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I'm off to See the Wizard, the Wonderful Wizard of Ahhhhhs - Newport, CA 55yrs Old

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1 year post

1Year After

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WORTH IT$2,400
Wow I can't believe it's been a year since this process started, but, as they say, time flies when you're having "fun" LOL I had my annual exam yesterday and all is well!! Vaginal tissue is pink and moist just like in my 30's. I'm still dealing with a tiny patch of scar tissue just at the "threshold" where my epsiotomy scars are. My doctor gave me a sample tube of Prenarin Cream and told me to use just a dab on that spot a couple of times a week...
A couple of months later...
Wow!!! That cream did the trick!!! I'm now 100% rejuvenated. Everything feels amazing. No pain at all!! The results have been nothing short of miraculous!!
That's the good news...
The not-so-good: I've just run out of the sample tube of Premarin. My insurance won't cover it and the cash price for it is nearly $400 !!!Not to mention all of the scary cancer risk warnings about its use. I'm gong to email my doc and see what she has to say about maybe trying a different cream that would still work and not break the bank. Also, next month I'm due for my 1yr touch-up treatment, but everything is feeling and working so great, I'm a bit worried about "jinxing it" but my doctor is saying I shouldn't wait until I feel like I need it and doing it now would just keep things on track.
I'll do another post once I decide what to do.
In two days I will be 57, but vaginally speaking, I'm at least 20 yrs less than that!!
I'm so glad I had the Mona Lisa Procedure last year. I am a happy camper!!!! ????????

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The OCWMG is filled with the most top-notch doctors and nurses, I can't say enough good about them. Dr. Norris-Walsh is nothing short of amazing!! She has the most wonderful bedside manner of any doctor I have ever encountered. She is as intelligent and knowledgable as she is kind and pleasant. The best of the best by far and away!! Which is why even though there are several doctors 5 minutes from my home, I'll happily drive an hour to see her.

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June 7, 2017
Thank you for posting this one year update. I just came from the gyn and he wants me to have the treatments. I was doing great on 1mg daily of brand name estrace for years and last year the insurance company refused to cover it and forced me onto generic estradiol. Now almost all the atrophy has returned. I read all your posts and it made me less fearful about going through with it.
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June 9, 2017
Neshka, first off, Hi, nice to make your acquaintance :) There are many mixed reviews on this procedure and it can be a very confusing not to mention costly decision to make. I wanted to be 100% open and honest with my experience to help others make the right choice for themselves. I don't know what makes the difference between those it works wonders for and those it doesn't. For me it was nothing short of miraculous!! I can't believe the difference, like night and day. I have known my doctor for close to 20yrs, she has seen the changes in my body first hand and knew parts of me better than I knew myself, so I trusted her when she said I was a perfect candidate, and she was right. I think the key factors are - How well do you heal? - Are you willing to be diligent with the healing process? (applying ointment, using dilators, going back for the next procedure as scheduled, etc) - Do you have open communication with your partner and are they on board and willing to help? These were paramount for me. Especially the dilators, because without them, the mental, fear of pain aspect, was too hard to conquer. It took my body a while to allow penetration after years of so much pain, but eventually, it yielded and now, it's like there was never any pain. It took a lot of patience and persistence, but I overcame. If you decide to go for it, I'm here to help along the way. :)
June 20, 2017
dilators? The doctor didn't mention that to me, but I feel like I might need as well. Do you get those from the doctor's office? I live in OC and Dr. Norris Walsh isn't seeing new patients. I had a consult with one of the doctors in her office. I just started on some Estrace cream twice a week, also, to see if that will help before the procedure.
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June 21, 2017
I Ordered my dilators online from Vaginismus.com and I use "Slippery Stuff" lunricant with them that you can get at Condom Revelution or order online from Wallace-OFarrell. Using these were paramount for me!!
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August 12, 2017
This is a great and exceptional review! Your Doctors are amazing and you are one lucky woman! Congratulations!
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August 13, 2017
CubanBooty, Thank you! I just put it all out there, the good, the bad, the hope, and ultimately, the success! I wanted women to feel like I was relatable and that they can trust me to give them an honest answer to any question they may have, so I held back nothing.
I truly do feel like a very lucky woman to have found great resources and people in my life that helped to make all of this possible.
August 14, 2017
Thank you for sharing your journey; it's very helpful!
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August 14, 2017
@jshu, I'm so glad you found it helpful! If I can help even one woman, I will be a very happy lady.
August 16, 2017
Thank you Phoenix! You are a better source of info than my doctors are! I had the first MonaLisa treatment last week. I was pretty sore for the next few days. My husband and I have crazy schedules and haven't been able to do a test run yet. I'm going to look at the website for the dialators you mentioned. Thanks again!
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August 19, 2017
Neshka, the dilators will be very helpful for you with your crazy schedules. You really need to keep the tissue in there "opened up" and reaccustomed to penetration. Anxiety is a big deterrent, the dilators really help with that aspect as well. You have more control over the mechanics of penetration with them and can do it in a clinical way, so you can then be spontaneous with your partner without fear of pain.
February 15, 2018
Thanks for sharing so much detailed information and congrats on your success. If you can get a dr to prescribe testosterone 2% in aquafor ( petroleum jelly) to just be applied lightly to the perineum say 2 or 3 times a week, that works for me to stop the tearing and its really cheap.
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February 15, 2018
thanks!! I have my annual exam next month, I'll be sure to ask about that!!
UPDATED FROM The_Phoenix
6 months post

Back in the game!!

