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Closing all these gaps, finally! - Madison, WI

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I was born with alot of diastemas. Our family was...

Jannstar
WORTH IT$7,000
I was born with alot of diastemas. Our family was big (5 kids) and poor. We barely went to the dentist. I expressed desire to get braces as a young teen but alas it was purely cosmetic so my parents didn't let me. Burn! So, I lived my youth and into adulthood hating my gaps when apparently everyone else seemed to think they were "cute" or " mysterious". "Setting me apart from the rest". I never agreed.
I didn't make much of myself financially and married for love not money which means no extras. 3 kids and a decade later I've decided to just do something for myself for once and perhaps turn my dream of loving to smile into a reality.
So, 5 years ago I got one of my few molars pulled due to it having a cavity and being baby tooth. After that I went to place offering free consultations for Invisalign. Not orthos, regular dentists, not my own regular dentist who doesn't do that stuff. I was told that it'd be 9 months, $5,000 and they'd leave little spaces between each tooth instead of large ones since I have few molars and alot of space. I decided against it.

So now I'm revisiting the idea but this time with a board certified orthodontist. This is what he told me at the free consultation last week:
4mm diastema, low frenulum, moderate spacing between other teeth, pulled molar and only 3 (12 yr) molars, no wisdoms.
Disproportionate big jaw/small teeth.
Mild overbite, mild overjet, misaligned midlines, perfect bite.
So.... he said I could do invisalign or traditional braces. My teeth are all straight, no crowding, no crooked, easy. However.......... since I have a lot of space to close my molars would be moved alot as well to keep the bite, creating more space in back. His concern was that when I would smile, there would be dark shadows in the corners ( cheeks) of my mouth, since I am missing the usual molars. I am getting an implant eventually for the missing one on bottom that was pulled, later. Anyways, he then thought I could do braces then bonding or veneers to build up the teeth to minimize dark shadows in corners. He is worried I'd go through it all just to end up not liking how my new smile would look. He thinks it will look too narrow for my jaw and face. Thus the bonding idea. So he suggested coming in for an xray/ virtual imaging of how I'd look with my "new" teeth before deciding. And suggested seeing a cosmetic dentist to get perspective before the course of braces are determined.

So, it all seemed complicated and overwhelming. As if he didn't want to do it because ny teeth are super healthy and my bite and functioning are all perfect. It seemed like he wanted me to explore every nook and cranny of options before starting braces. He is one of the best in my area and I know what he means but I feel annoyed that it has to be so complicated. I told him that I think I'd be ok with a " narrow smile" and not to cosmetic work. He said to think about it and explore my options. Jeeeez, I didn't think my mouth was that hard to fix up. Makes me lose hope. I just want ceramic braces (not invislign). I am planning on doing that xray/ computer mock up ($320) to see how I could look. I'm nervous now!

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March 21, 2014
Great to see your review, finally! :D

I think your doctor sounds extremely reasonable.  I know it can be frustrating when you just want to get started.  (Once I decided on Invisalign, I had to wait weeks for the trays to come in, and I was so upset about it.)  But I think the mock-up will be extremely valuable, if only so you have some idea what you'll look like at the end.  Most of us don't get that chance--though you have to pay the big money for it :-/.

