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My Journey to a Perfect Button Nose - San Francisco, CA

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After years of debating and researching and...

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After years of debating and researching and lurking, I finally decided to go through with a rhinoplasty. I made a list of every surgery I have ever wanted and realized that this--by far--tops the list.

Admittedly, I have never had a terrible nose and never heard anything but positive comments on it. Most people would never guess that I have ever wanted a nose job because I don't talk about it. But ever since middle school (when, incidentally, I learned about Photoshop), I've hated my fat nostrils and noticed how much better I look with a smaller nose in every picture. Like our typical teen insecurities, it became an obsession--the most major thing holding my face back from being acceptable.

To be honest, I probably would forget about it were my nostrils not so disgusting. But they're just too wide and fat and destroy my otherwise "cute" aesthetic (petite frame, young face, etc.). I want to get them as small and thin as possible--probably an alar base reduction. And while I'm at it, I want to get my tip reduced and refined, and probably sloped so that I can finally have that perfect, tiny ski-slope nose of my dreams!

My consultation is scheduled for when I get back to the Bay. Wish me luck!

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June 4, 2014
I live in SF too and flew down to LA to have Dr. Grigoryants do it. I consulted with Gruber, Most, and Kim in SF and did not feel that any were as good as Dr. G. Maybe consider going to LA if you have the time :)
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June 4, 2014
Thank you for your suggestion! I read your review and I'm impressed--sounds like the dream! I actually have looked at all those doctors but have not yet consulted them, so I'd definitely consider LA for an experience like yours. Would you mind answering some questions and possibly sharing your pictures privately?
June 4, 2014
Of course. PM your email and I will be happy to send photos.
June 4, 2014
Oh, and I am always wandering around Hermes, Chanel, Barneys or NM so if you ever want to see it in person, I would be happy to show you :)
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June 4, 2014
Thank you! I'll PM you and I might have to take you up on that offer when I get back :)
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June 4, 2014
Good luck!! I'm also from the Bay Area and assume you're going with Dr. Kim? Looking forward to your updates. Thanks very much for sharing your photos and story with us! You must be very excited!
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June 4, 2014
Thank you for the comment! I'm really sorry to hear about your terrible experience, I hope you (and your nose) are better. Why do you say Dr. Kim? I haven't decided on a surgeon yet but I was planning to consult with him. I am definitely excited!
June 4, 2014
Please read the "15 things before rhinoplasty sticky" and remember to ask EXACTLY what the surgeon you choose will be doing, implants or grafts he'll use if necessary, if it's open or closed, post-op swelling treatments (like kenalog). Good luck.
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June 4, 2014
Thanks for this advice! I will definitely try to discuss everything I can and this site has been helping immensely.
June 5, 2014
Hello Dear Girl, You are truly a beauty just the way you are and I so hope you can find your way clear to this realization before you go ahead and follow an illusion, believing you will be happier with a new nose. While in theory a perfect new nose would be wonderful, however, most experience shows that surgery rarely, if ever, produces what we wished we were born with. No matter what a surgeon tells you, you won't get the nose you see in your mind's eye. I followed the illusion just like you are doing now, thinking that a little revision to give my already really nice and almost perfectly symmetrical nose a little more definition and I would be "pretty" (instead of "cute). I have been suffering ever since with infections and discomfort and now my nose is quite unsymmetrical. Please think long and hard before you trade your lovely nose for something you don't know yet. Makeup and shading can give you what you want, and forget the camera. Some of us just don't translate that well onto film even though we think we are better looking than what we see in a photo, so pictures really don't show us as we are. Remember, in photos we are looking at ourselves backwards and that's why we don't often relate to what we see in the picture. I relate to all of your thoughts, so please, think before you go under the knife and give up your perfectly lovely nose. I wish you all the best, Nancy
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June 5, 2014
Nancy, I can tell that you can relate because you essentially echoed all of my doubts and fears. I'm really sorry that you had an awful experience--stories like yours definitely make me think twice (and thrice and four times and five...). But I'm decided to at least take the first step and consult doctors, because I know I'll never stop thinking about it if I don't. Wish me luck!
June 6, 2014
