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Chipmunk Cheeks and Dead Hollowed Eyes from Botox on Crows Feet - San Jose, CA
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I was concerned about the hollowing under my eyes,...
whatisbeautyOctober 26, 2015
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I was concerned about the hollowing under my eyes, and wanted to see what could be done. Ends up, I thought I'd try something unrelated but was told would give me a refreshed look, "non-invasive" Botox, which now I realize is ANYTHING BUT non-invasive. I could feel it stinging under my face for 20 days! I am 4 1/2 weeks out and i hate it. If I smile, my cheeks having ptosis are constricted, my eyes look hollowed and my eyebrows do this strange Spock thing, making me look sinister.
Yes, the procedure is elective, but I trusted the expert doctor with lots of credentials knew what he was doing. Why didn't he tell me that the injections on the crows feet (which i hardly had!!) would cause the cheek to drop and be constricted, or that the eyebrow arch was highly likely to make me look sinister, with insane looking hollowed out eyes to compliment the villainous look. Give patients the WHOLE story and then let them decide.
There was no follow up call or even a quote given or sent for what I initially went in for. He simply told me all the benefits and no cons, shot me up in the face, and charged me. He did not even tell me not to rub the area of the shots, which ignorantly I did in the days after, and I believe this caused it to migrate down my cheeks to my upper lip area. That area was a bit paralyzed til 20 days after.
I went in to see about fat transfer for my thinning face (temples and undereyes) and now I learn that this Botox stuff can atrophy the muscle and cause further fat loss. If I told him these initial concerns, why would he not tell me that this could potentially make it worse? Happens that he injected me on the sides of my eyes, which is right smack in the middle of the temples and undereyes. My temples are noticeably more hollowed.
This expert doctor did not even take before photos or mark my face as to where to inject. I read this is what is typically done. I guess he is too much of an expert to take precautions and planning on MY FACE.
I'm just so sick of plastic surgeons. After trying Retinol which stung and hurt my skin, Latisse which inflamed my eyes and made me look tired and aged and now Botox, I am now DONE with all this. I tried these things because they are said to be non-invasive, since they are creams and serums, but now I almost think just getting surgery is less risky. At least then you don't have these potions burning inside your skin or causing inflammation and peeling.
I've been doing facial exercises, daily sauna, and eating cleansing foods, and lots of water. I noticed the paralysis in my cheeks (not at the injection site) released on day 20, which was a couple days after a deep cranial tissue/ muscle massage. Also, my menstrual cycle was 14 or so days late. Worried, I began reading that many women's cycles ceased altogether or for a long duration after receiving Botox. So I began drinking fenugreek tea for a few days (fenugreek seeds boiled in water) because it mimics estrogen. Its bitter, but can be toned down some juice from a lemon (which is cleansing). After about three days, my cycle came. I was relieved.
People have spoken of liver cleansing. One method I have used even before this awful Botox experience, is an epsom cleanse. I also did it a few weeks after the Botox injections. I dissolve 3 or 4 tablespoons of epsom into warm water ( 2 cups), squeeze in one lemon's juice, and some honey (though its such an awful taste, not sure it really helps). Then I chug that ON AN EMPTY STOMACH (preferably in the morning). After I drank 32 ounces of water, or a bit more even. The purpose of this water is to assist the epsom to flush through. Then I just stayed at home, because in an hour or so, I needed the toilet. I drank Pedialyte after for a few days to make sure to restore electrolytes. The magnesium sulfate helps to cleanse the liver, as well as cleansing the colon. Information can be found on Livestrong and other internet sites.
In the mornings and some evenings, I have been drinking a 32 ounce blend of pineapple, strawberries, blueberries mango and cilantro, and then every other morning I have a couple activated charcoal supplements.
Someone mentioned a lymphatic drainage massage. I am going to try that as well.
I've been going to the sauna almost every other day. I would like to try getting there every day. Also, I exercise about 5 times a week. I do some cardio but am afraid to do too much as it is harder for me to keep weight on.
I don't know if I will ever get the warmth back into my hollowed eyes when my cheeks are able to expand again. It makes me sad. But I will get really healthy in my attempts to heal the damage Botox has caused.
