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Not in Love with Invisalign (Yet??) - Raleigh, NC

UPDATED FROM Wednesdayz.child
1 year post

Refinement Tray 11 of 13, the home stretch!

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Wednesdayz.child
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So it's been a long time since my last review and I really had no hope that things were going to end up well. But I think maybe they will after all : )
My retainer slowly came to fit me, so much that I wasn't even able to put in the replacement retainer they sent away for (although I think THAT one would have fit perfectly before!). And since it's been months now and my teeth haven't moved, I don't think, I am ok with the retainer I have. And although I did wear it for a few hours during the day at first, I quickly went to night only and that seems to be just fine for me.

My bottom teeth have improved a lot. I feel like the arch I was seeing before has greatly reduced, I'm not exactly sure how but I'm also not complaining! My dentist says she will file down some of the bottom teeth when I'm all done, to make it a little flatter, but I think I'm going to be ok with it either way. Right now the main concern is that my bite is all strange. My teeth only touch in three small places in the back and mostly hit in the front, which won't be ok at all. I do have about 5 more weeks of trays to go through so we'll see if anything changes.

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June 6, 2015
Omg i was so sure i Wanted invisaglin but now im not too sure. My issues are not as visable as the ones you described in your first post, it's only my four lower front teeth that's a fine bit crooked because of my wisdom teeth pushed them forward. Apart from that my teeth have always been really good. So I thought I invisaglin would be perfect but now im second guessing it. I spoke to a dentist and jaw surgoen and he told me that I need to see a orthodontist and never let a normal dentist touch my teeth in regards of altering them. Do you have normal braces now? What's more comfortable normal bracelet or Invisalign? I'm thinking if I just should put in bracelet on the inner side of my teeth instead. It's the same price here in Europe. I also must ask have you been to an orthodontist to check on your teeth and compare the X-ray photos to before and after? All the best /L
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June 6, 2015
Hi! No, I have not done any regular braces as an adult. I remember them being terrible as a kid, though, but they were not on the inside of my teeth. I agree, go to an orthodontist! I had no idea how important it would be to have someone who knows if the procedure is working properly. I assumed that the trays were pre-planned and your teeth just moved correctly because the trays set their movement. I had no idea how much can go not-as-planned!
July 24, 2015
It makes me feel a little better to have read your story. My childhood dentist made very poor choices about my smile, leaving me with an "extremely difficult case" to correct. One problem is that my front teeth are both a boxy, unattractive proportion AND too wide (not just proportionally to wide, but way wider than the average person's front teeth), giving me a case of chiclet mouth. I explained this problem to no fewer than THREE dentists whilst getting consultations, and all three suggested that I "optically" solve the problem by making my too-wide teeth longer! Yes, lengthening my teeth would make my teeth the golden proportion. But if the teeth were too wide to begin with it means I go from boxy, too wide chiclet teeth to well-proportioned, but TOO LARGE HORSE TEETH. The first dentist that did this, I calmly explained that I specifically ask that he *NOT* do this (I put it in writing beforehand). He seemed confused I was upset. The second dentist that proposed elongating my too-long teeth caused me to just start crying I was so upset to be ignored. The third dentist that did this made me think that dentists are a strange breed of people that are just incapable of paying attention. For each of these dentists, I explained verbally, put it in writing, and put example pictures of what I did and did not want. All of them complimented me on having such a thorough write-up with example pictures. I don't know what else I can do to get my point across. After having a childhood smile wrecked, I don't think I would ever rely on "hoping" the dentist would address issues as I went along. Thanks for sharing the post.
October 30, 2015
Did your bite ever improve?
UPDATED FROM Wednesdayz.child
1 year post

Hawley Retainer Issues 1/22/15

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Ok, so I got my Hawley retainer this morning and I'm a little distressed. I did have braces as a child and afterward I had retainers for awhile and I remember the top one fitting very closely to the roof of my mouth, like, right up against the roof, no gap. The retainer I was just given doesn't touch the roof of my mouth at all!! In fact, when I bite down (I still have a lower tray in) my lower tray hits the retainer and I can feel it flex and squeak as it pushes up a bit. Is this right??? They did humor me and call the Ortho lab and they took a new impression and even sent away for a replacement, but all for MY complaining, my dentist did not seem concerned.

