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Reduction rhinoplasty by Dr. Denenberg (Warning Graphic Images)

UPDATED FROM bobinhood
4 years post

Strange changes to nose over time

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Just wanted to show how the nose changes over time after rhinoplasty. I don’t think it looked like this several years ago, but maybe I’m just noticing it? And it also changes day-to-day with swelling. This photo was taken January 18 and you can see irregularities in my nose now that it’s getting closer to the 5 year mark. Hopefully it doesn’t keep “warping” as I’d call it, or I might have to get filler in the bridge. I’ve always had that bony part sticking out on that side but it seems a bit more pronounced especially because there is now a decent sized indent in the bridge beneath it.

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February 20, 2019
Does it feel different or just look different to you? I have read of noses changing over time after surgery. I hope it doesn't keep changing. It looks good now.
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February 20, 2019
Thank you. I can kinda feel the irregularities if I run my finger long it and my breathing does seem to be a bit worse (or maybe I’m just noticing it more, not sure). I often wake up with one nostril totally blocked and I can’t breathe out of it, and I also had an ENT I shadowed look inside my nose and he said I have some sort of accordion deformity that happens when you over reduce a nose in projection and length and it makes the septum fold inward and go crooked or something like that.
February 21, 2019
Oh no! Are you planning to have a revision?
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February 21, 2019
Hopefully I won’t need one! I’m not planning on it but if the dent gets worse I might have filler put in it at some point.
September 21, 2019
Don’t have surgery again. Your nose looks amazing.
September 29, 2019
Dear bobinhood,
If your septum is not straight, you can have your ENT straighten it. It should be covered by health insurance. However, insurance may not provide coverage due to rhinoplasty causing the unevenness of your septum. Also, you might need turbinate reduction. All of that should help you breathe better through your nose. Thanks.
February 21, 2019
Well, you look great. I think your nose looks amazing.
April 14, 2019
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April 15, 2019
I don’t think it’s your call to tell me when I am “done” here. I think people should know that the nose continues to change years after rhinoplasty, and these may not always be good changes. I am not fishing for compliments. I am concerned that my nose may continue changing in a bad way and I already had an ENT look inside my nose and he said my septum seemed to have an accordion deformity from my nose being reduced so much and I often can only breathe out of one side of my nose when I wake up in the middle of the night or in the morning. This site is also not for only posting horror stories and serious deformities. People with good outcomes post here too.
April 15, 2019
I realize that this site is not for just posting horror stories and deformities. My point was that many in here would be extremely pleased to have the outcome you have in regards to the physical shape of your nose after one surgery. Many patients have to go in for 2, sometimes 3 revisions in order to have a nose that doesn’t have a serious deformity or massively constrictive breathing problem. I understand you are trying to discuss how the nose changes. But its honestly just changing in your eyes. If you didn’t circle the areas you seem to have concern with then 99% of people would not know what to even look for. I myself had to go back and get a very costly revision due to severe breathing physical deformity issues with my first surgery. I’m very happy with the outcome of it but going through the entire process again was painful and difficult.

You are right though, its not my place to tell you you are done and I apologize for that. At some point in your life though you have to stop asking people to look for something wrong with your face instead of accepting the result that you got. Your nose wasn’t in your eyes perfect before the surgery, so you made a brave choice to make it better. No plastic surgery is ever 100% perfect there comes a time when instead of posting pictures of yourself and circling what you think are issues, you move on with your life and stop asking others if they seem the same things that you see, which you know that they wouldn’t so you have to circle the area to look for.