I'm grateful for everyone who has shared their stories and what they have done to heal. I can't believe I allowed this to happen, but I trusted the "expert" ... again. :-(
Yes, the procedure is elective, but I trusted the expert doctor with lots of credentials knew what he was doing. Why didn't he tell me that the injections on the crows feet (which i hardly had!!) would cause the cheek to drop and be constricted, or that the eyebrow arch was highly likely to make me look sinister, with insane looking hollowed out eyes to compliment the villainous look. Give patients the WHOLE story and then let them decide.
There was no follow up call or even a quote given or sent for what I initially went in for. He simply told me all the benefits and no cons, shot me up in the face, and charged me. He did not even tell me not to rub the area of the shots, which ignorantly I did in the days after, and I believe this caused it to migrate down my cheeks to my upper lip area. That area was a bit paralyzed til 20 days after.
I went in to see about fat transfer for my thinning face (temples and undereyes) and now I learn that this Botox stuff can atrophy the muscle and cause further fat loss. If I told him these initial concerns, why would he not tell me that this could potentially make it worse? Happens that he injected me on the sides of my eyes, which is right smack in the middle of the temples and undereyes. My temples are noticeably more hollowed.
This expert doctor did not even take before photos or mark my face as to where to inject. I read this is what is typically done. I guess he is too much of an expert to take precautions and planning on MY FACE.
I'm just so sick of plastic surgeons. After trying Retinol which stung and hurt my skin, Latisse which inflamed my eyes and made me look tired and aged and now Botox, I am now DONE with all this. I tried these things because they are said to be non-invasive, since they are creams and serums, but now I almost think just getting surgery is less risky. At least then you don't have these potions burning inside your skin or causing inflammation and peeling.
I've been doing facial exercises, daily sauna, and eating cleansing foods, and lots of water. I noticed the paralysis in my cheeks (not at the injection site) released on day 20, which was a couple days after a deep cranial tissue/ muscle massage. Also, my menstrual cycle was 14 or so days late. Worried, I began reading that many women's cycles ceased altogether or for a long duration after receiving Botox. So I began drinking fenugreek tea for a few days (fenugreek seeds boiled in water) because it mimics estrogen. Its bitter, but can be toned down some juice from a lemon (which is cleansing). After about three days, my cycle came. I was relieved.
People have spoken of liver cleansing. One method I have used even before this awful Botox experience, is an epsom cleanse. I also did it a few weeks after the Botox injections. I dissolve 3 or 4 tablespoons of epsom into warm water ( 2 cups), squeeze in one lemon's juice, and some honey (though its such an awful taste, not sure it really helps). Then I chug that ON AN EMPTY STOMACH (preferably in the morning). After I drank 32 ounces of water, or a bit more even. The purpose of this water is to assist the epsom to flush through. Then I just stayed at home, because in an hour or so, I needed the toilet. I drank Pedialyte after for a few days to make sure to restore electrolytes. The magnesium sulfate helps to cleanse the liver, as well as cleansing the colon. Information can be found on Livestrong and other internet sites.
In the mornings and some evenings, I have been drinking a 32 ounce blend of pineapple, strawberries, blueberries mango and cilantro, and then every other morning I have a couple activated charcoal supplements.
Someone mentioned a lymphatic drainage massage. I am going to try that as well.
I've been going to the sauna almost every other day. I would like to try getting there every day. Also, I exercise about 5 times a week. I do some cardio but am afraid to do too much as it is harder for me to keep weight on.
I don't know if I will ever get the warmth back into my hollowed eyes when my cheeks are able to expand again. It makes me sad. But I will get really healthy in my attempts to heal the damage Botox has caused.
I'm grateful for everyone who has shared their stories and what they have done to heal. I can't believe I allowed this to happen, but I trusted the "expert" ... again. :-(
Replies (46)
November 3, 2015
Awww, you poor thing, hope things are better now. I really like your way of expressing and describing all the stuff you had to go through, it was very informative and poignant, thanks and good luck. Wish you had pictures to see the villainous look. Some doctors put their financial interest first unfortunately and we pay them and pay the bad consequences. Vanity is my vixen.
December 19, 2015
You know what???? It is all a blessing in desquise. In the end, I gained knowledge and that is power. I am blessed with that opportunity but I have decided on the natural way...fat transfer...if it is successful...lets do it!!! Thank you for all the encouragement. I hope that you are doing well my friend!
December 19, 2015
From what I have researched, fat transfer can be very successful. The best candidates are those who are older, and not prone to weight fluctuations. I am pretty much the same size as from high school 25 years ago, .... though things have shifted about. lol I am going to research whoever I choose thoroughly and someone who goes for a natural result.
