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Please Advise: LeFort 1 Should Have Been Double Jaw Surgery; LeFort 1 "Revision" Caused Other Issues.

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Three years ago, I had an open bite and crossbite,...

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Three years ago, I had an open bite and crossbite, which had always caused problems in speech and made me a messy eater. I'm interested to know if any doctors can evaluate what the best way would be to proceed from here after these surgeries. I am 48.

My surgeon opted for LeFort 1 surgery without (as I learned later) doing sufficient scans, rotating my upper teeth downward to meet the lower and kind of keeping them back (sometimes I would jut out my lower jaw to relax those muscles that were kept in a strained-back position), even though my lower jaw had already been slightly recessive. The result was a VERY gummy, rat-tooth smile, as well as an increased philtrum length *look* because of the nose being pushed upward. The nostril was also slightly raised on one side, giving more of a sneering expression with the more prominent nostril show. I looked like the Grinch, or at the very best, like British actresses (Celia Imrie or Imelda Staunton) who capitalize on this look to play sprites and elves. My nose was also measurably wider (superimposing before and after photos) and showing more nostril. After a year of assuring me that healing/dropping tissue would fix the excess gum show, my surgeon agreed that it wouldn't, and offered to send away for 3-D scans (should have been done before the first surgery, apparently) in order to do a revised surgery to bring the upper teeth up about 3 mm. He said he would also do a genioplasty, moving part of the chin upward/forward to increase "lip competence"--otherwise, the lower jaw would keep the bottom lip back and it would be hard for me to close my lips. I consulted with another surgeon at this time, who advised me that this should have been a double-jaw surgery, bringing the lower jaw into symmetry and avoiding the rotation of my upper jaw (avoiding the nose issues). She said a double-jaw revision surgery, doing the double-jaw surgery, would involve braces again for up to 1.5 years. Since I had already done this braces-time for the first surgery, I was *hoping* the first surgeon's offer of a lessened braces-time as well as a more minor surgery (at a reduced price) would fix things sufficiently. A double-jaw surgery would have also been very costly, no longer covered at all by insurance. After consulting with friends, husband, relatives, even a third surgeon (that visit ended up being a little hurried, and he expressed understanding of both other surgeons' points of view), I hoped for the best and went apprehensively with the first surgeon's revision.

It has been a year since that second surgery result is that yes, now I do not have the gummy, "rat-tooth" smile and weirdly lowered teeth, so that helps with the mouth-to-nose ratio. However, the chin is too prominent, pointy, and asymmetric, and, without the tooth support that a double-jaw surgery would have provided, my mouth suddenly has an elderly, "punched-in" look which it did not have a week prior to the surgery. My sister noticed this change immediately even while praising other aspects of the surgery. After a year, the lips are still rolled inward and the lips corners are severely turned downward, a look that even my 84-year-old mom does not have. Our 80-something neighbor also noticed the drastic change. The lips also pucker above and below as they try to meet from the protruding chin and nose positions. It is a witchy look, similar to Mrs. Bailey in "It's a Wonderful Life," when she doesn't have her dentures in and is refusing him at the door of her boarding house.

Additional complications from the surgeries include a blocked tear duct after the second surgery (runny, goopy eye, where I could push out pus at any time of day, now fixed with eye surgery), and scans examined by a specialized radiographer indicate that there has been severe bone loss in my upper next-to-front tooth since the surgeries. There is also numbness of the upper teeth and gums dating from the first surgery--this lack of sensation does not bother me, but does possibly indicate that the first surgery, done without proper scans, may have severed the upper front-row teeth from their nourishing bone and that I will lose at least one, or perhaps all, of those teeth.