It's great that we have this forum to guide, inform and educate each other in this uncharted personal territory. Until you breach your own body going under for these procedures, you can never predict how your own body will react and respond. The left side of my face, nose and neck healed pretty much as expected while the right side reacted much differently and is still swollen and not settled down. If you are determined to go through with it, please take your time in finding the right doctor and one whose primary practice is rhinoplasty. ASK all your questions so you know exactly what his strategy is for reshaping your nose and really look closely at the before and afters of his past patients. If he opens your nose, and chances are that he will have to in order to mold for the results you desire, make sure to observe the columella scar. Highly skilled surgeons will suture a "W". As this heals the most consistently. Don't be shy about questioning in his office because you have to trust someone you really don't know with your most precious possession - your appearance and self perspective. So, I wish you the absolute best in every regard and please keep us posted as you move along. Nancy
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June 6, 2014
This is very good advice as I have met many, many people since my botched surgeries, who would do anything to have their natural nose back. This includes me. Plastic surgery has ruined my looks and has caused me much anguish. This is why, if you're going to gamble on it, do your homework to greatly improve your chances of a good outcome.
June 6, 2014
Hi Faith, It's really remarkable just how many women would turn back the hands of time and make another decision regarding the altering of their appearance with surgery. I think I am a little older than a lot of women participating in this forum so age isn't necessarily a deterrent in making an incorrect choice. Perhaps we are all seeking a change on the outside visible when the work would be of so much more value if we addressed the needs we are hoping to fulfill from inside our personal sense of identity. I'm so saddened to hear of your personal struggle and I hope you will be able to find the light through your situation. Perhaps you should write your story so others can learn by your understanding and also support you as you move forward in life to discover a new level of self love and acceptance. The young women seeking information here would really benefit from your thoughts and guidance. Please remember that nothing in this human life experience is without a purpose and you will greatly benefit from discovery of what that is in this situation. I had another columella scar revision yesterday and I am confident that my situation will heal and be ok to live with. My surgery was supposed to be closed but I woke up with the news that I lacked any cartilage in the columella to support the new structure in the tip of my nose. Hence I incurred an unsightly scar that resembled a wart or otherwise growth under my nose. The first revision didn't remove all of it so yesterday was necessary to attempt a finish to the whole thing. Four months of pain and really suffering and my surgeon was stingy with the pain killers so I found little relief from the discomfort. I wish for you all the best in everything. Please keep us posted of your thoughts and progress. Nancy
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June 6, 2014
Thanks Nancy. I have written 3 reviews and at some point will get a rhino revision and also write about that. Best of luck to you!
June 5, 2014
Are you consulting with Gruber? I haven't had surgery with him yet so I can't personally vouch for him, but in my opinion, he has a great aesthetic (probably the best I've seen), and he's definitely renowned in the field (gives the keynote speech at global rhinoplasty symposiums, publishes research, etc). He's worth a consult.
June 5, 2014
He does do nice work, but his age and the fact that he only does open rhinos deterred me. I would say he would have been my top choice in the Bay area too (if it weren't for those factors). He also says that he goes back and does minor revisions on about 20-25% of patients-- which was a little higher than I was comfortable with! Definitely a nice guy and a master of noses though. After seeing that a lot of the "old masters" Pastorek etc. do closed, I was more comfortable going with that method as the healing is much, much faster. I will re-paste what I posted on another thread re: open v. closed.
June 5, 2014
June 5, 2014
As my last comment was deleted due to be posted verbatim from Make Me heal, I recommend you go to that site and go to the forums and read the post by Miss J under "open vs closed" -- it is very informative and explains why closed is generally better for primaries!
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June 5, 2014
Yes, I was going to consult with him and agree with you completely! When are you having your surgery? I have to say though, CoutureGirl makes a good point. I'll have to talk to him first but I'm not crazy about the idea of open surgery either.
June 7, 2014
i feel ya about wanting to avoid closed; i feel the same, although very few doctors use that approach these days. i'm looking into pastorek, too, because i've personally seem some amazing results from him and he's basically considered a 'master.' but gruber is definitely worth a consult, especially since he's so close to you. his aesthetic is definitely my favorite of the docs out there.
July 3, 2014
chose your surgeon by his results not his technique! remember everyone has their own opinion!
July 3, 2014
excuse me "the technique"
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Medical Tourism

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Well, as time has not been passing quickly enough toward my scheduled consultations in August, I've been seeking out surgeons and experts everywhere I go and gathering as much information as I can in the meantime. Most recently, I spoke with a doctor couple and they made a really strong case for this almost terrifying concept: medical tourism.