November 12, 2015
So sorry about your experience. Hollow eyes are difficult to address. I have attempted to address that issue with filler for 8+ years now! Botox is not intended for hollowness. I had a similar experience with Voluma in my nasolabial fold..I could not speak properly. So sad this happen to you. I very much admire your strength!
January 28, 2016
Hi Fara,
Did you ever figure out how to fill those hollows?
At least my sanity is coming back. I felt so distressed to see my frozen face for so many weeks. Its like being in a prison.
Did you ever figure out how to fill those hollows?
At least my sanity is coming back. I felt so distressed to see my frozen face for so many weeks. Its like being in a prison.
August 15, 2023
Hi what is beauty’s I know it has been a long time but how long has it taken you for your muscle function to go back to normal? I have the side effects you got from Botox ( cheek ptosis). Awful
August 15, 2023
My muscles are completely back to normal 8 years later. It took 3-4 months for them to be released from the grip of the botox. It was so traumatic. Thought it would be permanent.
How long has it been since you were injected?
How long has it been since you were injected?
August 17, 2023
I’m so glad that you recovered! Traumatic indeed to see the nasolabial folds getting worse and the deflation. For me it will be 4 weeks tomorrow. I had 4 units of juveau on each side. One week later I noticed shelves under the eyes when I smiled then deflation and deeper nasolabial folds. I’m doing microcurrent and hiit workouts hoping to metabolize it faster and to prevent the muscle atrophy. How much Botox had you had? I’ll never touch my crows feet again.
August 17, 2023
I don’t remember how much Botox I had. I found not saunas very helpful in getting it moving though many say not to do this. I also went to a lymphatic drain masseuse, and that really brought out a lot of toxins. Again, I don’t know if that’s the best way, but I was so focused on getting the toxins out . It’s what I did.
August 23, 2023
@whatis beauty : thank you so much. It has been almost 5 weeks and it’s not getting any better. If anything it looks worse since the muscle keeps weakening. My face became more gaunt and my cheeks less and less plums with heavier nl folds. I never thought that Botox could do this. I keep working out and using microcurrent in the area. To have to live like this for 3-6 months is really depressing. Thank god I only got 4 units per side a total of 8 and not 20 like they often push for.
December 19, 2015
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December 19, 2015
I went to a top supposed expert plastic surgeon. I thought I was doing my due diligence.
It just hurts, as if raw from the inside out. At my eyebrows! *SIGH* I hope they are not permanently tweaked. they look normal if I'm not smiling, but if I smile my cheeks no longer go as far up on the sides and the brows do not lower down on the sides, but instead go slightly up. With this slight upwardness on the out brow and the lowering on the inner brow, I can easily look sinister.
I hate that this doctor only told me how benign this is, instead of the very likely possibility of drifting causing partial paralysis, burning under the skins for 2 months and loss of volume. Reduced volume was the main reason for seeing him, and this only compounded the issue.
What kind of fix did the PS do for your eyes?
It just hurts, as if raw from the inside out. At my eyebrows! *SIGH* I hope they are not permanently tweaked. they look normal if I'm not smiling, but if I smile my cheeks no longer go as far up on the sides and the brows do not lower down on the sides, but instead go slightly up. With this slight upwardness on the out brow and the lowering on the inner brow, I can easily look sinister.
I hate that this doctor only told me how benign this is, instead of the very likely possibility of drifting causing partial paralysis, burning under the skins for 2 months and loss of volume. Reduced volume was the main reason for seeing him, and this only compounded the issue.
What kind of fix did the PS do for your eyes?
December 19, 2015
Your desire to have the nasal fold lifted a bit is realistic. Its done all the time successfully. Just this ultherapy torture machine is not the thing to do it. I think once the tissues stop changing, maybe micro fat grafting could be done to ease some fat into those hollowed areas, then maybe a slight face lift.
I'm realizing the slightest change can alter how we look. It takes a highly skilled surgeon to improve a persons appearance while retaining their overall look.
I'm realizing the slightest change can alter how we look. It takes a highly skilled surgeon to improve a persons appearance while retaining their overall look.
UPDATED FROM whatisbeauty
3 months post
2 months before and 2 1/2 months after I got beat with uglifying Botox
whatisbeautyDecember 6, 2015
Will my pretty normal cheeks ever come back? Now they are parched with etched nasal labio lines.