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Several months later and I am doing great!!! Sooooo glad I had the procedure!! It has changed my (love) life!! I can now enjoy totally pain free sex again, when before it was 100% impossible. It used to be so terribly painful, there was no chance of penetration. To be clear, it's not exactly like it was pre-menopause, we have to go about it a bit differently now. No more jumping right in at the drop of a hat in any position. We have to prepare a little bit now, I need a little warm up fore play and I need him to insert fingers first to open me up before actual penetration. But, my husband is well endowed, if he were smaller, I'd probably have zero issues. I am still using my dilators after every shower and that makes a big difference. We've now gotten into a good rhythm that works for us and sex is now back to being sexy and spontaneous without my having to instruct him. It took the two of us to make it work. He was eager to learn what I needed, and what he needed to do to make it comfortable for me. We are very open and communicate well which I think is key. We are really enjoying each other sexually again and it's wonderful!! My libido, I noticed is also increasing as the fear of pain has faded. I had thought it was a hormonal side effect, but now I realize it was a pain response that made my sex drive wan. That was an unexpected benefit that I've been enjoying as well! For me, this has been life changing, I didn't realize how much sexual relations with my husband effects so many areas of my life. I feel happier and less stressed. I had been experiencing anxiety, melancholy and feeling "old" but now I feel vibrant, sexy, alive!! Don't discount the mental benefits of intimacy. It all seems to be intertwined. I am renewed!!

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October 19, 2016
I am in tears, very happy for you. This has taken a toll on me as well. I am fit, healthy and have an amazing social life,friends and family. I look young, play young and wanting my next decade to be filled with all that life can handle of me. I am in tears. I've been taking ESTRIOL two years now and as for three weeks, Estace Vaginal creme. Recommended by my gynecologist but no relief. Taking all this Estrogen scares too. You have given me hope. The unmentionable as my best friends says, has a promising resolution. Thank you for your candid writing, all the details, emotions you are an inspiration. Never too old...:)
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October 20, 2016
I'm so glad that my candor can be an inspiration!! That's the only reason I started posting here. I want to help others to have the same success that I've had. It really does make a big difference in how you feel about yourself and your relationship. In keeping tabs on this procedure's results from many other's accounts I think there are three major points to emphasize 1) Choose a good doc who has a high success rate from their patients 2) Don't rush the results; be patient and work WITH your body 3) Team work with your partner makes a huge difference. you both need to realize that while it will be WAY better, it may not be exactly the same as it used to be (in most cases).
If you decide to go through with the procedure, please feel free to reach out to me with any questions or needs you may have, no matter how personal. I'm your anonymous "ghost" friend you can tell anything to and it won't go any further than between us. Women need a confidant they can trust and depend on for this "unspoken" stuff and I'm putting myself out there to be a source. I grew up without a mom or big sister, it doesn't get any rougher than that. I had to figure everything out by myself. Now I have 2 daughters and 3 grand daughters!! I am here for them and for You and anyone else who may need answers. Never too old, indeed!!
December 17, 2016
So glad it worked out for you! Wish I had the same outcome.
December 17, 2016
Enjoyed reading your journey. Gosh, sorry for all you went through! The end result is awesome and now is something I'm willing to do. Thx for sharing. You are hilarious!
January 12, 2017
Thank you for being totally frank and honest. I have been thinking of doing this procedure but your comments have made the decision easy, thank you again. A 54 sad wife for having a year of total painful sex. Thank you again
April 18, 2017
I am looking into this , I have your same situation I concentrate on the pain instead of the pleasure I'm already tight don't want to be tighter
UPDATED FROM The_Phoenix
4 months post

