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35 Years old but I Feel 80, is It my Breast Implants? I'm Getting an Explant After Everything I've Read on Here! - Orange County

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IttybittyTC2014
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I like many other women are having the same symptoms with my joint pain, muscle pain, exhaustion, etc...had all my blood work for lupus, RA come back negative...so now I am diagnosed with Fibromyalgia blah blah. It's very hard for me NOT to think its my implants after reading all these other stories this last week on here. I have almost the same story as it seems a lot of us do.

I had a breast aug in 2009 after nursing my first 3, just wanted to be a little fuller again. I ended up getting the Mentor memory gel smooth.

If it wasn't my friend who is a PA to make the recent connection with my implants, I would have never known to look. She didn't know I even had implants but she's known of all my ailments that started right after I got my implants. She has lupus and because of my symptoms she told me I should maybe get tested for lupus...I did and it was negative. When she found out last week that I had implants that's when she said "how long ago did your joint pain start?" Then I said well over 4 years...then it HIT ME!!
I googled 'joint pain and breast implants' and THERE IT WAS! SO MANY people like me.
I have no reason to be overly dramatic or make things up. I have four young kids to care for and I can barley get through my day. I feel like and 80 year old person whose always in pain all over my body. Pain meaning stiff joints, muscle exhaustion, feels like I have tendonitis in my elbows and buttocks, my hips are killing me, and my shoulders and back are so tight. I can't even get to sleep unless I've had a hard pressure back massage. Talk about always feeling irritable because I feel horrible.

I am getting an explant and wanted to know why or why wouldn't a doctor remove the capsule? Most women say they still remain sick unless the capsule is gone, but my doctor said to leave the capsule & he's amazing.

Please reach out if you've had these symptoms after implants and you feel better after the removal!!
THANKS!