I'm guessing that you can't afford the veneer option (I know I couldn't!) because it would be thousands of dollars (between $1k-$2k per tooth).  However, it would take care of all of those issues and it'd be over in a matter of weeks.
March 21, 2014
Thanks for your input, it means alot! Yeah the comprehensive xray is $320 and they said it needs to be done before treatment anyways so if i do it it'll go towards treatment if i decide to do that. I also can just take my xray and files to a different place if i want because they said i own them. Very cool. No way can I afford veneers nor want them. I don't even want bonding! I like imperfect teeth, just not a lot of gaps. :-)
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March 21, 2014
Oh, I do hope you can post the mock-up!  That's so exciting :).  And that's great that you can take the xrays elsewhere.  It sounds to me like these people are really legit!
March 22, 2014
Totally! I'll update my progress as it happens! :-)
March 24, 2014
It sounds like your doctor just wants you to be sure before paying thousands of $$s. I'm curious though, since your teeth are straight, did you research Lumineers? It seems they are similar to Veneers in that they go over the tooth, but they are better because you don't have to grind down the tooth to apply the Lumineers.
March 24, 2014
I've never researched veneers, lumineers or bonding because i like my teeth, and i want a genuine smile, not a fake one, i just don't want gaps. Blah!
March 24, 2014
I see your point. I appreciate real teeth too. I'm just so impatient. I considered lumineers because they take waaaaaay less time than braces or veneers, but I was not a candidate because of my crossbite. Then I considered invisalign, but knew I couldn't live without my constant coffee fix. Anyway, can't wait for you to start your journey. I get my braces done in 2days and I can't wait :). Good luck to you.
March 26, 2014
I'm excited to get more answers . I'll be calling today to schedule my xray. Get this ball rolling! Btw, be careful about drinking coffee with ceramic braces, i hear the stain!
April 22, 2014
I agree with your stance on not wanting fake teeth. I am 32 years old and have had lumineers for 9 years. I've had lots of drama with these things (they fall off every year or so) and all I wanted to do was close gaps in my teeth. I was too lazy then to get braces and opted for the quick fix. Now, after nine years I am desperately trying to have these removed so that I can get braces. Yes, I am getting the lumineers removed. A few have fallen off naturally and thankfully my teeth still look fixable underneath. So I've had several consults and have chosen an orthodontist/dentist that will remove the four remaining lumineers so that I can start the braces. They said 24 months of having them on, but I believe it will be much shorter than that. I'm excited to work with my natural teeth and I have learned my lesson. Good luck with your braces journey!
April 24, 2014
Wow! That's craziness! Sorry you have had a bad experience. I hope it all works out with the braces!
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April 24, 2014
How are things going? :)  I just wanted to check in and introduce you to a new Invisaligner.  She is called MissSmiley04 and has spacing issues that reminded me of you :).
April 24, 2014
Thank you! Well, I went in for my xrays, photos and impressions. I chose to skip the invisalign impressions because after a month or more of research and soul searching I just didn't like the idea of that. I would prefer ceramic/metal braces. They have Damon braces there. So I won't get that clincheck thing to show what my teeth will look like. Oh well. I go back on May 6th to talk with the ortho to find out what he can come up with for me. Then I'll decide if it's what I want. I'll update my status then for sure!
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April 24, 2014
Sweet!  My husband loved his Damon braces.  But a great doctor can do amazing things with any good tool :D.  Can't wait for the update!!!
April 24, 2014
Good to know! Did he have clear or metal? Or both? Here,they will do clear on top and metal on bottom. That is their standard approach for damon for adults. I'll be in touch! :)
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April 25, 2014
My husband had all metal, but his teeth were so awful, it hardly mattered.  It was just wonderful to know he was working on fixing them.  He was able to avoid jaw surgery and expanders and the whole 9 yards.
April 25, 2014
That's so great for him!
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May 16, 2014
It's been months since you updated your review!  Let us know what's going on :D!  You're answering questions but people who see your review don't know any of the other details, like the Damon thing and all.  Are you still going to be doing Damon, by the way?  Because then I'll move you to Damon.
May 16, 2014
Ok... well, there isn't much to say that's why I've been waiting. But i can do a quick update. :-)
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May 16, 2014
I think people prefer the short updates to the long, drawn-out ones I give anyway ;).  But mainly, I'm hoping everything is okay, since I'd expected you to get a date by now….
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May 17, 2014
Thank you for the update!  That explains a lot.  Glad to hear the hold-up is not financial :).  I know it's very common to have non-clear on the bottom, but I don't know if it's common to use non-Damon on the bottom.  Have you looked at some of the Q&As about Damon, by the way?  I found a really interesting one here.
May 18, 2017
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UPDATED FROM Jannstar
2 months pre