I have consulted again with the "second opinion" surgery, who has graciously gone through all my records and scans and found that the asymmetry in my chin is in fact visible in an (x-ray? ultrasound?) scan--the chin has been attached askew, and instead of using plates, long screws were used. These are extremely hard to remove as bone grows around them. As this sweet surgeon consulted with other doctors, another offered to remove them with her in a revision surgery, but this is no longer advised because of the bone loss. Larger screws seem to have been used throughout, and I can feel the ones by my affected eye with a finger touch. Scans also report severe sinusitis and air in the uninfected tear duct, neither of which feel different from my previous normal so far.

A dentist has advised me against further orthodontia because of the severe bone loss visible in the scans. The "second opinion" surgeon, who has been so kind and thorough in helping me understand what has produced these results, also felt she could not do much at this point. Some chin contouring was a possible option she brought up, but said this would be kind of "winging it." She suggested I talk to a plastic surgeon about nose surgery and lip filler options. However, after going through my charts more thoroughly, she is more alarmed about the lack of pre-surgical scans and the possibility of my losing my front row of teeth along with some of these invisible complications. I am scheduling appointments with periodontists and other specialists now to address those issues, though the visible issues currently concern me more.

I am a busy mom of four children and never intended to make these appointments my life--I wanted to correct a functional problem in an aesthetically pleasing way, and instead have caused a myriad of other asethetic problems, surgeries and appointments, and may possibly lose the teeth I set out to save, $10K out of our pockets later.

Notes on the photos: my orthodontist was an angel and did the second round of braces/appointments absolutely for free. I am very pleased with my straighter, wider-smile teeth, and in the photos my smiling face looks really not bad, overall better than my "before" face (though with the thinner lips and turning corners still somewhat visible).
I never considered myself a shallow or looks-obsessed person (hence the lack of focused "before" photos!, but this has turned my face from rather kindly-looking to unhappy, sneering and elderly-looking. It has caused me many tears and made me shy of meeting up with old friends. My husband, who was so patient with the braces process and surgery recovery, is really ready for me to stop grieving and move on and wishes I'd never done anything. Please, if you have any knowledge or perspective on this, I would appreciate it.

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My rating below shows two stars for "answered my questions" because my initial surgeon took time to explain and answer questions. However, my initial concerns met with gently-put answers such as "we're talking about millimeters of difference" (even a one-millimeter gap between teeth would look huge), or delicately, "these are changes we see as we age" (even though they were immediately noticed after surgery by friends and family who are most familiar with my face), and even, "It has been well documented that patients often imagine changes that haven't occurred." He went out on a limb with this last one, and I knew he must really believe it and was trusting me to understand, but what doctors should realize in these cases is that changes that they do not see will still be noticed by those very familiar with the face. If Audrey Hepburn suddenly had lips rolled in or 3 mm more of gum showing, we would notice! She would probably look beautiful still, but a little less so, a little older. For those of us not blessed to look like Audrey, the shift from passable to ugly can be devastating.

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February 7, 2017
Hi, I had double jaw surgery in Korea. After all the swelling subsided, I too, got those down turned lip corners. When I chew I look like Granny who's taken her dentures out. I've had two separate face-lifting procedures to attempt to correct the issues. I wonder why your original surgeon opted to do only the top. I wonder if it is because he was not specially trained in cutting bottom jaw bone. In countries where they're doing a lot of these surgeries, people are dying left and right because these untrained, unskilled, unqualified doctors are just cutting away through major vessels in the lower jaw. Scary stuff. I feel so lucky to be alive.
February 15, 2017
Hello! Am planning to go to Korea for double jaw surgery revision.Could you please let me know the hospital you went?
February 19, 2017
Loads of horror story from double jaw surgery in Korea, try and get it done in your own country so you can go back to them if there are problems. What country are you from?
March 15, 2017
Thank you for reading and for your comments. I've seen your profile and have been interested in your story. To answer your question about why my surgeon opted only to do the top, I think maybe he felt based on my age that this was the least-invasive approach. I tend to think he was a little too sure of himself as he neglected to do the full 3-D scans before the initial surgery and only presented that option once it was clear the first surgery hadn't been successful. Later he defended himself by saying that in his practice he focuses more on the functional problems rather than aesthetic, but I feel this is a faulty defense, as aesthetics should always be considered in any facial surgery. I tend to think his choices were based on some cockiness on his part, though at least one dentist commended the interior work he has done on other patients he's seen.
March 15, 2017
I agree with this comment!
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February 8, 2017

Thanks for sharing your experience. We hope you find support in the community.