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February 8, 2014
I am 33 years old with 9 yr old implants. I've had the same symptoms and then some (fatigue, joint pain, GI issues, thyroid issues) all related to auto immune disorders. I was completely healthy until about 1 year after having implants placed. Ive been to doctors and have had multiple tests done that are all normal, but the symptoms persisted. I was finally diagnosed with Hashimotos (thyroid) and Crohns a few years ago .. Both autoimmune diseases. My GI doctor has told me that he has had a few patients my age with Crohns and we all have one thing in common .... IMPLANTS! I have read online about so many other women who have developed these same symptoms after having implants. I know most doctors will tell you there is no connection, but I'm convinced there is. Go to breastimplantsupport.com and read the countless stories of women who claim to have similar stories.
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February 8, 2014
How long ago did you really believe that it really could be your implants? Are you planning on having them out just to see if maybe that's what it could be? I read that women have recovered fully after they get them out. Thanks so much for writing, I def don't feel crazy or alone ;) I will go to that site!
February 8, 2014
I started thinking about it a couple years ago, but didn't really put a lot of thought into until about 6 months ago. That's when I started looking into other women's stories and so many of them are so similar to mine. I'm still young, am pretty active and have no family history of any of these type problems. I am hoping to have my implants removed in the near future. I've already been to one consultation and I'm waiting to see what one other doctor has to say about explantation. Either way, my mind is made up. I want them OUT!
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February 8, 2014
Yes I'm with you on that! I've already been to a couple doctors, one who is amazing but does not want to remove the capsule so now I have to wonder WHY?! And should I find a doctor that can do the "en bloc"? He explants ALL THE TIME and doesn't want to do it. It would be so awful to spend all that money and still feel horrible. He said he doesn't remove the capsule because the breast needs that tissue :o/ SO now I'm reading en bloc vs. leaving the capsule and there are SOOOOO many opinions on that! I just want to feel better!!!
February 8, 2014
I made it clear to the doc that I want the capsule GONE.
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February 8, 2014
I didn't want to challenge his professional opinion, but on the other hand everything I keep reading suggests that you def should. I don't even know if I have a rupture or anything and my implants are super soft, so that's why he said he won't remove the capsule. He said if it was hard then he def would because that signifies bacteria and such...idk...I feel like I'm reading TOO MUCH, but since this came about last week I'm determined to find answers and QUICK...I have 4 little kids to raise!!
February 8, 2014
Search Dr Susan Kolb on the internet and listen to what she says. After hearing her and just got her book it makes me sick to think I have had these things in my body for 32 years.
February 8, 2014
Search Dr Susan Kolb and see what she says about the capsule. I would be terrified to leave them in. I'm seeing her in March
February 8, 2014
I agree with you! I want capsule out. Who wants to end up with another surgery to remove them?
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February 12, 2014
I just got my implants out last week and I can relate well with what you are going thru. So many questions and impossible to get all the answers. Here's what my PS told me: She said she won't be able to determine much about capsules and ruptures until she gets in there during surgery. Thank God I had a very thin capsule and no rupture BUT a close friend of mine that got the surgery last fall had a very thick capsule and both implants were ruptured! (I had my implants for 6 years and my friend had her for 7 years) Because I didn't have any complications my surgery and recovery has been a breeze. I love the way I feel and I love the way I look. I believe that implants are bad for us in every way: physically and mentally! Some of your problems could be psychological. I know when I was concerned about mine, it is all I thought of. I am OCD and there were nights that I wanted to drive to the ER and ask them to get my implants out because I felt that they were toxic. I know it probably sounds crazy but my point is that some of us that get implants never accept them on the psychological level and I feel that after so many years we just can't stop thinking about the two foreign objects we had surgically placed into our bodies. The worrying turns into stress and fatigue which releases stress hormones in our bodies can cause the joint pains, depression, low energy, etc. Now this is only my opinion but I lived it for the last 6 years. My health slowly started deteriorating the exact year I got my implants. Each year that passed I felt weaker in my work-outs. I started believing it must be that I'm getting older, but I'm only 46! I got my implants out and WOW I'm like a new person. I just love not having the weight of those two implants on top of me not. I feel like I had a 6 year pregnancy! Hallelujah! I'm back to me. I can't wait to run a 5K this spring! I'm certain you will feel better when you get the implants out.
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February 12, 2014
Thank you so much for writing! Yesterday I saw another doc that said the same thing about the capsule staying in.. He said my implants were so new that there may not even been much capsule to remove, so I'm finding peace with that. He mainly work with breast cancer patients and came across very honest, although he doesn't believe there is any connection either. Because my thought is if someone just naturally had a thin capsule and they couldn't literally remove it "en bloc" then what is that person suppose to do? So I'm ok with just getting them out and maybe a lift for later. At least if I get them out then I can see if my symptoms lessen. I actually never thought about my implants because my breasts are so squishy and they actually do feel like part of my body haha, but now after reading all this I'm going crazy haha. SO happy to hear you feel like a different person...I'm praying this is my answer!!
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February 12, 2014
Everyone on this site told me that I was going to feel better when I got the implants out and they were 100% right.
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February 12, 2014
So do you think it's ok to have them removed NOT "en bloc" some women say they are still sick until the capsule comes out, but what is there isn't much of a capsule?! I'm super hopeful after all these AMAZING stories :)
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February 12, 2014
I'm so glad to hear that, Violet!
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February 14, 2014
I pray it's your answer too. Just remember to be patient, it's a process :)
February 14, 2014
Thanks bird7 for your support. I will keep everyone posted. I need to get these toxic things out!!! And I need to find the right doctor that is experienced in doing explantations as well as cleaning all the toxic out!! I'm from Massachusetts does anyone know of a PS who is well known for doing this type of procedure??
February 14, 2014
Dr Susan Kolb, but she is in Atlanta. I have read of several others in different locations.
February 14, 2014
Bigmistake82 Thanks:). Did you have yours removed?
February 14, 2014
Not yet. I'm still waiting for my apt March 31, and while I wait trying to read and learn more. Don't want to make any more big mistakes! Ha Ha! You should go to YouTube and listen to Dr Kolb talk about both kinds of implants. She sounds amazing.
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February 16, 2014
I'm from Arizona but I'm sure there are some gals out your way that might have some suggestions :)
February 8, 2014
Look on utube and see some of the explants and the capsule. Also Dr Susan Kolb has done much research on implants and you can listen to her also. From what I have read the symptoms won't go away if you don't remove the capsules. I have an apt March 31 with Dr Kolb and can't wait to see what she says. .
February 8, 2014
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February 8, 2014
Yes I just did this morning but it's closed to all new people. But I have been reading and wow. I'm def not alone.
February 8, 2014
I'm a new person, but I was able to read all of the comments. That's where I got a lot of info from ladies with symptoms like mine. Did you get read any of them?
February 8, 2014
I've heard Dr. Kolb speak. She also has a detox protocol for women with breast implant syndrome. He recommends removing the capsules en bloc.
February 8, 2014
Yes and have you read her book? It's on Amazon. I read it in 2 days - couldn't put it down!
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February 8, 2014
Oh wow...just the crazy amount of reading I've been doing has my full attention about all this only because I have been suffering thinking I'm never going to feel better. Does doing the "en bloc" ruin the shape of the breast or what it looks like? From what my doctor said, it def will, but I've seen some after photos of women and their breasts look totally fine! I'm not even sure I have a ruptured implant...does that matter for the "en bloc". Do you have to have something actually leaking or anything to "qualify" for the "en bloc"? My right breast has been dull achey for quite sometime, but that feeling actually goes down my right arm. Maybe I should have an ultrasound?
February 8, 2014
From what I've read some drs don't want to do that. It is a harder surgery and I guess they don't want to fool with it. This is what I want though.
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February 9, 2014
My symptoms are so much better 9 months later! I too had every symptom you could think of and most have gradually decreased. I still have bouts of fatigue but nothing like it used to be. Good luck on your journey, I think you'll find this is the ticket back to health!
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February 9, 2014
Thanks so much for writing in...as you probably know since my recent connection with all of this I have been on this site every day trying to find reasons and just making sure that this could seriously be why I've had all these weird symptoms for the last 4 years. It's hard to think that I will feel better, especially since I've been SO tired and my joints and muscles have been hurting for so long, but I want to stay positive!! How can 2 little bags make you SO SICK?! I'm really thinking that this has to be the answer. My bug thing now is the "en bloc", do you do it or not? My Dr. who is Newport does explants all the time and rarely removes the capsule, but women who don't seem to still be sick and end up going to get it removed :(