Again, just my opinion but I’ve read a lot of your posts and I know there are other people in here who feel the same. I won’t bother you again either way I just thought I’d comment after reading through everything you’ve posted and I meant no ill will towards you.
April 15, 2019
Dalton35, will you tell us who fixed your botch? That would be really helpful.
September 29, 2019
Agreed with Dalton 100%
April 30, 2019
I’m just a rando who came on here ages ago to look at cool sculpting and has never posted a comment before. But I saw your review and got sucked into the story, and I’m sitting here over breakfast trying not to cry. You are such a beautiful young woman and I know very well the feeling of scrutinizing your feature and finding everything wrong with them. I am 42 and I hated the way I looked for most of that. I’m not going to tell you to stop scrutinizing but I am going to tell you that that dude who sent you those nasty texts can eff right off. When I was 22 a guy asked me if i was pregs because of my little pooch and I never got over it (hence the cool sculpting). PLEASE ignore that idiot. I don’t really have much to offer but some virtual love and support and understanding and 1 small piece of advice, which you can take or leave: I spent much of my life obsessing over my face and body. Now I look back at pix of myself at 25 and think how much cuter i was than I realized. I’m not trying to belittle your concerns AT ALL. I just want to gently remind you not to let this color your whole life. You are very lovely and I think your new nose is fantastic. xo
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April 30, 2019
Thank you so much. That really means a lot to me. You are right—my mom says he same thing: she’ll complain about not being as thin as he used to be or wants to be and always thought of herself as an ugly duckling, but then she’ll look back at pictures from even just five years ago and think “Why was I so hard on myself? When I was 140 lbs I complained about my weight and now I’m 155 and would give anything to just be 140 again” and things like that. And realizing that she really did look pretty good when she was young but she never thought she did because her family very mean to her. He sisters all thought they were the best looking. One of her sisters said I he once “Your pretty too, (insert mom’s name), just in a less obvious way.” They were awful to her. She was very thin when she got married but she always told me she was never skinny and “I never had a flat stomach”. It makes me really sad.
September 13, 2019
I think your nose looks fantastic. After one to two years post op there will literally be no changes unless it’s your own body. I give props to your surgeon for doing such beautiful work.
UPDATED FROM bobinhood
4 years post

Reached the 4 year mark today

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Today officially marks 4 years since my surgery. I apologize, I don’t get on this site very much so I may not have seen or responded to comments.
I’m definitely more used to my nose than I was the day the cast came off or even the first year or two after surgery but there are still some things I don’t like but I try not to think about those things and just enjoy life.
I think I continue to see more refinement as time goes on, but I do still have that persistent fullness in the supratip (although it’s probably slightly better than the first year). My nose is less squishy than it was then, so either the swelling is going down or it’s turning into scar tissue.
You can still see the scar at the base of my nose (it was an open surgery). I guess most people wouldn’t notice it and I don’t really care that much but sometimes I wish it could have been a closed surgery (but then I wonder how much different the result would have been since you can’t see/access the tip cartilages as well as with open surgery).
Something I’ve been doing the past year or so is wearing lip liner and maybe ever-so-slightly over lining my lips to help them look a little fuller. I feel ugly without it and think my lips look way thinner and my upper lip looks longer without it.
It does seem that my tooth show is a little bit better than it was the first year or two but it’s still not completely what it used to be I don’t think. My upper lip moved differently when I had a tension nose so I don’t expect it to ever come back and be like it used to be.
My sister says I for sure look better after surgery and that I was pretty before but now I look like a Victoria’s Secret model (I disagree and I think she’s just being a nice big sister, but either way she doesn’t think I made a mistake that made me look worse or anything like that). My dad also is confident that I look better now and he doesn’t think my nose looks too small either. I guess my mom agrees. Not sure about the rest of my family. And no one else sees the tooth show thing that I see.
I think in many ways the surgery was good for me because I used to never smile because I hated how my nose looked when I did. And I felt like a new person after surgery and felt more confident (because I thought it would improve with time and my nose would look better and my tooth show would come back).
But when the one year mark hit, and then two years and three years, and I still didn’t like it, I got pretty depressed about it and was really self conscious and it made me question if I still wanted to be a plastic surgeon and it affected my schoolwork, and personal relationships too because I was too self conscious about my lips to want to kiss anyone and my confidence/self-esteem was down from other things that happened to me personally that I won’t get into here, and I felt like having that surgery made me lose a part of me and it’s hard to explain. Before surgery I had a strong nose and after surgery I had this wimpy, tiny little nose and I didn’t feel like myself anymore and felt like a “weaker” person, sort of, and I lacked confidence and kinda let people walk all over me (particularly guys) because my self esteem was gone (and not just because of the surgery) but I feel like some of those things that happened to me probably wouldn’t have if I hadn’t had that surgery (which I know sounds crazy).
Instagram was also quite therapeutic for coming to terms with my surgery. I was too self conscious about my result and felt too unattractive in photos after surgery to post on social media and also worried people would realize I didn’t look like myself anymore. But a year or so ago I started using instagram and posting photos and people were always so kind there and left nice comments saying how pretty I was and maybe they were just saying it to be nice, but on some level it helped me feel better about my result since I didn’t like it but other people still seemed to think I looked okay after surgery, even though I didn’t think so.
Anyway, just thought I’d give an update at the 4-year mark and let you guys know how I’ve been feeling about the result and what the process has been like for me. I want people to understand that plastic surgery IS a big deal and it can be life changing—good or bad, and sometimes in between—and it definitely requires patience and getting used to the result. I hope the supratip fullness goes down as time goes on and that I don’t start to develop deformities or collapse.
One thing I can say with certainty is that I don’t think there are many other doctors out there that can do the nasal tip work that Denenberg does. Most doctors can’t refine a bulbous tip like he can, and although I may think my septum was shortened a bit too much or that my nose was deprojected too much, I’ll admit he definitely improved my bulbous tip better than any other doctor could (in my opinion) and that’s a big reason why I chose him, and I’ll also agree that I had a very difficult nose to work with. It definitely wasn’t just a simple hump removal. The whole structure of my nose needed changing essentially. I wanted an entirely different tip, and I definitely got that, along with other things like a narrower bridge and hump removal. It also definitely made my eyes more of the focus of my face instead of my nose, and made them look bigger. That’s one of the main things my dad noticed, too.