Baby Steps to the Ortho

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Hello all you lovely people! So, since I've written, I have gone back to the ortho to get the x rays and impressions. I chatted with the assistant and I decided to not get impressions for the invisalign. I just don't want them nor like the idea of trays. I don't like the idea of me being in charge! Haha... So, we discussed damon braces with SureSmile. They will do clear damon on top with traditional non-damon metal on bottom. (I think that's weird they wouldn't do metal damon on bottom.) So I had my follow up scheduled but they called me later and said that they needed to have me go to my regular dentist for a check up for the OK to do orthodontic work before I meet with Dr. Bird about my treatment plan. So I went to my dentist this past Monday, got an excellent report! No cavities, excellent bone/gum health. My dentist was excited for me about possibly getting braces. So it was encouraging! So now I need to call the ortho to schedule my follow up. I haven't decided to do anything yet officially because I'm worried that he will tell me my teeth are too spaced. I definitely have decided to not do bonding or veneers. So I hope what Dr. Bird offers me for a treatment plan works with that choice! I'll let you know soon!!!! :-)

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November 17, 2015
I have a lot of spaces between my teeth. I've had braces for 6months . 6 more months to go. My spaces are closing slowly. I ortho suggested for me to get the medal braces for my spaces!! Best of luck!! Let me know how it goes!!
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1 month pre

It's official! Braces in July!

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I went to the ortho yesterday for the follow up after my impressions. I was super nervous that he was going to tell me that my spaces couldn't be fully closed and wouldn't work and that I'd need bonding or veneers, too. So I thought if he said that then I would suggest leaving a gap only in the middle. I even brought pictures of models with a small gap for reference.
However, he didn't say any of that! He said that because of my lack of molars,and my "perfect lip profile", he doesn't want to pull my front teeth back for fear of making my lips roll in too much which in my case wouldn't look right. He also said that he will create a very small tooth sized space between the two premolars on the top on both sides in back, in order to move my teeth towards the front. I have so much space and a wide arch with not enough teeth, so this was the only way we could make it work. Also, that way I can choose to put implants there some day but I don't need to for a long time. I also don't need a frenectomy! Yay! The bottom arch he said is a no brainer and he'll leave the missing tooth open for an implant there, too.
So, my first braces app for the impressions is on July 3. I get my actual braces on July 17!
I'm still waiting to hear back from them about the exact appliance that he will be using. However, I know we'll be using ceramic "damon-like" braces on top. Not sure what the bottom will be yet. The assistant told me most ppl don't care or ask because they've not done as much research as me, haha!!! :-)
I'm so excited!!!!

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June 5, 2014
Congratulations!!!!!  I'm not entirely sure where all the spaces are going to be, but I'm happy to hear how excited you are about it, and also really glad to hear that he won't pull your teeth backward too much.  Were you actually considering getting implants or was that just what the doctor said to give you some options?  They're a little expensive I know :).

I'm so excited!  I wonder if I should put you back in regular braces if you're getting self-ligating but not Damon brand.  I'll have to look into that.
June 6, 2014
Thank you! I will let you know what they say. Yes I think they said GNC makes these braces. So, my top 8 teeth in front will be all closed, then next to those on each side will have a space, then the rest of my teeth will be after that. Only on top. (hope that makes sense). The implants are sort of his idea... except for the one I need on the bottom from when I had a baby tooth pulled. I have always wanted an implant there. It will cost $3,000. So I'll have to do it later in life. These braces are gonna cost alot! I am doing a $1000 down payment with a 24 month payment plan of $237.50/month. Not too bad!
June 6, 2014
oops, sorry i mean GAC is the company who makes them. http://www.gacintl.com/categories/in-ovationsup-sup-system.cfm
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June 7, 2014
Yeah, implants are not cheap, and they're not covered by insurance either :(.  

So you'll have up through your first premolars before the space starts.  That sounds like what a lot of people do with veneers when they can afford it.  The first 8 teeth.  When I do the math, I get $6700.  Is that your new price and should I update it for you? :)  Better than $7k!
June 7, 2014
I just hope the gaps after those 1st premolars aren't very noticeable. But honestly, after living with several gaps in front, i can handle it. So, my actual braces are $6700. I already paid $320 on top of that for the xray/ impressions app so I put $7000 originally because if you add those together it's $7020. I just rounded.
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June 7, 2014
Ohhhh.  Okay, fair enough :).  I think in that case it is better to leave it, since most places wouldn't give you a separate bill for the x-ray but you'd still end up paying for it.  Thanks :)