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February 9, 2014
Hi Laguna4kids, my Doc removed as much of the capsule as she could. She explained to me that I had such a thin capsules that they tore. Some women's bodies create a thick capsule and some don't. If your Doc is unwilling to even try you might consider finding one of the docs on the explant list or one that is willing to remove your capsule. I asked my Doc ahead of time to photograph my implants and capsules which she was happy to do, heck she even offered me the implants! I politely declined :) Your doc says he rarely does the en bloc but if you request it he may??? Let him know that it's important to you and your peace of mind. You are the patient and you're shelling out the $$$ so you get your way! Good luck sweetie, stay firm in your convictions :)
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February 9, 2014
Is there an explant list on this site? I'm assuming there is. Yea I mean he said he does these a lot, and rarely removes the capsule and he's pretty well known in the area and he really seems to know his stuff so I didn't want to irritate him with my "well I read it on the internet" talk :o/ Thanks for your words :)
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February 9, 2014
Agreed, don't irritate him just let him know that psychologically you'd fell better about it, he should get that :)
February 9, 2014
Hey bird! I ended up seeing a functional medicine physician who started me on bio-identical hormones which have made a world of difference for my fatigue. I had no idea how bad off I was until I started feeling better.
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February 9, 2014
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February 9, 2014
I've heard good things about the bio-identicals, will have to look into it. So you're feeling pretty good then Explaining Texan, that's great to hear!
February 9, 2014
I am also on bioidentical hormones. It does help. But I haven't had my explant yet.
February 9, 2014
Read Dr Susan Kolb's book and listen to her on U tube. The capsules can have deposits in them that could still make you sick. When I have my surgery, I want it ALL gone!
February 10, 2014
Bird7, were your capsules removed?
February 11, 2014
Yes, they definitely helped. Still have some times of fatigue but have to do the best I can.
February 11, 2014
Best of luck to you, bigmistake82!
February 12, 2014
Do you have a slow leak?
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February 12, 2014
Hi ShantelH, if you look at my pics you'll see that my Doc did he best to remove what little capsule I had, she knew how important it was to me.
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February 12, 2014
so she really couldn't remove it "en bloc" then since there was barley any capsule correct? Another doctor today told me that my implants were only 4 years old and the mentor silicon gel implants don't bleed so it is very unlikely that there is anything in the capsule...only a rupture would cause issue and with the silicone gel & that it's next to impossible. He did say he would do it for me, but unless it comes our all in one piece vs. them picking our a thin capsule I feel like it defeats the purpose? Am I way off here?? :o/ HELP!
February 12, 2014
Search Dr Susan Kolb and listen to her on utube. She has done much research and speaks on this, both for saline and silicone. It helped me and I 'm seeing her in March.
February 13, 2014
I had Mentor silicone gel implants and they were intact and had a full capsulectomy. My doctor explained to me that the toxins of the silicone gel do seep out of the implant and into the capsule (however thin it may be) and there your body's immune system attempts attack the toxins. She and her staff have seen and heard the health issues of thousands of patients with ruptured and intact silicone and saline implants. She also sends away the capsule for a pathology report to further substantiate. I chose my doctor for her reputation and also because she's one of the few who is willing to see the correlation. Despite what the doctors say or don't say, only time will tell for me if my implants and maybe the surrounding capsule were what was making me ill. When it came down to it, I'm 34 years old, have been sick for almost a year now, and off of work for 4 months with no date of return. My health issues have only been tumble weeding over this year despite aggressive treatments, detoxes, diets, cleanses, and meds - I used to be the epitome of health and now I can barely leave the house. There are a few websites out there of people telling their personal accounts and I found these to be the most helpful with making my decision. Everyone is different and we all heal and recovery differently. Either way, follow your gut with the doctor and procedure you feel most comfortable with. We are all here to support you.
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February 13, 2014
AWE this post just grabbed me...I'm telling you, I've always been so in tune with my body and last year after 4 years of pain I said "you know what, something just isn't right"...even my husband said "why do you always have so many things wrong?" I said I agreed...but I couldn't defend myself because I didn't know...now after all this...it really connects everything for me. The doctor I did see today was really honest, he does a lot of breast cancer reconstruction, and a lot of non profit work...and he said he would do a capsulectomy but it prob really doesn't matter and the price diff is $1500 under local, vs. $4250 under general...I just want them out so idk...he really did say that the new mentor implants that I have DO NOT LEAK OR BLEED, so what am I suppose to day. I told him that I talk to women on this site and he wasn't rude but he said "well did they have a rupture? What is the whole story?" Yea doctors just aren't seeing something...THANK YOU for this post tonight...I do feel that paying the $1500 to just get them out is worth it but I def think I may "what if" if I don't do the whole capsulectomy...I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO :(
February 13, 2014
These doctors are likely going to shrug off everything you say about what you have read online about people getting ill. Their careers, lifestyles and livelihood depend on these implants and cosmetic surgery. As mentioned above, look up Dr. Kolb (she herself experienced the illness from her own implants) and also Dr. Melmed and Dr. Feng... I'm sure there are several others as well who believe the connection. As stressful and frustrating as it may be, take a deep breath and know you're on the right path. In terms of the financial implications, the way I justified it was, I have spent THOUSANDS over the years on various treatments, detoxes, massages and acupuncture for back pain, so if removing the implants is the answer, I'll potentially be saving money. Also, if you don't have your health, what do you have?
February 13, 2014
Just finished Dr Kolb's book last night. You really need to read it or at least listen to her on u tube. She explains it there.
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February 13, 2014
Lunabelle, Well Said! I like my doctor is the sense that she is nice and all but I lost all my respect for her professionally speaking. You said it best and we must all recognize that these doctors often shrug off what we are telling them because their careers, lifestyles and livelihood do depend on how much we keep spending in their offices. My PS put my implants in 3 weeks after my original consult, then 5 years later when I told her in tears how badly I wanted them out and I believed they were contributing to my health issues she told me I should wait at least one full year before making my decision. She told me she thought I could be making an emotional, not factual decision. So I waited an extra year and the wait was horrible! Everyday I thought about how badly I wanted these things out. Then when the year passed I went to her and said: "Okay, I'm ready! Take these implants out!" She told me how great I looked and showed me my original pics to psych me out of going thru explant. Funny thing is that I loved seeing my old pics! My body was beautiful and I couldn't wait to get back to being just me - implant free! I told her that and then.....Guess what??? She tried to sell me a lift! (LoL) I said not thanks! I'm DONE with plastic surgery! Only thing is I wish she had asked me to wait a year and think about the surgery when I originally went for first consult to get implants because that is when my decision was emotionally charged. So everyone please be careful about what these doctors are advising. Don't become a lifetime plastic surgery patient. As mentioned above, a lot is riding for many of these PS that you keep coming in. Only we can make the best decisions for ourselves. I've made my share of mistakes thru all this implant stuff BUT the best decision I ever made was get explant (And my doctor advised I wouldn't like the way I look). LoL I'm happier than I've been in a very long time!
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February 13, 2014
I disagree, I believe eventually all silicone bleeds, time is the enemy for our bodies while implanted...whether it's silicone or saline. As for having your Doc remove any capsule beit thin or thick, whole or in pieces; that is a personal decision. I just felt more at peace knowing what could be removed was. Talk to some of the girls on the forum that have had fairly recent silicones removed and see what they had done, that should be helpful. Good luck :)
February 13, 2014
I'm so happy that I found this group... Like you all I am going through the same thing. I have silicon implants that are 11 years old and have a lot if symptoms that you all are experiencing. Tingling in both arms, thinning hair, no libido and I'm a healthy 44 year old woman. Pains throughout my body, raynauds, depression and the list goes on. I noticed a bump under my armpit and had it looked at and they did an ultrasound and said that it was an enlarged lymph node with silicone around it. So I had diagnostic mammogram today and the doctor thought it looked like there was silicone on my right implant which is the same side as the lymph node.. So now I am going for a MRI tomorrow and am so scared!!! Because if it is a slow leak I have no idea how long it's been leaking!! Which explains what is going on with my body and all these symptoms. Now I'm scared about what thus poison is doing to me:(((
February 14, 2014
Water Bra, are your implants silicone?
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February 14, 2014
Amen girl!!
UPDATED FROM IttybittyTC2014
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"En Bloc" or NOT? Help me!