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July 22, 2018
happy you getting over it.
you look so much better than before x
July 24, 2018
I am happy that you came back to post and now are feeling better about your new nose. I really feel you look great. We all appreciate you sharing about the shock and adjusting to your new nose and how the swelling going down changes things. I agree with your sister's comment that you now look like a model and your nose looks natural.
July 23, 2018
Thank you for taking the time to update.
As you can imagine, a lot of people here have really come to care about you which is why this thread has been going on for so long. So glad you are coming around to accepting your new look and seeing what 99.9% of the people here see: a beautiful young girl with amazing surgery results.
July 23, 2018
I agree with your sister that you look like a model for sure! You definitely did not make a mistake! Your nose actually looks very natural and not small and plastic at all! I understand I went through that same doubt after I fixed my nose, but everyone reassures me that it looks so much better!!! It's normal and it is an emotional roller coaster the first year for sure! I thank my doctor for warning me of that! It makes you stronger!
July 24, 2018
So I really like your results and think you look great, BUT I totally get the shock/difficulty of adjusting to a rhinoplasty. Even though I am happy with my decision to go through with getting mine, I do find that it takes some adjusting to my nose now being smaller. I think my doctor did a pretty good job of taking down the hump/deprojecting while keeping me looking like myself, but it can be tough adjusting and sometimes I see a picture and it can be weird because it’s so much smaller. You’ve gone the majority of your life seeing yourself with another nose, so it’s not that unusual to be uncomfortable seeing yourself now (because it’s still kind of unfamiliar to what you’re used to seeing).
August 10, 2018
You’re so pretty Bobinhood, just be so careful !
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3 years post