I posted a question to the doctors, and some doctor patronized me saying perhaps it's psychosomatic. NO, I know what drifting toxin under my skin feels like! I have enough photos to see the difference. Botox has drifted into my cheeks, upper lip and EVEN slightly into the left side of my chin!
Do all these doctors read from the same script? Any intelligent person with common sense would realize that a toxin could easily drift. I put MY common sense aside and trusted the doctor who administered this.
Someone (legit) please tell me if your face ever bounced back.
I actually weight more now. I'm hoping if I gain enough weight my youthful fat on my face will plump back up.
I try to see myself looking better then look at these pictures and the obvious difference, as well the stinging in my cheeks is a constant reminder. Makes me want to cry.
I posted a question to the doctors, and some doctor patronized me saying perhaps it's psychosomatic. NO, I know what drifting toxin under my skin feels like! I have enough photos to see the difference. Botox has drifted into my cheeks, upper lip and EVEN slightly into the left side of my chin!
Do all these doctors read from the same script? Any intelligent person with common sense would realize that a toxin could easily drift. I put MY common sense aside and trusted the doctor who administered this.
Someone (legit) please tell me if your face ever bounced back.
I actually weight more now. I'm hoping if I gain enough weight my youthful fat on my face will plump back up.
I try to see myself looking better then look at these pictures and the obvious difference, as well the stinging in my cheeks is a constant reminder. Makes me want to cry.
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December 7, 2015
How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? I am also curious to see what others have to say.
December 7, 2015
43. And I've had a filler face. Now I look tired because the muscles are flattened. At this moment, I feel the tingly sensation in my cheeks, upper lip and left side of my chin.
Wondering if microcurrent could help. Have not gotten any follow up call from the doctor who did this. At the three month mark, I will add his name to this review. He told me this would be like a haircut. Gave no mention if drifting, loss of face volume, or the stinging sensation for all these months. So how am I supposed to believe him about anything , like him saying this is all just going to go away and my normal face will bounce back?
I will see my specialist in about a week and will see what my bloodwork shows.
I went to him concerned mostly about hollowed eyes and temples, and now my entire face is hollowed.
I do not feel at all sorry for these doctors. They know full well what can happen.
Wondering if microcurrent could help. Have not gotten any follow up call from the doctor who did this. At the three month mark, I will add his name to this review. He told me this would be like a haircut. Gave no mention if drifting, loss of face volume, or the stinging sensation for all these months. So how am I supposed to believe him about anything , like him saying this is all just going to go away and my normal face will bounce back?
I will see my specialist in about a week and will see what my bloodwork shows.
I went to him concerned mostly about hollowed eyes and temples, and now my entire face is hollowed.
I do not feel at all sorry for these doctors. They know full well what can happen.
December 7, 2015
Fuller face, NOT filler.
This will be my first and last time having toxin injected into me. Perhaps my own fat if my facial volume does not return. :..(
This will be my first and last time having toxin injected into me. Perhaps my own fat if my facial volume does not return. :..(
December 11, 2015
The tingling is worrisome. I'm wondered if this is nerve damage? Can that happen?
December 19, 2015
Thats what botox is. Its nerve damage. From what I have read, those nerves are permanently damaged, but new ones start to form. But it drifted so far in my face, from my lower eyebrow area to my chin! But yet, they say it only goes within a half inch or so of the injection site. Are these doctors that out of touch with the reality of this toxin? Does profit really cloud common sense?
https://www.realself.com/question/botox-injected-yesterday-in-the-frown-lines-and-crows-feet-see-body-message?utm_referrer=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
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January 26, 2016
Yes when I told two doctors who I very much trust, who administer a lot of botox, about the hourglass effect (utter hollowing of temples) and cases like yours and so many others, they honestly were shocked and seemed to have not a clue these could happen and really had a hard time believing it. One of them said she would now be looking it all up, I will ask her about it when I see her next. Doctors don't seem aware of any of the truly bad things that happen and even when told they have a hard time believing it, at least these two did. Allergan of course will never inform them I guess, from the looks of it. No surprise there. So in the end we are supposed to be the experts (and pay for it too! Man I want Allergan to get their pants sued off.)
January 28, 2016
Scary 1 word we are thankful &I'm so sad !greedy specialist! Unfair
January 28, 2016
Yes, very greedy and he just didn't care. No follow up. I guess they think its "just" botox. Well, botox might seem common but if the devil were a liquid, it would be Botox!