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IttybittyTC2014
I'm am drowning in all the opinions of whether or not to have them removed "en bloc", my Dr. in Newport says he rarely does it and that I don't need one, but what if I'm still sick after spending all that money? Then I would have always done the "what if"...I just want to feel good again, yet almost every Dr. has a different opinion :( I have had my silicone gel implants about 4 1/2 years!

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February 10, 2014
Good for you for spending the time to do some research! I was in the same boat and after 3 days of non-stop reading, I booked my surgery to happen within two weeks (this Wednesday!). I'm about the same age, but single with no kids, and I can tell you that I only want to be doing this surgery ONCE. My health is compromised, so if this removal is something that can possibly make me even remotely better, I'm going to go for it and not take any chances. Whatever you decide is your choice, but think about how you are feeling, the down time it takes to recover from just the one surgery, and if you can handle the 'what ifs' if your health doesn't not improve if you don't remove the capsule.
February 10, 2014
I agree. It would be terrible to go through surgery and then not get well. Who wants to go through another one to remove the capsule? Just think about the physical trauma and the financial expense.
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February 10, 2014
I just got my implants out on Feb 4th and I couldn't be happier! Good luck with your surgery!
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February 10, 2014
I think it's just finding a doctor that will remove the capsules and make me feel like THAT is the right choice...ya know? I'm just confused why a reputable Dr. would say leave the capsules in when he knows I have these symptoms? I think it's because some doctors truly don't believe that there is a link???
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February 10, 2014
Were you symptomatic also from your implants? And that's awesome you're happy! Congrats :)
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February 10, 2014
It really would be so like I said I just have to figure out why this reputable Dr. does not want to do it. He said if my breast was hard he would but since it's so soft he said there is no need to remove the capsule :(
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February 10, 2014
I think most doctors don't believe there is a link.
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February 10, 2014
I'm SO glad you found us! I agree that different doctors do seem to have different opinions on capsule removal. If you insist, do you think your doc will respect that? You can tell him you just don't want any question marks after this is all over. Or, you could always look for another surgeon, too. Not easy or fun, I know. But I want you to feel good about this!