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March 24, 2018
I don't see any change to her lips only different nose(better)
March 24, 2018
Of course there is a change to her upper lip. It is pulled up and forward by the increase in length and projection. It is a huge différence.
March 24, 2018
I totally get elaw’s perspective here. It is a change one must pay attention to detail to notice. It is not a drastic change but a subtle one. Not everyone will study the images just as they wouldn’t in real life. Elaw’s way of looking at things adds a rich perspective to also be considered. We are all similar, but not exactly the same. I feel that elaw’s way of viewing this is how most of the world sees too.
March 24, 2018
Of course you can see the difference. She has a heavier nasiolabial angle. Her columella has been brought out, that’s why she looks more feminine! Philtrum is not flattened anymore.
March 24, 2018
I actually see completely different picture.in my opinion her lip after is more flat than before but it doesn't make her look less attractive .I think she looks better after surgery because her nose looks better
March 30, 2018
Hahaha.
March 30, 2018
so you think her upper lip is shorter after surgery?
March 24, 2018
I do see a subtle change in her upper lip as well has her nasal labial fold, cheek and jaw line. In her case though I find it to be an improvement. Her change isn’t drastic however. It’s subtle. It’s something most people would never notice. Without the imagery present for most people it would go unnoticed. By this I mean if this was a neighbor and you saw her on the street before and then saw her in the street after it’s likely to go completely unnamed why she likes a little different. I don’t know what everyone else thinks, it my personal opinion for this specific case is her upper lip looks more attractive after surgery. That’s not my feeling for every upper lip drop, just hers.
March 24, 2018
i would like to see her from front maybe I would see the difference but I wouldnt at the moment call this huge difference if I cant see it
huge difference is something obvious like lenght of her nose
March 24, 2018
March 30, 2018
do you think her upper lip after surgery is longer or shorter ?
in my opinion is longer
March 30, 2018
I’m not sure if you are asking Bobin or I this question, but for me it’s not a linger or shorter lip. It could shorter or longer, but the angles in the pictures don’t allow us to really see. However, the rhinoplasty allows the upper lip to drop. Not drastically, by enough that it changed the overly full upper lip to just full and it looks better. Also the space between her upper lip and nose had a meaty fullness prior to surgery and as some tension realeased it eliminated her overly plump appearance in that area, which I quite like the outcome of. In this specific case the drop enhanced her features for the better. Sometimes upper lip drops cane be dramatic and create and aged masculine appearance, which is the polar opposite of this. Most people that have tension, projection or significant reduction done to the nose often have a drop. Most of the time the drop is small and doesn’t make major changes, but there are numerous changes where surgeons didn’t plan for this appropriately or lacked skill and drastic changes for the worst happens.
March 31, 2018
I asked you ,because person below(pixiedust 24 )was laughing on my suggestion that woman on the photo lip looks longer after than before.
so it only proof that everybody see what they want to see
in my opinion is longer (but like you said it is difficult to say it in 100% because there is not photos from front) but it makes her look better
March 31, 2018
People shouldn’t be rude, because someone doesn’t agree with them 100%. Most people about most things don’t exactly see eye to eye and don’t have difficulty as adults handling their response to it appropriately. I’m sorry someone did this to you. For what it’s worth, most people on here and I include Bobin in this aren’t going to attack you or exhibit passive aggressive behaviors when you share your thoughts.

I believe Bobin posted the photos to share an example of the upper lip drop she’s been trying to showcase in photos of herself. This example that was given is to most of us an improvement both in the asthetics of the nose and her upper lip and I believe that’s what most people are going to end up commenting on. The girl in the photo has entirely different features so it will be hard for most to relate it to Bobin. Upon close examination though everyone will see the rhinoplasty changed the unknown girls facial features, which is what Bobin is hoping we will see about her own after photos. I did go back and scrutinize Bobin’s photos and I still don’t see these changes. I’m not saying I’m right, because things can look different in real life as opposed to photos. I do know this, Bobin has stated that she likes her gums to show. She’s stated this numerous times. I have never once noticed wether s persons gums show until following her review. I took a look around my city one day and most people have zero gum show when talking or resting. Most people also don’t have gum show when smiling, but I did notice some do, but not much. When Bobin posts photos she does have tooth show in a resting or talking position, which I also noticed not many people do. But Bobin’s lips are tiny and dainty. I realize it might sound like I’m a rambling on so I will cut to the chase. Bobin wants more tooth and gum show, which is very different than what most people would want, but we want what we want. I do not think the images provided of the girl above relates to Bobin’s outcome post surgery and it does not change my opinion of Bobin’s lips after surgery. It does however shine some light for anyone who hasn’t had a lip drop or doesn’t know what it is about what it can do to someone’s shape.

