something that I can live with. Kinda scared that they're going to be big indentations but at least I will be healed.