It looks like you're getting a lot of great support on your story already. We are here for you!
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February 10, 2014
Thanks! My brain is just on overload, and when all you want is to feel better, you get sort of crazy with all the responses. What if the capsule is "too thin" then what? They can't remove it and even though I don't have a rupture I will still be sick?!!!!
UPDATED FROM IttybittyTC2014
8 days pre

Rheumatologist said I have Fibromyalgia and I need more sleep...WHAT?!

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I went to see the Rheumatologist yesterday and at first I was nervous to start telling her everything that was going on because there's a list!
I could tell she was irritated by the end of that list and then I told her I think it may be because of my implants. She acted like she's never heard of that, but said to def get them out because she thought I had anxiety about it. haha I said "Yes I probably am a little anxious because I've been in this mystery pain for over 4 years and now I feel like it's spreading to my upper shoulders and my neck"
Then she asked if I've ever been in a car wreck, and I said yea a little one back in like 1998.
I just hate answering those kind of questions from YEARS back being that my symptoms have been just the last 4 years.
I had a ton of blood work done and xrays on my lower back and neck per her request. I have had a bad lower back for as long as I can remember but never have I had trouble walking up a set of stairs or just cooking bacon.
She said "explain your pain" I said "well I just ache all over all the time, and I'm exhausted, my muscles feel exhausted and so do my elbows they ache"
It seems like an easy question to answer but when you are talking to a medical Dr. you can't just say "pain" they don't get it & I don't expect them to. It's almost like you need to experience it first hand.

So I walked out of there thinking if my blood tests come back fine it's def my implants. I've never had so many ailments in my life!! I just want to feel better :)

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