I realize I didn’t explain that well and this is certainly a mouthful. Sorry.
March 31, 2018
I agree with you
i know now what she means by tooth showing(it took me long time to understand what she talking about) but i actually never found this attractive so I think this change doesnt make boobin looks worse than before surgery
her nose looks definitelly better is not too small to her face actually accomplish her delicate beautiful face
I wish she could see waht we see
April 1, 2018
@fzb123 & elaw--
We see the nuances Bobin is talking about--they are a big deal to her, not so to most of us. She wants what she wants and she won't be happy, no matter what anyone says until she tries to get it again. I hope she is successful for her own sake.​ The beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, and in her case, she is the only beholder that counts.
April 1, 2018
btw...for what it's worth, teeth and gums showing is not particularly attractive to me because it reminds me of small rodents. That happens to be one of my own hang-ups that cannot be justified in any rational way. Different strokes​, I guess...
April 1, 2018
teeth and gums showing remind me my neighbour child who always has mouth open(some kind of orofacial disorder) they spend huge money to rid off this look and I seriously don't find it attractive that's why is so difficult for me understand what boobin miss in her look :-/.
April 1, 2018
I don’t see any extremes when I look at Bobin both before and after. Before Bobin had a very delicate looking face with a strong nose. After Bobin has a very delicate face and her nose matches. But I don’t see Bobin’s lips as being unattractive either before or after. I also don’t see a tooth show/gum show change. But I just want to reiterate that I don’t see anything that looks abnormal about her in any single image.
April 29, 2018
I have to agree. Have been getting updates on this for awhile. She looks great. Unrealistic expectations & reliance on morphs which can't ever be precisely achieved can really make some people focus on the negative. I truly don't see anything remarkably better in her before photos as far as lips. But in my opinion she was very plain with a nose that overpowered her face and now she's beautiful. That is not an over-reduced nose. But with additional surgeries it certainly could be. There is no perfect nose. There is no perfectly symmetrical face either. Great plastic surgery is not detectable, and that's what she has.
March 29, 2018
I think she looks better in the after pic.
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March 30, 2018
Me too
March 30, 2018
of course she looks better after surgery but her upper lip looks longer than before surgery
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March 30, 2018
I think I look worse overall after surgery :/
March 30, 2018
I don't think there's a single person who has chimed in so far thinks that you look worse. I most definitely do not. To my aesthetic sensibilities, you look much better. Of course, whose opinion matters most is yours and no one can say anything to shift you from what you obviously deeply feel...right?