February 10, 2017
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February 20, 2017
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February 20, 2017
Yeah I thought so too till I checked spam for their request of pictures! Be sure you send pictures I think
March 15, 2017
Thank you both for your suggestions/warnings. I'm looking into the site.
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November 19, 2017
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February 13, 2017
I had double jaw surgery. braces 3 times, and had teeth pulled. I originally had an open bite, but a great smile. Now, although I look "normal", I never get complimented on my smile. What I've learned the very heard way is you shouldn't mess with mother nature. Braces only once in life, and if you have a narrow jaw, get it widened with orthodontia in adolescence. I would never volunteer for reconstruction surgery unless absolutely necessary. It's possible to gain an aesthetically pleasing look post-surgery, but be very unhappy because you elected to "ruin" what God gave you. Sounds weird, but it's true. If you are currently functional, I would just stop with any further pursuit of perfection, it's an empty well of pain and suffering.
February 20, 2017
I think its not about a pursuit of perfection: she's trying to get back what is taking from her. But I agree: don't get this surgery unless absolutely necessary.
March 15, 2017
Thank you both for your experiences and comments. Yes, I really wasn't looking to alter my look, just to correct a functional problem and then to get back what I lost. But I would issue strong warnings to others based on my experience. Often a natural look, though irregular, is best. Thank you both for your interest.
April 24, 2017
I thought a lot about your comment these past months. "..but I had a great smile".
I feel the pain, so sorry for you. They should consider also these 'weak parts',as my surgion calls them, before the operation. But there change is more unpredictable. In my case they were predictable, but I learned that only recently. I hope you can restore your great smile from the inside out. I'll tell your story further, because it's a important warning for anyone considering this operation (and professionals too).
February 20, 2017

Thank you for your shared story! I can relate to your problems. I want to share, ask questions (I'm also still in the process: double jaw surgery 3,5 years ago, second correction surgery 3 years ago). Identical nose & lip problems caused by a large rotation of both jaws. Functional problems because of that. No feeling in front teeth etc. Changed face (no improvement!!) many tears and anger. I think you look beautiful and I think you are like me and trying to make the best of it. But when there 's no closure, it takes all energy. Did you get any comments from professionals? greetings, Senta

March 15, 2017
Hi Senta, Thank you so much for your empathy and compliments and for sharing your similar experience. I didn't see any photos or posts from you on this site, so I'm assuming you're keeping those private for now. I agree that when there's no closure, it takes all energy. I haven't received any comments from professionals on the site yet and wonder if I need to post somewhere else on the site. What steps are you considering at this point? The second-opinion surgeon, who has been so helpful, said at this point probably the only options are nose surgery to narrow the nose & lower the nostril show, and injectable fillers to raise the lips and reduce the sudden puckers. My sister is a dermatologist, so she did the fillers for me, and it has helped a lot, though the corners of my mouth still turn down. I'd love to hear and/or see more of your story. I feel like there are probably many surgeons who are not looking at all the aesthetic effects. Anyway, thank you so much for your kind words, and best wishes in this journey!
April 24, 2017
The nose surgery is an option. The upper lip can also be lifted in this surgery.
Maybe you should consult another surgeon just to be sure the jaw/chin correction is not an option anymore. Maybe botox can add something (mouth corners)?
April 24, 2017
also take care of your teeth! can you explain WHY you can lose those front teeth? What is the indication? I also lost feeling in the front teeth and upper lip.