Post Third (final) Treatment

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Ok, so... Life handed me a whole truck full of lemons!!! I could open a lemon aide factory!!
Lets start with the procedure... It actually went very well, a bit longer than the previous one and this time, I smelled a slight tinge of something burning and had a little concern but chalked it up to the fact that the fan they always use was facing a different direction than usual and figured this was probably normal since my doctor didn't seem in the least bit concerned and I know I can trust her. I followed the same post procedure protocol as before, icepacks and Aquaphor. Again, there was virtually no pain just a slight sensation of being able to feel my vaginal walls, especially while walking. I was never able to feel the inside of my vagina, even while wearing a tampon unless I had an infection, but that would be painful. This was more like it was just sensitive and it passed in a couple of days. There was some yellowish-white, odorless discharge for a couple of days as well. I was really anxious to give it a try once the waiting period passed but my husband was sick, so I had to wait a bit more. Then my daughter, who lives in Boston and is pregnant with her second child (my granddaughter is 22 mos) asked if I could please come for her birthday. I planned to leave in just a few days, hoping my hubby would be well before I left. However, our son's wife who was also pregnant, contracted toxemia and they had to take the baby 3 weeks early!! The baby came home the same day I flew out. There was just too much commotion, sleepless nights, etc for intimacy to happen. I made it to Boston and was having a really nice 10 day visit when I received a call from my sister that her son had been shot and sadly, he didn't survive. She was nearly incoherent, so I made travel arrangements for her and her husband (and her service animal) to fly across the country for the funeral. Then I detoured my travel home to meet up with her. I took the soonest red-eye flight I could get. There was much to do and plan and take care of (he was an organ donor). Then, our other daughter, who lives in Australia, had her baby the night before the services (a week early). Talk about an emotional roller coaster!!! I felt like an emotional schizophrenic!!! My husband was the sweetest and drove for hours to meet up with me and be supportive, but, obviously, it was hardly the time for romance. I actually thought of those scenes in movies where people grieving would "hook up" and found it to be absolutely absurd. That was the last thing on my mind as we said good bye to my 28 yr old nephew. It was a long drive home. By the time I got there, I was trashed, mentally, emotionally and physically. Still reeling from all of that, I had a mountain of work to catch up on and worked late into the night for several days. Just as the dust was beginning to settle, I ended up with a raging yeast infection!!! Most likely due to all of the stress, lack of sleep, disrupted diet or maybe I just picked it up the the hotel?!! Whatever the cause, it was not conducive to trying out my rejuvenation. I opted for the 7-day treatment just to make sure it was knocked all the way out. I used the last vial yesterday. I did try my dilators and had no pain whatsoever, so I'm thinking it's going to be all good. I'm thinking perhaps tonight or at least this weekend we will have lift off and all rockets will be firing!!
Stay Tuned...

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July 29, 2016
Wow.. from the above blog post, I can only say that painful sex is certainly the least of your worries:) Seriously, I'm so sorry for all your troubles. That is an amazing amount of emotion to pack into 4 months. Very appreciative that you got back to me and thank you much. As you suggest, I will stay tuned!
August 7, 2016
Thank you for posting about your third treatment. My first treatment seemed to work very well - probably because it was gentle. The second treatment was much stronger. He went particularly hard in 2 places because I happened to mention the UTIs I used to get had now gone and so had the slight incontinence. He said I can fix that and before I knew it he went really hard in two places. It never recovered. I had my third treatment thinking it would settle down and asked he not do that again. It hasn't settled down and my vagina is very painful - I too got a thrush infection (I think it was thrush - I treated myself for it anyway). Sex is not possible due to it being more painful than before. I go see my Gyno next week for first examination after the treatment but I know what it will reveal - a failure. I don't think he will even get the speculum inside to check. I am so disappointed. Again, thanks for sharing.
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August 7, 2016
I'm so sad to hear how badly the procedure turned out for you. Being still so new, it seems as though there isn't enough physician training, or maybe each doctor is taking too much liberty to do it "their way". The degree of good results definitely seems tied to how it's performed. I'm wondering if perhaps you should go to another doctor for their opinion. It's been my experience that when a doctor makes a mistake, they tend to blame the patient rather than admit it was their doing and try to rectify the situation. A different doctor may be more motivated to help you. Especially if you could find one who has gotten good results doing the ML procedure. Just a suggestion. I wish you could see my doctor, she is amazing, I've been going to her for over 20yrs now. Please keep updating, I'm truly concerned for you!! Don't give up!
May 8, 2020
I’m contemplating this surgery. Will you please tell me if you recovered satisfactorily?
May 8, 2020
I didn't have surgery. I had laser treatment "Mona Lisa Touch". I did 3 treatments, painless and worked well, except it is not a permanent solution. Lack of estrogen will ultimately cause dry vagina and possibly atrophe. Regular touch up treatments would be necessary. I can't afford those so have gone back to estrogen pessaries. Research tells me they are safe. I'm from Australia. Estrogen creams, pessaries etc available on script and I only pay around $30 a month.
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May 8, 2020
@Chillicat In your last reply, you were about to visit your doctor but things were still pretty tender and out of commission at that time. I am encouraged by this recent response from you. Did you then recover enough from your 'injuries' that by adding estrogen you are no longer in pain? I surely hope so! I felt so bad for you after that last post.
May 9, 2020
I can't see or remember that post. In a nutshell I had the recommended 3 mona lisa treatments. However, laser treatments can't make your body produce estrogen. Without estrogen, atrophy will recur. My treatment only lasted roughly 18 months and I was back where I was pre-laser. They do recommend follow up laser treatment at 18 month intervals. I did not see this as viable for me so, weighing up quality of life and minute chance breast cancer may recur using local estrogen, I opted for estrogen delivered transdermally. I use Vagifem Low (10micrgram estradiol) slow release pessaries with applicators - use every day for 2 weeks then just 2-3 times a week. I will never take oral estrogen as I have had breast cancer. Each woman in this situation must do her own research and make her own decisions. I read a lot of research papers on delivery of estrogen transdermally and happy it is the safe option and happy with my decision.
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May 9, 2020
I'm so glad to hear that you are doing well and found your best option!! You are right, we are all very different and have to do what works for us personally. I'm thrilled to hear your happy ending! :D