My main reason for not even considering countries outside the U.S. was that there is such little information available to me--online and locally--about the doctors' reputation, patients, office, etc. The sources I trust most regarding any surgeon are their previous patients and colleagues who know them personally, as they tend to be the most honest. This is hard to find when stepping outside the border and losing the bulk of my social network. However, you do have to acknowledge the massive pros:

- Drastic savings in cost (60-80% at least), even with flight tickets and accommodation
- Specialized quarters and treatment for medical tourists
- Expedited process pre- and post-op
- Excuse to travel :)

Really though, getting the best surgeon with the most up-to-date technology for a diminutive fraction of the price in a foreign country versus attempting to schedule a top surgeon himself over months and thousands of dollars in the U.S. begs for a serious re-evaluation of my dedication to American medicine. Plus, this MD couple mentioned a few contacts they could provide were I to decide to pursue the medical tourist route, which certainly helps.

I don't know. I was pretty set on a California surgeon, but these recent discussions have made me question my choice. I am most likely going to be in Europe and Asia at the end of this month, so I will see if I can get in touch with anyone overseas and research this option further while I'm at it.

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July 3, 2014
I've been thinking the same thing in regards to medical tourism. You should look into Dr. Baris Cakir in Istanbul. He is esteemed among his peers, speaks at rhino conventions, participates in frequent research, and performs closed rhinoplasty with a unique contouring approach that delivers a refined tip. I am currently scouring resources and attempting to do as much research as I can about him.
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July 3, 2014
That is actually so funny you mention that. A few of the the references I was given are from Istanbul (pretty popular destination from what I understand) and I'm planning on paying a visit when I fly over there in a few weeks. I will make sure to check out Dr. Cakir and let you know!
July 6, 2014
Yes, I would love to hear about your consults and compare notes! Nazim Cerkes in Turkey was also recommended to me-- he is well regarded and has impressive results, but I'm not as fond of his aesthetic as Cakir, and he seems to prefer an open approach which I'd like to avoid for a primary. But definitely worth looking into if you haven't already. As for Cakir, he's a sculptor as well (many docs can't even draw), so he seems to have a solid handle on beauty ratios/ anatomical harmony. He has a detailed YouTube video of his polygon technique which shows him performing surgery--I would link it here but I don't think real self allows outside links. Anyway, good luck!
July 4, 2014
Please remember...the cheap way is the expensive way, especially when it comes to surgery. I am just six months out on my tip revision and i personally feel you would be crazy to travel to such an extent and be that far away from your surgeon. I have been back to my surgeons office multiple times and have had two columella scar revisions. It is just now settling down and the tip is more evident now and will be even more so as time passes. I had moments of regret because I had a nice nose but decided I just wanted a little more point and definition to it. I had an infection inside my nose, the columella scar was not healing and was perpetually sore and wouldn't heal. I paid a top doctor in my area and he stayed with me until I was healing and recovering more completely. He never charged for either revision and the office visits, even though both my husband and myself offered on several occasions. I'm just getting used to my new look, and even though it was a minor revision, it was a major happening to go through. I finally like what I see and am no longer in any discomfort. The scar is healing better and settling down although still pinker than the rest of my face, albeit, easier to conceal now with cosmetics. Please consider paying the best doc in your area that you can afford and you'll be glad you did. My situation was complicated by the fact that I didn't have the cartilage to support the new configuration, but this wasn't known until he opened up my nose. He did a great job getting me where i should be, and thank goodness he wasn't thousands of miles away. Wishing you the best...
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July 4, 2014
I'm glad to hear that you're making progress! It sounds like you picked a good doctor. You're absolutely right about the distance bit; it's certainly discomforting thinking about what would happen were there to be a complication post-op as in your case. However, I will obviously be discussing all of that with every surgeon with whom I speak and, luckily, I have an extensive range of medical contacts who can help me here and elsewhere. I'm simply exploring this option for now, not jumping into anything. Hopefully my process helps someone having the same thoughts. Thank you though, and I wish you a quick recovery :)
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July 31, 2014
You don't need anything done. You are beautiful now. Theres nothing disgusting about your nose. Be Thankful
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Consultations in Istanbul