I'm just wondering, am I overreacting? I'm terrified that if I am flexing the retainer when I clench my teeth at night won't that screw it up? Won't that pull my nice straight teeth out of shape or break the retaine?? Am I crazy? I'd love to hear opinions on this, whether anyone else with a Hawley has this gap issue and if it's really ok! GRRRR, I thought this was going to be the easy part!!!

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January 23, 2015

My Hawley definitely stuck tight to the roof of my mouth.  Plus, part of the plastic is actually holding your teeth in place.  The plastic on one side and the wire on the outside.  There should be impressions of the insides of your teeth on the plastic, and those should be flush against your teeth.  Is that the case?

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January 23, 2015
The plastic hits my teeth, I think that's why it won't seat on the roof. It hits too far down the teeth, I think. Although after wearing the retainer overnight it fit better this morning (and my teeth are sore!) but still with some give. I'll be interested to see how the new one fits, I really think this one is wrong.
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January 24, 2015

I remember the Hawley moved my teeth in the beginning as well.  I was, like, isn't it supposed to just keep my teeth the way they are?  But then they kept moving, too--just a tiny bit--so that flossing got harder.  I freaked out :D.  But yeah, I'm interested in hearing how the new one works as well.

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January 24, 2015
Yes! I've already noticed changes. After they took the buttons off my top teeth, but I was still wearing the tray until the Hawley arrived, my teeth started moving! I suddenly had this big gap between my back two teeth that had always been tight. Then I switched to the Hawley and now those back two are tight again but there is a huge gap between the next set up! I have to tell you, the moving really freaks me out, but I haven't noticed any changes in the front...yet! I'm worried that with the flex in the front, the wire might be scraping on my teeth, can this damage them do you think?? Seems like it could! And this morning when I got up, apparently I was clenching so hard (or something??) that I impressed the retainer right into the roof of my mouth and I had this incredible ridge there when I woke up!! That seems odd to me too!! Ugh, it's just one thing after another ; ) Did I mention that now that I can see my top teeth all the time, I am very unhappy with them?? I hadn't realized how unbalanced they are, oh well, maybe there will be more orthodontics in the future but not now!!
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January 25, 2015

I don't think the wire can damage your teeth, but you'll have to ask the doctor about that.  I never even considered it!  Clenching is not good--it might be because the retainer fits so strangely.

As for your top teeth, what are you talking about?!  They look fantastic...?  Am I missing something?

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January 30, 2015
Thanks : ) I'm hoping most people won't look as closely as I do at my teeth, I think generally people don't stare at teeth (I do, but I'm weird!!). The lateral incisors are not even. One (my left) has been pulled down and lines up with my front two teeth but the other, on my right, is shorter and still appears slightly twisted to me. I guess it's "me" though, part of my original smile and I wouldn't be that upset about it except it's just not what was promised!! Same with the bottom teeth, the original clincheck certainly didn't show any arching of the teeth, they were perfectly aligned and straight across!! Oh well. Haven't gotten the replacement retainer yet, still interested to see if it fits better than this one. Thanks again!!
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January 30, 2015

Okay.  So the bottom arch I definitely agree with, which was why I only mentioned the top arch.  :)  In the top arch, that right lateral incisor is so subtle, I thought it was just a different in perspective in the picture :D.  So if that's actually a height difference, then I see what you mean, but it's soooo subtle.  I stare at teeth too, but I just do that because I love teeth--not to judge.  I only stare at teeth I think look beautiful.  And your teeth are looking beautiful!  A little more work and you'll be there.  If you wanted to bring that lat. inc. down a hair, they'd have to put an attachment on it, wouldn't they?

UPDATED FROM Wednesdayz.child
1 year post

First (and hopefully only!) set of refinements

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So I initially was told I'd have 10 sets of trays, then oops! It was actually 15. Two mid-course corrections later I was supposed to be wrapping up at 30 top and 31 bottom, that would have ended just before Christmas. However, there is one tooth that just did not move and so we continue!!