There was a Twilight Zone episode years ago where a woman was getting cosmetic surgery to ostensibly look better and in the final reveal, we see that the surgery has not turned out well and she is devastated. When they unwrap the bandages she (still) looks beautiful while every single person around her including doctors and nurses, look shockingly ugly. You need to see it...very interesting.
March 30, 2018
You don't
You look so much better after than before
Maybe not like you wanted but definitely better
March 30, 2018
Bobin, you looked pretty before and pretty after. Your before and after noses look different and weight loss has changed your face too, but you still look like you. I would be able to identify you either way on the street.
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March 31, 2018
The weight loss really did not change my face much, it was 99% the result of the nose job. I have videos I took right before surgery and then ones right after surgery and my face looks completely different and I did not lose any weight. So it's not due to weight loss. It's not due to aging that I have a longer upper lip now than when I was 18. It's not due to aging that I now have less tooth show. This is all a DIRECT result of having my nose altered. It changed my face so much. Yes, certain aspects of my face still look like me for the most part I guess, but from the nose down it looks very different.
March 31, 2018
but in your first comment on this forum you said your own sister didnt noticed you had surgery unless she saw you from the side it clearly should tell you the change wasnt that dramatic like you see it
what your family thinking about it?does they think your beauty is ruined and you need another surgery?
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April 1, 2018
My sister was very unobservant that day. She had just gotten back from Africa and hadn’t seen me in a while and thought I just looked older, and I’m sure she was distracted and jet-lagged. I’m not sure what my family really thinks of my new look. It’s hard to get non-biased answers. My dad always says I look better after surgery and my mom says I look better now according to society’s standards I guess, but she thought I was beautiful before because she’s my mom. I think it took her longer to get used to the change though. But the last time I showed my dad the most recent morph I made, he didn’t say how I look now is better. So I think he actually agrees the morph I made looks better than what I actually have. And I think my brother and sister liked me better before surgery. I think my cousins too. Not sure though.
April 1, 2018
I have 20 years old daughter,she also had nose job.
i belive if your parents agreed with you ,you need a nose job in first place they really thought you will look better with new nose (and you do)
maybe you should talk heart to heart with your familly does they see your lips look unnatural- worse, does they think it is worth risk try fix this "issue"
my daughter orginal nose didnt match with her small face. I love her she was and is beautiful for me but I couldn't deny her nose was taking half of her beauty away .thats why I agreed for her surgerry(she didnt need my permission anyway she was an adult officially )and I support her fanancially
sadly her first surgerry was unsuccesful ,the bump come back shortly after surgery and her nose was smaller but still has bump, diffrent but it was still here.
even I knew the next surgery will be bigger risk again I cant deny the nose still looks no right
so again I support her and she went under knife with other surgeon
I'm telling you,if my daughter would come back to me with result like yours and still moan that she is not happy I wouldn't help her anymore because I think your surgery drasticlly upgrade your look and eventually risk overtaking gain frm next surgery
you think your sister,brother and cousin likes you more before surgery ...you think,but you don't know it,maybe it is time to talk about it ,with people who knows you in real life not with us strangers who dont see any shoking difference to your lips on photos.
i know you like the thooth showing but belive me you are more than average girl,you are very pretty and not teeth showing doesn't make you look less attractive
your teeth are enough exposed when you talking or smille it looks very natural
if I would be you I would try use filler to make your lips little bit bigger but I would touch the nose because I think it is nothing wrong with your new nose
please speak openly to your familly they know you best,ask about honest opinion what they think about your new look
April 1, 2018
I honestly understand that you probably just don’t feel like “you” and this is where all this stemming from, however it is a slippery slope and obviously the central focus of your life right now. I think you’re focusing on tiny details like your lip length and tooth show but these differences are so minor the could be measured in millimeters. Even though you are sad and unhappy about your appearance, I strongly suggest you move the focus away from what you look like and concentrate on other, more fulfilling things in your life. Book a revision if you must but then put this out of your mind and just deal with the revision surgery if and when you have it. Like every single thousand comment from people on this thread- you look great, your surgery looks like it was a success and your surgeon did a great job. The minor details you dislike, fix them if you MUST but stop talking about it and obsessing so much - you will be a much happier person for it. I’ve never seen so much activity on one thread and I’m blown away at how minutely picky you are over your appearance, but yes I get it if you don’t feel like you, and want to change that. Just give it a rest for a while, meditate, spend time with loved ones, do something you love. Best of luck with everything.
April 3, 2018
This obsession with your appearance has devolved to such an unhealthy level that its going to be very difficult to stop it from completely destroying you. That's the path your on. I know this isn't a psych forum but you don't seem to have anyone in your life concerned with your well-being. I hope you can somehow pull out of this sure path to destruction.
June 17, 2018
First let say that I'm not trying to insult you in any way. And the notifications on your case just keep on coming! You truly are obsessing. Morphs are guidelines, not guaranteed results. You can't select one as if choosing from a catalog. Skin and cartilage are unique to each patient and each surgery as is the way that your body heals. The surgeon does not know what he can or cannot do until he gets in there to do the surgery. That being said, your result is fabulous. You are gorgeous. Stop looking in the mirror and analyzing. Every subsequent surgery will be less of what you want, not more, because the surgeon is not starting from scratch. They are working with what has already been done. I know it's already been awhile since your surgery and you think you've lost something in the transition. But (and this is my opinion), you are a small girl who had a large unpretty nose. It was not streamlined or refined in any way. Now you have one that fits your face. Most people would be thrilled with your result. Just be careful what you do going forward. You will take this lovely result and make it into a disaster.
March 30, 2018
Wow, that's a GREAT "after" nose! So much so, that I don't even care about the subtle difference in the lips. I tend to look at the forest and usually do not get distracted by the trees. This is all very subjective. Look where Michael Jackson ended up in his quest to achieve whatever was in his mind. Cringe-worthy to me, but probably wonderful to him. Bottom line: If it floats your boat, then that's all that matters.