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After some research and upon your requests, I am finally sitting down to detail my limited impressions of the rhinoplasty scene in Istanbul. I had a few doctors I definitely wanted to see, and a few recommended to me during my visit, but all in all I am only going to share the ones who stood out, be it in a good or bad way.
- Dr. Baris Cakir: I called his office to make an appointment before flying over (you know how far in advance surgeons book up), but was repeatedly unable to reach their line. So I contacted my doctor friends in Turkey to gauge just how hard I should try to get a consultation with Dr. Cakir. 3/3 confirmed that he was an ambitious, successful surgeon and recommended keeping him under consideration. Unfortunately, once I did get through to his office line in Turkey, they were already booking appointments into this month. Hence, I was not able to speak with him personally.
- Dr. Fevzi Yavas: I spoke to this doctor after strong personal recommendations from a few friends. He had a clean office in a central location and was polite in answering all of my questions (even about other surgeons!). He is very experienced and has operated on even his close relatives, including his own daughter. However, he did not want to modify any part of my tip or bridge and said that I should only get the alar base reduction, if that. I asked to see examples of similar patients, but from what I was shown (and having settled on what I want), I gained the feeling that Dr. Yavas would not be the best choice for my specific case.
- Dr. Nazim Cerkes: I actually had a consultation booked for this doctor when I arrived in Istanbul, but multiple surgeons with whom I spoke were hesitant to recommend him. Apparently, he is not very esteemed among his peers at all. Thus, I crossed him off the list and canceled the appointment.
All other doctors that I had on my list were either not strong enough candidates or unwilling to perform surgery on my nose. If you would like an opinion on anyone specifically, feel free to PM me.

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September 8, 2014
So this might sound infeasible, but have you considered Tehran? They have the highest rate of rhino in the world and despite media portrayals and with enough preparation/discretion, might be a workable locale. Someone on realself recently posted stellar results from Dr. Alireza Mohebbe.
April 18, 2015
Yes, I live in Sweden and I have iranian friends who went to Iran and come back to Sweden with michael jackson noses.
February 21, 2015
According to Dr.CERKES "multiple surgeons with whom I spoke were hesitant to recommend him". Thank you so much for telling us this. Who would you recommend if I want to get a rhinoplasty surgery in Turkey? In the meantime, thank you so much for your attention and participation.
May 30, 2015
I had sent pictures of the procedures I wanted done including rhino plasty, which involved break the top bridge of my nose and tip refinement to remove the bulbous element, upper plasty, upper fat transfer, under eye fat transfer, cheek fat transfer, buccal fat removal, chin implant and under chin liposuction by Dr Cerkes. I recovered in 3 months 8 moths post of. From the UK was treated as VIP given private room meds and other items for recovery. Results are natural and unbelievably fab. I did a lot of research he is the most expensive and difficult surgeon to get hold of esp in August.
August 14, 2016
dou you have pictures before and after with cerkes?
June 19, 2015
What do you mean you were unable to speak to dr cakir personally? Also, do you know how much rhino is with the doctors u considered? Thanks xx
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January 24, 2016
I had a secondary rhinoplasty with Dr nazim cerkes and he completely changed my life. The first doctor I went to was in Calgary, Canada and she deviated my septum, collapsed the skeleton of my nose, and pretty much deformed it. Nazim fixed my breathing and significantly improved the appearance of my nose. I just went back in to shave down the graft a bit more free of charge. I have thick skin and was an extremely difficult case so my hat goes off to him. If anyone has tried to say he isn't an esteemed surgeon i would have to believe it's because he is a threat to their business. He travels to the U.S. and russia to give rhinoplasty lectures all the time. I trust him 100%
August 14, 2016
do you have pictures before and after with cerkes ?
February 8, 2017
i am looking for someone clever with revision cases and ethnic noses...already done it three times. So many dumb doctors exist
July 7, 2017
I have been in touch with Dr Cerkes for rhino next month. I agree that he looks very impressive however some negative comments I have just read have really concerned. Are you able to send me any before and after pics?
January 20, 2018
Hi did u have your revision with cerkes? Xx