The top teeth are DONE!! At my last appointment (Jan 2nd) my dentist removed all of my upper buttons and took impressions for a retainer, hooray!! My bottom however, will apparently require no less than 13 more trays!!! Ridiculous!! So she did IPR between all of my bottom front teeth and just a day later I can feel they are already tight again. But she says that as soon as my retainer arrives I will no longer have to wear a top tray during the day at all so at least that's good!

My biggest disappointment right now, well, I have three actually, but the worst may be that she says now she cannot fix my chipped front top tooth : ( She is afraid to take too much off by grinding it down a bit and she thinks any bonding she would put on there would get quickly knocked off. I am really upset because I was always told that if I got my bottom teeth fixed then they would NOT knock off the bonding and all would be well, but I guess it is not to be.

Also, my back teeth are still not touching at all. My lower front teeth are considerably arched and the left front teeth are the only ones in my mouth that are hitting (and it has been this way for at least 15 weeks!!). This has not yet been addressed by my dentist or Invisalign. I am hoping that by not wearing a top tray during the day that my back teeth will come back down a bit but I just don't know.

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January 5, 2015

I empathize :(.  

From my experience, not wearing the top tray really helps with allowing the teeth to extrude in the back, so that might do the trick for you.  It worked for me.  I'm just not sure why they are allowing you to not wear the top tray during the day at this point.  Usually one would be in 24-7 retainers for a period of months post-treatment, to ensure a solid set.  I didn't do this, because of the extrusion problem, but my teeth also tended to shift a lot during the day, so it was uncomfortable putting the retainers back on at night.  My results are still good, but I wear my retainers religiously every day for at least 8 hours a day and it's nearly 3 years post for me.

You might want to contact a cosmetic dentist after your treatment to see if they feel differently about bonding that front tooth.  I guess it might also be possible for you to insist, and then see whether it comes off.  But if they prep your tooth for the bonding, it'll look worse when the bonding comes off and, frankly, the chip is hardly noticeable now (I didn't notice it when I looked at your teeth before reading your update.)  One would hate to make that worse.

As far as 30 aligners, I don't think that's too crazy, for what you were dealing with.  If you go look at my review, you can see how little I needed done, and that took just about 20 aligners.  I think the initial estimate of ten aligners was a bit...optimistic.  But your are really looking great, now! Once you've been in retainers a couple of years, all of this will fade and you'll just be thrilled with your smile :).  Which will last forever now, since you have retainers (as long as you keep replacing your retainers as needed.)  People's teeth who don't have retainers' will naturally shift with age.

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January 7, 2015
Hi! Yeah, I know I was totally surprised about not having to wear the retainer 24/7, I was sure they told me that when I started! I asked about it twice to be sure I was understanding them but she assured me it was true. I did some internet research (which we know is always accurate and is never completely made-up ) and I read that wearing the retainer 10 hours a day should be as effective as 24 so we shall see. I expect I will pop mine in whenever I'm home. The newest development however is that they decided I'd be best going with the old-style Hawley retainer, so I'm not that excited about wearing that one out if they change their minds about the 24 hours! But I am excited that it means I won't have plastic on my top back teeth at all and hopefully that will help them come back down. I'm glad to hear you don't really notice the chip! I am going to have my teeth bleached when it is all done and I'm hoping with a more even coloring perhaps it will be even less noticable. I don't want to screw up the tooth with multiple bonding attempts and whatnot if it's not that noticable. Right now I'm just waiting to hear from my dentist to come get the retainer. I can't believe the top is done, at least there's that!!
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January 7, 2015

I had a Hawley for a while to help with the extrusion as well.  I loved the way it looked, and preferred the way it felt to the way the Viveras felt.  I wore it all the time :D.  I had piercings in my face anyway so it all matched ;).  But I ended up having to go back to the Viveras because the Hawley allowed my teeth to shift ever-so-slightly and I hated the way the floss felt when my central incisors got too tight :(.  Hopefully they will work better for you :).  I'm extremely sensitive to any shifting in my teeth.

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January 7, 2015
Oh wow, I didn't realize that could be a problem with the Hawley. I guess I'll just have to see, were they able to just use your last impressions to make the new retainer?
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January 8, 2015

They took new impressions for the hawley.  For my Viveras they used the info on file.