UPDATED FROM whatisbeauty
3 months post
Super Buffer Vitamin C
whatisbeautyDecember 9, 2015
I kept getting a daily burning sensation along my cheeks where the Botox had drifted.
It is a disturbing feeling, especially when visually my cheeks have dropped. It made me feel like the poison was continuing to eat up my volume.
I read last week that someone mentioned VitaminC in high doses. I happened to have some Super Buffer Vitamin C by Solaray in my cabinet. I began 4 days ago to take high doses of 4 a day. Along with the Coenzymated B complex.
I am thinking of getting IV injections but for now I am trying this.
After the first day of starting the C , the burning sensation has ceased. Even after doing facial exercises, which before seemed to stimulate it to occur. I will have to see if this works after being in the sauna because that definitely is a trigger.
Looking forward to building y zygomaticus back up. The increase of nasolabial lines in such a short time has been depressing.
This Botox treatment was supposed to help me look refreshed. Biggest lie ever!
Try the Buffer Vitamin C. The buffer keeps it from upsetting the stomach.
It is a disturbing feeling, especially when visually my cheeks have dropped. It made me feel like the poison was continuing to eat up my volume.
I read last week that someone mentioned VitaminC in high doses. I happened to have some Super Buffer Vitamin C by Solaray in my cabinet. I began 4 days ago to take high doses of 4 a day. Along with the Coenzymated B complex.
I am thinking of getting IV injections but for now I am trying this.
After the first day of starting the C , the burning sensation has ceased. Even after doing facial exercises, which before seemed to stimulate it to occur. I will have to see if this works after being in the sauna because that definitely is a trigger.
Looking forward to building y zygomaticus back up. The increase of nasolabial lines in such a short time has been depressing.
This Botox treatment was supposed to help me look refreshed. Biggest lie ever!
Try the Buffer Vitamin C. The buffer keeps it from upsetting the stomach.
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December 19, 2015
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December 19, 2015
I haven't heard of cupping. I will look into that. I think the skin is improving but I'm afraid my smile has been permanently altered. Now, if I went into this KNOWING this was a possibility, then I would be more at peace with this change, but the expert plastic surgeon told me that this was just like a hair-cut, and everything would go back to normal. If they want patients to trust and respect them, then these doctors should tell the whole truth.
I got my labs done this past week. My kidney function has decreased. I told my primary care physician about the botox injections in september. Of course, my primary care physician says that botox is safe, because they all read the same script. I should see a nephrologist. I mean, how can they say that botulism would not effect at least one of the filtering organs? Somehow the body has to expel it.
I'm glad your skin is looking better. This healing business takes time.
I got my labs done this past week. My kidney function has decreased. I told my primary care physician about the botox injections in september. Of course, my primary care physician says that botox is safe, because they all read the same script. I should see a nephrologist. I mean, how can they say that botulism would not effect at least one of the filtering organs? Somehow the body has to expel it.
I'm glad your skin is looking better. This healing business takes time.
December 19, 2015
I know! Thats exactly why I opted for botox. I thought it was less invasive. I paid to look worse!! UGH!!! I just wanted to look refreshed and make those sad frown lines disappear. But it only made me sadder. Its been interesting to learn exactly what so many people are in love with. It just shows me how repressed as a people we are to be comfortable having our faces become a prison, disabling us from showing our true emotions. At its height, the botox effects literally made me feel captive within my face. I just kept thinking, "People do this for years!? WHY??!" it has made me appreciate my ability to show my emotions, wrinkles and all.
December 19, 2015
This is really concerning. I had filler in the past and I will warn you that my experience with voluma (new) has not been the greatest. I am considering fat transfer in the future for my volume loss.
January 26, 2016
My now ex bf did cupping and yes he had alien looking red circles all over his back! So I can just imagine how much more lovely I'd look with that on my face in addition to the eternal grimace. Wow.
January 26, 2016
I was doing it, but things just go back to the way they were after. Its probably more for circulation. I did it on my temples one night for awhile then got a headache. I was trying to plunge them back out.
January 26, 2016
Okay I just went and read about this -- very interesting although scary sounding since I remember my friend telling me that it could be bad for you in huge amounts. But then you read the reverse...going to research this, since vitamin C does work miracles compared to botox.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm glad you were able to find support here in our community. Please keep us posted on how you're doing.